Questions about cousins
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Nick
Questions about cousins
Can you help settle an argument please?
What relationship are my children to the children of my 1st first cousin?
Are they second cousins?
Are what is the term "once removed" or "twice removed" referring to?
thanks
Nick
Sydney
What relationship are my children to the children of my 1st first cousin?
Are they second cousins?
Are what is the term "once removed" or "twice removed" referring to?
thanks
Nick
Sydney
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Gjest
Re: Questions about cousins
What relationship are my children to the
children of my 1st first cousin? Are they
second cousins?
Your children and your 1st cousin's children are second cousins.
First cousins have the same grandparents; 2nd cousins have the same
great-grandparents, and so on.
The closest ancestor(s) you have in common with your first cousin's
child is your grandparent(s). But your grandparent is the
great-grandparent of your first cousin's child.
You are one generation removed from that child, so you are the first
cousin once removed of that child.
This can sometimes be really confusing when you try to do it in your
head, especially when there is a large age discrepancy within a
generation which can lead you astray.
An example of what I call "generation overlap":
I just met some descendants of my first cousin. She has a 3-yr-old
granddaughter and a 3-yr-old great-granddaughter. Just looks like they
oughta be the same generation, but they're not...
Cuz's daughter is my 1st cousin once removed, the grand-daughter is my
1st cousin twice removed, and the great-granddaughter is my 1st cousin
3X removed.
Do a web search for something like "cousin explain" and you will get
numerous websites where you can explore this in great detail.
tootncmon
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CLV3
Re: Questions about cousins
"Nick" <nick@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4136d9ef$1@news1...
be 2nd cousins to your children.
Can you help settle an argument please?
What relationship are my children to the children of my 1st first cousin?
Are they second cousins?
Are what is the term "once removed" or "twice removed" referring to?
Technically they would be third cousins, I believe. Your first cousins would
be 2nd cousins to your children.
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Toni
Re: Questions about cousins
"Nick" <nick@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4136d9ef$1@news1...
Can you help settle an argument please?
What relationship are my children to the children of my 1st first
cousin?
Are they second cousins?
Are what is the term "once removed" or "twice removed" referring to?
"CLV3" <clvoyer3@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:5gNZc.8814$P46.4369@trndny03...
Technically they would be third cousins, I believe. Your first cousins
would
be 2nd cousins to your children.
Very sorry, but you are wrong CLV3.
Nick's children and his first cousin's children would be second cousins.
Nick would be first cousin once removed [1C1R] to his first cousin's
children. Nick's first cousin would be first cousin once removed to Nick's
children.
Grandchildren of Nick's and his first cousin would be [full] third cousins,
making those children [to Nick & his first cousin] first cousins twice
removed [1C2R].
My father & his first cousin Sylvia are still alive. Her girls & I are
second cousins and we are all grandparents now too. Our children are third
cousins and our grandchildren are fourth cousins. Those grandchildren are
first cousins three times removed to my father and Sylvia [1C3R]. My
second cousins' grandchildren are my second cousins twice removed [2C2R]. I
have another cousin, also related to Sylvia and her family, who is now a
great-grandfather ... so we are kind of *up* on relationships, as several of
us are into genealogy.
I don't have the URL handy, but there is a relationship chart somewhere in
the net. Perhaps someone has the correct URL and will post it.
Cheers ...
Toni ... Ontario.
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Steve Hayes
Re: Questions about cousins
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:36:49 GMT, "CLV3" <clvoyer3@verizon.net> wrote:
No, your children are second coursins to your first cousins' children.
Your children are first cousins once removed to your first cousins.
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Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/
"Nick" <nick@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4136d9ef$1@news1...
Can you help settle an argument please?
What relationship are my children to the children of my 1st first cousin?
Are they second cousins?
Are what is the term "once removed" or "twice removed" referring to?
Technically they would be third cousins, I believe. Your first cousins would
be 2nd cousins to your children.
No, your children are second coursins to your first cousins' children.
Your children are first cousins once removed to your first cousins.
--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/
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dps
Re: Questions about cousins
First cousins share grandparents.
Second cousins share great grandparents
Third cousins share 2great grandparents
etc. In other words, the cousin number is the length of the line to the
common ancestor (not counting yourself) minus one. (special case: zeroth
cousins are called siblings).
If the ancestry lines are of different lengths to the common ancestors,
the cousin number is the length of the shorter line (minus one) and the
"removed" number is the difference in the length of the lines.
Second cousins share great grandparents
Third cousins share 2great grandparents
etc. In other words, the cousin number is the length of the line to the
common ancestor (not counting yourself) minus one. (special case: zeroth
cousins are called siblings).
If the ancestry lines are of different lengths to the common ancestors,
the cousin number is the length of the shorter line (minus one) and the
"removed" number is the difference in the length of the lines.
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CLV3
Re: Questions about cousins
"CLV3" <clvoyer3@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:5gNZc.8814$P46.4369@trndny03...
Ok.... so I appear to be wrong.
Thanks for enlightening me. 
news:5gNZc.8814$P46.4369@trndny03...
"Nick" <nick@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4136d9ef$1@news1...
Can you help settle an argument please?
What relationship are my children to the children of my 1st first
cousin?
Are they second cousins?
Are what is the term "once removed" or "twice removed" referring to?
Technically they would be third cousins, I believe. Your first cousins
would
be 2nd cousins to your children.
Ok.... so I appear to be wrong.
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HilandCat
Re: Questions about cousins
Toni from Ontario posted:
Had just promised a co-worker I'd look this up for her. Thanks for the
reminder. <g>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~genepool/cousins.htm
Which comes from a list of helpful links:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~genepool/ogsaids.htm
Alicia
I don't have the URL handy, but there is a relationship chart
somewhere in the net. Perhaps someone has the
correct URL and will post it.
Had just promised a co-worker I'd look this up for her. Thanks for the
reminder. <g>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~genepool/cousins.htm
Which comes from a list of helpful links:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~genepool/ogsaids.htm
Alicia
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singhals
Re: Questions about cousins
HilandCat wrote:
In that event, you and your co-worker need to be told that the kinship
system that uses "removes" isn't the only valid kinship system in
Anglo-Saxon America. That one is known as the Canon or Common-law
system; there's another system known as the Civil Law system which is
radically different.
In the Civil Law system, your first cousin's child is your 2nd cousin,
not your first-cousin once removed.
NOTE TO OTHER GENEALOGISTS: don't bother flaming me. I know you
consider the Canon system more precise, I know it's the one
traditionally preferred, I know it's the one used in many old books.
None of that makes the fact that there is another system go away.
Cheryl
Toni from Ontario posted:
I don't have the URL handy, but there is a relationship chart
somewhere in the net. Perhaps someone has the
correct URL and will post it.
Had just promised a co-worker I'd look this up for her. Thanks for the
reminder. <g
http://www.rootsweb.com/~genepool/cousins.htm
Which comes from a list of helpful links:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~genepool/ogsaids.htm
Alicia
In that event, you and your co-worker need to be told that the kinship
system that uses "removes" isn't the only valid kinship system in
Anglo-Saxon America. That one is known as the Canon or Common-law
system; there's another system known as the Civil Law system which is
radically different.
In the Civil Law system, your first cousin's child is your 2nd cousin,
not your first-cousin once removed.
NOTE TO OTHER GENEALOGISTS: don't bother flaming me. I know you
consider the Canon system more precise, I know it's the one
traditionally preferred, I know it's the one used in many old books.
None of that makes the fact that there is another system go away.
Cheryl
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HilandCat
Re: Questions about cousins
In response to my post, Cheryl wrote:
Can't say "I stand corrected", since I don't believe I ever said that the
system I found was the only one out there (tho it was the one I was familiar
with), so how about "I stand educated".
For those of us who are interested in other ways of looking at things, would
you care to post your favorite link(s) to the system you prefer?
Alicia
In that event, you and your co-worker need to be told that the kinship
system that uses "removes" isn't the only valid kinship system in
Anglo-Saxon America. That one is known as the Canon or Common-law
system; there's another system known as the Civil Law system which is
radically different.
Can't say "I stand corrected", since I don't believe I ever said that the
system I found was the only one out there (tho it was the one I was familiar
with), so how about "I stand educated".
NOTE TO OTHER GENEALOGISTS: don't bother flaming me. I know
you consider the Canon system more precise, I know it's the one
traditionally preferred, I know it's the one used in many old books.
None of that makes the fact that there is another system go away.
For those of us who are interested in other ways of looking at things, would
you care to post your favorite link(s) to the system you prefer?
Alicia
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D. Stussy
Re: Questions about cousins
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Nick wrote:
Yes.
INEQUALITY in generations away from the common ancestor of the two people in
the cousin relationship.
E.g. "twice removed" means that one person is two generations further away from
the common ancestor than the other person in that relationship.
Can you help settle an argument please?
What relationship are my children to the children of my 1st first cousin?
Are they second cousins?
Yes.
Are what is the term "once removed" or "twice removed" referring to?
INEQUALITY in generations away from the common ancestor of the two people in
the cousin relationship.
E.g. "twice removed" means that one person is two generations further away from
the common ancestor than the other person in that relationship.
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Nearl J Icarus
Re: Questions about cousins
In article <4252-4136E43D-33@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>,
tootncmon@webtv.net says...
There is a fairly large age difference between my parents (almost 16 years).
Dad was 39 when I was born. My oldest cousin on my Dad's side is older than my
mother.
My girlfriend's grandkids are my third-cousin three times removed. Their
g-grandfather is the same generation as I am, and I'm 48. So, yeah, some of
those generations tend to slip a little.
tootncmon@webtv.net says...
An example of what I call "generation overlap":
I just met some descendants of my first cousin. She has a 3-yr-old
granddaughter and a 3-yr-old great-granddaughter. Just looks like they
oughta be the same generation, but they're not...
There is a fairly large age difference between my parents (almost 16 years).
Dad was 39 when I was born. My oldest cousin on my Dad's side is older than my
mother.
My girlfriend's grandkids are my third-cousin three times removed. Their
g-grandfather is the same generation as I am, and I'm 48. So, yeah, some of
those generations tend to slip a little.
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Nearl J Icarus
Re: Questions about cousins
In article <413daacc$0$6906$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, singhals@erols.com says...
Kinda like the metric system in the US of A.
None of that makes the fact that there is another system go away.
Kinda like the metric system in the US of A.
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Gjest
Re: Questions about cousins
More on cousins. Here's the URL to an old thread which discusses the two
"systems" of cousinhood.
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GE ... 0915383047
I also grew up with the one referred to here as the "folk" system, but
had heard of the "removes" before starting genealogy. I just had no idea
how to calculate cousinship beyond first cousin under that system,
learned it after getting into genealogy.
When you consider cousin marriages, a third cousin, for example, under
the "folk" system is much closer in blood than a 3rd cousin under the
"official" system and that may affect how people react to some cousin
marriages.
"systems" of cousinhood.
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GE ... 0915383047
I also grew up with the one referred to here as the "folk" system, but
had heard of the "removes" before starting genealogy. I just had no idea
how to calculate cousinship beyond first cousin under that system,
learned it after getting into genealogy.
When you consider cousin marriages, a third cousin, for example, under
the "folk" system is much closer in blood than a 3rd cousin under the
"official" system and that may affect how people react to some cousin
marriages.