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Pique

Canadian query...

Legg inn av Pique » 30 aug 2004 22:44:28

I've John Clark on the 1880 Census as "canadian" with about 5 children.

What/where do I have to do/go to, to find out more on JOHN. Is there a
"VITAL records" in Canada that I can write to? How do I find out his
BirthDay?DeathDate?ect?
Is this something I'll have to do "local" like a courthouse or something?
Tx
SC

Bruce Uttley

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Bruce Uttley » 31 aug 2004 01:27:14

The Vital Statistics with registrations of births, marriages
and deaths are administered by the provinces in Canada.
Information about the statistics, not the statistics themselves,
for the province of Ontario are at:
http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/i ... vsmain.htm
Other provinces have other sites.

You can order the index reels and then the registration reels
through your local Family History Center.

In article <10j74vu822j9e85@corp.supernews.com>,
Pique <standsbetween@yahoo.com> wrote:
I've John Clark on the 1880 Census as "canadian" with about 5 children.

What/where do I have to do/go to, to find out more on JOHN. Is there a
"VITAL records" in Canada that I can write to? How do I find out his
BirthDay?DeathDate?ect?
Is this something I'll have to do "local" like a courthouse or something?
Tx
SC

MisNomer

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av MisNomer » 31 aug 2004 03:48:00

There are some census records available on the net.

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/index-e.html

or

http://www.genealogy.gc.ca/06/06_e.html (databases)

There are also some great links to the provincial archives and genealogy
centers, but I don't have those handy. Let me know if there is something
specific to look up - as our Library here has lots of genealogy stuff for the
entire country, stuff like immigration lists and ships lists and stuff.

good luck
take care
Liz in Calgary.







On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:44:28 -0400, Pique <standsbetween@yahoo.com> wrote:

I've John Clark on the 1880 Census as "canadian" with about 5 children.

What/where do I have to do/go to, to find out more on JOHN. Is there a
"VITAL records" in Canada that I can write to? How do I find out his
BirthDay?DeathDate?ect?
Is this something I'll have to do "local" like a courthouse or something?
Tx
SC

Diane R. Reid

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Diane R. Reid » 31 aug 2004 15:41:03

What I would do first is see if John applied for citizenship in the US.
The citizenship papers will give the exact location of his birth. A
newspaper obituary might give the birthplace information. Also, if his
children were listed as being born in Canada, check for their
citizenship applications as well.

As someone else mentioned, Canadian birth records are available on a per
province basis.

As far as finding death records, that will depend a lot on where he was
located when he died!

Diane

Pique wrote:

I've John Clark on the 1880 Census as "canadian" with about 5 children.

What/where do I have to do/go to, to find out more on JOHN. Is there a
"VITAL records" in Canada that I can write to? How do I find out his
BirthDay?DeathDate?ect?
Is this something I'll have to do "local" like a courthouse or something?
Tx
SC

--
"The Universe began not with a bang, but a smile"

See my web page at http://www3.sympatico.ca/dr.reid/

Lorine McGinnis Schulze

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Lorine McGinnis Schulze » 01 sep 2004 00:34:19

On 30 Aug 2004 at 16:44, Pique wrote:

I've John Clark on the 1880 Census as "canadian" with about
5 children.

What/where do I have to do/go to, to find out more on JOHN.
Is there a "VITAL records" in Canada that I can write to?
How do I find out his BirthDay?DeathDate?ect? Is this
something I'll have to do "local" like a courthouse or
something? Tx SC


Vital Registration did not start til 1869 in Ontario - but
you need to know what part of Canada John was from. Every
province has it own way of record-keeping, and its own
start date.

I suggest you start with CANADIAN GENEALOGY at
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/

Pick the province you think most likely for John. Then use
the Directory of Links to search online databases and to
find out what records are available -- and where.

You can't search Canada-wide except for the online 1880
census , so you MUST narrow your search to a Province or
Territory.

Lorine
Lorine McGinnis Schulze

* Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists)
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/

* Naturalization Records
http://naturalizationrecords.com/

* USA Genealogy
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/

otg@csolve.net or olivetreegen@netscape.net

Pique

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Pique » 01 sep 2004 01:37:38

Thank you Diane, I didn't think of that. uh, who would I write to for
that?<smile>
SC

Diane R. Reid wrote:
What I would do first is see if John applied for citizenship in the US.
The citizenship papers will give the exact location of his birth. A
newspaper obituary might give the birthplace information. Also, if his
children were listed as being born in Canada, check for their
citizenship applications as well.

As someone else mentioned, Canadian birth records are available on a per
province basis.

As far as finding death records, that will depend a lot on where he was
located when he died!

Pique

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Pique » 01 sep 2004 01:45:39

Awesome! Thank you for not only the links but the offer!

I've checked out the links and did some cursory searches.... WHEW!
CLARK was definately a "used" name!
After I get something a bit more concrete I'll take you up on your
offer! ( concrete like a date or something...)

But hey, I just thought of something...how far back does your records go
for any given census/death/birth record?
Ont. started birth records...uh 1869?

By my calculated guesses my GGgf would have been born +/- 1845...
what would I do if "no one" has any records post 1869 or so?...
SC

MisNomer wrote:

There are some census records available on the net.

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/index-e.html

or

http://www.genealogy.gc.ca/06/06_e.html (databases)

There are also some great links to the provincial archives and genealogy
centers, but I don't have those handy. Let me know if there is something
specific to look up - as our Library here has lots of genealogy stuff for the
entire country, stuff like immigration lists and ships lists and stuff.

good luck
take care
Liz in Calgary.







On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:44:28 -0400, Pique <standsbetween@yahoo.com> wrote:


I've John Clark on the 1880 Census as "canadian" with about 5 children.

What/where do I have to do/go to, to find out more on JOHN. Is there a
"VITAL records" in Canada that I can write to? How do I find out his
BirthDay?DeathDate?ect?
Is this something I'll have to do "local" like a courthouse or something?
Tx
SC


Pique

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Pique » 01 sep 2004 01:48:01

This link was very informative and greatly useful! Thank you,
I think I may have run out of solid leads, as this one will take me a
while to figger out!
I appreciate it! One step closer to insanity...<gigggle>
SC

Bruce Uttley wrote:

The Vital Statistics with registrations of births, marriages
and deaths are administered by the provinces in Canada.
Information about the statistics, not the statistics themselves,
for the province of Ontario are at:
http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/i ... vsmain.htm
Other provinces have other sites.

You can order the index reels and then the registration reels
through your local Family History Center.

Doug Corbin

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Doug Corbin » 01 sep 2004 17:31:18

Have you looked for him in other census years? A lot of times the census
taker will write more than just Canada to show where the person was born.
For instance I've seen Canada French, Canada West and Upper Canada. It would
give you a clue of what province to concentrate your search in.

Where did your John Clark live in 1880?

Doug


"Pique" <standsbetween@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10j74vu822j9e85@corp.supernews.com...
I've John Clark on the 1880 Census as "canadian" with about 5 children.

What/where do I have to do/go to, to find out more on JOHN. Is there a
"VITAL records" in Canada that I can write to? How do I find out his
BirthDay?DeathDate?ect?
Is this something I'll have to do "local" like a courthouse or something?
Tx
SC

Diane R. Reid

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Diane R. Reid » 01 sep 2004 19:01:27

US citizenship papers are looked after by the state the person lived in.
I got ones for a step-sister of my grandfather's from the North Dakota
State Archives. I was able to find the reference for her papers from an
online database run by these archives. So, start with the web site for
the archives of the state he lived in! They will probably have other
information you might find useful. Often, it is best to actually go
there and do the research yourself. Most places have cut back on staff
and do not do lookups for people without some sort of fee.

I have had success finding newspaper obits in my provincial archives
(Ontario) and in the National Library and Archives here in Ottawa.
Sometimes, if you know that a small town newspaper existed and that
there would be an obit, you can contact the newspaper directly. The
newspaper in the small town in rural Saskatchewan, where my grandfather
was a prominent citizen, sent me a photocopy of the obit. Another sent
me a full copy of the newspaper for the recent death of the daughter of
a second cousin! It doesn't hurt to ask, and you can always offer to pay.

Diane

Pique wrote:

Thank you Diane, I didn't think of that. uh, who would I write to for
that?<smile
SC

Diane R. Reid wrote:


What I would do first is see if John applied for citizenship in the
US. The citizenship papers will give the exact location of his birth.
A newspaper obituary might give the birthplace information. Also, if
his children were listed as being born in Canada, check for their
citizenship applications as well.

As someone else mentioned, Canadian birth records are available on a
per province basis.

As far as finding death records, that will depend a lot on where he
was located when he died!

--
"The Universe began not with a bang, but a smile"

See my web page at http://www3.sympatico.ca/dr.reid/

MisNomer

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av MisNomer » 02 sep 2004 03:51:40

Apparently there are census form 1666, how useful they would be for genealogy is
another question. Have you tried the IGI at familysearch?

take care
Liz






On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:45:39 -0400, Pique <standsbetween@yahoo.com> wrote:

Awesome! Thank you for not only the links but the offer!

I've checked out the links and did some cursory searches.... WHEW!
CLARK was definately a "used" name!
After I get something a bit more concrete I'll take you up on your
offer! ( concrete like a date or something...)

But hey, I just thought of something...how far back does your records go
for any given census/death/birth record?
Ont. started birth records...uh 1869?

By my calculated guesses my GGgf would have been born +/- 1845...
what would I do if "no one" has any records post 1869 or so?...
SC

MisNomer wrote:

Lorine McGinnis Schulze

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Lorine McGinnis Schulze » 02 sep 2004 16:35:39

On 1 Sep 2004 at 15:31, Doug Corbin wrote:

show where the person was born. For instance I've seen
Canada French, Canada West and Upper Canada. It would give
you a clue of what province to concentrate your search in.

For those not familiar with name and boundary changes, you
might see Canada West (present day Ontario), Canada East
(present day Quebec), Upper Canada (present day Ontario),
Lower Canada (present day Quebec).... and more!

For more details on these name/boundary changes in Canada,
see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/

You need to know these names and the change dates in order
to find your Canadian ancestors.

Lorine
Lorine McGinnis Schulze

* Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists)
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/

* Naturalization Records
http://naturalizationrecords.com/

* USA Genealogy
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/

otg@csolve.net or olivetreegen@netscape.net

Diane R. Reid

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Diane R. Reid » 02 sep 2004 23:53:39

Parts of the 1861 census for Ontario survive. The complete 1871 census
is available. There are some earlier census records, but they are mostly
head of household only records - not nearly as useful.

My guess, based on the surname, is that he was probably in
Ontario/Canada West/Upper Canada.

If I were you, I'd look for marriage records - start with one of his
children's to get his wife's maiden name, use the birthplace of the
child as a possible place of the marriage.

Diane

Pique wrote:

Awesome! Thank you for not only the links but the offer!

I've checked out the links and did some cursory searches.... WHEW!
CLARK was definately a "used" name!
After I get something a bit more concrete I'll take you up on your
offer! ( concrete like a date or something...)

But hey, I just thought of something...how far back does your records go
for any given census/death/birth record?
Ont. started birth records...uh 1869?

By my calculated guesses my GGgf would have been born +/- 1845...
what would I do if "no one" has any records post 1869 or so?...
SC

MisNomer wrote:

There are some census records available on the net.
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/index-e.html

or
http://www.genealogy.gc.ca/06/06_e.html (databases)

There are also some great links to the provincial archives and genealogy
centers, but I don't have those handy. Let me know if there is something
specific to look up - as our Library here has lots of genealogy stuff
for the
entire country, stuff like immigration lists and ships lists and stuff.

good luck
take care
Liz in Calgary.







On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:44:28 -0400, Pique <standsbetween@yahoo.com
wrote:


I've John Clark on the 1880 Census as "canadian" with about 5 children.

What/where do I have to do/go to, to find out more on JOHN. Is there
a "VITAL records" in Canada that I can write to? How do I find out
his BirthDay?DeathDate?ect?
Is this something I'll have to do "local" like a courthouse or
something?
Tx
SC




--
"The Universe began not with a bang, but a smile"

See my web page at http://www3.sympatico.ca/dr.reid/

Pique

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Pique » 03 sep 2004 22:34:35

John Clark and Margarette/shubert/ Clark are listed as residnts of ROANE
county TN. in 1880. She is listed as from NC. Her age was listed at
about 33-34(hard to tell) , his at about 35.

I don't have any "census" material available to me in the years I'm
looking for, so the answer to your question is ..." No I have not."
I'd like to find any info in these two from 1850 to 1880, If I could.

It'd be eassier to find "her" from NC, than "him" in CN...have you seen
those databases?...WHEW! My eyes were crossing after 2 hours!

Doug Corbin wrote:
Have you looked for him in other census years? A lot of times the census
taker will write more than just Canada to show where the person was born.
For instance I've seen Canada French, Canada West and Upper Canada. It would
give you a clue of what province to concentrate your search in.

Where did your John Clark live in 1880?

Doug

Doug Corbin

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Doug Corbin » 04 sep 2004 03:07:16

"Pique" <standsbetween@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10jhltio1jrkoda@corp.supernews.com...
John Clark and Margarette/shubert/ Clark are listed as residnts of ROANE
county TN. in 1880. She is listed as from NC. Her age was listed at
about 33-34(hard to tell) , his at about 35.

I don't have any "census" material available to me in the years I'm
looking for, so the answer to your question is ..." No I have not."
I'd like to find any info in these two from 1850 to 1880, If I could.

It'd be eassier to find "her" from NC, than "him" in CN...have you seen
those databases?...WHEW! My eyes were crossing after 2 hours!


I'm sending a possible 1900 listing for John Clark. The age is right but he
has a different wife and is in Loudon Co, TN. On that census his birthplace
is Canada French.

Doug

Pique

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Pique » 04 sep 2004 15:14:20

send it to greyfixat charterdot net
SC

Doug Corbin wrote:
"Pique" <standsbetween@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10jhltio1jrkoda@corp.supernews.com...

John Clark and Margarette/shubert/ Clark are listed as residnts of ROANE
county TN. in 1880. She is listed as from NC. Her age was listed at
about 33-34(hard to tell) , his at about 35.

I don't have any "census" material available to me in the years I'm
looking for, so the answer to your question is ..." No I have not."
I'd like to find any info in these two from 1850 to 1880, If I could.

It'd be eassier to find "her" from NC, than "him" in CN...have you seen
those databases?...WHEW! My eyes were crossing after 2 hours!



I'm sending a possible 1900 listing for John Clark. The age is right but he
has a different wife and is in Loudon Co, TN. On that census his birthplace
is Canada French.

Doug


Pique

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Pique » 04 sep 2004 15:16:47

IGI??? I'm not sure what you mean?
<grin> I guess that I have not tried it huh?...
I'll go back thru the links and see if I can find what it is your asking
me...
SC

MisNomer wrote:

Apparently there are census form 1666, how useful they would be for genealogy is
another question. Have you tried the IGI at familysearch?

take care
Liz






On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:45:39 -0400, Pique <standsbetween@yahoo.com> wrote:


Awesome! Thank you for not only the links but the offer!

I've checked out the links and did some cursory searches.... WHEW!
CLARK was definately a "used" name!
After I get something a bit more concrete I'll take you up on your
offer! ( concrete like a date or something...)

But hey, I just thought of something...how far back does your records go
for any given census/death/birth record?
Ont. started birth records...uh 1869?

By my calculated guesses my GGgf would have been born +/- 1845...
what would I do if "no one" has any records post 1869 or so?...
SC

MisNomer wrote:


Pique

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Pique » 04 sep 2004 15:22:19

I've already sent out for BirthCert. I'm pretty sure that I"ve got the
Maiden name already...
Sure I follow ya...on the 1880 census there are 2 step children and 3
biological...Marriage year would have probably been in the oldest
biological childs birth year....search this counties Marriage Records in
THAT year and see what turns up...if not here in TN than it would be in
NC somewhere...right?
SC

Diane R. Reid wrote:

Parts of the 1861 census for Ontario survive. The complete 1871 census
is available. There are some earlier census records, but they are mostly
head of household only records - not nearly as useful.

My guess, based on the surname, is that he was probably in
Ontario/Canada West/Upper Canada.

If I were you, I'd look for marriage records - start with one of his
children's to get his wife's maiden name, use the birthplace of the
child as a possible place of the marriage.

Diane

MisNomer

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av MisNomer » 04 sep 2004 18:51:30

the IGI is part of the sources at the mormon library. Perhaps someone has
submitted his name and information already. The http://www.familysearch.org is always
the first place to look for information.

By the way - do you know the religion of John Clarke?

take care
Liz






On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 09:16:47 -0400, Pique <standsbetween@yahoo.com> wrote:

IGI??? I'm not sure what you mean?
grin> I guess that I have not tried it huh?...
I'll go back thru the links and see if I can find what it is your asking
me...
SC

MisNomer wrote:

Apparently there are census form 1666, how useful they would be for genealogy is
another question. Have you tried the IGI at familysearch?

take care
Liz






On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:45:39 -0400, Pique <standsbetween@yahoo.com> wrote:


Awesome! Thank you for not only the links but the offer!

I've checked out the links and did some cursory searches.... WHEW!
CLARK was definately a "used" name!
After I get something a bit more concrete I'll take you up on your
offer! ( concrete like a date or something...)

But hey, I just thought of something...how far back does your records go
for any given census/death/birth record?
Ont. started birth records...uh 1869?

By my calculated guesses my GGgf would have been born +/- 1845...
what would I do if "no one" has any records post 1869 or so?...
SC

MisNomer wrote:


Pique

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av Pique » 05 sep 2004 15:18:26

Gotcha.
I do not know the religion of my GGgf, but my gf was a baptist preacher
local to me.
<note: I wasn't even aware there was a John Clark from Canada, until
about a month ago! <grin>>
SC

MisNomer wrote:
the IGI is part of the sources at the mormon library. Perhaps someone has
submitted his name and information already. The http://www.familysearch.org is always
the first place to look for information.

By the way - do you know the religion of John Clarke?

take care
Liz

MisNomer

Re: Canadian query...

Legg inn av MisNomer » 06 sep 2004 03:40:18

lol... get busy eh? ;^)

I was looking through some books - my friend has a small genealogy library - of
marraiges for ONtario and some from Quebec. There are a ton of Clark or Clarke
listed ( presbyterians ). There is information out there!

take care
Liz




On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 09:18:26 -0400, Pique <standsbetween@yahoo.com> wrote:

Gotcha.
I do not know the religion of my GGgf, but my gf was a baptist preacher
local to me.
note: I wasn't even aware there was a John Clark from Canada, until
about a month ago! <grin
SC

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