Handwriting help, please

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Handwriting help, please

Legg inn av saki » 24 aug 2004 20:20:57

Could anyone with good eyes please help me verify the names on this
marriage certificate?

http://sakionline.net/hans_and_cathrina ... icense.jpg

The button in the lower right-hand corner will expand the image for
clarity.

I believe this is my great-grandparents' marriage license from Fillmore
County, Nebraska. The ages work out almost exactly (my great-grandfather
was actually 28, not 27, but perhaps he was giddy that day) as does the
location. However I'd appreciate some help with several of the names.

The groom's father (also a witness) looks to be L.P. Petersen, while the
mother's maiden name is listed as Margaret, correct? I think the question
was misunderstood and they put down the groom's mother's first name, not
maiden name. Hans and Catherina later had a daughter named Margaret.

The bride's father looks like Peter Hansen Petersen; does anyone read
anything else for this?

Also it appears that the bride's mother's maiden name is E.C. Morrson. I
haven't come across this last name before. A quick web search shows some
Morrsons from Sweden, though all family members on this certificate
apparently came from Schleswig-Holstein before emigrating to the US. Is
Morrson a proper transcription?

Many thanks for any help!

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saki@ucla.edu

singhals

Re: Handwriting help, please

Legg inn av singhals » 24 aug 2004 20:20:58

saki wrote:
Could anyone with good eyes please help me verify the names on this
marriage certificate?

http://sakionline.net/hans_and_cathrina ... icense.jpg

The button in the lower right-hand corner will expand the image for
clarity.

I believe this is my great-grandparents' marriage license from Fillmore
County, Nebraska. The ages work out almost exactly (my great-grandfather
was actually 28, not 27, but perhaps he was giddy that day) as does the
location. However I'd appreciate some help with several of the names.

The groom's father (also a witness) looks to be L.P. Petersen, while the
mother's maiden name is listed as Margaret, correct? I think the question
was misunderstood and they put down the groom's mother's first name, not
maiden name. Hans and Catherina later had a daughter named Margaret.

The bride's father looks like Peter Hansen Petersen; does anyone read
anything else for this?

Also it appears that the bride's mother's maiden name is E.C. Morrson. I
haven't come across this last name before. A quick web search shows some
Morrsons from Sweden, though all family members on this certificate
apparently came from Schleswig-Holstein before emigrating to the US. Is
Morrson a proper transcription?

Many thanks for any help!

----
saki@ucla.edu

I'd figure that they didn't know Margaret's maiden name (or, if they're
from Schleswig-Holstein, the clerk didn't believe what he was told).
After all, you don't need witnesses to apply for the license and many
people don't know what they're going to be asked. (g)

The witnesses names look good -- the father's appear to have been the
official witnesses.

There is a tiny but present chance that it's Morison not Morrson.

Cheryl

Tara

Re: Handwriting help, please

Legg inn av Tara » 24 aug 2004 20:38:35

"saki" <saki@ucla.edu> wrote in message
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Also it appears that the bride's mother's maiden name is E.C. Morrson. I
haven't come across this last name before. A quick web search shows some
Morrsons from Sweden, though all family members on this certificate
apparently came from Schleswig-Holstein before emigrating to the US. Is
Morrson a proper transcription?

Many thanks for any help!

----
saki@ucla.edu

All your transcriptions look good to me but I think there's a small chance
that the mother's maiden name is Monson. My first instinct is to try and
find another example of the name to compare it to, but all I could find in
this case is more unreadable stuff. I couldn't find any examples on
Catherine's parents, but Hans' parents are in the 1880 census:

Name: Seame P. PETERSON
Age: 65
Image Source: Year: 1880; Census Place: Belle Prairie, Fillmore,
Nebraska; Roll: T9_748; Family History Film: 1254748; Page: 544D;
Enumeration District: 336.

Although his father's name is transcribed as Seame in the index, looking at
a Sarah, Samuel, Luretta and Linda on the same page convinces me that his
name starts with an L. Beyond that, I have no idea what his name is. There's
also a possible gravestone online for Hans' mother:

ST. JOHANNES GERMAN EVANGELICAL CHURCH CEMETERY;
FILLMORE COUNTY, NEBRASKA
Peterson, Margretta, b. nl, d.10 Mar 1882
age 66 years
ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ne/ ... hannes.txt
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nefillmo/stjgecm.htm (picture linked)

The age matches that in the 1880 census although the spelling of the first
name varies. Sorry I couldn't find something more substantial.
--
Tara Larkin
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Doug Corbin

Re: Handwriting help, please

Legg inn av Doug Corbin » 25 aug 2004 00:03:09

That census taker liked to add a curly loop or tail to the end of a lot of
capital letters. I think that what was indexed as Seame is possibly Larne or
Lorne.

Doug

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Also it appears that the bride's mother's maiden name is E.C.
Morrson. I haven't come across this last name before. A quick web
search shows some Morrsons from Sweden, though all family members on
this certificate apparently came from Schleswig-Holstein before
emigrating to the US. Is Morrson a proper transcription?

Many thanks for any help!

----
saki@ucla.edu

All your transcriptions look good to me but I think there's a small
chance that the mother's maiden name is Monson. My first instinct is
to try and find another example of the name to compare it to, but all
I could find in this case is more unreadable stuff.

It may be Monson. I'll pursue that angle and see whether it works.

I couldn't find
any examples on Catherine's parents, but Hans' parents are in the 1880
census:

Name: Seame P. PETERSON
Age: 65
Image Source: Year: 1880; Census Place: Belle Prairie, Fillmore,
Nebraska; Roll: T9_748; Family History Film: 1254748; Page: 544D;
Enumeration District: 336.

Although his father's name is transcribed as Seame in the index,
looking at a Sarah, Samuel, Luretta and Linda on the same page
convinces me that his name starts with an L.

You know, you're right. There's a real difference between the L and S.
The final horizontal loop of the S goes back through the letter at a
higher angle than the L loop.

Beyond that, I have no idea what his name is.

It's a curious one. I was trying to imagine what it is based on the names
that L.P.'s son Hans gave his children. There was a Louis, but I can't
make Leame/Seame into Louis. Was it a Danish name? L.P. says his father
was born in Denmark.

The image is slightly easier to read at genealogy.com in the 1880 census
for Belle Prairie, Nebraska. Does anyone else have suggestions for what
looks like Seame Petersen?

There's also a possible gravestone online for
Hans' mother:

ST. JOHANNES GERMAN EVANGELICAL CHURCH CEMETERY;
FILLMORE COUNTY, NEBRASKA
Peterson, Margretta, b. nl, d.10 Mar 1882
age 66 years
ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ne/ ... hannes.txt
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nefillmo/stjgecm.htm (picture linked)

The age matches that in the 1880 census although the spelling of the
first name varies. Sorry I couldn't find something more substantial.

This is quite remarkable, and I'm grateful for your information.
Considering the notation that she was paralyzed in the 1880 census she
may have been in poor health otherwise, and the death date makes sense.

A week ago I couldn't even get further back than 1910!

This newsgroup has been very, very helpful.

----
saki@ucla.edu

saki

Re: Handwriting help, please

Legg inn av saki » 25 aug 2004 00:50:38

"Tara" <NOtnlarkinSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in
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"saki" <saki@ucla.edu> wrote in message
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Also it appears that the bride's mother's maiden name is E.C.
Morrson. I haven't come across this last name before. A quick web
search shows some Morrsons from Sweden, though all family members on
this certificate apparently came from Schleswig-Holstein before
emigrating to the US. Is Morrson a proper transcription?

Many thanks for any help!

----
saki@ucla.edu

All your transcriptions look good to me but I think there's a small
chance that the mother's maiden name is Monson. My first instinct is
to try and find another example of the name to compare it to, but all
I could find in this case is more unreadable stuff.

It may be Monson. I'll pursue that angle and see whether it works.

I couldn't find
any examples on Catherine's parents, but Hans' parents are in the 1880
census:

Name: Seame P. PETERSON
Age: 65
Image Source: Year: 1880; Census Place: Belle Prairie, Fillmore,
Nebraska; Roll: T9_748; Family History Film: 1254748; Page: 544D;
Enumeration District: 336.

Although his father's name is transcribed as Seame in the index,
looking at a Sarah, Samuel, Luretta and Linda on the same page
convinces me that his name starts with an L.

You know, you're right. There's a real difference between the L and S.
The final horizontal loop of the S goes back through the letter at a
higher angle than the L loop.

Beyond that, I have no idea what his name is.

It's a curious one. I was trying to imagine what it is based on the names
that L.P.'s son Hans gave his children. There was a Louis, but I can't
make Leame/Seame into Louis. Was it a Danish name? L.P. says his father
was born in Denmark.

The image is slightly easier to read at genealogy.com in the 1880 census
for Belle Prairie, Nebraska. Does anyone else have suggestions for what
looks like Seame Petersen?

There's also a possible gravestone online for
Hans' mother:

ST. JOHANNES GERMAN EVANGELICAL CHURCH CEMETERY;
FILLMORE COUNTY, NEBRASKA
Peterson, Margretta, b. nl, d.10 Mar 1882
age 66 years
ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ne/ ... hannes.txt
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nefillmo/stjgecm.htm (picture linked)

The age matches that in the 1880 census although the spelling of the
first name varies. Sorry I couldn't find something more substantial.

This is quite remarkable, and I'm grateful for your information.
Considering the notation that she was paralyzed in the 1880 census she
may have been in poor health otherwise, and the death date makes sense.

A week ago I couldn't even get further back than 1910!

This newsgroup has been very, very helpful.

----
saki@ucla.edu

saki

Re: Handwriting help, please

Legg inn av saki » 25 aug 2004 02:20:55

"Doug Corbin" <bookrk@swbell.net> wrote in
news:xWOWc.5683$ui1.5198@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com:

That census taker liked to add a curly loop or tail to the end of a
lot of capital letters. I think that what was indexed as Seame is
possibly Larne or Lorne.

Thanks very much, I appreciate it. I'll try to search with that name.

----
saki@ucla.edu

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