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William R. Boone

Web Hosting

Legg inn av William R. Boone » 22. februar 2008 kl. 16.04

I am looking at various sites to host my genealogy family page and was
wondering from you more experienced webmasters what you would recommend.
Also, I am looking for the the best software to use for a website?

Regards,

Bill Boone

Michael Kenefick

Re: Web Hosting

Legg inn av Michael Kenefick » 22. februar 2008 kl. 16.59

You can try a free page on geocities.com. If you like it then they offer pay
pages as well. Mike in Ohio

William R. Boone wrote:
I am looking at various sites to host my genealogy family page and was
wondering from you more experienced webmasters what you would recommend.
Also, I am looking for the the best software to use for a website?

Regards,

Bill Boone

Robert Melson

Re: Web Hosting

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 22. februar 2008 kl. 17.59

In article <qwBvj.3188$tW.1526@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"William R. Boone" <tamatora@swbell.net> writes:
I am looking at various sites to host my genealogy family page and was
wondering from you more experienced webmasters what you would recommend.
Also, I am looking for the the best software to use for a website?

Regards,

Bill Boone

At the risk of appearing to be a one-trick pony, I'd recommend

you look at three programs (listed in my order of preference):

phpGedView (http://www.phpgedview.net) - free
The Next Generation (lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php) - shareware
GeneWeb (http://www.geneweb.org) - free

Both phpGedView and TNG require hosting on a webserver and the
installation of both the PHP language and a database. Both sites
provide links to 3d party hosting services. Both have extremely
good reports and work from your gedcom (they use the database
for internal storage for speed in displaying info).

GeneWeb is both a stand-alone application and a fairly competent
webserver all by itself. It's a bit quirky and, unless things have
changed in recent months, has definite shortcomings in the number
of reports it makes possible and in site security. It does a nice
job of displaying info but is somewhat limited.

My pick, and I admit prejudice, is phpGedView.

HTH,

Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford

Hugh Watkins

Re: Web Hosting

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 22. februar 2008 kl. 22.44

Robert Melson wrote:
In article <qwBvj.3188$tW.1526@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"William R. Boone" <tamatora@swbell.net> writes:
I am looking at various sites to host my genealogy family page and was
wondering from you more experienced webmasters what you would recommend.
Also, I am looking for the the best software to use for a website?

Regards,

Bill Boone

At the risk of appearing to be a one-trick pony, I'd recommend
you look at three programs (listed in my order of preference):

phpGedView (http://www.phpgedview.net) - free
The Next Generation (lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php) - shareware
GeneWeb (http://www.geneweb.org) - free

Both phpGedView and TNG require hosting on a webserver and the
installation of both the PHP language and a database. Both sites
provide links to 3d party hosting services. Both have extremely
good reports and work from your gedcom (they use the database
for internal storage for speed in displaying info).

GeneWeb is both a stand-alone application and a fairly competent
webserver all by itself. It's a bit quirky and, unless things have
changed in recent months, has definite shortcomings in the number
of reports it makes possible and in site security. It does a nice
job of displaying info but is somewhat limited.

My pick, and I admit prejudice, is phpGedView.

keep it simple
put a gedcom on worldconnect
tow minutes to create thousands of pages


when you die if nobody pays your own website dies with you and the data
is lost


Hugh W

--
For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and
district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/

http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Robert Melson

Re: Web Hosting

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 22. februar 2008 kl. 23.07

In article <628u24F21oerrU2@mid.individual.net>,
Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> writes:
Robert Melson wrote:
In article <qwBvj.3188$tW.1526@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"William R. Boone" <tamatora@swbell.net> writes:
I am looking at various sites to host my genealogy family page and was
wondering from you more experienced webmasters what you would recommend.
Also, I am looking for the the best software to use for a website?

Regards,

Bill Boone

At the risk of appearing to be a one-trick pony, I'd recommend
you look at three programs (listed in my order of preference):

phpGedView (http://www.phpgedview.net) - free
The Next Generation (lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php) - shareware
GeneWeb (http://www.geneweb.org) - free

Both phpGedView and TNG require hosting on a webserver and the
installation of both the PHP language and a database. Both sites
provide links to 3d party hosting services. Both have extremely
good reports and work from your gedcom (they use the database
for internal storage for speed in displaying info).

GeneWeb is both a stand-alone application and a fairly competent
webserver all by itself. It's a bit quirky and, unless things have
changed in recent months, has definite shortcomings in the number
of reports it makes possible and in site security. It does a nice
job of displaying info but is somewhat limited.

My pick, and I admit prejudice, is phpGedView.

keep it simple
put a gedcom on worldconnect
tow minutes to create thousands of pages


when you die if nobody pays your own website dies with you and the data
is lost


Hugh W

Well, as Dick Eastman observed in the "Eastman Online Genealogy

Report" reviews of the two, it can't get much easier than
having somebody else load your gedcom and maintain the site.
Charges for hosting services vary from nothing to about
$10/month for very large collections, and the services do
all the scut work of site operations.

<opinion>
What happens if/when RootsWeb disappears, as it could easily
do if its sponsor decides to pull the plug? You're in the
exact same boat

What happens if/when RootsWeb/Ancestry sells _your_ data?
What control do you have over _that_?
</opinion>

This is clearly a matter of personal choice. More to the
point, it's clearly something for the OP to decide on, and
he can't make a good decision without examining all the
possibilities - ignoring self- or low cost hosting options
is self-defeating and not the way to an intelligent
decision.

Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford

Hugh Watkins

Re: Web Hosting

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 23. februar 2008 kl. 2.35

Robert Melson wrote:
In article <628u24F21oerrU2@mid.individual.net>,
Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> writes:
Robert Melson wrote:
In article <qwBvj.3188$tW.1526@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"William R. Boone" <tamatora@swbell.net> writes:
I am looking at various sites to host my genealogy family page and was
wondering from you more experienced webmasters what you would recommend.
Also, I am looking for the the best software to use for a website?

Regards,

Bill Boone

At the risk of appearing to be a one-trick pony, I'd recommend
you look at three programs (listed in my order of preference):

phpGedView (http://www.phpgedview.net) - free
The Next Generation (lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php) - shareware
GeneWeb (http://www.geneweb.org) - free

Both phpGedView and TNG require hosting on a webserver and the
installation of both the PHP language and a database. Both sites
provide links to 3d party hosting services. Both have extremely
good reports and work from your gedcom (they use the database
for internal storage for speed in displaying info).

GeneWeb is both a stand-alone application and a fairly competent
webserver all by itself. It's a bit quirky and, unless things have
changed in recent months, has definite shortcomings in the number
of reports it makes possible and in site security. It does a nice
job of displaying info but is somewhat limited.

My pick, and I admit prejudice, is phpGedView.
keep it simple
put a gedcom on worldconnect
tow minutes to create thousands of pages


when you die if nobody pays your own website dies with you and the data
is lost


Hugh W

Well, as Dick Eastman observed in the "Eastman Online Genealogy
Report" reviews of the two, it can't get much easier than
having somebody else load your gedcom and maintain the site.
Charges for hosting services vary from nothing to about
$10/month for very large collections, and the services do
all the scut work of site operations.

opinion
What happens if/when RootsWeb disappears, as it could easily
do if its sponsor decides to pull the plug? You're in the
exact same boat

it is a valuable site
and if ancestry failed would be snapped up by another entreprenor
What happens if/when RootsWeb/Ancestry sells _your_ data?
What control do you have over _that_?
/opinion

it is a freebie
but paid for by we who subscribe to ancestry
This is clearly a matter of personal choice. More to the
point, it's clearly something for the OP to decide on, and
he can't make a good decision without examining all the
possibilities - ignoring self- or low cost hosting options
is self-defeating and not the way to an intelligent
decision.

what is lower cost than free?

familysearch.org will also accept gedcom
BUT they must be perfect at the moment revision is not avaialable

https://new.familysearch.org/en/action/unsec/welcome is going to change
all that see also http://labs.familysearch.org/


Hugh W
--
For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and
district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/

http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Michelle, Sabrina's Mom

Re: Web Hosting

Legg inn av Michelle, Sabrina's Mom » 23. februar 2008 kl. 4.07

"William R. Boone" <tamatora@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:qwBvj.3188$tW.1526@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
I am looking at various sites to host my genealogy family page and was
wondering from you more experienced webmasters what you would recommend.
Also, I am looking for the the best software to use for a website?

Regards,

Bill Boone
I think phpGedView looks the most appealing. I have a blog on blogger but

it's a mess. I am going to look into phpGedView.
yourbeginnings.com offers free webhosting for phpGedView. I might try out
the free hosting first and see how I like it.

Michelle

Robert Melson

Re: Web Hosting

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 23. februar 2008 kl. 5.42

In article <629bjsF21s9lhU1@mid.individual.net>,
Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> writes:
Robert Melson wrote:
In article <628u24F21oerrU2@mid.individual.net>,
Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> writes:
Robert Melson wrote:
In article <qwBvj.3188$tW.1526@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"William R. Boone" <tamatora@swbell.net> writes:
I am looking at various sites to host my genealogy family page and was
wondering from you more experienced webmasters what you would recommend.
Also, I am looking for the the best software to use for a website?

Regards,

Bill Boone

At the risk of appearing to be a one-trick pony, I'd recommend
you look at three programs (listed in my order of preference):

phpGedView (http://www.phpgedview.net) - free
The Next Generation (lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php) - shareware
GeneWeb (http://www.geneweb.org) - free

Both phpGedView and TNG require hosting on a webserver and the
installation of both the PHP language and a database. Both sites
provide links to 3d party hosting services. Both have extremely
good reports and work from your gedcom (they use the database
for internal storage for speed in displaying info).

GeneWeb is both a stand-alone application and a fairly competent
webserver all by itself. It's a bit quirky and, unless things have
changed in recent months, has definite shortcomings in the number
of reports it makes possible and in site security. It does a nice
job of displaying info but is somewhat limited.

My pick, and I admit prejudice, is phpGedView.
keep it simple
put a gedcom on worldconnect
tow minutes to create thousands of pages


when you die if nobody pays your own website dies with you and the data
is lost


Hugh W

Well, as Dick Eastman observed in the "Eastman Online Genealogy
Report" reviews of the two, it can't get much easier than
having somebody else load your gedcom and maintain the site.
Charges for hosting services vary from nothing to about
$10/month for very large collections, and the services do
all the scut work of site operations.

opinion
What happens if/when RootsWeb disappears, as it could easily
do if its sponsor decides to pull the plug? You're in the
exact same boat

it is a valuable site
and if ancestry failed would be snapped up by another entreprenor

You assume that, but there's no guarantee that it will be. It
all depends on the perceived bottom-line, and the bean-counters
and button-sorters will see only that and nothing much more.
Mind, I'm not saying that it will, or is evenly likely to,
happen, but suggest that there are perils even here.

What happens if/when RootsWeb/Ancestry sells _your_ data?
What control do you have over _that_?
/opinion

it is a freebie

That's a non-responsive answer. Yeah, it's a freebie, but
what happens if the faceless "they" decide to capitalize on
your data and that of the thousands of others who've put
their data on RW/WC? The door slams, and suddenly neither
you nor anybody can get at _your_ data without paying a
fee for doing so. You've effectively been screwed and have
absolutely NO recourse. Again, I'm not saying it WILL
happen, but it IS a possibility you have to consider

but paid for by we who subscribe to ancestry

This is clearly a matter of personal choice. More to the
point, it's clearly something for the OP to decide on, and
he can't make a good decision without examining all the
possibilities - ignoring self- or low cost hosting options
is self-defeating and not the way to an intelligent
decision.

what is lower cost than free?

Exactly. phpGedView is free, as are MySql, Apache and
PHP. If you host it on your own system, it's free save
for the minor amount of work you put into the care and
feeding of your website. Granted running one's own
website is not for everybody - I happen to like doing it,
but understand that others don't. But, with folks offering
free hosting services - and not just RW/WC - I can only
reiterate that phpGedView and The Next Generation are
options that should be considered, just as RW/WC is an
option for consideration. It's not the simple, open
and shut case you seem to suggest, however; one size
does NOT fit all.

familysearch.org will also accept gedcom
BUT they must be perfect at the moment revision is not avaialable

https://new.familysearch.org/en/action/unsec/welcome is going to change
all that see also http://labs.familysearch.org/


Hugh W

It may well be that it wasn't your intention to suggest that
the OP consider only RW/WC, but that's scertainly what it
sounded like. I have nothing against RW, although I have not
and will not put my gedcom/tree on it. It obviously suits
you, and that's fine .. for you. But it isn't for everybody,
and that's my whole point.

Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford

Hugh Watkins

Re: Web Hosting

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 23. februar 2008 kl. 14.54

Robert Melson wrote:
In article <629bjsF21s9lhU1@mid.individual.net>,
Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> writes:
Robert Melson wrote:
In article <628u24F21oerrU2@mid.individual.net>,
Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> writes:
Robert Melson wrote:
In article <qwBvj.3188$tW.1526@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"William R. Boone" <tamatora@swbell.net> writes:
I am looking at various sites to host my genealogy family page and was
wondering from you more experienced webmasters what you would recommend.
Also, I am looking for the the best software to use for a website?

Regards,

Bill Boone

At the risk of appearing to be a one-trick pony, I'd recommend
you look at three programs (listed in my order of preference):

phpGedView (http://www.phpgedview.net) - free
The Next Generation (lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php) - shareware
GeneWeb (http://www.geneweb.org) - free

Both phpGedView and TNG require hosting on a webserver and the
installation of both the PHP language and a database. Both sites
provide links to 3d party hosting services. Both have extremely
good reports and work from your gedcom (they use the database
for internal storage for speed in displaying info).

GeneWeb is both a stand-alone application and a fairly competent
webserver all by itself. It's a bit quirky and, unless things have
changed in recent months, has definite shortcomings in the number
of reports it makes possible and in site security. It does a nice
job of displaying info but is somewhat limited.

My pick, and I admit prejudice, is phpGedView.
keep it simple
put a gedcom on worldconnect
tow minutes to create thousands of pages


when you die if nobody pays your own website dies with you and the data
is lost


Hugh W

Well, as Dick Eastman observed in the "Eastman Online Genealogy
Report" reviews of the two, it can't get much easier than
having somebody else load your gedcom and maintain the site.
Charges for hosting services vary from nothing to about
$10/month for very large collections, and the services do
all the scut work of site operations.

opinion
What happens if/when RootsWeb disappears, as it could easily
do if its sponsor decides to pull the plug? You're in the
exact same boat
it is a valuable site
and if ancestry failed would be snapped up by another entreprenor

You assume that, but there's no guarantee that it will be. It
all depends on the perceived bottom-line, and the bean-counters
and button-sorters will see only that and nothing much more.
Mind, I'm not saying that it will, or is evenly likely to,
happen, but suggest that there are perils even here.

What happens if/when RootsWeb/Ancestry sells _your_ data?

I don't care if they do
that would ensure its preservation after my own death


What control do you have over _that_?
/opinion
it is a freebie

That's a non-responsive answer. Yeah, it's a freebie, but
what happens if the faceless "they" decide to capitalize on
your data and that of the thousands of others who've put
their data on RW/WC? The door slams, and suddenly neither
you nor anybody can get at _your_ data without paying a
fee for doing so. You've effectively been screwed and have
absolutely NO recourse. Again, I'm not saying it WILL
happen, but it IS a possibility you have to consider

copyright of my own text in the notes and a class action

we had a similar happening with dejavu which was off line for a year
before google got it going again

Genesreunited and UK 1901 census PRO version are now owned bt ITV

i am certain http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/us-databases.aspx would
be very happy to host rootsweb if they got the chance

Hugh W


http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

John

Re: Web Hosting

Legg inn av John » 23. februar 2008 kl. 17.57

William R. Boone wrote:
I am looking at various sites to host my genealogy family page and was
wondering from you more experienced webmasters what you would recommend.
Also, I am looking for the the best software to use for a website?

Regards,

Bill Boone

Everyone should be sure to Google search:

"ipowerweb sucks"
"startlogic sucks"
"Thomas Gorney" <- head of both ipowerweb and startlogic
at the same physical address

before deciding to go with them.

John

Texas Gen

Re: Web Hosting

Legg inn av Texas Gen » 23. februar 2008 kl. 20.33

Robert Melson wrote:
I am looking at various sites to host my genealogy family page and was
wondering from you more experienced webmasters what you would recommend.
Also, I am looking for the the best software to use for a website?

I found SimplyHosting to be a good web host. I was paying $8.99 per month,
although today I see they also have a $4.99 plan. And it looks like they
also have a first month free. They do daily backups.

I went with them because I was using The Next Generation (TNG) software to
build my website, and they will install it for you. Their support is the
best I've seen.

Although my site was "up," I found that my schedule was allowing no time to
do the fine-tuning, so after a few months, I cancelled. I still have the
TNG software, which is bought separately, so I could install somewhere else
if I wanted to.

Many people on this list have had good results from TNG, and I hope they
will post their site URLs for you to see.

TNG has the password option which some might like, although I chose to keep
my website open.

I use Legacy for my genealogy database, and it will build a simple site that
most beginning researchers could click into and see right away if the data
applies to their line or not. I've tinkered with it.

The thing with World Connect / Ancestry trees is that (unless I'm missing
something) there is not enough room to include full sourcing and multiple
life events that would be useful to a researcher. That is really a
drawback----a "brick wall," if you will, to me. :-)

Under no circumstances would I let someone download a GEDCOM of my data.
YMMV

Regards,

Donna

SimplyHosting http://www.simplyhosting.net/hosting/tnghosting.php

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