New POV needed, please?

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singhals

New POV needed, please?

Legg inn av singhals » 6. februar 2008 kl. 17.26

I've stared at this until I've driven myself into a
depression. So then I dragged some good friends into it,
and they've gone cross-eyed.

Now I'm inviting comments from the world-at-large. (g)

What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW
service, NEVER lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace
in VA, having married 3 separate women with the same given
names, only the middle of whom left a death record, and only
the first and 2nd left a marriage record?

There are numerous other details, but that's the broad
picture, and what I'm after here is -- is this a
common-as-dirt scenario, or it is a one-of-a-kind, or is it
neither rare nor frequent?

Thanks.

Cheryl

Tara

Re: New POV needed, please?

Legg inn av Tara » 6. februar 2008 kl. 18.18

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
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I've stared at this until I've driven myself into a depression. So then I
dragged some good friends into it, and they've gone cross-eyed.

Now I'm inviting comments from the world-at-large. (g)

What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW service, NEVER
lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace in VA, having married 3
separate women with the same given names, only the middle of whom left a
death record, and only the first and 2nd left a marriage record?

There are numerous other details, but that's the broad picture, and what
I'm after here is -- is this a common-as-dirt scenario, or it is a
one-of-a-kind, or is it neither rare nor frequent?

Thanks.

Cheryl

I think I'd probably go with neither/nor. Certainly not common, but not
impossible either. I'm not going to go through and count, but I'd guess I
have 4 or 5 men in my family tree, close to that timeframe and in the
VA/NC/KY area that have married two women with the same given name. Three
doesn't seem that unlikely to me. And if they're Marys or Sarahs, which it
sometimes seems about every 3rd female was, then your odds go up quite a
bit. Just my guess....<shrug>

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Allen

Re: New POV needed, please?

Legg inn av Allen » 6. februar 2008 kl. 19.00

singhals wrote:
I've stared at this until I've driven myself into a depression. So then
I dragged some good friends into it, and they've gone cross-eyed.

Now I'm inviting comments from the world-at-large. (g)

What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW service, NEVER
lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace in VA, having married 3
separate women with the same given names, only the middle of whom left a
death record, and only the first and 2nd left a marriage record?

There are numerous other details, but that's the broad picture, and what
I'm after here is -- is this a common-as-dirt scenario, or it is a
one-of-a-kind, or is it neither rare nor frequent?

Thanks.

Cheryl
In my family tree, one branch is Hussite (in my case, Moravian, or

officially Unitas Fratrum) who were originally in Switzerland, then most
of the community moved to Alsace, then to Pennsylvania, then to North
Carolina.) That community, though they made those moves over a 150-year
period, stayed together as group. The small number of given names in
that group is amazing, looking back from today. One family had three
siblings named Maria and two named Johann, with different middle names.
Almost every family had at least one of each of these names, and the
surnames were naturally small in number. Because of this, I can see that
though the odds might seem high, the records could well be correct.
Unfortunately, middle names seldom made it into the official records. In
the case of my ancestors, the Moravian Church kept the most amazingly
detailed records that I have ever seen. In tracking down one of my
ancestors, I found on the same page this statement: "Saw a
five-foot-long snake today". That certainly makes their records an
amazing source of information; would that I could find that sort of info
on other branches.
Allen

Huntersglenn

Re: New POV needed, please?

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 6. februar 2008 kl. 19.26

I'm still coming up empty on looking for you - I know, you warned me
<vbg>, but still...

My great-great-grandfather seems to have lived his entire life within
10-20 mile radius (as far as I know - I've yet to find HIS parents, so
I'm guessing he was born, grew up and died in the same place. His first
wife was a Mary (my ancestress), unfortunately I can't find a marriage
for them, nor can I find her last name or place/date of death. In 1860
he remarried...to Mary Alexander.

After John died, Mary remarried, to a Russell Armstrong. At about this
same time, her step-daughter from her first marriage, Nancy, married a
Russell Armstrong - same county. The two men have just a few years
separating them in age. And yes, both women went on to have children
with these men (which wreaked quite a bit of havoc with me and Family
Tree Maker because at first I didn't realize I was looking at two
separate marriages. AND both men were widowers with children at the
time of their marriages to Mary and Nancy Hopkins).

One of Mary Alexander's brothers was named Henry (one of three in the
county at the same time), and he married Sarah Davis, who had had at
least one child out of wedlock - Mary Davis. Mary Davis married John W.
Hopkins, who was the son of the above mentioned John Hopkins and his
first wife Mary.

So, based on my experience, what you're describing sounds pretty darn
normal!

Cathy

singhals wrote:
I've stared at this until I've driven myself into a depression. So then
I dragged some good friends into it, and they've gone cross-eyed.

Now I'm inviting comments from the world-at-large. (g)

What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW service, NEVER
lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace in VA, having married 3
separate women with the same given names, only the middle of whom left a
death record, and only the first and 2nd left a marriage record?

There are numerous other details, but that's the broad picture, and what
I'm after here is -- is this a common-as-dirt scenario, or it is a
one-of-a-kind, or is it neither rare nor frequent?

Thanks.

Cheryl

Jane Benn

Re: New POV needed, please?

Legg inn av Jane Benn » 6. februar 2008 kl. 21.09

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:18:45 -0700, "Tara"
<NOtnlarkinSPAM@iparagon.net> wrote:

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
news:Y-KdnYWEQP5XQjTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@rcn.net...

I've stared at this until I've driven myself into a depression. So then I
dragged some good friends into it, and they've gone cross-eyed.

Now I'm inviting comments from the world-at-large. (g)

What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW service, NEVER
lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace in VA, having married 3
separate women with the same given names, only the middle of whom left a
death record, and only the first and 2nd left a marriage record?

There are numerous other details, but that's the broad picture, and what
I'm after here is -- is this a common-as-dirt scenario, or it is a
one-of-a-kind, or is it neither rare nor frequent?

Thanks.

Cheryl

I think I'd probably go with neither/nor. Certainly not common, but not
impossible either. I'm not going to go through and count, but I'd guess I
have 4 or 5 men in my family tree, close to that timeframe and in the
VA/NC/KY area that have married two women with the same given name. Three
doesn't seem that unlikely to me. And if they're Marys or Sarahs, which it
sometimes seems about every 3rd female was, then your odds go up quite a
bit. Just my guess....<shrug

Definitely not impossible. In fact, the closer he stayed to where he
was born, the likelier it probably is.

You know how names ran in families in those days, and you would often
have cousins or second cousins with the same names. And people also
named children after friends and neighbours. I had a heck of a time
figuring out which of four young women with the same given AND
surname, born within a two year time span and living within a few
miles of one another was actually the one who married my
ggggrandfather.

My ladies were named Elizabeth. In my database, that is the second
most frequent women's name (after Mary).

I certainly have several ancestors who married two women with the same
given name. Three is not that much of a stretch.

--
Jane

clifto

Re: New POV needed, please?

Legg inn av clifto » 7. februar 2008 kl. 4.55

singhals wrote:
What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW
service, NEVER lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace
in VA, having married 3 separate women with the same given
names, only the middle of whom left a death record, and only
the first and 2nd left a marriage record?

It's not impossible. Of course it might help to know the given name involved,
as it might be more likely for three Sarahs than for three Zflgnrbs.

--
God help us all,
The next President of the United States will be a liberal.

Lesley Robertson

Re: New POV needed, please?

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 7. februar 2008 kl. 10.40

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
news:Y-KdnYWEQP5XQjTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@rcn.net...
I've stared at this until I've driven myself into a depression. So then I
dragged some good friends into it, and they've gone cross-eyed.

Now I'm inviting comments from the world-at-large. (g)

What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW service, NEVER
lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace in VA, having married 3
separate women with the same given names, only the middle of whom left a
death record, and only the first and 2nd left a marriage record?

There are numerous other details, but that's the broad picture, and what
I'm after here is -- is this a common-as-dirt scenario, or it is a
one-of-a-kind, or is it neither rare nor frequent?

In communities where everyone was called for a family member, and some
forenames were very common (I'd love a pound for every Isabella or James in
my databases) it's likely. You have, of course, one of the laws of genealogy
which requires that if a situation can be obscured or made complicated,
somebody in a given family tree will have done it.
I've got a chap who was born in England, moved to the jute mills in Scotland
as a teenager and stayed there, except that he went back to his birthplace
to find each of his 3 wives, 2 of whom were cousins and 2 of whom (1 cousin
and the other one) had the same forename.... Took me ages to sort that one.
At one point I thought he had 4 wives since the cousin with the different
forename was variously known as Isabel and Isabella, but unless he was a
bigamist, they must be the same woman.
If it was easy, it wouldn't be fun!
Lesley Robertson

Judy Arnold

Re: New POV needed, please?

Legg inn av Judy Arnold » 8. februar 2008 kl. 1.46

Johnny Carson had several wives and they were all named forms of
Johanna, Joanne etc.
Judy


Lesley Robertson wrote:
"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
news:Y-KdnYWEQP5XQjTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@rcn.net...

I've stared at this until I've driven myself into a depression. So then I
dragged some good friends into it, and they've gone cross-eyed.

Now I'm inviting comments from the world-at-large. (g)

What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW service, NEVER
lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace in VA, having married 3
separate women with the same given names, only the middle of whom left a
death record, and only the first and 2nd left a marriage record?

There are numerous other details, but that's the broad picture, and what
I'm after here is -- is this a common-as-dirt scenario, or it is a
one-of-a-kind, or is it neither rare nor frequent?


In communities where everyone was called for a family member, and some
forenames were very common (I'd love a pound for every Isabella or James in
my databases) it's likely. You have, of course, one of the laws of genealogy
which requires that if a situation can be obscured or made complicated,
somebody in a given family tree will have done it.
I've got a chap who was born in England, moved to the jute mills in Scotland
as a teenager and stayed there, except that he went back to his birthplace
to find each of his 3 wives, 2 of whom were cousins and 2 of whom (1 cousin
and the other one) had the same forename.... Took me ages to sort that one.
At one point I thought he had 4 wives since the cousin with the different
forename was variously known as Isabel and Isabella, but unless he was a
bigamist, they must be the same woman.
If it was easy, it wouldn't be fun!
Lesley Robertson




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brenda parker

Re: New POV needed, please?

Legg inn av brenda parker » 8. februar 2008 kl. 2.18

Hey it could be worse. I have 4 Andrew Jackson Pool males born between
1880-1885 and they are all cousins.

On 2/7/08, Judy Arnold <judith@omuonline.net> wrote:
Johnny Carson had several wives and they were all named forms of
Johanna, Joanne etc.
Judy


Lesley Robertson wrote:
"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
news:Y-KdnYWEQP5XQjTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@rcn.net...

I've stared at this until I've driven myself into a depression. So
then I
dragged some good friends into it, and they've gone cross-eyed.

Now I'm inviting comments from the world-at-large. (g)

What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW service, NEVER
lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace in VA, having married 3
separate women with the same given names, only the middle of whom left
a
death record, and only the first and 2nd left a marriage record?

There are numerous other details, but that's the broad picture, and
what
I'm after here is -- is this a common-as-dirt scenario, or it is a
one-of-a-kind, or is it neither rare nor frequent?


In communities where everyone was called for a family member, and some
forenames were very common (I'd love a pound for every Isabella or James
in
my databases) it's likely. You have, of course, one of the laws of
genealogy
which requires that if a situation can be obscured or made complicated,
somebody in a given family tree will have done it.
I've got a chap who was born in England, moved to the jute mills in
Scotland
as a teenager and stayed there, except that he went back to his
birthplace
to find each of his 3 wives, 2 of whom were cousins and 2 of whom (1
cousin
and the other one) had the same forename.... Took me ages to sort that
one.
At one point I thought he had 4 wives since the cousin with the
different
forename was variously known as Isabel and Isabella, but unless he was a
bigamist, they must be the same woman.
If it was easy, it wouldn't be fun!
Lesley Robertson




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clifto

Re: New POV needed, please?

Legg inn av clifto » 8. februar 2008 kl. 16.16

brenda parker wrote:
Hey it could be worse. I have 4 Andrew Jackson Pool males born between
1880-1885 and they are all cousins.

Now that you mention it, I've got a few John Sharps, a few Thomas Sharps,
and two David Sharps that are driving me absolutely bonkers.

--
God help us all,
The next President of the United States will be a liberal Democrat,
'cause we're down to PIAPS, B. Hussein or "Mumps" McCain.

singhals

Re: New POV needed, please?

Legg inn av singhals » 9. februar 2008 kl. 16.42

singhals wrote:

I've stared at this until I've driven myself into a depression. So then
I dragged some good friends into it, and they've gone cross-eyed.

Now I'm inviting comments from the world-at-large. (g)

What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW service, NEVER
lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace in VA, having married 3
separate women with the same given names, only the middle of whom left a
death record, and only the first and 2nd left a marriage record?

There are numerous other details, but that's the broad picture, and what
I'm after here is -- is this a common-as-dirt scenario, or it is a
one-of-a-kind, or is it neither rare nor frequent?

Thanks.

Cheryl


Thanks, everyone on-list and off-

Consensus seems to be -- neither/nor. I was afraid of that. (g)

Cheryl

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