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matthew

Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av matthew » 21 des 2007 07:50:07

Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know
about these things.

My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy.

He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years,
and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in
his life (nor had any of his family for many generations).

So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that
is what I think, or Albanian as he claims?

I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in
Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally
Chinese.

Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official"
ruling is on this question.

Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help.

Sincerely,
Matthew

Charani

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Charani » 21 des 2007 08:59:30

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:49:03 -0800 (PST), matthew wrote:

So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that
is what I think, or Albanian as he claims?

Albanian.

--
http://home.comcast.net/~webact1/Collingridge/

matthew

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av matthew » 21 des 2007 09:10:10

On Dec 20, 9:59 pm, Charani <SGBNOSPAM@ mail2genes.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:49:03 -0800 (PST), matthew wrote:
So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that
is what I think, or Albanian as he claims?

Albanian.

--http://home.comcast.net/~webact1/Collingridge/

Ok 1 vote for Albanian. Thanks.

Anne Chambers

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Anne Chambers » 21 des 2007 09:55:06

matthew wrote:
Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know
about these things.

My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy.

He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years,
and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in
his life (nor had any of his family for many generations).

So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that
is what I think, or Albanian as he claims?

I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in
Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally
Chinese.

Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official"
ruling is on this question.

Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help.

Sincerely,
Matthew

Where was he born ? If he was born in Italy, that makes him Italian.

--
Anne Chambers,
South Australia
anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

matthew

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av matthew » 21 des 2007 10:00:04

On Dec 20, 10:54 pm, Anne Chambers <a...@privacy.net> wrote:
matthew wrote:
Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know
about these things.

My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy.

He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years,
and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in
his life (nor had any of his family for many generations).

So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that
is what I think, or Albanian as he claims?

I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in
Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally
Chinese.

Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official"
ruling is on this question.

Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help.

Sincerely,
Matthew

Where was he born ? If he was born in Italy, that makes him Italian.

--
Anne Chambers,
South Australia
anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

1 Vote Italian! Cool.

I do not have the specific area, but it was in Bari, Italy. So, I am
with you in the thinking that he is Italian. Maybe he would be called,
an Italian-born, Albanian? Maybe... I just do not know if there is a
standard convention for this.

Thanks so far for all of your Answers!

Anne Chambers

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Anne Chambers » 21 des 2007 10:20:07

matthew wrote:
On Dec 20, 10:54 pm, Anne Chambers <a...@privacy.net> wrote:

Where was he born ? If he was born in Italy, that makes him Italian.

--
Anne Chambers,
South Australia
anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

1 Vote Italian! Cool.

I do not have the specific area, but it was in Bari, Italy. So, I am
with you in the thinking that he is Italian. Maybe he would be called,
an Italian-born, Albanian? Maybe... I just do not know if there is a
standard convention for this.

Thanks so far for all of your Answers!

Possibly he might have dual citizenship, but this is unlikely if the
family haven't lived in Albania for generations. He would be an Italian
of Albanian extraction or an Italian of Albanian ancestry. What he
considers himself to be, culturally, is a completely different matter.
--
Anne Chambers,
South Australia
anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

matthew

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av matthew » 21 des 2007 10:30:08

On Dec 20, 11:17 pm, Anne Chambers <a...@privacy.net> wrote:
matthew wrote:
On Dec 20, 10:54 pm, Anne Chambers <a...@privacy.net> wrote:
Where was he born ? If he was born in Italy, that makes him Italian.

--
Anne Chambers,
South Australia
anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

1 Vote Italian! Cool.

I do not have the specific area, but it was in Bari, Italy. So, I am
with you in the thinking that he is Italian. Maybe he would be called,
an Italian-born, Albanian? Maybe... I just do not know if there is a
standard convention for this.

Thanks so far for all of your Answers!

Possibly he might have dual citizenship, but this is unlikely if the
family haven't lived in Albania for generations. He would be an Italian
of Albanian extraction or an Italian of Albanian ancestry. What he
considers himself to be, culturally, is a completely different matter.
--
Anne Chambers,
South Australia
anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

Thanks Anne, yes, Culturally is another thing all together. I like
your examples, I am pretty sure, he did not have dual citizenship.

Thanks for your input!

Matthew

Anne Chambers

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Anne Chambers » 21 des 2007 10:35:08

Anne Chambers wrote:

Possibly he might have dual citizenship, but this is unlikely if the
family haven't lived in Albania for generations. He would be an Italian
of Albanian extraction or an Italian of Albanian ancestry. What he
considers himself to be, culturally, is a completely different matter.

To be pedantic...that should probably be 'an Italian *with* Albanian
ancestry' or 'an Italian *of* Albanian descent' :)

--
Anne Chambers,
South Australia
anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

Steve Hayes

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 21 des 2007 11:35:07

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:01:42 +1030, Anne Chambers <anne@privacy.net> wrote:

To be pedantic...that should probably be 'an Italian *with* Albanian
ancestry' or 'an Italian *of* Albanian descent' :)

Or Albanian-Italian, like Albanian-American or African-American.



--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
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Steve Hayes

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 21 des 2007 11:36:09

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:49:03 -0800 (PST), matthew <matthew.ciuccio@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know
about these things.

My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy.

He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years,
and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in
his life (nor had any of his family for many generations).

So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that
is what I think, or Albanian as he claims?

I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in
Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally
Chinese.

Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official"
ruling is on this question.

He's Italian.

If he's Albanian, I'm British, because my ancestors came from Britain a few
years ago, but I don't think a Brit immigration officer would take kindly to
that argument.


--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Peter

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Peter » 21 des 2007 16:40:56

He is, without a doubt Italian, with Albanian roots.

Peter. G

"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:49:03 -0800 (PST), matthew
matthew.ciuccio@gmail.com
wrote:

Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know
about these things.

My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy.

He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years,
and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in
his life (nor had any of his family for many generations).

So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that
is what I think, or Albanian as he claims?

I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in
Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally
Chinese.

Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official"
ruling is on this question.

He's Italian.

If he's Albanian, I'm British, because my ancestors came from Britain a
few
years ago, but I don't think a Brit immigration officer would take kindly
to
that argument.


--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Robert Melson

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 21 des 2007 17:39:10

In article <8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886eaa4a@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
matthew <matthew.ciuccio@gmail.com> writes:
Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know
about these things.

My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy.

He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years,
and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in
his life (nor had any of his family for many generations).

So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that
is what I think, or Albanian as he claims?

I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in
Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally
Chinese.

Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official"
ruling is on this question.

Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help.

Sincerely,
Matthew

Don't confuse where he was born (Italy) with whom he was
born to. Unless the Italians deny Italian citizenship to
the Italian-born children of foreigners living in the country,
then he's Italian by birth. That's nationality and a matter
of law. On the other hand, if his progenitors, back to when-
ever the family came to Italy, consider themselves Albanian and
he has been brought up steeped in the culture, traditions and
language of Albania, if he believes himself to BE Albanian, then
he's Albanian. This has nothing to do with nationality, but with
culture/ethnicity.

What do you call him? I'd say Albanio-Italian or some such other
hyphenated description combining the ethnic with the nationality.

Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford

matthew

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av matthew » 21 des 2007 18:45:07

On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote:
In article <8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes:



Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know
about these things.

My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy.

He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years,
and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in
his life (nor had any of his family for many generations).

So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that
is what I think, or Albanian as he claims?

I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in
Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally
Chinese.

Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official"
ruling is on this question.

Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help.

Sincerely,
Matthew

Don't confuse where he was born (Italy) with whom he was
born to. Unless the Italians deny Italian citizenship to
the Italian-born children of foreigners living in the country,
then he's Italian by birth. That's nationality and a matter
of law. On the other hand, if his progenitors, back to when-
ever the family came to Italy, consider themselves Albanian and
he has been brought up steeped in the culture, traditions and
language of Albania, if he believes himself to BE Albanian, then
he's Albanian. This has nothing to do with nationality, but with
culture/ethnicity.

What do you call him? I'd say Albanio-Italian or some such other
hyphenated description combining the ethnic with the nationality.

Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford

Thank you all so much for your reply gives me a lot of food for
thought. One of the reasons I ask this is because I am getting married
this Sunday, and well, my family tree will be merging with my
finances. On this I like is to say I am 75% Italian (My dad's mom and
dad's dad are both from Italy and my mom's dad, the Albanio-Italian in
question is from Italy) and well grandma Murphy gives me 25% Irish. SO
I like saying I am 75%/25% Irish and Italian. My finance get 100%
Italian from her mom and dad's family. Therefore, in short, it seems
out children would be 50% Italian from her side my side they get
37.5% Italian and 12.5% Irish giving them a grand total of 87.5%
Italian and 12.5% Irish.

I know this is highly simplistic, and doesn't go too many generations
back, but I suppose it works for now. I just really wanted to see if I
needed to be in the Albanian percentage. So I suppose when I say I am
75%Italian and 25% Irish that is nationally for sure, culturally, I
get a dash of Albania.

Ok thank you everyone!

-Matthew

Allen

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Allen » 21 des 2007 21:15:32

matthew wrote:
On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote:
In article <8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes:



Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know
about these things.
My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy.
snip

Sorry to throw this in, but whenever Albania is mentioned one of my
favorite episodes of "Cheers" pops into my mind and won't go away,
thanks to Coach's song. Even if I hadn't known it before I don't think I
could ever forget that Albania borders on the Adriatic and its chief
export is tin.
Allen

Rip

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Rip » 21 des 2007 23:04:37

"Anne Chambers" <anne@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:5t1ffvF1bqhcjU1@mid.individual.net...
Anne Chambers wrote:


Possibly he might have dual citizenship, but this is unlikely if
the
family haven't lived in Albania for generations. He would be an
Italian
of Albanian extraction or an Italian of Albanian ancestry. What he
considers himself to be, culturally, is a completely different
matter.

To be pedantic...that should probably be 'an Italian *with* Albanian
ancestry' or 'an Italian *of* Albanian descent' :)

But he already said that he was born in Italy and many of his past
generations were born in Italy.

Am I German because someone moved here from Germany in the 1880's? And
all his decedents were born in the US?

Rip

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Rip » 21 des 2007 23:12:20

"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:p06nm3li7biip2r313b1ogtt0ldt6p6k3q@4ax.com...
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:01:42 +1030, Anne Chambers <anne@privacy.net
wrote:

To be pedantic...that should probably be 'an Italian *with* Albanian
ancestry' or 'an Italian *of* Albanian descent' :)

Or Albanian-Italian, like Albanian-American or African-American.

That means a person is of every nation one of his ancestors was born
in. Present day people would have hundreds of names. Joe - he's a
American-Irish-German-Spanish-Portuguese, etc. for a hundred or so
nations.

matthew

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av matthew » 21 des 2007 23:55:09

That is true. I also have no knowledge of Albania. Since my
grandfather died long sgo/ Cheers is also my main source of info on
that country.

Thanks.
Matthew
Allen wrote:
matthew wrote:
On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote:
In article <8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes:



Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know
about these things.
My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy.
snip
Sorry to throw this in, but whenever Albania is mentioned one of my
favorite episodes of "Cheers" pops into my mind and won't go away,
thanks to Coach's song. Even if I hadn't known it before I don't think I
could ever forget that Albania borders on the Adriatic and its chief
export is tin.
Allen

Anne Chambers

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Anne Chambers » 22 des 2007 00:05:23

Rip wrote:
"Anne Chambers" <anne@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:5t1ffvF1bqhcjU1@mid.individual.net...
Anne Chambers wrote:

Possibly he might have dual citizenship, but this is unlikely if
the
family haven't lived in Albania for generations. He would be an
Italian
of Albanian extraction or an Italian of Albanian ancestry. What he
considers himself to be, culturally, is a completely different
matter.
To be pedantic...that should probably be 'an Italian *with* Albanian
ancestry' or 'an Italian *of* Albanian descent' :)

But he already said that he was born in Italy and many of his past
generations were born in Italy.

Am I German because someone moved here from Germany in the 1880's? And
all his decedents were born in the US?


No - that's what I am saying. He is Italian. With Albanian

ancestry...which is obviously important to him.

--
Anne Chambers,
South Australia
anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

clifto

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av clifto » 22 des 2007 00:15:46

Rip wrote:
Am I German because someone moved here from Germany in the 1880's? And
all his decedents were born in the US?

And there's another unfortunate misspelling that could start another
subthread. Where were the decedents interned?

--
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.

Bruce Remick

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Bruce Remick » 22 des 2007 02:44:29

"matthew" <matthew.ciuccio@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5d1fc9c9-6a52-482e-98a6-f47c9ee41492@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote:
In article
8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d2 ... groups.com>,
matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes:



Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know
about these things.

My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy.

He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years,
and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in
his life (nor had any of his family for many generations).

So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that
is what I think, or Albanian as he claims?

I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in
Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally
Chinese.

Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official"
ruling is on this question.

Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help.

Sincerely,
Matthew

Don't confuse where he was born (Italy) with whom he was
born to. Unless the Italians deny Italian citizenship to
the Italian-born children of foreigners living in the country,
then he's Italian by birth. That's nationality and a matter
of law. On the other hand, if his progenitors, back to when-
ever the family came to Italy, consider themselves Albanian and
he has been brought up steeped in the culture, traditions and
language of Albania, if he believes himself to BE Albanian, then
he's Albanian. This has nothing to do with nationality, but with
culture/ethnicity.

What do you call him? I'd say Albanio-Italian or some such other
hyphenated description combining the ethnic with the nationality.

Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford

Thank you all so much for your reply gives me a lot of food for
thought. One of the reasons I ask this is because I am getting married
this Sunday, and well, my family tree will be merging with my
finances. On this I like is to say I am 75% Italian (My dad's mom and
dad's dad are both from Italy and my mom's dad, the Albanio-Italian in
question is from Italy) and well grandma Murphy gives me 25% Irish. SO
I like saying I am 75%/25% Irish and Italian. My finance get 100%
Italian from her mom and dad's family. Therefore, in short, it seems
out children would be 50% Italian from her side my side they get
37.5% Italian and 12.5% Irish giving them a grand total of 87.5%
Italian and 12.5% Irish.

When you start recording decimal places, you've gone way too far with all
this.

Bruce

Henry Brownlee

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Henry Brownlee » 22 des 2007 03:19:57

"clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:22ut35-nfq.ln1@remote.clifto.com...
| Rip wrote:
| > Am I German because someone moved here from Germany in the 1880's? And
| > all his decedents were born in the US?
|
| And there's another unfortunate misspelling that could start another
| subthread. Where were the decedents interned?

Here we go again! But we should all be inured to Clifto's comments by now!

Henry
Scots-Irish-German-Dutch American Mutt

Hugh Watkins

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 22 des 2007 14:01:50

Anne Chambers wrote:

Rip wrote:

"Anne Chambers" <anne@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:5t1ffvF1bqhcjU1@mid.individual.net...

Anne Chambers wrote:

Possibly he might have dual citizenship, but this is unlikely if the
family haven't lived in Albania for generations. He would be an
Italian
of Albanian extraction or an Italian of Albanian ancestry. What he
considers himself to be, culturally, is a completely different matter.

To be pedantic...that should probably be 'an Italian *with* Albanian
ancestry' or 'an Italian *of* Albanian descent' :)


But he already said that he was born in Italy and many of his past
generations were born in Italy.

Am I German because someone moved here from Germany in the 1880's? And
all his decedents were born in the US?


No - that's what I am saying. He is Italian. With Albanian
ancestry...which is obviously important to him.


It is a personal choice

I was born in England but I am 11/16 welsh and 5/16 english so far

after 25 years there I am very much a Copenhagener but never will be a
dane evenn though I am bilingual in Danish

I regard myself as a European with a welsh background

I have worked as a professional musician in England Wales Scotland,
Northrtn Ireland, Éire, Faeroe Islands, Norway Sweden Denmark Germany
Netherlands Switzerland, Prague when it was Czechoslovakia, and Austria
being paid travel cost, hotel and a fee is the best way to go:-)

I paid to visit Iceland, France and Spain so they don't count
I get half an old age pension from UK and half from DK


I only wish they both used the Euro

Hugh W










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Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 22 des 2007 14:03:36

Bruce Remick wrote:

"matthew" <matthew.ciuccio@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote:

In article
8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d2 ... groups.com>,
matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes:




Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know
about these things.

My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy.

He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years,
and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in
his life (nor had any of his family for many generations).

So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that
is what I think, or Albanian as he claims?

I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in
Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally
Chinese.

Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official"
ruling is on this question.

Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help.

Sincerely,
Matthew

Don't confuse where he was born (Italy) with whom he was
born to. Unless the Italians deny Italian citizenship to
the Italian-born children of foreigners living in the country,
then he's Italian by birth. That's nationality and a matter
of law. On the other hand, if his progenitors, back to when-
ever the family came to Italy, consider themselves Albanian and
he has been brought up steeped in the culture, traditions and
language of Albania, if he believes himself to BE Albanian, then
he's Albanian. This has nothing to do with nationality, but with
culture/ethnicity.

What do you call him? I'd say Albanio-Italian or some such other
hyphenated description combining the ethnic with the nationality.

Bob

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reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford

Thank you all so much for your reply gives me a lot of food for
thought. One of the reasons I ask this is because I am getting married
this Sunday, and well, my family tree will be merging with my
finances. On this I like is to say I am 75% Italian (My dad's mom and
dad's dad are both from Italy and my mom's dad, the Albanio-Italian in
question is from Italy) and well grandma Murphy gives me 25% Irish. SO
I like saying I am 75%/25% Irish and Italian. My finance get 100%
Italian from her mom and dad's family. Therefore, in short, it seems
out children would be 50% Italian from her side my side they get
37.5% Italian and 12.5% Irish giving them a grand total of 87.5%
Italian and 12.5% Irish.


When you start recording decimal places, you've gone way too far with all
this.

fractions like sixteenths and thirtyseconds make more sense

Hugh W


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singhals

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av singhals » 22 des 2007 15:58:24

Henry Brownlee wrote:

"clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:22ut35-nfq.ln1@remote.clifto.com...
| Rip wrote:
| > Am I German because someone moved here from Germany in the 1880's? And
| > all his decedents were born in the US?
|
| And there's another unfortunate misspelling that could start another
| subthread. Where were the decedents interned?

Here we go again! But we should all be inured to Clifto's comments by now!

Ah-ha! No fun if you type it right, Henry!

Cheryl

singhals

Re: Albanian or Italian that is the question.

Legg inn av singhals » 22 des 2007 16:00:36

Bruce Remick wrote:

"matthew" <matthew.ciuccio@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5d1fc9c9-6a52-482e-98a6-f47c9ee41492@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote:

In article
8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d2 ... groups.com>,
matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes:




Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know
about these things.

My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy.

He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years,
and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in
his life (nor had any of his family for many generations).

So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that
is what I think, or Albanian as he claims?

I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in
Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally
Chinese.

Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official"
ruling is on this question.

Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help.

Sincerely,
Matthew

Don't confuse where he was born (Italy) with whom he was
born to. Unless the Italians deny Italian citizenship to
the Italian-born children of foreigners living in the country,
then he's Italian by birth. That's nationality and a matter
of law. On the other hand, if his progenitors, back to when-
ever the family came to Italy, consider themselves Albanian and
he has been brought up steeped in the culture, traditions and
language of Albania, if he believes himself to BE Albanian, then
he's Albanian. This has nothing to do with nationality, but with
culture/ethnicity.

What do you call him? I'd say Albanio-Italian or some such other
hyphenated description combining the ethnic with the nationality.

Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford

Thank you all so much for your reply gives me a lot of food for
thought. One of the reasons I ask this is because I am getting married
this Sunday, and well, my family tree will be merging with my
finances. On this I like is to say I am 75% Italian (My dad's mom and
dad's dad are both from Italy and my mom's dad, the Albanio-Italian in
question is from Italy) and well grandma Murphy gives me 25% Irish. SO
I like saying I am 75%/25% Irish and Italian. My finance get 100%
Italian from her mom and dad's family. Therefore, in short, it seems
out children would be 50% Italian from her side my side they get
37.5% Italian and 12.5% Irish giving them a grand total of 87.5%
Italian and 12.5% Irish.


When you start recording decimal places, you've gone way too far with all
this.

Bruce

Mebbe he should add another fifth of Irish? Oh, wait, no,
another half-?

Cheryl

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