Obscure relative titles
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Obscure relative titles
http://www.cafepress.com/yojay/4232846
I made these designs for my online shop but I was looking for other,
more obscure, relative titles. I plan to add a line of "Once removed"
and "Twice removed" designs to the cousins, but that's about it. I
searched for obscure relative titles but couldn't come up with much
more than these. Is there a site or table that shows all possible
relations?
I made these designs for my online shop but I was looking for other,
more obscure, relative titles. I plan to add a line of "Once removed"
and "Twice removed" designs to the cousins, but that's about it. I
searched for obscure relative titles but couldn't come up with much
more than these. Is there a site or table that shows all possible
relations?
Re: Obscure relative titles
yojay wrote:
It is not all that uncommon in my family for people to know first
cousins three times removed and second cousins three times removed.,
And my son became a quite keen "collector" of close cousins of his
ggggggg-grandparents etc, considering that enough interesting (in his
case, writers touching on his philosophical interests) first cousins
many times removed was as good as a single interesting first cousin no
times removed.
[...] I plan to add a line of "Once removed"
and "Twice removed" designs to the cousins, but that's about it. I
searched for obscure relative titles but couldn't come up with much
more than these. [...]
It is not all that uncommon in my family for people to know first
cousins three times removed and second cousins three times removed.,
And my son became a quite keen "collector" of close cousins of his
ggggggg-grandparents etc, considering that enough interesting (in his
case, writers touching on his philosophical interests) first cousins
many times removed was as good as a single interesting first cousin no
times removed.
Re: Obscure relative titles
try your genealogy program. My FTM routinely displays such associations. The
further back you go the more you will see this. The more lines you search adds
to the the amount of 1st cousin three times removed or 5 cousin once removed,
etc... appearing. Hopefully, you don't get both like some of my mother's West
Virginia relatives appear when I print out a report. 8>:
Mike in Ohio
yojay wrote:
further back you go the more you will see this. The more lines you search adds
to the the amount of 1st cousin three times removed or 5 cousin once removed,
etc... appearing. Hopefully, you don't get both like some of my mother's West
Virginia relatives appear when I print out a report. 8>:
Mike in Ohio
yojay wrote:
http://www.cafepress.com/yojay/4232846
I made these designs for my online shop but I was looking for other,
more obscure, relative titles. I plan to add a line of "Once removed"
and "Twice removed" designs to the cousins, but that's about it. I
searched for obscure relative titles but couldn't come up with much
more than these. Is there a site or table that shows all possible
relations?
Re: Obscure relative titles
"yojay" <yojay99@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a link to a chart showing relationships.
http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrel ... pchart.htm
Kevin
news:388e9d38-0d23-4884-ae25-7f3d6e9f34b8@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
http://www.cafepress.com/yojay/4232846
I made these designs for my online shop but I was looking for other,
more obscure, relative titles. I plan to add a line of "Once removed"
and "Twice removed" designs to the cousins, but that's about it. I
searched for obscure relative titles but couldn't come up with much
more than these. Is there a site or table that shows all possible
relations?
Here's a link to a chart showing relationships.
http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrel ... pchart.htm
Kevin
Re: Obscure relative titles
On Dec 11 2007, 8:29 pm, "k..." <jst...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Great stuff. Thanks for all the feedback.
"yojay" <yoja...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:388e9d38-0d23-4884-ae25-7f3d6e9f34b8@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
http://www.cafepress.com/yojay/4232846
I made these designs for my online shop but I was looking for other,
more obscure, relative titles. I plan to add a line of "Once removed"
and "Twice removed" designs to the cousins, but that's about it. I
searched for obscure relative titles but couldn't come up with much
more than these. Is there a site or table that shows all possible
relations?
Here's a link to a chart showing relationships.
http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrel ... pchart.htm
Kevin
Great stuff. Thanks for all the feedback.
Re: Obscure relative titles
"yojay" <yojay99@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 11 2007, 8:29 pm, "k..." <jst...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Great stuff. Thanks for all the feedback.
ATTN: Cheryl
Just to confuse the flatlanders, is there a site like the one mentioned
above that shows relationships like they figure them in bayou country???
There are several sites which show relationships like that one, but I have
never seen one that configures them like our brethren here in da swamps do.
Henri
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On Dec 11 2007, 8:29 pm, "k..." <jst...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
"yojay" <yoja...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:388e9d38-0d23-4884-ae25-7f3d6e9f34b8@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
http://www.cafepress.com/yojay/4232846
I made these designs for my online shop but I was looking for other,
more obscure, relative titles. I plan to add a line of "Once removed"
and "Twice removed" designs to the cousins, but that's about it. I
searched for obscure relative titles but couldn't come up with much
more than these. Is there a site or table that shows all possible
relations?
Here's a link to a chart showing relationships.
http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrel ... pchart.htm
Kevin
Great stuff. Thanks for all the feedback.
ATTN: Cheryl
Just to confuse the flatlanders, is there a site like the one mentioned
above that shows relationships like they figure them in bayou country???
There are several sites which show relationships like that one, but I have
never seen one that configures them like our brethren here in da swamps do.
Henri
Re: Obscure relative titles
"Henry Brownlee" <hfbrownl@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Why? What have I done to offend?
Lesley Robertson
news:Z0Inj.64846$_m.20487@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Just to confuse the flatlanders,
Why? What have I done to offend?
Lesley Robertson
Re: Obscure relative titles
"yojay" <yojay99@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 11 2007, 8:29 pm, "k..." <jst...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Yo! Jay!
Here's some you probably won't find on any relationship charts:
Half First Cousin
Double First Cousin
Cousin-In-Law
Brother-In-Law-In-Law (Sister,etc)
Ex-Husband (Wife)
Divorced But Still VERY Close Friend
OK! OK! So I made some of them up!
But the first two are real! When there are multiple marriages (or
relationships) the grandkids from one partner are Half First Cousins to the
grandkids from another. When family relationships are intertwined, there can
be Double First Cousins - i.e. two siblings marry two siblings (all four are
NOT from the same parents - not even in Luziane!) the children are Double
First Cousins to each other.
And there can be children who are also cousins to their parents: Loving Son
and First Cousin Once Removed of Mom, etc. There is no end of relationships
which one can conjure. Saveur!
Henri
news:cc830a67-6179-4df6-a83f-794455e2b2cb@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 11 2007, 8:29 pm, "k..." <jst...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
"yojay" <yoja...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:388e9d38-0d23-4884-ae25-7f3d6e9f34b8@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
http://www.cafepress.com/yojay/4232846
I made these designs for my online shop but I was looking for other,
more obscure, relative titles. I plan to add a line of "Once removed"
and "Twice removed" designs to the cousins, but that's about it. I
searched for obscure relative titles but couldn't come up with much
more than these. Is there a site or table that shows all possible
relations?
Here's a link to a chart showing relationships.
http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrel ... pchart.htm
Kevin
Great stuff. Thanks for all the feedback.
Yo! Jay!
Here's some you probably won't find on any relationship charts:
Half First Cousin
Double First Cousin
Cousin-In-Law
Brother-In-Law-In-Law (Sister,etc)
Ex-Husband (Wife)
Divorced But Still VERY Close Friend
OK! OK! So I made some of them up!
But the first two are real! When there are multiple marriages (or
relationships) the grandkids from one partner are Half First Cousins to the
grandkids from another. When family relationships are intertwined, there can
be Double First Cousins - i.e. two siblings marry two siblings (all four are
NOT from the same parents - not even in Luziane!) the children are Double
First Cousins to each other.
And there can be children who are also cousins to their parents: Loving Son
and First Cousin Once Removed of Mom, etc. There is no end of relationships
which one can conjure. Saveur!
Henri
Re: Obscure relative titles
"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
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|
| "Henry Brownlee" <hfbrownl@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
| news:Z0Inj.64846$_m.20487@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
| >
| > Just to confuse the flatlanders,
|
| Why? What have I done to offend?
|
| Lesley Robertson
|
Doc,
U hebt niets, beste meisje gedaan! Ik gekscheerde slechts.
Ye have doon nay thing, lass! Just joshing!
Hendrik
news:a8282$479f5418$83b4502b$18040@news2.tudelft.nl...
|
| "Henry Brownlee" <hfbrownl@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
| news:Z0Inj.64846$_m.20487@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
| >
| > Just to confuse the flatlanders,
|
| Why? What have I done to offend?
|
| Lesley Robertson
|
Doc,
U hebt niets, beste meisje gedaan! Ik gekscheerde slechts.
Ye have doon nay thing, lass! Just joshing!
Hendrik
Re: Obscure relative titles
I send out what I call "Family Factoids" periodically with little bits of
information I've gathered. regarding our family as I researched I keep it
very simple and send it out to nieces, nephews, my brother, my children,
etc.
I quote below one factoid about family relationships that I sent last
January as a little teaching vignette.
This is the scenario:
I have one sibling----a brother named Karon
He has a daughter named Charla and a grand-daughter named Molly.
I have a son named Gunter and a grand-daughter named Heidi.
Jack and Jill are hypothetical.
Warmest Regards, Donna
Okay, relationship factoid quoted below:
____________________________________
Hello----
Fear not; there are no pop-quizzes on factoids. You can read them and
forget them; or read them and think about them and then forget them; or read
and remember, whatever suits your personal interests. I swear I will never
ask you about them at some future time.
I pass along the information below so that next time you are watching Gone
With the Wind, you will be on the up and up with the vocabulary.
Have you heard someone say, "He's my second cousin, once removed"? I was
never really clear on what the "removed" part was until I started this
research into family history. I can explain it now as follows:
Consider this lineage:::::
Donna <siblings> Karon ---------- have the
same parents
Gunter <first cousins> Charla ---------- have the
same grandparents
Heidi <second cousins> Molly ---------- have the same
great grandparents
Because their parents are brother and sister, Gunter and Charla are first
cousins.
Because their grandparents are brother and sister, Heidi and Molly are
second cousins.
But what relationship is Gunter to Molly?
Gunter and Molly are of different generations, so (unless there is some
weird additional marrying going on) they cannot be first cousins and they
cannot be second cousins either. But they are "first cousins, once
removed." That is, Gunter and Charla have a first cousin relationship, and
Molly is one generation removed from that relationship..
Consider that Heidi has a son named Jack, and Molly has a daughter named
Jill:
Donna <siblings> Karon
Gunter <first cousins> Charla
Heidi <second cousins> Molly
Jack <third cousins> Jill
Jack and Jill would be third cousins. They are of the same generation.
But what is the relationship of Gunter to Jill? Gunter and Charla have a
first cousin relationship, but Jill is two generations from that
relationship.
So Gunter and Jill are said to be "first cousins, twice removed."
And what is the relationship between Heidi and Jill? Heidi and Molly have
a second cousin relationship, and Jill is one generation from that
relationship.
So Heidi and Jill are "second cousins, one removed."
And, by the way, what is the relationship between Heidi's hypothetical son
Jack and Karon? Jack is Karon's "great grand-nephew," and Karon is
Jack's great grand-uncle."
There's the bell for lunch. Don't push as you leave the room. No running
in the hall.
Love,
Mom / Donna / Aunt Donna
information I've gathered. regarding our family as I researched I keep it
very simple and send it out to nieces, nephews, my brother, my children,
etc.
I quote below one factoid about family relationships that I sent last
January as a little teaching vignette.
This is the scenario:
I have one sibling----a brother named Karon
He has a daughter named Charla and a grand-daughter named Molly.
I have a son named Gunter and a grand-daughter named Heidi.
Jack and Jill are hypothetical.
Warmest Regards, Donna
Okay, relationship factoid quoted below:
____________________________________
Hello----
Fear not; there are no pop-quizzes on factoids. You can read them and
forget them; or read them and think about them and then forget them; or read
and remember, whatever suits your personal interests. I swear I will never
ask you about them at some future time.
I pass along the information below so that next time you are watching Gone
With the Wind, you will be on the up and up with the vocabulary.
Have you heard someone say, "He's my second cousin, once removed"? I was
never really clear on what the "removed" part was until I started this
research into family history. I can explain it now as follows:
Consider this lineage:::::
Donna <siblings> Karon ---------- have the
same parents
Gunter <first cousins> Charla ---------- have the
same grandparents
Heidi <second cousins> Molly ---------- have the same
great grandparents
Because their parents are brother and sister, Gunter and Charla are first
cousins.
Because their grandparents are brother and sister, Heidi and Molly are
second cousins.
But what relationship is Gunter to Molly?
Gunter and Molly are of different generations, so (unless there is some
weird additional marrying going on) they cannot be first cousins and they
cannot be second cousins either. But they are "first cousins, once
removed." That is, Gunter and Charla have a first cousin relationship, and
Molly is one generation removed from that relationship..
Consider that Heidi has a son named Jack, and Molly has a daughter named
Jill:
Donna <siblings> Karon
Gunter <first cousins> Charla
Heidi <second cousins> Molly
Jack <third cousins> Jill
Jack and Jill would be third cousins. They are of the same generation.
But what is the relationship of Gunter to Jill? Gunter and Charla have a
first cousin relationship, but Jill is two generations from that
relationship.
So Gunter and Jill are said to be "first cousins, twice removed."
And what is the relationship between Heidi and Jill? Heidi and Molly have
a second cousin relationship, and Jill is one generation from that
relationship.
So Heidi and Jill are "second cousins, one removed."
And, by the way, what is the relationship between Heidi's hypothetical son
Jack and Karon? Jack is Karon's "great grand-nephew," and Karon is
Jack's great grand-uncle."
There's the bell for lunch. Don't push as you leave the room. No running
in the hall.
Love,
Mom / Donna / Aunt Donna
Re: Obscure relative titles
Henry Brownlee wrote:
I remember hearin' about an ex-half-brother ... I was NEVER
certain I had the mechanics of that down!
Bon Carnival!! You donatin' a chicken this year?
Cheryl
"yojay" <yojay99@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cc830a67-6179-4df6-a83f-794455e2b2cb@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 11 2007, 8:29 pm, "k..." <jst...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
"yojay" <yoja...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:388e9d38-0d23-4884-ae25-7f3d6e9f34b8@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
http://www.cafepress.com/yojay/4232846
I made these designs for my online shop but I was looking for other,
more obscure, relative titles. I plan to add a line of "Once removed"
and "Twice removed" designs to the cousins, but that's about it. I
searched for obscure relative titles but couldn't come up with much
more than these. Is there a site or table that shows all possible
relations?
Here's a link to a chart showing relationships.
http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrel ... pchart.htm
Kevin
Great stuff. Thanks for all the feedback.
Yo! Jay!
Here's some you probably won't find on any relationship charts:
Half First Cousin
Double First Cousin
Cousin-In-Law
Brother-In-Law-In-Law (Sister,etc)
Ex-Husband (Wife)
Divorced But Still VERY Close Friend
OK! OK! So I made some of them up!
But the first two are real! When there are multiple marriages (or
relationships) the grandkids from one partner are Half First Cousins to the
grandkids from another. When family relationships are intertwined, there can
be Double First Cousins - i.e. two siblings marry two siblings (all four are
NOT from the same parents - not even in Luziane!) the children are Double
First Cousins to each other.
And there can be children who are also cousins to their parents: Loving Son
and First Cousin Once Removed of Mom, etc. There is no end of relationships
which one can conjure. Saveur!
I remember hearin' about an ex-half-brother ... I was NEVER
certain I had the mechanics of that down!
Bon Carnival!! You donatin' a chicken this year?
Cheryl
Re: Obscure relative titles
Henry Brownlee wrote:
Heck, I can't even find a site that gives the "cannon"
relationships. I bin a-wonderin' tho -- are you
cannon-cousins when her Daddy outranked his and so had
sumtin biggern a shotgun?
Cheryl
"yojay" <yojay99@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 11 2007, 8:29 pm, "k..." <jst...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
"yojay" <yoja...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:388e9d38-0d23-4884-ae25-7f3d6e9f34b8@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
http://www.cafepress.com/yojay/4232846
I made these designs for my online shop but I was looking for other,
more obscure, relative titles. I plan to add a line of "Once removed"
and "Twice removed" designs to the cousins, but that's about it. I
searched for obscure relative titles but couldn't come up with much
more than these. Is there a site or table that shows all possible
relations?
Here's a link to a chart showing relationships.
http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrel ... pchart.htm
Kevin
Great stuff. Thanks for all the feedback.
ATTN: Cheryl
Just to confuse the flatlanders, is there a site like the one mentioned
above that shows relationships like they figure them in bayou country???
There are several sites which show relationships like that one, but I have
never seen one that configures them like our brethren here in da swamps do.
Henri
Heck, I can't even find a site that gives the "cannon"
relationships. I bin a-wonderin' tho -- are you
cannon-cousins when her Daddy outranked his and so had
sumtin biggern a shotgun?
Cheryl
Re: Obscure relative titles
"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
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|
| Heck, I can't even find a site that gives the "cannon"
| relationships. I bin a-wonderin' tho -- are you
| cannon-cousins when her Daddy outranked his and so had
| sumtin biggern a shotgun?
|
| Cheryl
Banged if I know!
Henri
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|
| Heck, I can't even find a site that gives the "cannon"
| relationships. I bin a-wonderin' tho -- are you
| cannon-cousins when her Daddy outranked his and so had
| sumtin biggern a shotgun?
|
| Cheryl
Banged if I know!
Henri
Re: Obscure relative titles
"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
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||
| I remember hearin' about an ex-half-brother ... I was NEVER
| certain I had the mechanics of that down!
Trying to confuse me?? You've succeeded!
|
| Bon Carnival!! You donatin' a chicken this year?
|
| Cheryl
|
Only if someone comes up my porch on horseback! Yipes! Only
six days to go!
Henri
news:-fKdnTd6QYS8MT3anZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@rcn.net...
||
| I remember hearin' about an ex-half-brother ... I was NEVER
| certain I had the mechanics of that down!
Trying to confuse me?? You've succeeded!
|
| Bon Carnival!! You donatin' a chicken this year?
|
| Cheryl
|
Only if someone comes up my porch on horseback! Yipes! Only
six days to go!
Henri
Re: Obscure relative titles
"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
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| I remember hearin' about an ex-half-brother ... I was NEVER
| certain I had the mechanics of that down!
|
| Cheryl
|
I could understand if it was an ex-step-brother. I have two ex-step-sisters;
my mother and step-father divorced. (Perhaps a nicer term is former
step-sisters? ) But how about if they hadn't divorced and were still married
when one died. Would the girls still be my step-sisters? I would think so,
anyway.
Henri
news:-fKdnTd6QYS8MT3anZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@rcn.net...
| I remember hearin' about an ex-half-brother ... I was NEVER
| certain I had the mechanics of that down!
|
| Cheryl
|
I could understand if it was an ex-step-brother. I have two ex-step-sisters;
my mother and step-father divorced. (Perhaps a nicer term is former
step-sisters? ) But how about if they hadn't divorced and were still married
when one died. Would the girls still be my step-sisters? I would think so,
anyway.
Henri
Re: Obscure relative titles
"Henry Brownlee" wrote:
My brother holds, firmly, that Katherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn
were step-mothers of Edward VI.
[...] I have two ex-step-sisters;
my mother and step-father divorced. (Perhaps a nicer term is former
step-sisters? ) But how about if they hadn't divorced and were still married
when one died. Would the girls still be my step-sisters? I would think so,
anyway.
My brother holds, firmly, that Katherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn
were step-mothers of Edward VI.
Re: Obscure relative titles
Henry Brownlee wrote:
I have an ex-brother. Stinker had the colossal nerve to go and die on me.
Just for that I've never spoken to him again.
--
God help us all,
The next President of the United States will be a liberal.
"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
news:-fKdnTd6QYS8MT3anZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@rcn.net...
| I remember hearin' about an ex-half-brother ... I was NEVER
| certain I had the mechanics of that down!
|
| Cheryl
|
I could understand if it was an ex-step-brother. I have two ex-step-sisters;
my mother and step-father divorced. (Perhaps a nicer term is former
step-sisters? ) But how about if they hadn't divorced and were still married
when one died. Would the girls still be my step-sisters? I would think so,
anyway.
I have an ex-brother. Stinker had the colossal nerve to go and die on me.
Just for that I've never spoken to him again.
--
God help us all,
The next President of the United States will be a liberal.
Re: Obscure relative titles
In article <As6oj.86243$L%6.33601@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
"Henry Brownlee" <hfbrownl@bellsouth.net> writes:
titles for obscure relatives or obscure titles for relatives?
Stupefied Ol' Bob
--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford
"Henry Brownlee" <hfbrownl@bellsouth.net> writes:
"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
news:-fKdnTd6QYS8MT3anZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@rcn.net...
| I remember hearin' about an ex-half-brother ... I was NEVER
| certain I had the mechanics of that down!
|
| Cheryl
|
I could understand if it was an ex-step-brother. I have two ex-step-sisters;
my mother and step-father divorced. (Perhaps a nicer term is former
step-sisters? ) But how about if they hadn't divorced and were still married
when one died. Would the girls still be my step-sisters? I would think so,
anyway.
Henri
Guess I'm confused by this thread. Are we asking about
titles for obscure relatives or obscure titles for relatives?
Stupefied Ol' Bob
--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford
Re: Obscure relative titles
"Robert Melson" <melsonr@aragorn.rgmhome.net> wrote in message
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|>
| Guess I'm confused by this thread. Are we asking about
| titles for obscure relatives or obscure titles for relatives?
|
| Stupefied Ol' Bob
|
| --
| Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
| -----
| Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
| reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford
|
Bob, Ol' Son,
The OP was apparently asking for obscure titles for relatives.
Then, again, if they need obscure titles, they must be
obscure relatives, wot?
BTW, went to his site - after somebody called him a spammer.
Guess he is, although he only asked for titles and wasn't pushing
his products in this venue.
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana
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| Guess I'm confused by this thread. Are we asking about
| titles for obscure relatives or obscure titles for relatives?
|
| Stupefied Ol' Bob
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| reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford
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Bob, Ol' Son,
The OP was apparently asking for obscure titles for relatives.
Then, again, if they need obscure titles, they must be
obscure relatives, wot?
BTW, went to his site - after somebody called him a spammer.
Guess he is, although he only asked for titles and wasn't pushing
his products in this venue.
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana
Re: Obscure relative titles
Bob M.wrote:
Well, I'm quite sure my previous reply digressed from OP's post. I admit
guilt, but not remorse.
I guess I'll follow precedent and digress again, but it's somewhat loosely
related::::::
I have come across men (let's say pre-1810) who had odd middle names---not
after family surnames, but more like a place name in that county. And his
brothers would have no middle name at all.
The story is (given by a reliable source that of course I can't remember)
that a few times when there were multiple names of, say, William Smythe, in
the county, to avoid confusion in tax lists, etc., the county recorder would
arbitrarily add to the name for clarification. So that the older William
would remain William Smythe, but the younger (who might be his nephew or
cousin) might be scribed on some docs as William Bradford Smythe--because he
owned the grist mill at the Bradford River, for example.
Which clarified for the court recorder and for those at the time, but
muddies the water for us researchers.
Come to think of it, today we might do that verbally. For example, we had
in our small school district two teachers named Sue Taylor. We referred to
one as "Sue Evans Taylor," because she taught at Evans Elem. Our inflection
and a slight gesture [no jokes please] indicated what we meant, but in a
written note to one another, it might seem to a third party forty years
later that the one Sue actually had the middle name Evans----and of course
off the researcher would say "Eureka!" and be off to dig for a maiden name
of Sue Evans.
Second thing I learned from same forgotten but reliabe source::::::::
Let's say once again that the county has two William Smythes. Instead of
throwing in a place name for clarification, the recorder might arbitrarily
add "I" or "Sr." to the name of the older man and "II" or even "Jr." to the
name of the younger man. When, in fact, they were uncle and nephew, not
father and son.
So, I've found it comforting to know that even in original image court
documents, the names may not be what they seem, and relationships may not be
what they seem. "Woe to them that are at ease in Zion."
Warmest Regards (and greetings to Bob M. in El Paso---hope he's a native
Texan
Donna
| Guess I'm confused by this thread. Are we asking about
| titles for obscure relatives or obscure titles for relatives?
Well, I'm quite sure my previous reply digressed from OP's post. I admit
guilt, but not remorse.
I guess I'll follow precedent and digress again, but it's somewhat loosely
related::::::
I have come across men (let's say pre-1810) who had odd middle names---not
after family surnames, but more like a place name in that county. And his
brothers would have no middle name at all.
The story is (given by a reliable source that of course I can't remember)
that a few times when there were multiple names of, say, William Smythe, in
the county, to avoid confusion in tax lists, etc., the county recorder would
arbitrarily add to the name for clarification. So that the older William
would remain William Smythe, but the younger (who might be his nephew or
cousin) might be scribed on some docs as William Bradford Smythe--because he
owned the grist mill at the Bradford River, for example.
Which clarified for the court recorder and for those at the time, but
muddies the water for us researchers.
Come to think of it, today we might do that verbally. For example, we had
in our small school district two teachers named Sue Taylor. We referred to
one as "Sue Evans Taylor," because she taught at Evans Elem. Our inflection
and a slight gesture [no jokes please] indicated what we meant, but in a
written note to one another, it might seem to a third party forty years
later that the one Sue actually had the middle name Evans----and of course
off the researcher would say "Eureka!" and be off to dig for a maiden name
of Sue Evans.
Second thing I learned from same forgotten but reliabe source::::::::
Let's say once again that the county has two William Smythes. Instead of
throwing in a place name for clarification, the recorder might arbitrarily
add "I" or "Sr." to the name of the older man and "II" or even "Jr." to the
name of the younger man. When, in fact, they were uncle and nephew, not
father and son.
So, I've found it comforting to know that even in original image court
documents, the names may not be what they seem, and relationships may not be
what they seem. "Woe to them that are at ease in Zion."
Warmest Regards (and greetings to Bob M. in El Paso---hope he's a native
Texan
Donna
Re: Obscure relative titles
Texas Gen wrote:
in countries like Wales or Denmark where patronymics were normal - John
Jones or Jens Jensen - had an ancestor called John or Johannes - John
son of John is the meaning of their names - and therefore occupations
are the primary nicknames and along with addresses, included in the
danish telephone book
Hugh W
Bob M.wrote:
| Guess I'm confused by this thread. Are we asking about
| titles for obscure relatives or obscure titles for relatives?
Well, I'm quite sure my previous reply digressed from OP's post. I admit
guilt, but not remorse.
I guess I'll follow precedent and digress again, but it's somewhat loosely
related::::::
I have come across men (let's say pre-1810) who had odd middle names---not
after family surnames, but more like a place name in that county. And his
brothers would have no middle name at all.
The story is (given by a reliable source that of course I can't remember)
that a few times when there were multiple names of, say, William Smythe, in
the county, to avoid confusion in tax lists, etc., the county recorder would
arbitrarily add to the name for clarification. So that the older William
would remain William Smythe, but the younger (who might be his nephew or
cousin) might be scribed on some docs as William Bradford Smythe--because he
owned the grist mill at the Bradford River, for example.
Which clarified for the court recorder and for those at the time, but
muddies the water for us researchers.
Come to think of it, today we might do that verbally. For example, we had
in our small school district two teachers named Sue Taylor. We referred to
one as "Sue Evans Taylor," because she taught at Evans Elem. Our inflection
and a slight gesture [no jokes please] indicated what we meant, but in a
written note to one another, it might seem to a third party forty years
later that the one Sue actually had the middle name Evans----and of course
off the researcher would say "Eureka!" and be off to dig for a maiden name
of Sue Evans.
Second thing I learned from same forgotten but reliabe source::::::::
Let's say once again that the county has two William Smythes. Instead of
throwing in a place name for clarification, the recorder might arbitrarily
add "I" or "Sr." to the name of the older man and "II" or even "Jr." to the
name of the younger man. When, in fact, they were uncle and nephew, not
father and son.
So, I've found it comforting to know that even in original image court
documents, the names may not be what they seem, and relationships may not be
what they seem. "Woe to them that are at ease in Zion."
Warmest Regards (and greetings to Bob M. in El Paso---hope he's a native
Texan
in countries like Wales or Denmark where patronymics were normal - John
Jones or Jens Jensen - had an ancestor called John or Johannes - John
son of John is the meaning of their names - and therefore occupations
are the primary nicknames and along with addresses, included in the
danish telephone book
Hugh W
Re: Obscure relative titles
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:25:20 GMT, myths@ic24.net (cecilia) wrote:
Hard to see how they could have been, since they were both dead before
he was born.
--
Jane
"Henry Brownlee" wrote:
[...] I have two ex-step-sisters;
my mother and step-father divorced. (Perhaps a nicer term is former
step-sisters? ) But how about if they hadn't divorced and were still married
when one died. Would the girls still be my step-sisters? I would think so,
anyway.
My brother holds, firmly, that Katherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn
were step-mothers of Edward VI.
Hard to see how they could have been, since they were both dead before
he was born.
--
Jane
Re: Obscure relative titles
On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:06:15 -0500, Jane Benn
<nospamplease99@rogers.com> wrote:
He sees a lttle thing like that as no problem - one's father's wife is
either one's mother or one's step-mother.
(I happen to disagree - but that family for you. <grin>)
<nospamplease99@rogers.com> wrote:
My brother holds, firmly, that Katherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn
were step-mothers of Edward VI.
Hard to see how they could have been, since they were both dead before
he was born.
He sees a lttle thing like that as no problem - one's father's wife is
either one's mother or one's step-mother.
(I happen to disagree - but that family for you. <grin>)
Re: Obscure relative titles
On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:09:05 GMT, myths@ic24.net (cecilia) wrote:
Speaking of family, my Legacy just asked me if my mother was still
alive. She happened to mention where she was christened in the course
of being interviewed by a newspaper reporter, and I decided to put it
in my database. Apparently Legacy thinks centenarians should be dead.
Of course, Mom never has let what the world thought bother her much.
--
Jane
On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:06:15 -0500, Jane Benn
nospamplease99@rogers.com> wrote:
My brother holds, firmly, that Katherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn
were step-mothers of Edward VI.
Hard to see how they could have been, since they were both dead before
he was born.
He sees a lttle thing like that as no problem - one's father's wife is
either one's mother or one's step-mother.
(I happen to disagree - but that family for you. <grin>)
Speaking of family, my Legacy just asked me if my mother was still
alive. She happened to mention where she was christened in the course
of being interviewed by a newspaper reporter, and I decided to put it
in my database. Apparently Legacy thinks centenarians should be dead.
Of course, Mom never has let what the world thought bother her much.
--
Jane