Census anomaly

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singhals

Census anomaly

Legg inn av singhals » 25 okt 2007 01:39:40

I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an
Honorable Mention in the category!

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the
Territory of Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B,
Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm also seeing T -- and darn if I see
the cheat sheet.

It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.

Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the
cheat-sheet? (g)

Cheryl

Michael Kenefick

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av Michael Kenefick » 25 okt 2007 02:04:06

Hello Cheryl,

I to saw T listed for a family just last week on a 1900 or 1910 or 1920 in
California. I am not sure what it meant. But the family was Irish father and
Hispanic mother. Maybe it is tanned!?

Mike in Ohio

singhals wrote:
I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an Honorable
Mention in the category!

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm also
seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.

It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.

Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the cheat-sheet? (g)

Cheryl

Huntersglenn

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 25 okt 2007 03:26:09

http://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/inst1910.shtml

But there's no T listed. There is an "Ot" listed, for Other, and I
wonder if maybe some enumerators got lazy?

Maybe that'll help,
Cathy

singhals wrote:
I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an Honorable
Mention in the category!

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm also
seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.

It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.

Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the cheat-sheet? (g)

Cheryl

Carole Allen

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av Carole Allen » 25 okt 2007 04:48:11

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:39:40 -0400, singhals <singhals@erols.com>
wrote:

I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an
Honorable Mention in the category!

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the
Territory of Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B,
Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm also seeing T -- and darn if I see
the cheat sheet.

It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.

Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the
cheat-sheet? (g)

Cheryl

Tahitian?

T.M. Sommers

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av T.M. Sommers » 25 okt 2007 04:56:54

singhals wrote:
I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an Honorable
Mention in the category!

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm also
seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.

It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.

Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the cheat-sheet? (g)

Are you sure it's not an 'F', for Filipin{o|a}?

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

Laurie S

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av Laurie S » 25 okt 2007 06:00:15

Doesn't answer the question but thought I'd add:

In the "Your Guide to the Federal Census" by Kathleen Hinckley, for 1900
the reported Race was white, black, indian, chinese, japanese. For 1910
same but added mulatto and other. Can't find mention of a T.

Laurie S.

singhals wrote:
I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an Honorable
Mention in the category!

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm also
seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.

It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.

Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the cheat-sheet? (g)

Cheryl

singhals

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av singhals » 26 okt 2007 00:56:54

It's an option. (g)

On the man I was looking for, the race is "Oc", presumably
for Occidental. Very clear Oc and repeated several places.

I've never looked at Hawaii before, so this is all new to
me. (g)

Cheryl

Michael Kenefick wrote:
Hello Cheryl,

I to saw T listed for a family just last week on a 1900 or 1910 or
1920 in California. I am not sure what it meant. But the family was
Irish father and Hispanic mother. Maybe it is tanned!?

Mike in Ohio

singhals wrote:

I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an Honorable
Mention in the category!

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm
also seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.

It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.

Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the cheat-sheet? (g)

Cheryl


singhals

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av singhals » 26 okt 2007 00:57:51

Possibly, but unlikely -- the cross-bar fills the slot and
the vertical is pretty much dead-center on most of 'em.

Cheryl

Huntersglenn wrote:

http://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/inst1910.shtml

But there's no T listed. There is an "Ot" listed, for Other, and I
wonder if maybe some enumerators got lazy?

Maybe that'll help,
Cathy

singhals wrote:

I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an Honorable
Mention in the category!

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm
also seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.

It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.

Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the cheat-sheet? (g)

Cheryl

singhals

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av singhals » 26 okt 2007 00:58:49

Carole Allen wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:39:40 -0400, singhals <singhals@erols.com
wrote:


I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an
Honorable Mention in the category!

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the
Territory of Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B,
Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm also seeing T -- and darn if I see
the cheat sheet.

It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.

Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the
cheat-sheet? (g)

Cheryl


Tahitian?

They didn't look particularly French and the birthplaces
were mostly on the Mainland, but anything's possible I
guess. (g)

Cheryl

singhals

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av singhals » 26 okt 2007 01:00:00

T.M. Sommers wrote:

singhals wrote:

I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an Honorable
Mention in the category!

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm
also seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.

It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.

Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the cheat-sheet? (g)


Are you sure it's not an 'F', for Filipin{o|a}?


No, it's a VERY clear upper-case T and I _think_ the
Filipinnos show up as P.I.

Cheryl

singhals

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av singhals » 26 okt 2007 01:03:11

(G) I guess the quality of Enumerators hasn't changed much
over the centuries? (g) [Note: I _was_ an enumerator once
myself.]
..
Cheryl

Laurie S wrote:

Doesn't answer the question but thought I'd add:

In the "Your Guide to the Federal Census" by Kathleen Hinckley, for 1900
the reported Race was white, black, indian, chinese, japanese. For 1910
same but added mulatto and other. Can't find mention of a T.

Laurie S.

singhals wrote:

I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an Honorable
Mention in the category!

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm
also seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.

It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.

Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the cheat-sheet? (g)

Cheryl


Henry Brownlee

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av Henry Brownlee » 26 okt 2007 02:27:00

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
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| (G) I guess the quality of Enumerators hasn't changed much
| over the centuries? (g) [Note: I _was_ an enumerator once
| myself.]
| .
| Cheryl

'Salright. We all have our peccadillos. 8~)

Henry

T.M. Sommers

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av T.M. Sommers » 26 okt 2007 23:10:41

singhals wrote:
T.M. Sommers wrote:
singhals wrote:

I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an Honorable
Mention in the category!

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm
also seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.

It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.

Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the cheat-sheet? (g)

Are you sure it's not an 'F', for Filipin{o|a}?

No, it's a VERY clear upper-case T and I _think_ the Filipinnos show up
as P.I.

I was just thinking that script F and script T are very close.

Could it be Tonkinese? Do the names give any clues as to origins?

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

singhals

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av singhals » 27 okt 2007 02:23:12

T.M. Sommers wrote:

singhals wrote:

T.M. Sommers wrote:

singhals wrote:

I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an Honorable
Mention in the category!

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm
also seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.

It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.

Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the cheat-sheet? (g)


Are you sure it's not an 'F', for Filipin{o|a}?


No, it's a VERY clear upper-case T and I _think_ the Filipinnos show
up as P.I.


I was just thinking that script F and script T are very close.

Could it be Tonkinese? Do the names give any clues as to origins?


As I said earlier in the thread, birthplaces appear to be
Ohio, Illinois, Texas, Pennsylvania ... and the names sound
like it. (g)

I first thought "Trooper" but then noticed some women so
marked, and some USN types, so I guess not.

Cheryl

Robert Melson

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 27 okt 2007 03:38:50

In article <gr2dnZlP8eJiD7_anZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@rcn.net>,
singhals <singhals@erols.com> writes:
T.M. Sommers wrote:

singhals wrote:

T.M. Sommers wrote:

singhals wrote:

I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an Honorable
Mention in the category!

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm
also seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.

It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.

Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the cheat-sheet? (g)


Are you sure it's not an 'F', for Filipin{o|a}?


No, it's a VERY clear upper-case T and I _think_ the Filipinnos show
up as P.I.


I was just thinking that script F and script T are very close.

Could it be Tonkinese? Do the names give any clues as to origins?


As I said earlier in the thread, birthplaces appear to be
Ohio, Illinois, Texas, Pennsylvania ... and the names sound
like it. (g)

I first thought "Trooper" but then noticed some women so
marked, and some USN types, so I guess not.

Cheryl

Pure speculation, but could it mean "Territorial"? I'n not
clear on the timeframe of our relationship with the Kingdom
of Hawaii or when it became a US Territory, but I seem to
recall that many US citizens also had Hawaiian citizenship,
which allowed many of'em to both do good and do well.

Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
"People unfit for freedom---who cannot do much with it---are
hungry for power." ---Eric Hoffer

T.M. Sommers

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av T.M. Sommers » 27 okt 2007 11:13:45

Robert Melson wrote:
singhals wrote:

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm
also seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.

Pure speculation, but could it mean "Territorial"? I'n not
clear on the timeframe of our relationship with the Kingdom
of Hawaii or when it became a US Territory, but I seem to
recall that many US citizens also had Hawaiian citizenship,
which allowed many of'em to both do good and do well.

The Hawaiian kingdom ended in 1893, when a republic was formed.
Hawaii became a territory in 1898. There would not have been a
US census in Hawaii when it was independent.

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

Robert Melson

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 27 okt 2007 16:56:13

In article <47230f5a$0$7218$470ef3ce@news.pa.net>,
"T.M. Sommers" <tms@nj.net> writes:
Robert Melson wrote:
singhals wrote:

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm
also seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.

Pure speculation, but could it mean "Territorial"? I'n not
clear on the timeframe of our relationship with the Kingdom
of Hawaii or when it became a US Territory, but I seem to
recall that many US citizens also had Hawaiian citizenship,
which allowed many of'em to both do good and do well.

The Hawaiian kingdom ended in 1893, when a republic was formed.
Hawaii became a territory in 1898. There would not have been a
US census in Hawaii when it was independent.


Tom,

Thanks for the additional info. My thoight is/was that our
relationship with Hawaii was so tangled that US citizens
having dual citizenship under the monarchy or the republic
might have been enumerated as something like "territorials".
Noteo, please, that I did not suggest we had taken a census
in the islands prior to their becoming a US territory.

Anyway, a possibly no less implausible than others.

Bob
--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
"People unfit for freedom---who cannot do much with it---are
hungry for power." ---Eric Hoffer

Lesley Robertson

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 29 okt 2007 12:04:42

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
news:7-6dndkfpMsis7zanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@rcn.net...
(G) I guess the quality of Enumerators hasn't changed much over the
centuries? (g) [Note: I _was_ an enumerator once myself.]
.

Did you see that plaint from an 1851 census enumerator that Roy Stockdill
posted of sgb?
You actually begin to fee somel sympathy!
Lesley Robertson

singhals

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av singhals » 29 okt 2007 17:21:41

Lesley Robertson wrote:

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
news:7-6dndkfpMsis7zanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@rcn.net...

(G) I guess the quality of Enumerators hasn't changed much over the
centuries? (g) [Note: I _was_ an enumerator once myself.]
.


Did you see that plaint from an 1851 census enumerator that Roy Stockdill
posted of sgb?
You actually begin to fee somel sympathy!
Lesley Robertson



Yes, I did. (lol) Ahhh, the memories ...

Cheryl

jj206

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av jj206 » 31 okt 2007 03:37:35

singhals wrote:
I've seen some odd-ball things, but this is certainly an Honorable
Mention in the category!
I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm also
seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.
It can't be an error -- I see entire pages of 'em.
Anyone know what race T is? Or, where can I find the cheat-sheet? (g)

Cheryl

I suggest posting this to : Hawaii Genealogy Message Boards.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/hi/

I was pondering that T stood for a Hawaiian word for "unknown" or "refused
to say" but I noticed that T is not in the Hawaiian alphabet.

Jonathan

Del Stanley

Re: Census anomaly

Legg inn av Del Stanley » 01 nov 2007 01:08:32

"Robert Melson" <melsonr@aragorn.rgmhome.net> wrote in message
news:13i6nstk6esqnd8@corp.supernews.com...
In article <47230f5a$0$7218$470ef3ce@news.pa.net>,
"T.M. Sommers" <tms@nj.net> writes:
Robert Melson wrote:
singhals wrote:

I'm looking at 1900 and 1910 census records from the Territory of
Hawaii. In the Race column, I'm seeing W, B, Jp, Ch, etc. But I'm
also seeing T -- and darn if I see the cheat sheet.

Pure speculation, but could it mean "Territorial"? I'n not
clear on the timeframe of our relationship with the Kingdom
of Hawaii or when it became a US Territory, but I seem to
recall that many US citizens also had Hawaiian citizenship,
which allowed many of'em to both do good and do well.

The Hawaiian kingdom ended in 1893, when a republic was formed.
Hawaii became a territory in 1898. There would not have been a
US census in Hawaii when it was independent.


Tom,

Thanks for the additional info. My thoight is/was that our
relationship with Hawaii was so tangled that US citizens
having dual citizenship under the monarchy or the republic
might have been enumerated as something like "territorials".
Noteo, please, that I did not suggest we had taken a census
in the islands prior to their becoming a US territory.

Anyway, a possibly no less implausible than others.

Bob

I think it is plausible also. In the decade following the above
events in Hawaii, the U.S. had its eyes on Panama, and
eventually carved out a sovereign slice out of that country.
U.S. citizens were living there, building and then maintaining the
canal. I'm not sure what Panama's status was, but it certainly was
never a state. However, since it was considered "part of the U.S."
(sovereignty by treaty I guess) were the U.S. people there deemed
part of the U.S. resident population? Or were they simply included
as part of the overseas population?

If someone were taking a census for the first time, and in an area
for the first time I can certainly see a lot coding confusion.

1900-1910 would have been the first census for Hawaii,
Alaska, New Mexico, Oklahoma. Like you Bob, I can
easily see "T"erritorial issues causing problems. An enumerator
in these cases may have made his own rules as he went along,
particularly in cases where blood lines were so varied. Note that these
states have heavy Hawaiian Native/Asian Hawaiian /
Alaskan Indian/American Indian/Hispanic blood lines. In Hawaii
in some cases it seems you have some of each (Hawaiian Punch)!

I wonder what that enumerator would have called Tiger Woods?
"Z?"

Del

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