1910 LU, pls?

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singhals

1910 LU, pls?

Legg inn av singhals » 09 okt 2007 03:01:25

I'm hunting a Montrose Graham b ca 1907 in NY state. I've
got him in Waterbury CT in 1920. Does anyone see him in
1910? Or even 1930? I've hunted VA and DC and nada.

Citation only please, Ancestry thinks I've had enough
freebies. (g)

Thanks.

Cheryl

Nick Bassard

Re: 1910 LU, pls?

Legg inn av Nick Bassard » 09 okt 2007 03:27:00

Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Brooklyn Ward 29, Kings, New
York; Roll: T624_982; Page: 24B; Enumeration District: 920; Image: 640.

Name: Montrose S Graham Jr.
Age in 1910: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1905
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's name: Montrose S
Father's Birth Place: New York
Mother's name: Helen V
Mother's Birth Place: Scotland
Home in 1910: Brooklyn Ward 29, Kings, New York
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Montrose S Graham 34
Helen V Graham 26
Montrose S Graham Jr. 5
Jesse L Graham 3
Helen E Graham 7/12



singhals wrote:
I'm hunting a Montrose Graham b ca 1907 in NY state. I've got him in
Waterbury CT in 1920. Does anyone see him in 1910? Or even 1930? I've
hunted VA and DC and nada.

Citation only please, Ancestry thinks I've had enough freebies. (g)

Thanks.

Cheryl

Huntersglenn

Re: 1910 LU, pls?

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 09 okt 2007 03:42:00

How dare Ancestry put a limit on freebies! <g>

for 1910, Ancestry shows three men of that name - two are father and son
and in New York - Montrose S. Graham.

The third is in Woodbury, CT, and is most likely the same one you've
found in Waterbury in 1920. In 1910, he was a boarder in the household
of what looks to be Ruth Smith. Also boarding there are Joseph (9),
James and Donald Graham (both 6), Montrose is 7. The citation is:
Year: 1910; Census Place: Woodbury, Litchfield, Connecticut; Roll:
T624_135; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 290

I can't find Montrose in the 1930 census, either. The closest that I do
see is a Mossie Graham, living in New York with his wife and son, Oscar.
Ancestry has him with a birth year of 1903, but his age on the census
is 23, not 27. Let me know if you'd like that citation.

Cathy




singhals wrote:
I'm hunting a Montrose Graham b ca 1907 in NY state. I've got him in
Waterbury CT in 1920. Does anyone see him in 1910? Or even 1930? I've
hunted VA and DC and nada.

Citation only please, Ancestry thinks I've had enough freebies. (g)

Thanks.

Cheryl

singhals

Re: 1910 LU, pls?

Legg inn av singhals » 09 okt 2007 16:14:59

Hmmm ... the plot fogs over ...

Thanks, Nick.

Cheryl

Nick Bassard wrote:

Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Brooklyn Ward 29, Kings, New
York; Roll: T624_982; Page: 24B; Enumeration District: 920; Image: 640.

Name: Montrose S Graham Jr.
Age in 1910: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1905
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's name: Montrose S
Father's Birth Place: New York
Mother's name: Helen V
Mother's Birth Place: Scotland
Home in 1910: Brooklyn Ward 29, Kings, New York
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Montrose S Graham 34
Helen V Graham 26
Montrose S Graham Jr. 5
Jesse L Graham 3
Helen E Graham 7/12



singhals wrote:

I'm hunting a Montrose Graham b ca 1907 in NY state. I've got him in
Waterbury CT in 1920. Does anyone see him in 1910? Or even 1930?
I've hunted VA and DC and nada.

Citation only please, Ancestry thinks I've had enough freebies. (g)

Thanks.

Cheryl

singhals

Re: 1910 LU, pls?

Legg inn av singhals » 09 okt 2007 16:26:05

Yeah, I _mean_! (g)

Jr died in the Pacific in WW-II in a plane crash; mother's
name is Lillian, born Calif. When Jr died, she was living in
Virginia. My information is that Jr was a lonely-only ...
and no visible connection to NY except this. Back to the
salt-mines.

Thanks for looking!

Cheryl

Huntersglenn wrote:

How dare Ancestry put a limit on freebies! <g

for 1910, Ancestry shows three men of that name - two are father and son
and in New York - Montrose S. Graham.

The third is in Woodbury, CT, and is most likely the same one you've
found in Waterbury in 1920. In 1910, he was a boarder in the household
of what looks to be Ruth Smith. Also boarding there are Joseph (9),
James and Donald Graham (both 6), Montrose is 7. The citation is:
Year: 1910; Census Place: Woodbury, Litchfield, Connecticut; Roll:
T624_135; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 290

I can't find Montrose in the 1930 census, either. The closest that I do
see is a Mossie Graham, living in New York with his wife and son, Oscar.
Ancestry has him with a birth year of 1903, but his age on the census
is 23, not 27. Let me know if you'd like that citation.

Cathy




singhals wrote:

I'm hunting a Montrose Graham b ca 1907 in NY state. I've got him in
Waterbury CT in 1920. Does anyone see him in 1910? Or even 1930?
I've hunted VA and DC and nada.

Citation only please, Ancestry thinks I've had enough freebies. (g)

Thanks.

Cheryl

Huntersglenn

Re: 1910 LU, pls?

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 09 okt 2007 21:09:59

I don't see a Montrose Graham in the military records at ancestry, but
then again, they don't have all of them, either. I'm guessing that you
might have a case here where the used name was the middle name, and not
the father's first name.

Do you know if Lillian stayed in Virginia until she died? There are 6
Lillian Grahams in the Social Security Death Index for Virginia, and
four are old enough to have given birth to a son who would have been of
age to fight in WW-II. I've not seen enough SS applications to know if
one would include if a woman was a widow, and if so, when she was widowed.

No luck trying Lillian Graham in the 1930, either. Only 4 appear who
have a birth state of California, and only one is old enough to have
children. She's in California, and is a widow, but doesn't have a child
living with her.

You've definitely got a tough one here!

Good luck!
Cathy

singhals wrote:
Yeah, I _mean_! (g)

Jr died in the Pacific in WW-II in a plane crash; mother's name is
Lillian, born Calif. When Jr died, she was living in Virginia. My
information is that Jr was a lonely-only ... and no visible connection
to NY except this. Back to the salt-mines.

Thanks for looking!

Cheryl

Huntersglenn wrote:

How dare Ancestry put a limit on freebies! <g

for 1910, Ancestry shows three men of that name - two are father and
son and in New York - Montrose S. Graham.

The third is in Woodbury, CT, and is most likely the same one you've
found in Waterbury in 1920. In 1910, he was a boarder in the
household of what looks to be Ruth Smith. Also boarding there are
Joseph (9), James and Donald Graham (both 6), Montrose is 7. The
citation is:
Year: 1910; Census Place: Woodbury, Litchfield, Connecticut; Roll:
T624_135; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 290

I can't find Montrose in the 1930 census, either. The closest that I
do see is a Mossie Graham, living in New York with his wife and son,
Oscar. Ancestry has him with a birth year of 1903, but his age on the
census is 23, not 27. Let me know if you'd like that citation.

Cathy




singhals wrote:

I'm hunting a Montrose Graham b ca 1907 in NY state. I've got him in
Waterbury CT in 1920. Does anyone see him in 1910? Or even 1930?
I've hunted VA and DC and nada.

Citation only please, Ancestry thinks I've had enough freebies. (g)

Thanks.

Cheryl

Tara

Re: 1910 LU, pls?

Legg inn av Tara » 10 okt 2007 18:53:40

Any hint that your boy was a sailor? There's a Montrose Graham on the 1930
Merchant Seamen Census that looks like a match and 4 or 5 NY Passenger Lists
on Ancestry that looks like he was going in and out of NYC as part of the
crew.

Of course, the passenger lists all just show name, age and born in NY.
Nothing that you don't already have.

The census shows he was a veteran of WWI. That could lead to something. It
also lists a next of kin at 10 Haratro St. (which I can't find) in NYC. The
NOK listings look like they're broken down in to (P)- parents, (W)-wife or
(R)-other relative. His says R, so presumably he wasn't married.

Anyway, I'll save a copy of the census. Let me know if it sounds like it's
worth looking at. Here's the cite in case you have access to it.

1930 Census of Merchant Seamen
Name: Montrose Graham
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Birthplace: New York
Race: White
Port in 1930: Marcus Hook, Delaware, Pennsylvania
Page: ??A (7th of 14 images)
Ship Name: S/S Sunbeam (Owned by Sun Oil Company)
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Marcus Hook, Delaware,
Pennsylvania; Roll: 1932_3; Page: ??A; Enumeration District: 23-86.
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1930 Census of Merchant Seamen [database on-line]. Provo, UT,
USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: National Archives
and Records Administration. 1930 Census of Merchant Seamen. Washington,
D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration. M1932, RG 029, 3 rolls.

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Yeah, I _mean_! (g)

Jr died in the Pacific in WW-II in a plane crash; mother's name is
Lillian, born Calif. When Jr died, she was living in Virginia. My
information is that Jr was a lonely-only ... and no visible connection to
NY except this. Back to the salt-mines.

Thanks for looking!

Cheryl

singhals

Re: 1910 LU, pls?

Legg inn av singhals » 10 okt 2007 20:52:03

Thanks. I think I found Lillian at SSDI, but maybe not. I
suspect you're right about the middle names; pity I haven't
a 2nd clue ...:(

Cheryl

Huntersglenn wrote:

I don't see a Montrose Graham in the military records at ancestry, but
then again, they don't have all of them, either. I'm guessing that you
might have a case here where the used name was the middle name, and not
the father's first name.

Do you know if Lillian stayed in Virginia until she died? There are 6
Lillian Grahams in the Social Security Death Index for Virginia, and
four are old enough to have given birth to a son who would have been of
age to fight in WW-II. I've not seen enough SS applications to know if
one would include if a woman was a widow, and if so, when she was widowed.

No luck trying Lillian Graham in the 1930, either. Only 4 appear who
have a birth state of California, and only one is old enough to have
children. She's in California, and is a widow, but doesn't have a child
living with her.

You've definitely got a tough one here!

Good luck!
Cathy

singhals wrote:

Yeah, I _mean_! (g)

Jr died in the Pacific in WW-II in a plane crash; mother's name is
Lillian, born Calif. When Jr died, she was living in Virginia. My
information is that Jr was a lonely-only ... and no visible connection
to NY except this. Back to the salt-mines.

Thanks for looking!

Cheryl

Huntersglenn wrote:

How dare Ancestry put a limit on freebies! <g

for 1910, Ancestry shows three men of that name - two are father and
son and in New York - Montrose S. Graham.

The third is in Woodbury, CT, and is most likely the same one you've
found in Waterbury in 1920. In 1910, he was a boarder in the
household of what looks to be Ruth Smith. Also boarding there are
Joseph (9), James and Donald Graham (both 6), Montrose is 7. The
citation is:
Year: 1910; Census Place: Woodbury, Litchfield, Connecticut; Roll:
T624_135; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 290

I can't find Montrose in the 1930 census, either. The closest that I
do see is a Mossie Graham, living in New York with his wife and son,
Oscar. Ancestry has him with a birth year of 1903, but his age on
the census is 23, not 27. Let me know if you'd like that citation.

Cathy




singhals wrote:

I'm hunting a Montrose Graham b ca 1907 in NY state. I've got him in
Waterbury CT in 1920. Does anyone see him in 1910? Or even 1930?
I've hunted VA and DC and nada.

Citation only please, Ancestry thinks I've had enough freebies. (g)

Thanks.

Cheryl

singhals

Re: 1910 LU, pls?

Legg inn av singhals » 10 okt 2007 20:53:38

Thanks, Tara. I suppose it could be, but my info is that he
was an Army Air Force pilot who crashed in the Pacific
theatre.

Oh, well, I needed to go to LOC anyway one day soon...

Thanks for this though; I'll certainly keep it against need!

Cheryl

Tara wrote:

Any hint that your boy was a sailor? There's a Montrose Graham on the 1930
Merchant Seamen Census that looks like a match and 4 or 5 NY Passenger Lists
on Ancestry that looks like he was going in and out of NYC as part of the
crew.

Of course, the passenger lists all just show name, age and born in NY.
Nothing that you don't already have.

The census shows he was a veteran of WWI. That could lead to something. It
also lists a next of kin at 10 Haratro St. (which I can't find) in NYC. The
NOK listings look like they're broken down in to (P)- parents, (W)-wife or
(R)-other relative. His says R, so presumably he wasn't married.

Anyway, I'll save a copy of the census. Let me know if it sounds like it's
worth looking at. Here's the cite in case you have access to it.

1930 Census of Merchant Seamen
Name: Montrose Graham
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Birthplace: New York
Race: White
Port in 1930: Marcus Hook, Delaware, Pennsylvania
Page: ??A (7th of 14 images)
Ship Name: S/S Sunbeam (Owned by Sun Oil Company)
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Marcus Hook, Delaware,
Pennsylvania; Roll: 1932_3; Page: ??A; Enumeration District: 23-86.
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1930 Census of Merchant Seamen [database on-line]. Provo, UT,
USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: National Archives
and Records Administration. 1930 Census of Merchant Seamen. Washington,
D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration. M1932, RG 029, 3 rolls.

Huntersglenn

Re: 1910 LU, pls?

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 11 okt 2007 22:17:59

Do you know where in Virginia? We have two local libraries here in the
Norfolk area that have county directories that go back to the early
1900s, so if she was living in Norfolk County at the time, then I can
look through them for her - if nothing else, it might give you a
timeline as to when she moved. I'm not as familiar with the genealogy
section in Virginia Beach (which was Princess Anne County), but I'd
imagine that they've got some county directories as well. Norfolk
County would have included the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth.

Cathy

singhals wrote:
Yeah, I _mean_! (g)

Jr died in the Pacific in WW-II in a plane crash; mother's name is
Lillian, born Calif. When Jr died, she was living in Virginia. My
information is that Jr was a lonely-only ... and no visible connection
to NY except this. Back to the salt-mines.

Thanks for looking!

Cheryl


singhals

Re: 1910 LU, pls?

Legg inn av singhals » 12 okt 2007 02:12:46

She was in Clarke Co. Bit rural for city directories.
I may have to bite the bullet and drive up there to see what
their library has by way of old newspapers. :(

I didn't know you were in the Roads! Small world (g).

Cheryl

Huntersglenn wrote:

Do you know where in Virginia? We have two local libraries here in the
Norfolk area that have county directories that go back to the early
1900s, so if she was living in Norfolk County at the time, then I can
look through them for her - if nothing else, it might give you a
timeline as to when she moved. I'm not as familiar with the genealogy
section in Virginia Beach (which was Princess Anne County), but I'd
imagine that they've got some county directories as well. Norfolk
County would have included the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth.

Cathy

singhals wrote:

Yeah, I _mean_! (g)

Jr died in the Pacific in WW-II in a plane crash; mother's name is
Lillian, born Calif. When Jr died, she was living in Virginia. My
information is that Jr was a lonely-only ... and no visible connection
to NY except this. Back to the salt-mines.

Thanks for looking!

Cheryl


ecunningham

Re: 1910 LU, pls?

Legg inn av ecunningham » 14 okt 2007 00:12:03

singhals wrote:

Jr died in the Pacific in WW-II in a plane crash; mother's name is
Lillian, born Calif. When Jr died, she was living in Virginia. My
information is that Jr was a lonely-only ... and no visible
connection to NY except this. Back to the salt-mines.

Cheryl: I knew this was out there somewhere!
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/worldwar/
He is not listed under Virginia Clarke,Princess Anne or Norfolk county.
But this should keep you out of trouble for the weekend. <g>
Otherwise, I would go the newspaper route where his mother was living.
ecunningham@att.net

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