Odd Codes on certain census pages.
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jj206
Odd Codes on certain census pages.
Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.
Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.
I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.
Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.
By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.
Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)
The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.
Just curious if other folks know about these codes.
I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/
take care,
Jonathan
Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.
I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.
Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.
By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.
Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)
The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.
Just curious if other folks know about these codes.
I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/
take care,
Jonathan
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Liz_in_Calgary
Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.
It looks like Tom to me - but the M seems to be a capital
letter.
So, at the family search page for 1880, he is listed as M.O.
- maybe that is what he calls himself.
take care
Liz
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:43:40 -0700, in alt.genealogy jj206
<jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote :
letter.
So, at the family search page for 1880, he is listed as M.O.
- maybe that is what he calls himself.
take care
Liz
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:43:40 -0700, in alt.genealogy jj206
<jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote :
Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.
Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.
I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.
Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.
By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.
Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)
The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.
Just curious if other folks know about these codes.
I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/
take care,
Jonathan
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singhals
Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.
The codes were statistical notations. One of the numbers is
the number of wage-earners in the household; next number is
the number dependent on that wage-earner (that's the one
that generally has the pf). The 2c, 1R etc break down the
dependents into categories. The outcome was published in
the Statistical Abstract of the 1900 census.
d/l the image, pull it up in something like PAINT, and
change the color of the over-writing -- maybe even delete it
as much as possible in an 800x view. What's left may help
you decipher it. Or may not; I've had both results.
Cheryl
jj206 wrote:
the number of wage-earners in the household; next number is
the number dependent on that wage-earner (that's the one
that generally has the pf). The 2c, 1R etc break down the
dependents into categories. The outcome was published in
the Statistical Abstract of the 1900 census.
d/l the image, pull it up in something like PAINT, and
change the color of the over-writing -- maybe even delete it
as much as possible in an 800x view. What's left may help
you decipher it. Or may not; I've had both results.
Cheryl
jj206 wrote:
Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.
Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.
I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.
Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.
By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.
Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)
The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.
Just curious if other folks know about these codes.
I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/
take care,
Jonathan
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Tara
Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.
In 1850 and 1870, he's listed as Montraville, so while I can't really make
it out in 1900, I'd guess it's Mont O.
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it out in 1900, I'd guess it's Mont O.
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Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.
Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.
I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.
Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.
By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.
Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)
The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.
Just curious if other folks know about these codes.
I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/
take care,
Jonathan
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Alida Spry
Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.
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Whle I wouldn't have guess it said Mont O without the info you gave, once I
looked at, I can definitely see Mont O on that census from ancetry.
The Mo is under the letter p and the n is under the f then you see the t
then the 5 and finally the O.
Sorry I don't know anything about the codes.
Alida
news:1191815301.69519@bubbleator.drizzle.com...
Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.
Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.
I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.
Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.
By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.
Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)
The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.
Just curious if other folks know about these codes.
I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/
take care,
Jonathan
Whle I wouldn't have guess it said Mont O without the info you gave, once I
looked at, I can definitely see Mont O on that census from ancetry.
The Mo is under the letter p and the n is under the f then you see the t
then the 5 and finally the O.
Sorry I don't know anything about the codes.
Alida
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Alida Spry
Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.
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Gosh, sorry for all my typos. I must be out of it today.
Alida
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Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.
Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.
I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/
take care,
Jonathan
Whle I wouldn't have guess it said Mont O without the info you gave, once
I looked at, I can definitely see Mont O on that census from ancetry.
The Mo is under the letter p and the n is under the f then you see the t
then the 5 and finally the O.
Sorry I don't know anything about the codes.
Alida
Gosh, sorry for all my typos. I must be out of it today.
Alida
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jj206
Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.
Tara wrote:
Thank you for looking at it, Tara. Goodness knows why they wrote on top of
people's names instead of other blank areas of the census page.
Jonathan
In 1850 and 1870, he's listed as Montraville, so while I can't really make
it out in 1900, I'd guess it's Mont O.
Thank you for looking at it, Tara. Goodness knows why they wrote on top of
people's names instead of other blank areas of the census page.
Jonathan
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jj206
Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.
Alida Spry wrote:
Thanks for looking at it. Your eyesight is better than mine.
Jonathan
"jj206" <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in message
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Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.
Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.
I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.
Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.
By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.
Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)
The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.
Just curious if other folks know about these codes.
I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/
take care,
Jonathan
Whle I wouldn't have guess it said Mont O without the info you gave, once I
looked at, I can definitely see Mont O on that census from ancetry.
The Mo is under the letter p and the n is under the f then you see the t
then the 5 and finally the O.
Sorry I don't know anything about the codes.
Alida
Thanks for looking at it. Your eyesight is better than mine.
Jonathan
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Henry Brownlee
Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.
"jj206" <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in message
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| Tara wrote:
| > In 1850 and 1870, he's listed as Montraville, so while I can't really
make
| > it out in 1900, I'd guess it's Mont O.
|
|
| Thank you for looking at it, Tara. Goodness knows why they wrote on top of
| people's names instead of other blank areas of the census page.
|
| Jonathan
J,
They could have cared less about the names. The purpose was to collect
data - population numbers for Congressional reapportionment, info about life
expectancy, origins of immigrants, and any number of other reasons. The
names we glean from them are to be considered lagniappe, as we say here in
Cajun country.
--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana
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| Tara wrote:
| > In 1850 and 1870, he's listed as Montraville, so while I can't really
make
| > it out in 1900, I'd guess it's Mont O.
|
|
| Thank you for looking at it, Tara. Goodness knows why they wrote on top of
| people's names instead of other blank areas of the census page.
|
| Jonathan
J,
They could have cared less about the names. The purpose was to collect
data - population numbers for Congressional reapportionment, info about life
expectancy, origins of immigrants, and any number of other reasons. The
names we glean from them are to be considered lagniappe, as we say here in
Cajun country.
--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana
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jj206
Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.
singhals wrote:
Hmmm, I don't see this. Some of the households on that page have two wage
earners, yet the numbers are all "1" that I can see, unless I am looking
somewhere else ?
Good idea. Darn, I did not see the image any better in Paint. However, I am
still messing with Paint Shop Pro to see behind the darker ink. There is a
menu choice called arithmetic, and that seems to almost work. I will fiddle
with it more tonight. (^:
Jonathan
The codes were statistical notations. One of the numbers is the number
of wage-earners in the household;
Hmmm, I don't see this. Some of the households on that page have two wage
earners, yet the numbers are all "1" that I can see, unless I am looking
somewhere else ?
d/l the image, pull it up in something like PAINT, and change the color
of the over-writing -- maybe even delete it as much as possible in an
800x view. What's left may help you decipher it. Or may not; I've had
both results.
Good idea. Darn, I did not see the image any better in Paint. However, I am
still messing with Paint Shop Pro to see behind the darker ink. There is a
menu choice called arithmetic, and that seems to almost work. I will fiddle
with it more tonight. (^:
Cheryl
Jonathan
jj206 wrote:
Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.
Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.
I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.
Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.
By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.
Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)
The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.
Just curious if other folks know about these codes.
I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/
take care,
Jonathan
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singhals
Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.
Dunno, it's the answer the Census Bureau gave a few years
back when they were asked. So far, it's worked in my families.
Are you maybe counting the sons who are "farm hands" as
wage-earners?
Cheryl
jj206 wrote:
back when they were asked. So far, it's worked in my families.
Are you maybe counting the sons who are "farm hands" as
wage-earners?
Cheryl
jj206 wrote:
singhals wrote:
The codes were statistical notations. One of the numbers is the
number of wage-earners in the household;
Hmmm, I don't see this. Some of the households on that page have two
wage earners, yet the numbers are all "1" that I can see, unless I am
looking somewhere else ?
d/l the image, pull it up in something like PAINT, and change the
color of the over-writing -- maybe even delete it as much as possible
in an 800x view. What's left may help you decipher it. Or may not;
I've had both results.
Good idea. Darn, I did not see the image any better in Paint. However, I
am still messing with Paint Shop Pro to see behind the darker ink.
There is a menu choice called arithmetic, and that seems to almost work.
I will fiddle with it more tonight. (^:
Cheryl
Jonathan
jj206 wrote:
Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.
Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.
I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.
Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.
By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.
Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)
The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.
Just curious if other folks know about these codes.
I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/
take care,
Jonathan
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Alan
Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.
One of the menu items in paint that have been helpful to me is "Invert
Colors".I have been able to decipher a lot of handwriting overlap
using it.
Colors".I have been able to decipher a lot of handwriting overlap
using it.
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jj206
Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.
Alan wrote:
Thank you for that idea Alan. I have done that on certain copier machines,
but very rarely on the computer.
smiles,
Jonathan
One of the menu items in paint that have been helpful to me is "Invert
Colors".I have been able to decipher a lot of handwriting overlap
using it.
Thank you for that idea Alan. I have done that on certain copier machines,
but very rarely on the computer.
smiles,
Jonathan
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jj206
Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.
singhals wrote:
Hi Cheryl,
On the image below, I can see a winery salesman living in the same home as
a mill laborer and they have different last names.
And they are both at 0 months unemployed for the year.
I'm trying to think of what else the 1 could stand for besides wage earners
in the house. It is possible that with a thousand 1's showing up, it might
be just inertia to just put 1 all the time and forget to double check on
that census page ?
Jonathan
Dunno, it's the answer the Census Bureau gave a few years back when they
were asked. So far, it's worked in my families.
Are you maybe counting the sons who are "farm hands" as wage-earners?
Cheryl
Hi Cheryl,
On the image below, I can see a winery salesman living in the same home as
a mill laborer and they have different last names.
And they are both at 0 months unemployed for the year.
I'm trying to think of what else the 1 could stand for besides wage earners
in the house. It is possible that with a thousand 1's showing up, it might
be just inertia to just put 1 all the time and forget to double check on
that census page ?
Jonathan
I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/
take care,
Jonathan
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singhals
Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.
jj206 wrote:
ANYthing is _possible_, but the Census Bureau explanation is
the official one, what was SUPPOSED to happen. If reality
doesn't match, oops ... some data-analyst made a mistake.
However, thing is -- the mill worker is a HoH, who happens
to be living in the same building as the salesman. See the
"1f" by the occupation of the mill worker.
And, since I'm here, I think the word is nursery, not
winery. Compare with the Ns in New York; contrast with the
W in Wisconsin.
Cheryl
singhals wrote:
Dunno, it's the answer the Census Bureau gave a few years back when
they were asked. So far, it's worked in my families.
Are you maybe counting the sons who are "farm hands" as wage-earners?
Cheryl
Hi Cheryl,
On the image below, I can see a winery salesman living in the same home
as a mill laborer and they have different last names.
And they are both at 0 months unemployed for the year.
I'm trying to think of what else the 1 could stand for besides wage
earners in the house. It is possible that with a thousand 1's showing
up, it might be just inertia to just put 1 all the time and forget to
double check on that census page ?
Jonathan
I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/
take care,
Jonathan
ANYthing is _possible_, but the Census Bureau explanation is
the official one, what was SUPPOSED to happen. If reality
doesn't match, oops ... some data-analyst made a mistake.
However, thing is -- the mill worker is a HoH, who happens
to be living in the same building as the salesman. See the
"1f" by the occupation of the mill worker.
And, since I'm here, I think the word is nursery, not
winery. Compare with the Ns in New York; contrast with the
W in Wisconsin.
Cheryl