Odd Codes on certain census pages.

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Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av jj206 » 08 okt 2007 01:43:40

Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.

Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.

I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.

Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.

By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.

Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)

The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.

Just curious if other folks know about these codes.

I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/

take care,

Jonathan

Liz_in_Calgary

Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av Liz_in_Calgary » 08 okt 2007 06:18:33

It looks like Tom to me - but the M seems to be a capital
letter.

So, at the family search page for 1880, he is listed as M.O.
- maybe that is what he calls himself.

take care
Liz



On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:43:40 -0700, in alt.genealogy jj206
<jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote :

Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.

Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.

I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.

Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.

By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.

Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)

The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.

Just curious if other folks know about these codes.

I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/

take care,

Jonathan

singhals

Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av singhals » 08 okt 2007 15:41:27

The codes were statistical notations. One of the numbers is
the number of wage-earners in the household; next number is
the number dependent on that wage-earner (that's the one
that generally has the pf). The 2c, 1R etc break down the
dependents into categories. The outcome was published in
the Statistical Abstract of the 1900 census.

d/l the image, pull it up in something like PAINT, and
change the color of the over-writing -- maybe even delete it
as much as possible in an 800x view. What's left may help
you decipher it. Or may not; I've had both results.

Cheryl



jj206 wrote:

Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.

Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.

I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.

Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.

By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.

Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)

The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.

Just curious if other folks know about these codes.

I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/

take care,

Jonathan

Tara

Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av Tara » 08 okt 2007 16:44:46

In 1850 and 1870, he's listed as Montraville, so while I can't really make
it out in 1900, I'd guess it's Mont O.

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Tara Larkin
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"jj206" <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in message
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Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.

Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.

I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.

Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.

By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.

Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)

The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.

Just curious if other folks know about these codes.

I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/

take care,

Jonathan

Alida Spry

Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av Alida Spry » 08 okt 2007 17:50:22

"jj206" <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in message
news:1191815301.69519@bubbleator.drizzle.com...
Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.

Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.

I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.

Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.

By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.

Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)

The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.

Just curious if other folks know about these codes.

I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/

take care,

Jonathan


Whle I wouldn't have guess it said Mont O without the info you gave, once I
looked at, I can definitely see Mont O on that census from ancetry.

The Mo is under the letter p and the n is under the f then you see the t
then the 5 and finally the O.

Sorry I don't know anything about the codes.

Alida

Alida Spry

Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av Alida Spry » 08 okt 2007 18:05:16

"Alida Spry" <a_spry@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"jj206" <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in message
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Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.

Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.

I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/

take care,

Jonathan


Whle I wouldn't have guess it said Mont O without the info you gave, once
I looked at, I can definitely see Mont O on that census from ancetry.

The Mo is under the letter p and the n is under the f then you see the t
then the 5 and finally the O.

Sorry I don't know anything about the codes.

Alida


Gosh, sorry for all my typos. I must be out of it today.

Alida

jj206

Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av jj206 » 10 okt 2007 02:09:56

Tara wrote:
In 1850 and 1870, he's listed as Montraville, so while I can't really make
it out in 1900, I'd guess it's Mont O.


Thank you for looking at it, Tara. Goodness knows why they wrote on top of
people's names instead of other blank areas of the census page.

Jonathan

jj206

Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av jj206 » 10 okt 2007 02:46:18

Alida Spry wrote:
"jj206" <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in message
news:1191815301.69519@bubbleator.drizzle.com...
Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.

Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.

I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.

Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.

By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.

Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)

The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.

Just curious if other folks know about these codes.

I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/

take care,

Jonathan


Whle I wouldn't have guess it said Mont O without the info you gave, once I
looked at, I can definitely see Mont O on that census from ancetry.

The Mo is under the letter p and the n is under the f then you see the t
then the 5 and finally the O.

Sorry I don't know anything about the codes.

Alida

Thanks for looking at it. Your eyesight is better than mine.

Jonathan

Henry Brownlee

Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av Henry Brownlee » 10 okt 2007 03:43:40

"jj206" <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in message
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| Tara wrote:
| > In 1850 and 1870, he's listed as Montraville, so while I can't really
make
| > it out in 1900, I'd guess it's Mont O.
|
|
| Thank you for looking at it, Tara. Goodness knows why they wrote on top of
| people's names instead of other blank areas of the census page.
|
| Jonathan

J,

They could have cared less about the names. The purpose was to collect
data - population numbers for Congressional reapportionment, info about life
expectancy, origins of immigrants, and any number of other reasons. The
names we glean from them are to be considered lagniappe, as we say here in
Cajun country.

--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana

jj206

Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av jj206 » 10 okt 2007 05:55:29

singhals wrote:
The codes were statistical notations. One of the numbers is the number
of wage-earners in the household;

Hmmm, I don't see this. Some of the households on that page have two wage
earners, yet the numbers are all "1" that I can see, unless I am looking
somewhere else ?

d/l the image, pull it up in something like PAINT, and change the color
of the over-writing -- maybe even delete it as much as possible in an
800x view. What's left may help you decipher it. Or may not; I've had
both results.

Good idea. Darn, I did not see the image any better in Paint. However, I am
still messing with Paint Shop Pro to see behind the darker ink. There is a
menu choice called arithmetic, and that seems to almost work. I will fiddle
with it more tonight. (^:

Cheryl

Jonathan



jj206 wrote:

Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.

Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.

I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.

Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.

By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.

Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)

The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.

Just curious if other folks know about these codes.

I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/

take care,

Jonathan

singhals

Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av singhals » 10 okt 2007 20:49:02

Dunno, it's the answer the Census Bureau gave a few years
back when they were asked. So far, it's worked in my families.

Are you maybe counting the sons who are "farm hands" as
wage-earners?

Cheryl

jj206 wrote:

singhals wrote:

The codes were statistical notations. One of the numbers is the
number of wage-earners in the household;


Hmmm, I don't see this. Some of the households on that page have two
wage earners, yet the numbers are all "1" that I can see, unless I am
looking somewhere else ?

d/l the image, pull it up in something like PAINT, and change the
color of the over-writing -- maybe even delete it as much as possible
in an 800x view. What's left may help you decipher it. Or may not;
I've had both results.


Good idea. Darn, I did not see the image any better in Paint. However, I
am still messing with Paint Shop Pro to see behind the darker ink.
There is a menu choice called arithmetic, and that seems to almost work.
I will fiddle with it more tonight. (^:

Cheryl


Jonathan




jj206 wrote:

Recently I was looking at one of my families in 1900 US Census.

Preston Family in Madison Township, Lake Co, Ohio, USA.
Series: T623 Roll: 1291 Page: 31 on Heritage Quest.

I noticed a lot of writing on top of the census pages, which
is kind of annoying trying to read through it. But it looks
like it was probably WPA census projects on population.

Some of the codes seem to be counting and recounting quality
assurance. The ink is darker than the underlying ink.

By the head of household it shows 5 - 1 with a line
under it and then pf - 5. This seems to be 5 people in the
home and pf seems to be Latin for promissa fides or promise
assurance.

Further over on the census page, it says 1C for 1 Child.
2R stands for 2 relatives (other than children). 1B
stands for 1 boarder. (The number can change depending on
how many are in the home.)

The main reason I was trying to figure it out, is the over
writing has obscured the reading of Mr Preston's first name.
Ancestry.com thinks it is Noah O. And Heritage Quest seems
to think it is Mort. On other census pages it is Montraville
and on one it is Montreville, so it maybe Mort was a nickname
but then again, maybe it was a nickname of Mont in reality.

Just curious if other folks know about these codes.

I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/

take care,

Jonathan

Alan

Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av Alan » 11 okt 2007 00:39:21

One of the menu items in paint that have been helpful to me is "Invert
Colors".I have been able to decipher a lot of handwriting overlap
using it.

jj206

Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av jj206 » 12 okt 2007 09:32:25

Alan wrote:
One of the menu items in paint that have been helpful to me is "Invert
Colors".I have been able to decipher a lot of handwriting overlap
using it.

Thank you for that idea Alan. I have done that on certain copier machines,
but very rarely on the computer.

smiles,

Jonathan

jj206

Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av jj206 » 12 okt 2007 09:48:52

singhals wrote:
Dunno, it's the answer the Census Bureau gave a few years back when they
were asked. So far, it's worked in my families.

Are you maybe counting the sons who are "farm hands" as wage-earners?

Cheryl

Hi Cheryl,

On the image below, I can see a winery salesman living in the same home as
a mill laborer and they have different last names.

And they are both at 0 months unemployed for the year.

I'm trying to think of what else the 1 could stand for besides wage earners
in the house. It is possible that with a thousand 1's showing up, it might
be just inertia to just put 1 all the time and forget to double check on
that census page ?

Jonathan

I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/

take care,

Jonathan

singhals

Re: Odd Codes on certain census pages.

Legg inn av singhals » 12 okt 2007 15:21:30

jj206 wrote:

singhals wrote:

Dunno, it's the answer the Census Bureau gave a few years back when
they were asked. So far, it's worked in my families.

Are you maybe counting the sons who are "farm hands" as wage-earners?

Cheryl


Hi Cheryl,

On the image below, I can see a winery salesman living in the same home
as a mill laborer and they have different last names.

And they are both at 0 months unemployed for the year.

I'm trying to think of what else the 1 could stand for besides wage
earners in the house. It is possible that with a thousand 1's showing
up, it might be just inertia to just put 1 all the time and forget to
double check on that census page ?

Jonathan

I put the jpg image of the census page here on flickr.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23467948@N00/1510617650/

take care,

Jonathan


ANYthing is _possible_, but the Census Bureau explanation is
the official one, what was SUPPOSED to happen. If reality
doesn't match, oops ... some data-analyst made a mistake.

However, thing is -- the mill worker is a HoH, who happens
to be living in the same building as the salesman. See the
"1f" by the occupation of the mill worker.

And, since I'm here, I think the word is nursery, not
winery. Compare with the Ns in New York; contrast with the
W in Wisconsin.

Cheryl

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