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coal mine death of Italian immigrant records

Legg inn av tombates@city-net.com » 08 aug 2007 00:10:15

My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900 and
subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. Might the
Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the accident as he was
an Italian citizen
Mary Bates

James A. Doemer

Re: coal mine death of Italian immigrant records

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 08 aug 2007 00:26:21

In News 1186528215.015004.57170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com,,
tombates@city-net.com at tombates@city-net.com, typed this:

My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900 and
subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. Might the
Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the accident as he was
an Italian citizen
Mary Bates

Around 1900? I highly doubt it, but it never hurts to try. The Coal Mining
Industry wasn't exactly that forthcoming with accident reporting. My
Grandpa Lawson, for example, was in an mining accident around the
Amhurstdale, W. VA area back in the 1930's and had his back broke. He
survived, but was never the same again. He applied for disability in the
1960's as well as Black Lung in the late 1960's, long after his mining
career was over and he had to document the accident through his own medical
records (Which fortunately he had the presence of mind to keep) before they
would grant his disability. The mining company had long since been out of
business, and did not (and probably wasn't required to in the 1930's) keep
or report such accidents. If they didn't report it to our own government in
the 1930's, I doubt that they would have reported it to the Italian
Government in 1900. However, another family member may have reported it.

Carl

Re: coal mine death of Italian immigrant records

Legg inn av Carl » 08 aug 2007 00:35:22

You might try a Google search - "coal mine accidents" <state, if known>
If you can narrow the search to a county, many historical libraries have
logs of the disasters.

Carl
tombates@city-net.com wrote:
My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900 and
subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. Might the
Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the accident as he was
an Italian citizen
Mary Bates

Gjest

Re: coal mine death of Italian immigrant records

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 aug 2007 15:41:00

On Aug 7, 6:35 pm, Carl <cwsa...@dejazzd.com> wrote:
You might try a Google search - "coal mine accidents" <state, if known
If you can narrow the search to a county, many historical libraries have
logs of the disasters.

Carl



tomba...@city-net.com wrote:
My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900 and
subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. Might the
Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the accident as he was
an Italian citizen
Mary Bates- Hide quoted text -

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8-8-2007

It would help in the search for information if you knew exactly where
in Pennsylvania (what city or county) he lived in at the time of his
death. Also local newspapers for that area could be scouted. Please
mention his name and date of death (if you know the date) so I can try
to find information on this for you. If he was married and had a wife
anchildren that accompanied him here, please mention their names as
well, along with what city in Italy he came from.

GENEALOGICAL RESEARCHER

Hugh Watkins

Re: coal mine death of Italian immigrant records

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 08 aug 2007 17:18:16

keith345@hotmail.com wrote:

On Aug 7, 6:35 pm, Carl <cwsa...@dejazzd.com> wrote:

You might try a Google search - "coal mine accidents" <state, if known
If you can narrow the search to a county, many historical libraries have
logs of the disasters.

Carl



tomba...@city-net.com wrote:

My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900 and
subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. Might the
Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the accident as he was
an Italian citizen
Mary Bates- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


8-8-2007

It would help in the search for information if you knew exactly where
in Pennsylvania (what city or county) he lived in at the time of his
death. Also local newspapers for that area could be scouted. Please
mention his name and date of death (if you know the date) so I can try
to find information on this for you. If he was married and had a wife
anchildren that accompanied him here, please mention their names as
well, along with what city in Italy he came from.

look for newspaper reports

In UK we have inspectors who report to a ministry about mining accidents
would thgis be at state or federal level in USA?

Hugh W



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Re: coal mine death of Italian immigrant records

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 08 aug 2007 17:26:17

In article <1186528215.015004.57170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
"tombates@city-net.com" <tombates@city-net.com> writes:
My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900 and
subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. Might the
Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the accident as he was
an Italian citizen
Mary Bates


There were certainly other areas, but there were many Italian
coal miners to be found in Pittston, Luzerne County, PA, back
around the turn of the last century. It wouldn't hurt to
check with the RC churches, the local newspaper and the city
and county governments.

HTH,
Bob Melson


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Robert Melson

Re: coal mine death of Italian immigrant records

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 08 aug 2007 17:29:12

In article <5hu8m9F3mk26dU1@mid.individual.net>,
Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> writes:
keith345@hotmail.com wrote:

On Aug 7, 6:35 pm, Carl <cwsa...@dejazzd.com> wrote:

You might try a Google search - "coal mine accidents" <state, if known
If you can narrow the search to a county, many historical libraries have
logs of the disasters.

Carl



tomba...@city-net.com wrote:

My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900 and
subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. Might the
Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the accident as he was
an Italian citizen
Mary Bates- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


8-8-2007

It would help in the search for information if you knew exactly where
in Pennsylvania (what city or county) he lived in at the time of his
death. Also local newspapers for that area could be scouted. Please
mention his name and date of death (if you know the date) so I can try
to find information on this for you. If he was married and had a wife
anchildren that accompanied him here, please mention their names as
well, along with what city in Italy he came from.

look for newspaper reports

In UK we have inspectors who report to a ministry about mining accidents
would thgis be at state or federal level in USA?

Hugh W




Given the era, it's problematic that there was any such body at
any level of government. I'd tend to start looking at as low
a level as possible and begin with Luzerne County government,
then work up. (Lots of Italian miners in Pittston, Luzerne
County; no doubt in other locations, but ...)

Bob Melson

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Allen

Re: coal mine death of Italian immigrant records

Legg inn av Allen » 08 aug 2007 20:18:39

James A. Doemer wrote:
In News 1186528215.015004.57170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com,,
tombates@city-net.com at tombates@city-net.com, typed this:

My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900 and
subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. Might the
Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the accident as he was
an Italian citizen
Mary Bates

Around 1900? I highly doubt it, but it never hurts to try. The Coal Mining
Industry wasn't exactly that forthcoming with accident reporting. My
Grandpa Lawson, for example, was in an mining accident around the
Amhurstdale, W. VA area back in the 1930's and had his back broke. He
survived, but was never the same again. He applied for disability in the
1960's as well as Black Lung in the late 1960's, long after his mining
career was over and he had to document the accident through his own medical
records (Which fortunately he had the presence of mind to keep) before they
would grant his disability. The mining company had long since been out of
business, and did not (and probably wasn't required to in the 1930's) keep
or report such accidents. If they didn't report it to our own government in
the 1930's, I doubt that they would have reported it to the Italian
Government in 1900. However, another family member may have reported it.


The coal mining owners were among the most cold-blooded people in the

history of America. There was a great deal of reform in it in the late
1930s and 1940s, thanks to the president of the United Mine Workers,
John Llewellen Lewis. He was reviled by the majority of the people in
the US, who saw him as a person who was simply trying to mess up the
economy, but his efforts led to much safer and overall better conditions
in coal mining. One thing he accomplished was portal-to-portal pay,
under which the time clock started for workers when they actually
reported for work, as opposed to when they reached the bottom of the
mine. A much misunderstood and under-appreciated person.
Allen

ecunningham

Re: coal mine death of Italian immigrant records

Legg inn av ecunningham » 08 aug 2007 20:37:04

tombates@city-net.com wrote:
My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900 and
subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. Might the
Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the accident as he was
an Italian citizen

Mary: There are numerous references to mining databases searching thru
GOOGLE.
Here's one: http://www.gendisasters.com/pa/mines.htm

I also saw PA Bureau of Mines listings and US Bureau of Mines
listings. There was a 1900 mine accident in Mahanoy City in 1900 which
killed seven men. I think you need to exhaust all resources here
before the Italian Embassy. Newspapers, including the NY Times,
reported on mine accidents and named names. Good hunting.
ecunningham@att.net

James A. Doemer

Re: coal mine death of Italian immigrant records

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 09 aug 2007 02:48:23

In News 46ba1709$0$4915$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, Allen at
allen@nothere.net, typed this:

James A. Doemer wrote:
In News 1186528215.015004.57170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com,,
tombates@city-net.com at tombates@city-net.com, typed this:

My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900
and subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. Might the
Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the
accident as he was an Italian citizen
Mary Bates

Around 1900? I highly doubt it, but it never hurts to try. The
Coal Mining Industry wasn't exactly that forthcoming with accident
reporting. My Grandpa Lawson, for example, was in an mining
accident around the Amhurstdale, W. VA area back in the 1930's and
had his back broke. He survived, but was never the same again. He
applied for disability in the 1960's as well as Black Lung in the
late 1960's, long after his mining career was over and he had to
document the accident through his own medical records (Which
fortunately he had the presence of mind to keep) before they would
grant his disability. The mining company had long since been out of
business, and did not (and probably wasn't required to in the
1930's) keep or report such accidents. If they didn't report it to
our own government in the 1930's, I doubt that they would have
reported it to the Italian Government in 1900. However, another
family member may have reported it.
The coal mining owners were among the most cold-blooded people in the
history of America. There was a great deal of reform in it in the late
1930s and 1940s, thanks to the president of the United Mine Workers,
John Llewellen Lewis. He was reviled by the majority of the people in
the US, who saw him as a person who was simply trying to mess up the
economy, but his efforts led to much safer and overall better
conditions in coal mining. One thing he accomplished was
portal-to-portal pay, under which the time clock started for workers
when they actually reported for work, as opposed to when they reached
the bottom of the mine. A much misunderstood and under-appreciated
person. Allen


My Grandma Lawson (nee. O'Quinn) told me some pretty harsh stories about
living in the mining camps in the 1910's, 20's, and 30's. She was a
daughter of a lumber jack working for the Ritter Lumber Company, in
Virginia. What little pay you did get was in company script, not real
cash, so once you were "employed" with the Lumber Company, your chances of
being able to just quit and leave for anything other than another lumber or
mining company was pretty much nonexistent. You had to shop at the company
store, buy the company goods, and live in the camp shacks. Later, she
married her first husband who was a coal miner and found herself in pretty
much the same situation, except in a mining camp. Her first husband, who
was also her second cousin, was an abusive drunk and she finally took their
two sons and left him and went back home to her father, who wasn't that
pleased to see her show up. However, he did take her back in. Then she
met Grandpa Lawson and they got married along about 1936. He was also a
coal miner, and a drunk in those days, but at least he wasn't abusive. He
had his accident and was given a job as a deputy Sherriff, I think it was
Logan County, West Virginia. He and his brother, One-Armed Harry Lawson
(William Harrison Lawson) were both Deputies.

One armed Harry Lawson was so named because, obviously, he had only one arm.
Apparently he was leaned up against the wall of the mine, as he was also a
coal miner, smoking a cigarette (in the mine no less) when a large piece of
shale fell down and whacked his arm clean off, just above the elbow.
Grandpa said that Harry turned to him and said, "Well damned Walt, I've lost
my damned arm!". Grandpa took his belt off and made a tourniquet and
Harry picked up his arm and walked out of the mine. I think that was the
end of both of their mining careers. Anyway, Granduncle Harry died in
1955, as I recall, someone told me that the smoking got him. Emphysema and
all that. Grandpa quit smoking when cigarettes reached the outrageous price
of a quarter a pack and avoided that and lived until 1989.

Although it's been a lot of years I did read about John Llewellen Lewis.
You're right, a misunderstood and underappreciated person. Then again,
many if not approaching all of the early union pioneers found themselves on
the wrong side of public opinion at one time or another. Hazards of the
job I guess.

singhals

Re: coal mine death of Italian immigrant records

Legg inn av singhals » 09 aug 2007 15:13:02

tombates@city-net.com wrote:

My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900 and
subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. Might the
Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the accident as he was
an Italian citizen
Mary Bates


The Embassy probably wasn't even notified. Notification of
the foreign national's Embassy or consulate isn't required
and generally isn't done UNLESS the family wants to return
the body to the home country (the embassy can smooth the
paperwork hurdle but rarely contributes money to the cause).

IF you have a town in PA, start with the local newspapers
and letters to the local RC churches.

If you don't have a town, start at the Pa. Bureau of Mines
or their predecessor. Or try the Pa statewide death
registrations, which were probably adequate by 1900.

FWIW

Cheryl

RobertB

Re: coal mine death of Italian immigrant records

Legg inn av RobertB » 31 des 2007 19:12:57

In article <1186528215.015004.57170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
"tombates@city-net.com" <tombates@city-net.com> wrote:

My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900 and
subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. Might the
Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the accident as he was
an Italian citizen
Mary Bates

Do you know where in PA? My grandfather worked in the mines in PA when
he arrived in the US. That would have been around 1916 I believe. He
worked there for about three years.

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Charani

Re: coal mine death of Italian immigrant records

Legg inn av Charani » 01 jan 2008 15:47:54

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:12:57 -0500, RobertB wrote:

In article
"tombates@city-net.com" wrote:

My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900
and subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania.
Might the Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the
accident as he was an Italian citizen

Do you know where in PA? My grandfather worked in the mines in PA
when he arrived in the US. That would have been around 1916 I
believe. He worked there for about three years.

(Sorry about piggy backing here, I don't have the original post.)

I would have though newspapers would have been a good bet for details
of a mining accident.

I wouldn't have expected the Italian embassy or consulate would have
had any information except maybe a death registration, if it was
notified to them.
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Robert Melson

Re: coal mine death of Italian immigrant records

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 01 jan 2008 19:10:14

In article <477a5193$0$47115$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,
Charani <SGBNOSPAM@ mail2genes.invalid> writes:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:12:57 -0500, RobertB wrote:

In article
"tombates@city-net.com" wrote:

My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900
and subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania.
Might the Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the
accident as he was an Italian citizen

Do you know where in PA? My grandfather worked in the mines in PA
when he arrived in the US. That would have been around 1916 I
believe. He worked there for about three years.

(Sorry about piggy backing here, I don't have the original post.)

I would have though newspapers would have been a good bet for details
of a mining accident.

I wouldn't have expected the Italian embassy or consulate would have
had any information except maybe a death registration, if it was
notified to them.

I'm sure there must be other areas, but my wife's grandfather
went to Pittston, in Luzerne County, PA, as a miner. There
was a large Italian community there at the time, mostly miners.
Might be worth checking the local obits, news reports.

Bob

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