SSDI Query
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JDLail@Yahoo.com
SSDI Query
Howdy All
I am in the midst of matching all the SSDI entries for my surname
and its many varaiants to previous research and databases. A
huge percentage of my folks were born and/or died in states
where I have access to the birth and death record indexes. So
I have a lot of data.
The problem is that I am seeing a disturbing number of cases
where the SSDI year of birth varies by a year or so from a
birth index, death index, or tombstone.
My questions are;
1) is this commonplace ?
2) is there a known cause for this ? Could people have lied about
their ages for some reason ?
(Note, 95% of the people using my variants are family and I research
the other 5% in self-defense.)
I am in the midst of matching all the SSDI entries for my surname
and its many varaiants to previous research and databases. A
huge percentage of my folks were born and/or died in states
where I have access to the birth and death record indexes. So
I have a lot of data.
The problem is that I am seeing a disturbing number of cases
where the SSDI year of birth varies by a year or so from a
birth index, death index, or tombstone.
My questions are;
1) is this commonplace ?
2) is there a known cause for this ? Could people have lied about
their ages for some reason ?
(Note, 95% of the people using my variants are family and I research
the other 5% in self-defense.)
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the_verminator@comcast.ne
Re: SSDI Query
On May 22, 11:50 pm, "JDL...@Yahoo.com" <JDL...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge the date of birth is taken from the
application for a social security card.. and yes, some people do lie
for a number of reasons.
Howdy All
I am in the midst of matching all the SSDI entries for my surname
and its many varaiants to previous research and databases. A
huge percentage of my folks were born and/or died in states
where I have access to the birth and death record indexes. So
I have a lot of data.
The problem is that I am seeing a disturbing number of cases
where the SSDI year of birth varies by a year or so from a
birth index, death index, or tombstone.
My questions are;
1) is this commonplace ?
2) is there a known cause for this ? Could people have lied about
their ages for some reason ?
(Note, 95% of the people using my variants are family and I research
the other 5% in self-defense.)
To the best of my knowledge the date of birth is taken from the
application for a social security card.. and yes, some people do lie
for a number of reasons.
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John
Re: SSDI Query
The social security death index is compiled from those deaths that are
reported to SS in order to collect the $250.00 death benefit that they
provide. If you are not reported your name is not in the index. The
reporting is usually done by his or her spouse. Sometimes the funeral home
director will make the notification if requested to do so. Only one person
(husband or wife) gets the survivor benefit. The person making the
notification may or may not have the correct DOB and that is the date they
use. They really don't care what the date of birth is... they only want to
know when to stop paying the SS payment when a person dies.
Dates are dates and you can have many dates for any one person. I have an
uncle that I have several documents for, birth, death, military, marriage,
SS death index, bank records, will, and on only two of those documents do
they match and the birth certificate is not one of them. Who knows why.
Use the birth certificate as the DOB and list all the other dates with the
source of the date. The further you go back the worst the problem gets and
it is very common.
<JDLail@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:944shvg1jhe1k5on8cjo5oggr1ephcjj05@4ax.com...
reported to SS in order to collect the $250.00 death benefit that they
provide. If you are not reported your name is not in the index. The
reporting is usually done by his or her spouse. Sometimes the funeral home
director will make the notification if requested to do so. Only one person
(husband or wife) gets the survivor benefit. The person making the
notification may or may not have the correct DOB and that is the date they
use. They really don't care what the date of birth is... they only want to
know when to stop paying the SS payment when a person dies.
Dates are dates and you can have many dates for any one person. I have an
uncle that I have several documents for, birth, death, military, marriage,
SS death index, bank records, will, and on only two of those documents do
they match and the birth certificate is not one of them. Who knows why.
Use the birth certificate as the DOB and list all the other dates with the
source of the date. The further you go back the worst the problem gets and
it is very common.
<JDLail@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:944shvg1jhe1k5on8cjo5oggr1ephcjj05@4ax.com...
Howdy All
I am in the midst of matching all the SSDI entries for my surname
and its many varaiants to previous research and databases. A
huge percentage of my folks were born and/or died in states
where I have access to the birth and death record indexes. So
I have a lot of data.
The problem is that I am seeing a disturbing number of cases
where the SSDI year of birth varies by a year or so from a
birth index, death index, or tombstone.
My questions are;
1) is this commonplace ?
2) is there a known cause for this ? Could people have lied about
their ages for some reason ?
(Note, 95% of the people using my variants are family and I research
the other 5% in self-defense.)
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singhals
Re: SSDI Query
JDLail@Yahoo.com wrote:
Yes, very.
For the older entries (anyone born before 1936,
specifically), it's most likely because the person didn't
actually KNOW whether he/she was born in 1900 or 1901 -- it
wasn't nearly as important in 1930 as it was in 1970.
COULD they have lied? Of course, and some women with
over-nice attitudes would have deducted a year from their
own age, or added a year to their husband's so as to be
younger than their husband.
OTOH, to collect benefits under the SSA one needs to PROVE
one is age-eligible, so for anyone born in a locale that
made records the applicant had to produce a birth certificate.
Ditto: and so, a word of caution: if you have access to
more than one version of the SSDI, _USE_ it. At one time
there were three versions available -- I found people in
each version who weren't on the other two and I found people
in two who weren't on the third in higher proportions than
mere data-protection measures would have explained.
Cheryl
Howdy All
I am in the midst of matching all the SSDI entries for my surname
and its many varaiants to previous research and databases. A
huge percentage of my folks were born and/or died in states
where I have access to the birth and death record indexes. So
I have a lot of data.
The problem is that I am seeing a disturbing number of cases
where the SSDI year of birth varies by a year or so from a
birth index, death index, or tombstone.
My questions are;
1) is this commonplace ?
Yes, very.
2) is there a known cause for this ? Could people have lied about
their ages for some reason ?
For the older entries (anyone born before 1936,
specifically), it's most likely because the person didn't
actually KNOW whether he/she was born in 1900 or 1901 -- it
wasn't nearly as important in 1930 as it was in 1970.
COULD they have lied? Of course, and some women with
over-nice attitudes would have deducted a year from their
own age, or added a year to their husband's so as to be
younger than their husband.
OTOH, to collect benefits under the SSA one needs to PROVE
one is age-eligible, so for anyone born in a locale that
made records the applicant had to produce a birth certificate.
(Note, 95% of the people using my variants are family and I research
the other 5% in self-defense.)
Ditto: and so, a word of caution: if you have access to
more than one version of the SSDI, _USE_ it. At one time
there were three versions available -- I found people in
each version who weren't on the other two and I found people
in two who weren't on the third in higher proportions than
mere data-protection measures would have explained.
Cheryl
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clifto
Re: SSDI Query
JDLail@Yahoo.com wrote:
Never forget that on-line records are plus or minus a typo here and there.
--
Postulate a group whose intent is to destroy the United States from within
via anarchy and bankruptcy. The actions of the United States Congress are
completely consistent with the actions one would predict from such a group.
The problem is that I am seeing a disturbing number of cases
where the SSDI year of birth varies by a year or so from a
birth index, death index, or tombstone.
Never forget that on-line records are plus or minus a typo here and there.
--
Postulate a group whose intent is to destroy the United States from within
via anarchy and bankruptcy. The actions of the United States Congress are
completely consistent with the actions one would predict from such a group.
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MikeS
Re: SSDI Query
"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
news:wvSdnV71tuYfz8nbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@rcn.net...
I have found some records where the bapitsmal date appears as the date of
birth because the person could produce a baptismal record but not a birth
certificate.
Mike
news:wvSdnV71tuYfz8nbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@rcn.net...
JDLail@Yahoo.com wrote:
OTOH, to collect benefits under the SSA one needs to PROVE one is
age-eligible, so for anyone born in a locale that made records the
applicant had to produce a birth certificate.
I have found some records where the bapitsmal date appears as the date of
birth because the person could produce a baptismal record but not a birth
certificate.
Mike
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Hugh Watkins
Re: SSDI Query
JDLail@Yahoo.com wrote:
yes in UK too
I have seen memorial inscriptions that were wrong
because the lady was older than her family thought
Hugh W
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a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/
Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks
old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG
Howdy All
I am in the midst of matching all the SSDI entries for my surname
and its many varaiants to previous research and databases. A
huge percentage of my folks were born and/or died in states
where I have access to the birth and death record indexes. So
I have a lot of data.
The problem is that I am seeing a disturbing number of cases
where the SSDI year of birth varies by a year or so from a
birth index, death index, or tombstone.
My questions are;
1) is this commonplace ?
2) is there a known cause for this ? Could people have lied about
their ages for some reason ?
(Note, 95% of the people using my variants are family and I research
the other 5% in self-defense.)
yes in UK too
I have seen memorial inscriptions that were wrong
because the lady was older than her family thought
Hugh W
--
a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/
Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks
old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG
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Bruce Remick
Re: SSDI Query
"clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f2bei4-hbi.ln1@remote.clifto.com...
As are original records. Gotta be careful of them all, considering the
handwriting styles.
Bruce
news:f2bei4-hbi.ln1@remote.clifto.com...
JDLail@Yahoo.com wrote:
The problem is that I am seeing a disturbing number of cases
where the SSDI year of birth varies by a year or so from a
birth index, death index, or tombstone.
Never forget that on-line records are plus or minus a typo here and there.
As are original records. Gotta be careful of them all, considering the
handwriting styles.
Bruce
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Charlie Pie
Re: SSDI Query
On May 23, 4:56 pm, "the_vermina...@comcast.net"
<the_vermina...@comcast.net> wrote:
Of course you would know !
<the_vermina...@comcast.net> wrote:
On May 22, 11:50 pm, "JDL...@Yahoo.com" <JDL...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
Howdy All
I am in the midst of matching all the SSDI entries for my surname
and its many varaiants to previous research and databases. A
huge percentage of my folks were born and/or died in states
where I have access to the birth and death record indexes. So
I have a lot of data.
The problem is that I am seeing a disturbing number of cases
where the SSDI year of birth varies by a year or so from a
birth index, death index, or tombstone.
My questions are;
1) is this commonplace ?
2) is there a known cause for this ? Could people have lied about
their ages for some reason ?
(Note, 95% of the people using my variants are family and I research
the other 5% in self-defense.)
To the best of my knowledge the date of birth is taken from the
application for a social security card.. and yes, some people do lie
for a number of reasons.
Of course you would know !
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John
Re: SSDI Query
On Wed, 23 May 2007 04:50:48 GMT, "JDLail@Yahoo.com"
<JDLail@Yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes, people lie.
My maternal grandmother lied about her DOB to get a job - and she used
that date for a LONG time.
She also failed to tell her first child that said child was born 6
months before her parents' marriage - having copies of marriage and
birth certificates can reveal the skeletons in the closets
John
<JDLail@Yahoo.com> wrote:
Howdy All
I am in the midst of matching all the SSDI entries for my surname
and its many varaiants to previous research and databases. A
huge percentage of my folks were born and/or died in states
where I have access to the birth and death record indexes. So
I have a lot of data.
The problem is that I am seeing a disturbing number of cases
where the SSDI year of birth varies by a year or so from a
birth index, death index, or tombstone.
My questions are;
1) is this commonplace ?
2) is there a known cause for this ? Could people have lied about
their ages for some reason ?
(Note, 95% of the people using my variants are family and I research
the other 5% in self-defense.)
Yes, people lie.
My maternal grandmother lied about her DOB to get a job - and she used
that date for a LONG time.
She also failed to tell her first child that said child was born 6
months before her parents' marriage - having copies of marriage and
birth certificates can reveal the skeletons in the closets
John