Loose Ends and Dead Ends

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Tony Cooper

Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Tony Cooper » 30 apr 2007 22:50:16

This is *not* a request for assistance in obtaining information about
an ancestor, but a request for suggestions on going about searching
for information.

My basic tree is completed, but some of the branches are missing
information. For example, my (paternal) grandmother's father's name
is Richard Simmonds and his wife's maiden name is Angelina Hieath. I
don't have any dates (birth, death, marriage) or their parents. My
grandmother was born in Lebanon IN in 1892.

"Richard Simmonds" is not a unique name, no middle initial is known,
and the location of his birth/death is not known. Angelina is a dead
end.

What's the best route to start in obtaining more information?

Please, don't do this for me. I'd like to learn how to do it myself
since other branches have similar dead ends.


--


Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

Huntersglenn

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 01 mai 2007 01:24:37

It would help to know what resources you've already checked, so that you
don't end up being advised to look at things you've already looked at.

I'd also look at alternative spellings for their surnames, if you know
of any siblings (even if you've only heard rumors or stories of
siblings, that might help).

The GenWeb system is a great starting point:
http://www.usgenweb.org/

Check the county where your grandparents lived and died - maybe someone
has posted an obituary for either one of them. Check Indiana for your
grandmother. Some GenWeb sites have the census online, and the 1900
census, as someone else already mentioned, is a good source. Keep in
mind though that the information may not always be correct - it's still
a good start. Some of the GenWeb sites have birth and marriage records
online. Other sites have nothing more than queries.

Have you done a google search for either name? There might be someone
else out there researching the couple, or there might be a public record
out there with their name(s) in it.

If you have ancestry, then you can search the census records, military
records, etc. The Social Security Death Index is also a good place to
look, although if they died prior to 1962 (I think that's the correct
year), then you most likely won't find them in that index. The index
can be accessed at ancestry, but also for free at many other sites,
including RootsWeb.

At RootsWeb, you can check to see if there are surname forums for either
surname.

Familysearch.org is the site for the Family History Library/Center, and
they have many records online. They also have submitted files, and
those can sometimes be wrong, but even the wrong ones can point you in
the right direction.

Hope that helps,
Cathy


Tony Cooper wrote:
This is *not* a request for assistance in obtaining information about
an ancestor, but a request for suggestions on going about searching
for information.

My basic tree is completed, but some of the branches are missing
information. For example, my (paternal) grandmother's father's name
is Richard Simmonds and his wife's maiden name is Angelina Hieath. I
don't have any dates (birth, death, marriage) or their parents. My
grandmother was born in Lebanon IN in 1892.

"Richard Simmonds" is not a unique name, no middle initial is known,
and the location of his birth/death is not known. Angelina is a dead
end.

What's the best route to start in obtaining more information?

Please, don't do this for me. I'd like to learn how to do it myself
since other branches have similar dead ends.


Tony Cooper

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Tony Cooper » 01 mai 2007 05:24:17

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:31:06 GMT, Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

In article <9hoc33t6qerp0lrv5l4lqaefptue39s4d2@4ax.com>,
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:

This is *not* a request for assistance in obtaining information about
an ancestor, but a request for suggestions on going about searching
for information.

My basic tree is completed, but some of the branches are missing
information. For example, my (paternal) grandmother's father's name
is Richard Simmonds and his wife's maiden name is Angelina Hieath. I
don't have any dates (birth, death, marriage) or their parents. My
grandmother was born in Lebanon IN in 1892.

"Richard Simmonds" is not a unique name, no middle initial is known,
and the location of his birth/death is not known. Angelina is a dead
end.

What's the best route to start in obtaining more information?

Please, don't do this for me. I'd like to learn how to do it myself
since other branches have similar dead ends.

The first place I would look is the 1900 census for Indiana, this census
lists the birth month and year of every one, and the number of years the
parents were married, the number of children born to the marriage and
the number of children living, as well as the birthplace of all
individuals, as well as the birthplace of their parents.

I quickly found them in the census. You stated your grandmother was born
in Lebanon, Indiana, which is in Boone county, they are not in that
county and they don't have any daughter born in 1892, they do have two
twin daughters, Edna & Blanche, born in Dec. 1889, these are the only
daughters listed with this family.

Edna was my grandmother, and Blanche was her twin sister.

Based on your post, I started looking at every personal and web source
I could find to determine their date of birth:

Family records: 1892
The newspaper obituary: 1894 (personal source)
FamilySearch: 1892
Cemetery record: 1891 (personal source)
IGI: 1892
Ancestory.com: about 1890

Using RootsWeb and Ancestory.com's SSDI, no matches

Using FamilySearch's death index: 1891.

Plugging in the SS# from FamilySearch, no hits

I have one last thing to check: her passport. I have it here
somewhere, but I can't locate it tonight.

I have no idea where you got the 1899 date. She was married in 1911,
and surely older than 12 at the time. Blanche, the twin sister, was
married in 1908 and older than 9. Marriage records say Blanche was
19, which would make her birth year about 1889, but girls do lie to
get a marriage license.

One thing I've learned from this: never trust any single record.



My family records show that she was born in 15 December 1892.
--


Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

Tony Cooper

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Tony Cooper » 01 mai 2007 05:28:22

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:24:37 -0400, Huntersglenn
<huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote:

It would help to know what resources you've already checked, so that you
don't end up being advised to look at things you've already looked at.

I'm looking for the other way around. I hadn't done any search on
this name. I was asking about the best way to start to learn to do
future searches.

I've been doing searches on other family members, and I wanted to
improve my search sequence.

The Social Security Death Index is also a good place to
look, although if they died prior to 1962 (I think that's the correct
year), then you most likely won't find them in that index. The index
can be accessed at ancestry, but also for free at many other sites,
including RootsWeb.

See my other post on this.

Tony Cooper wrote:
This is *not* a request for assistance in obtaining information about
an ancestor, but a request for suggestions on going about searching
for information.

My basic tree is completed, but some of the branches are missing
information. For example, my (paternal) grandmother's father's name
is Richard Simmonds and his wife's maiden name is Angelina Hieath. I
don't have any dates (birth, death, marriage) or their parents. My
grandmother was born in Lebanon IN in 1892.

"Richard Simmonds" is not a unique name, no middle initial is known,
and the location of his birth/death is not known. Angelina is a dead
end.

What's the best route to start in obtaining more information?

Please, don't do this for me. I'd like to learn how to do it myself
since other branches have similar dead ends.


--


Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

Gerry

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Gerry » 01 mai 2007 06:23:22

In article <7eed33d4335oh2hmghqkgjds2st1afckj0@4ax.com>,
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:31:06 GMT, Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

In article <9hoc33t6qerp0lrv5l4lqaefptue39s4d2@4ax.com>,
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:

This is *not* a request for assistance in obtaining information about
an ancestor, but a request for suggestions on going about searching
for information.

My basic tree is completed, but some of the branches are missing
information. For example, my (paternal) grandmother's father's name
is Richard Simmonds and his wife's maiden name is Angelina Hieath. I
don't have any dates (birth, death, marriage) or their parents. My
grandmother was born in Lebanon IN in 1892.

"Richard Simmonds" is not a unique name, no middle initial is known,
and the location of his birth/death is not known. Angelina is a dead
end.

What's the best route to start in obtaining more information?

Please, don't do this for me. I'd like to learn how to do it myself
since other branches have similar dead ends.

The first place I would look is the 1900 census for Indiana, this census
lists the birth month and year of every one, and the number of years the
parents were married, the number of children born to the marriage and
the number of children living, as well as the birthplace of all
individuals, as well as the birthplace of their parents.

I quickly found them in the census. You stated your grandmother was born
in Lebanon, Indiana, which is in Boone county, they are not in that
county and they don't have any daughter born in 1892, they do have two
twin daughters, Edna & Blanche, born in Dec. 1889, these are the only
daughters listed with this family.

Edna was my grandmother, and Blanche was her twin sister.

Based on your post, I started looking at every personal and web source
I could find to determine their date of birth:

Family records: 1892
The newspaper obituary: 1894 (personal source)
FamilySearch: 1892
Cemetery record: 1891 (personal source)
IGI: 1892
Ancestory.com: about 1890

Using RootsWeb and Ancestory.com's SSDI, no matches

Using FamilySearch's death index: 1891.

Plugging in the SS# from FamilySearch, no hits

I have one last thing to check: her passport. I have it here
somewhere, but I can't locate it tonight.

I have no idea where you got the 1899 date.

The date if you check, above was Dec 1889, not 1899.

She was married in 1911,
and surely older than 12 at the time. Blanche, the twin sister, was
married in 1908 and older than 9. Marriage records say Blanche was
19, which would make her birth year about 1889, but girls do lie to
get a marriage license.

One thing I've learned from this: never trust any single record.

I just looked up your family in 1910 census, recorded in April, and both
Blanche and Edna list their ages as 20, which agrees with the Dec 1889
birth date. Blanche and her husband Allan T. Mason, age 26 is living
with Richard and Angeline.


My family records show that she was born in 15 December 1892.

Tony Cooper

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Tony Cooper » 01 mai 2007 13:00:19

On Tue, 01 May 2007 05:23:22 GMT, Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

One thing I've learned from this: never trust any single record.

I just looked up your family in 1910 census, recorded in April, and both
Blanche and Edna list their ages as 20, which agrees with the Dec 1889
birth date. Blanche and her husband Allan T. Mason, age 26 is living
with Richard and Angeline.

I'm sorry. I looked at so many dates last night in the various
searches that 1889 and 1899 looked the same, I guess.

You have the right people. Blanche's husband is "Todd" in all of the
family records, but that's the "T" in "Allan T".

I have a family photograph album with a picture of Todd, Blanche,
Edna, and Clyde (my grandfather) all standing and laughing at
something. Probably about telling either the census taker or the
marriage license clerk the wrong age.

I checked dozens of sources last night, and forgot to note one of
them. It had Blanche born on a date about two weeks different from
her identical twin sister Edna.

I am still perplexed about not finding Edna in one SSDI, but finding
her listed in the SSDI from another source. It does mean that I'll
have to double-check on future searches for other family members.
--


Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

Huntersglenn

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 01 mai 2007 15:23:50

Tony Cooper wrote:

I am still perplexed about not finding Edna in one SSDI, but finding
her listed in the SSDI from another source. It does mean that I'll
have to double-check on future searches for other family members.

The difference sites update at different times. From my own personal
experience with my relatives, I've found that ancestry.com updates
quicker than the others (which is odd since RootsWeb is connected to
ancestry and you'd think that they'd update at the same time). Other
people might find that the other SSDI sites update quicker on the people
that they're looking for. But definitely, if you don't see the person
in one source, try another. But, not all deceased individuals end up
there - the death has to be reported to Social Security (telling
Medicare that the person is dead doesn't count, you have to let both
institutions know, even though Medicare is administred through the
Social Security Administration). Also, if the person died before 1962,
you might not find them there, because the system wasn't computerized
until 1962. However, with all things, there's a 'but'. There are some
deaths in the index that are prior to that year, but for the most part,
if the person you're searching for died prior to 1962, don't expect to
find them there - instead just be surprised if you do <grin>.

If you do need assistance with look-ups or images from ancestry, don't
hesitate to ask. Many of us have subscirptions and don't mind helping
out, especially if you've done all the footwork in narrowing down the
name, location, etc.

Cathy

Gerry

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Gerry » 01 mai 2007 16:13:27

In article <mn9e335qqb4p5c93groccq8d15rgv9db82@4ax.com>,

On Tue, 01 May 2007 05:23:22 GMT, Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

One thing I've learned from this: never trust any single record.

I just looked up your family in 1910 census, recorded in April, and both
Blanche and Edna list their ages as 20, which agrees with the Dec 1889
birth date. Blanche and her husband Allan T. Mason, age 26 is living
with Richard and Angeline.

Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:


I'm sorry. I looked at so many dates last night in the various
searches that 1889 and 1899 looked the same, I guess.

You have the right people. Blanche's husband is "Todd" in all of the
family records, but that's the "T" in "Allan T".

I have a family photograph album with a picture of Todd, Blanche,
Edna, and Clyde (my grandfather) all standing and laughing at
something. Probably about telling either the census taker or the
marriage license clerk the wrong age.

I checked dozens of sources last night, and forgot to note one of
them. It had Blanche born on a date about two weeks different from
her identical twin sister Edna.

I am still perplexed about not finding Edna in one SSDI, but finding
her listed in the SSDI from another source. It does mean that I'll
have to double-check on future searches for other family members.

A good rule of thumb to remember is the document closest to the event is
usually the most accurate. It's harder to be off by several years when
you are only 10 years of age, then when you are already dead and you
must rely upon someone's faded memory.

The Social Security Death Index information has a starting date of
about 1965-66, so if they died previous to this date they likely would
not appear, and also not everyone had a Social Security number, I've
seen many women who are listed under their husband's number.

What is Clyde's last name? I could aslo check for this family for your.

Doug Corbin

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Doug Corbin » 01 mai 2007 17:06:26

The first thing I usually do when researching a new name is to see if
someone else has already done any research. I check the LDS website at
http://www.familysearch.org Rootsweb's World Connect at
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi and the family trees on Ancestry.com.
I also look on Heritage Quest in their collection of family histories. If
I'm lucky and someone has researched the person then I use their research
for a guide and see if I can verify what they say they found.

I looked on World Connect for your Richard and Angeline Simmonds. More than
one person has submitted information or both Richard's and Angeline's
families. There seems to be a disagreement on who Richard's parents were,
but you can use that information and see what if any of it is correct.

If I don't find any previous research then I usually start by doing a census
search for the individual to see where they lived and where to look for
other records. I also try a Google search to see if someone has posted
information on the person somewhere on the internet.

Doug


"Tony Cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9hoc33t6qerp0lrv5l4lqaefptue39s4d2@4ax.com...
This is *not* a request for assistance in obtaining information about
an ancestor, but a request for suggestions on going about searching
for information.

My basic tree is completed, but some of the branches are missing
information. For example, my (paternal) grandmother's father's name
is Richard Simmonds and his wife's maiden name is Angelina Hieath. I
don't have any dates (birth, death, marriage) or their parents. My
grandmother was born in Lebanon IN in 1892.

"Richard Simmonds" is not a unique name, no middle initial is known,
and the location of his birth/death is not known. Angelina is a dead
end.

What's the best route to start in obtaining more information?

Please, don't do this for me. I'd like to learn how to do it myself
since other branches have similar dead ends.


--


Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

Gerry

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Gerry » 01 mai 2007 17:35:52

In article
<everyday-CACF73.08132701052007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

In article <mn9e335qqb4p5c93groccq8d15rgv9db82@4ax.com>,

On Tue, 01 May 2007 05:23:22 GMT, Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

One thing I've learned from this: never trust any single record.

I just looked up your family in 1910 census, recorded in April, and both
Blanche and Edna list their ages as 20, which agrees with the Dec 1889
birth date. Blanche and her husband Allan T. Mason, age 26 is living
with Richard and Angeline.

Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:

I'm sorry. I looked at so many dates last night in the various
searches that 1889 and 1899 looked the same, I guess.

You have the right people. Blanche's husband is "Todd" in all of the
family records, but that's the "T" in "Allan T".

I have a family photograph album with a picture of Todd, Blanche,
Edna, and Clyde (my grandfather) all standing and laughing at
something. Probably about telling either the census taker or the
marriage license clerk the wrong age.

I checked dozens of sources last night, and forgot to note one of
them. It had Blanche born on a date about two weeks different from
her identical twin sister Edna.

I am still perplexed about not finding Edna in one SSDI, but finding
her listed in the SSDI from another source. It does mean that I'll
have to double-check on future searches for other family members.

A good rule of thumb to remember is the document closest to the event is
usually the most accurate. It's harder to be off by several years when
you are only 10 years of age, then when you are already dead and you
must rely upon someone's faded memory.

The Social Security Death Index information has a starting date of
about 1965-66, so if they died previous to this date they likely would
not appear, and also not everyone had a Social Security number, I've
seen many women who are listed under their husband's number.

What is Clyde's last name? I could aslo check for this family for your.

Followup based on another responder I found the following information:

EDNA COOPERIDER
b. 15 Dec 1891
d. Nov 1968
Last residence: 33707 (Saint Petersburg, Pinellas, FL)
SS#304-32-5683 - Issued in Indiana

Blanche (Simmonds) Mason died 16 JUL 1940, so would not be in the SSDI

A genealogy found at the RootsWeb World Connect web site indicated that
both Edna and Blanche were born 5 Dec 1890.

Tara

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Tara » 01 mai 2007 19:49:09

"Tony Cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9hoc33t6qerp0lrv5l4lqaefptue39s4d2@4ax.com...
This is *not* a request for assistance in obtaining information about
an ancestor, but a request for suggestions on going about searching
for information.

My basic tree is completed, but some of the branches are missing
information. For example, my (paternal) grandmother's father's name
is Richard Simmonds and his wife's maiden name is Angelina Hieath. I
don't have any dates (birth, death, marriage) or their parents. My
grandmother was born in Lebanon IN in 1892.

"Richard Simmonds" is not a unique name, no middle initial is known,
and the location of his birth/death is not known. Angelina is a dead
end.

What's the best route to start in obtaining more information?

Please, don't do this for me. I'd like to learn how to do it myself
since other branches have similar dead ends.


--


Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

The "route" one takes towards finding info generally depends on what you
have easily available to you and what you find there that will lead you down
certain paths.

For me, Ancestry.com is what I have easily available, so I generally exhaust
that and then go searching in other sources for whatever
questions/possibilities arise there. I know you said "don't do the research
for me" but I kinda had to look around to see what was available. I'll just
tell you what steps I went through, not any specifics, and let you go from
there.

I started with the census, since that is well indexed on Ancestry and can
provide a lot of information quickly. I found Richard and Angeline in 1900
(since that was the closest date to where I had the starting info) then was
able to quickly follow that up with the 1880, 1910, 1920 and 1930. Then I
looked them over to see how consistent the info was. Their ages stay
consistent throughout, which is good. Angeline seems more sure of her
parents birthplaces that Richard does. The 1910 birthplace info is reversed
for them, which probably means the enumerator misunderstood, or one of the
kids provided the info and got them confused. I'd guess enumerator error,
since everything else looks pretty good (not that it matters how the error
was made, just that you recognize that it's there). I also looked at a map
of where they were at each census to get an idea of travel habits and
general movement. That can be helpful sometimes. Occasionally you find
someone who was enamored with "The West" and is always going to be at least
one state over every ten years, trying to find that perfect spot he read
about as a boy or something.

Anyway, then, still on Ancestry, I took a peek at Indiana marriage records.
since that seemed like a likely place given the census info. I found a
record for an Anjeline Hieatt that looked good. Having researched some
Hyatt/Hiatts in my tree a few years back, that was the first name that came
to mind when you mentioned Hieath.

I also looked for death and/or cemetery info and newspaper articles but
found nothing of interest. Then I looked at family trees and found the
disagreement that Doug found about Richard's mother's identity.

I decided to try and follow Richard back in the census to check parents
names. 1860 and 1850 seemed pretty straightforward. I'll let you draw your
own conclusions on who you think Richard's mother is. In trying to find an
area to look for his parent's marriage info, the 1840 census yielded two
possibilities. The Butler County Ohio area seemed more likely to me, being
closer to Franklin County, Indiana. Too bad, because the Jackson county
census had possible relatives living next door, which could be useful down
the road. Also, another peek at the Indiana marriage records shed some light
on the 1860 census info. (Sorry to be so cryptic, trying to let you find
things yourself.)

The Ancestry info dried up at that point and I took a whirl around a few
GenWeb sites for various counties, but found nothing more.

Then I switched over to Angeline. There seemed to be only one good
possibility in the 1870 and 1860 census, and when I compared that to known
family tree info, I found another disagreement over the mother's identity,
and nothing to show that anyone had connected her to Richard before, she
just deadends on those trees. It's tough to guess which one her mother is.
No large gap in when the children were born, no marriage info online to
compare with her birthdate.

Anyway, the next step, for me, would be combing through the GenWeb/Rootsweb
info more thoroughly to see what I can glean. Taking a look at FamilySearch
and seeing what they have. Then doing research to see what sources are
available to order on film or to request from a county clerk or historical
society or something along those lines.

This is just the path I took with what I had available. Other paths would be
different when other sources are available. They can all work. The main
thing is to be methodical and thorough.

--
Tara Larkin
Remove NO SPAM to reply by email.

Tony Cooper

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Tony Cooper » 01 mai 2007 22:27:18

On Tue, 01 May 2007 10:23:50 -0400, Huntersglenn
<huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote:

If you do need assistance with look-ups or images from ancestry, don't
hesitate to ask. Many of us have subscirptions and don't mind helping
out, especially if you've done all the footwork in narrowing down the
name, location, etc.

I have had difficulty explaining this in the past here, but - while I
do appreciate help - I also try to make an effort to learn how to do
things myself. Independent cuss, I guess.

It's the old "teach a man to fish" thing.

There will be times, I'm sure, when I'm stuck and will require help.
Right now, my problems are determining what the best sources are to
start looking myself. I discover new ones every day.

I have a three-month subscription to ancestry.com. It's not as easy
as you might think to use ancestry.com when you start out. I get lost
in a maze of links and jump-to's. It's interesting, though.


--


Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

Huntersglenn

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 01 mai 2007 22:45:15

Tony Cooper wrote:
I have had difficulty explaining this in the past here, but - while I
do appreciate help - I also try to make an effort to learn how to do
things myself. Independent cuss, I guess.

It's the old "teach a man to fish" thing.

There will be times, I'm sure, when I'm stuck and will require help.
Right now, my problems are determining what the best sources are to
start looking myself. I discover new ones every day.

I have a three-month subscription to ancestry.com. It's not as easy
as you might think to use ancestry.com when you start out. I get lost
in a maze of links and jump-to's. It's interesting, though.


One of the best ways to learn what ancestry.com (or the others) has to
offer is to offer to help other people with look-ups. You'll find that
a good majority of the people here who seem to know their way around
ancestry or the other services are those who respond to the majority of
the requests for assistance. The best way to be a good 'fisherman' is
to fish a lot <grin>.

Cathy

Tony Cooper

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Tony Cooper » 01 mai 2007 22:52:34

On Tue, 01 May 2007 16:35:52 GMT, Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

In article
everyday-CACF73.08132701052007@newsclst ... rodigy.com>,
Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

In article <mn9e335qqb4p5c93groccq8d15rgv9db82@4ax.com>,

On Tue, 01 May 2007 05:23:22 GMT, Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

One thing I've learned from this: never trust any single record.

I just looked up your family in 1910 census, recorded in April, and both
Blanche and Edna list their ages as 20, which agrees with the Dec 1889
birth date. Blanche and her husband Allan T. Mason, age 26 is living
with Richard and Angeline.

Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:

I'm sorry. I looked at so many dates last night in the various
searches that 1889 and 1899 looked the same, I guess.

You have the right people. Blanche's husband is "Todd" in all of the
family records, but that's the "T" in "Allan T".

I have a family photograph album with a picture of Todd, Blanche,
Edna, and Clyde (my grandfather) all standing and laughing at
something. Probably about telling either the census taker or the
marriage license clerk the wrong age.

I checked dozens of sources last night, and forgot to note one of
them. It had Blanche born on a date about two weeks different from
her identical twin sister Edna.

I am still perplexed about not finding Edna in one SSDI, but finding
her listed in the SSDI from another source. It does mean that I'll
have to double-check on future searches for other family members.

A good rule of thumb to remember is the document closest to the event is
usually the most accurate. It's harder to be off by several years when
you are only 10 years of age, then when you are already dead and you
must rely upon someone's faded memory.

The Social Security Death Index information has a starting date of
about 1965-66, so if they died previous to this date they likely would
not appear, and also not everyone had a Social Security number, I've
seen many women who are listed under their husband's number.

What is Clyde's last name? I could aslo check for this family for your.

Followup based on another responder I found the following information:

EDNA COOPERIDER
b. 15 Dec 1891
d. Nov 1968
Last residence: 33707 (Saint Petersburg, Pinellas, FL)
SS#304-32-5683 - Issued in Indiana

That's her.

Blanche (Simmonds) Mason died 16 JUL 1940, so would not be in the SSDI

A genealogy found at the RootsWeb World Connect web site

OK, this time I'm asking...can you give me a link for this? I can't
find it.

indicated that
both Edna and Blanche were born 5 Dec 1890.

Note the difference from the above data.


--


Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

Gerry

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Gerry » 01 mai 2007 23:30:45

In article <4vcf335gpb2812hhue5jcmr9h6hdnv49l8@4ax.com>,
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:

On Tue, 01 May 2007 16:35:52 GMT, Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

In article
everyday-CACF73.08132701052007@newsclst ... rodigy.com>,
Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

In article <mn9e335qqb4p5c93groccq8d15rgv9db82@4ax.com>,

On Tue, 01 May 2007 05:23:22 GMT, Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

One thing I've learned from this: never trust any single record.

I just looked up your family in 1910 census, recorded in April, and
both
Blanche and Edna list their ages as 20, which agrees with the Dec 1889
birth date. Blanche and her husband Allan T. Mason, age 26 is living
with Richard and Angeline.

Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:

I'm sorry. I looked at so many dates last night in the various
searches that 1889 and 1899 looked the same, I guess.

You have the right people. Blanche's husband is "Todd" in all of the
family records, but that's the "T" in "Allan T".

I have a family photograph album with a picture of Todd, Blanche,
Edna, and Clyde (my grandfather) all standing and laughing at
something. Probably about telling either the census taker or the
marriage license clerk the wrong age.

I checked dozens of sources last night, and forgot to note one of
them. It had Blanche born on a date about two weeks different from
her identical twin sister Edna.

I am still perplexed about not finding Edna in one SSDI, but finding
her listed in the SSDI from another source. It does mean that I'll
have to double-check on future searches for other family members.

A good rule of thumb to remember is the document closest to the event is
usually the most accurate. It's harder to be off by several years when
you are only 10 years of age, then when you are already dead and you
must rely upon someone's faded memory.

The Social Security Death Index information has a starting date of
about 1965-66, so if they died previous to this date they likely would
not appear, and also not everyone had a Social Security number, I've
seen many women who are listed under their husband's number.

What is Clyde's last name? I could aslo check for this family for your.

Followup based on another responder I found the following information:

EDNA COOPERIDER
b. 15 Dec 1891
d. Nov 1968
Last residence: 33707 (Saint Petersburg, Pinellas, FL)
SS#304-32-5683 - Issued in Indiana

That's her.

Blanche (Simmonds) Mason died 16 JUL 1940, so would not be in the SSDI

A genealogy found at the RootsWeb World Connect web site

OK, this time I'm asking...can you give me a link for this? I can't
find it.

The URL for the RootsWeb World Connect search engine is:

<http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi>

ABC

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av ABC » 02 mai 2007 05:03:22

On Tue, 01 May 2007 19:22:02 -0700, Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net>
wrote:

In article <fnsf33tcu6f85tgrsbp17knvcrskbcmnss@4ax.com>,
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:

On Tue, 01 May 2007 22:30:45 GMT, Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:


Followup based on another responder I found the following information:

EDNA COOPERIDER
b. 15 Dec 1891
d. Nov 1968
Last residence: 33707 (Saint Petersburg, Pinellas, FL)
SS#304-32-5683 - Issued in Indiana

That's her.

Blanche (Simmonds) Mason died 16 JUL 1940, so would not be in the SSDI

A genealogy found at the RootsWeb World Connect web site

OK, this time I'm asking...can you give me a link for this? I can't
find it.

The URL for the RootsWeb World Connect search engine is:

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi

Oh, I had that. I entered all the known data on Edna but it returned
"Nothing found matching your search criteria". What did I do wrong?

Sometimes not entering "all the known data" is the best strategy for
doing research, sometimes the "minimal" amount returns the best results.

I found information on your family by simply entering Richard Simmonds
with Adeline (I may have her name wrong) in the spouse field. No dates,
no places, no last name for spouse, etc.

Absolutely amazing. I tried what you tried and got nothing. Then I
checked the "fuzzy search" box and it turned up hits. Never tried
that fuzzy box before.

The hits included spellings of Angelina Hieath as Angeline Hiatt,
Hiett and Hieatt and a couple of new tree branches. Edna's brothers
names also have some different spellings than shown in family records.
I didn't check dates.

Anyway, ta. I'm learning things here about searches.





--


Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

Gene Y.

Re: Loose Ends and Dead Ends

Legg inn av Gene Y. » 02 mai 2007 13:12:09

Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 01 May 2007 16:35:52 GMT, Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

In article
everyday-CACF73.08132701052007@newsclst ... rodigy.com>,
Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

In article <mn9e335qqb4p5c93groccq8d15rgv9db82@4ax.com>,

On Tue, 01 May 2007 05:23:22 GMT, Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

One thing I've learned from this: never trust any single record.
I just looked up your family in 1910 census, recorded in April, and both
Blanche and Edna list their ages as 20, which agrees with the Dec 1889
birth date. Blanche and her husband Allan T. Mason, age 26 is living
with Richard and Angeline.
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:

I'm sorry. I looked at so many dates last night in the various
searches that 1889 and 1899 looked the same, I guess.

You have the right people. Blanche's husband is "Todd" in all of the
family records, but that's the "T" in "Allan T".

I have a family photograph album with a picture of Todd, Blanche,
Edna, and Clyde (my grandfather) all standing and laughing at
something. Probably about telling either the census taker or the
marriage license clerk the wrong age.

I checked dozens of sources last night, and forgot to note one of
them. It had Blanche born on a date about two weeks different from
her identical twin sister Edna.

I am still perplexed about not finding Edna in one SSDI, but finding
her listed in the SSDI from another source. It does mean that I'll
have to double-check on future searches for other family members.
A good rule of thumb to remember is the document closest to the event is
usually the most accurate. It's harder to be off by several years when
you are only 10 years of age, then when you are already dead and you
must rely upon someone's faded memory.

The Social Security Death Index information has a starting date of
about 1965-66, so if they died previous to this date they likely would
not appear, and also not everyone had a Social Security number, I've
seen many women who are listed under their husband's number.

What is Clyde's last name? I could aslo check for this family for your.
Followup based on another responder I found the following information:

EDNA COOPERIDER
b. 15 Dec 1891
d. Nov 1968
Last residence: 33707 (Saint Petersburg, Pinellas, FL)
SS#304-32-5683 - Issued in Indiana

That's her.

Blanche (Simmonds) Mason died 16 JUL 1940, so would not be in the SSDI

A genealogy found at the RootsWeb World Connect web site

OK, this time I'm asking...can you give me a link for this? I can't
find it.

indicated that
both Edna and Blanche were born 5 Dec 1890.

Note the difference from the above data.


I noticed that no one has mentioned Google. It can provide numerous LEADS to pursue, such as the

one below. This was the third choice returned on a search of Edna Cooperider. Google is an
excellent tool if used judiciously.

http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/fl ... garden.txt

Notes: Garden Sanctuary is located at 7950 - 131st Street North (Vonn Rd.)
in Seminole, Florida. It is situated on the West Side of 131st Street, two
tenths of a mile north of Park Boulevard.

COOPERIDER, Clyde R., b. 1917 d. 1982
COOPERIDER, Clyde W., b. 1891 d. 1965
COOPERIDER, Edna S., b. 1891 d. 1968
COOPERIDER, Mary B., b. 1915 d. 1987

Gene Y.

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