Long, Phelps, Woodley Deed Question
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Huntersglenn
Long, Phelps, Woodley Deed Question
I don't know if I asked this before, if I did, I didn't get a reply.
I've got a copy of a deed and I'm trying to figure out the
relationship(s) of the people involved. Be warned that this is a rather
long post.
One important thing is that the Washington County, NC courthouse had
some destruction of records in 1862, then had three fires, one in 1869,
one in 1873 and the other in 1881. The 1881 fire was extremely
damaging. As a result of all of this, the marriage records only date
from about 1851 (and those are spotty), will records are only from 1856,
although there are some estate records from 1799 (but not for these
people that I'm researching, at least not on the county level).
Basically, all I've got to go on are deeds, and possibly court records
and minutes, which I still have yet to check. First, I'll post the
transciption of the deed (question marks show where I couldn't make out
a word), then I'll post what I know of the people mentioned in the deed,
and my guess as to their relationship(s) to one another.
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State of North Carolina, Washington County, to all to whom these
presents shall come Greeting, know ye that we John H. Long, Bailey
Woodley and wife Charlotte, and Micajah Phelps and wife Evelina of the
County and State aforesaid, for and in consideration of the sum of fifty
dollars lawful money of this State to us in hand paid by Tabitha Long of
the same place, the receipt we do hereby acknowledge and ourselves to be
fully satisfied and Contended, have given, granted, bargained and sold
unto her the said Tabitha Long her heirs and assigns forever, And we the
said John H.Long, Bailey Woodly and wife Charlotte, Micajah Phelps and
wife Evelina doth hereby acquit all claim whatsoever to all the lands
whatsoever owned and ? by Benjmain Long, Jun, Dec'd. lying and being on
the South Side of Scuppernong River, and all other lands owned by him
the said Benjamin Long Jun, Dec'd. Whatsoever To have and to hold the
aforesaid granted and bargained premises of land with all the
appearances thereunto belong into until her the said Tabitha Long her
heirs and assigns forever, further we the said John H. Long, Baley
Woodly and wife Charlotte Woodly, Micajah Phelps and wife Evelina Phelps
will warrant and forever defend the aforesaid lands and premises from
the lawful claims of our heirs, Executors Administrators or assigns, and
from all other persons whatsoever. In Witness whereof we have hereunto
set our hands and seals this fourth day of September in the year of our
Lord one thousand either hundred and thirty. Signed sealed and delivered
in the presence of us – Eli Chesson (his mark) and Isham Long
John H. Long (Seal)
Baley Woodly (Seal)
Charlotte Woodly (Seal) (her mark)
Micajah Phelps (Seal) (his mark)
Evelina Phelps (Seal) (her mark)
Test Bennett Craddock (his mark)
Test Isham Long
Washington County Nov. Term 1834
This Deed of Sale for land from Ely Woodly, Jno. H. Long, Baley Woodly,
Charlotte Woodly, Micajah Phelps, Evelina Phelps to Tabitha Long as
proved in Open Court by the oath of Isham Long one of the subscribing
witnesses hereto. Ordered Registered
Registered Dec. 8, 1834
*************************************
Notice that an Ely Woodley is mentioned when the deed was registered,
but his name does not appear anywhere else in the deed.
Here's what I know about the people mentioned in the deed:
Benjamin Long, Jr. was a Head of household in Washington County, NC in
the 1820 census. He had 1 male in the 0-9 range, 1 in the 10-15 range
and 1 in the 26-44 range. There were two females aged 0-9, and 1 in the
16-44 range.
By the 1830 federal census, he's no longer shown. There is a Tabitha
Long who is making her first appearance as a Head of Household, with 1
male in the 10-15 age range and 1 female in the 40-50 range.
There are several John Longs in the 1830 Federal census for that county,
but Tabitha Long, Bailey Woodley, Micajah Phelps and an Isam Long are
all listed one after the other on the census page. A John Long is
listed several households below Isam Long.
Going by ages shown in later census years, Micajah Phelps was born about
1805, his wife Eveline about 1807. Charlotte Woodley died prior to
1845, so it's not known when she was born, or exactly when she died.
She did have a daughter in October of 1836, so she was still alive as of
that time. It's not known if she died in childbirth or died later.
Bailey remarried in 1845. In the 1850 census, Bailey does have a son,
also named Bailey, aged 17, so he and Charlotte could have been married
as early as 1832. Tabitha Long is not in the 1850 census, but there is
an Amariah Long, aged 30 as a head of household, listed just above
Micajah Phelps. In 1847, Tabitha and Amariah Long sold land to Micajah
Phelps.
My first guess as to how these people were related was that John Long,
Charlotte Woodly, Evelina Phelps are all children of Benjamin Long, Jr.,
with Tabitha either being their mother or step-mother. My second guess
is that they're siblings of Benjamin Long, Jr., with Tabitha being
Benjamin's widow.
Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions?
Thanks,
Cathy
I've got a copy of a deed and I'm trying to figure out the
relationship(s) of the people involved. Be warned that this is a rather
long post.
One important thing is that the Washington County, NC courthouse had
some destruction of records in 1862, then had three fires, one in 1869,
one in 1873 and the other in 1881. The 1881 fire was extremely
damaging. As a result of all of this, the marriage records only date
from about 1851 (and those are spotty), will records are only from 1856,
although there are some estate records from 1799 (but not for these
people that I'm researching, at least not on the county level).
Basically, all I've got to go on are deeds, and possibly court records
and minutes, which I still have yet to check. First, I'll post the
transciption of the deed (question marks show where I couldn't make out
a word), then I'll post what I know of the people mentioned in the deed,
and my guess as to their relationship(s) to one another.
*****************************
State of North Carolina, Washington County, to all to whom these
presents shall come Greeting, know ye that we John H. Long, Bailey
Woodley and wife Charlotte, and Micajah Phelps and wife Evelina of the
County and State aforesaid, for and in consideration of the sum of fifty
dollars lawful money of this State to us in hand paid by Tabitha Long of
the same place, the receipt we do hereby acknowledge and ourselves to be
fully satisfied and Contended, have given, granted, bargained and sold
unto her the said Tabitha Long her heirs and assigns forever, And we the
said John H.Long, Bailey Woodly and wife Charlotte, Micajah Phelps and
wife Evelina doth hereby acquit all claim whatsoever to all the lands
whatsoever owned and ? by Benjmain Long, Jun, Dec'd. lying and being on
the South Side of Scuppernong River, and all other lands owned by him
the said Benjamin Long Jun, Dec'd. Whatsoever To have and to hold the
aforesaid granted and bargained premises of land with all the
appearances thereunto belong into until her the said Tabitha Long her
heirs and assigns forever, further we the said John H. Long, Baley
Woodly and wife Charlotte Woodly, Micajah Phelps and wife Evelina Phelps
will warrant and forever defend the aforesaid lands and premises from
the lawful claims of our heirs, Executors Administrators or assigns, and
from all other persons whatsoever. In Witness whereof we have hereunto
set our hands and seals this fourth day of September in the year of our
Lord one thousand either hundred and thirty. Signed sealed and delivered
in the presence of us – Eli Chesson (his mark) and Isham Long
John H. Long (Seal)
Baley Woodly (Seal)
Charlotte Woodly (Seal) (her mark)
Micajah Phelps (Seal) (his mark)
Evelina Phelps (Seal) (her mark)
Test Bennett Craddock (his mark)
Test Isham Long
Washington County Nov. Term 1834
This Deed of Sale for land from Ely Woodly, Jno. H. Long, Baley Woodly,
Charlotte Woodly, Micajah Phelps, Evelina Phelps to Tabitha Long as
proved in Open Court by the oath of Isham Long one of the subscribing
witnesses hereto. Ordered Registered
Registered Dec. 8, 1834
*************************************
Notice that an Ely Woodley is mentioned when the deed was registered,
but his name does not appear anywhere else in the deed.
Here's what I know about the people mentioned in the deed:
Benjamin Long, Jr. was a Head of household in Washington County, NC in
the 1820 census. He had 1 male in the 0-9 range, 1 in the 10-15 range
and 1 in the 26-44 range. There were two females aged 0-9, and 1 in the
16-44 range.
By the 1830 federal census, he's no longer shown. There is a Tabitha
Long who is making her first appearance as a Head of Household, with 1
male in the 10-15 age range and 1 female in the 40-50 range.
There are several John Longs in the 1830 Federal census for that county,
but Tabitha Long, Bailey Woodley, Micajah Phelps and an Isam Long are
all listed one after the other on the census page. A John Long is
listed several households below Isam Long.
Going by ages shown in later census years, Micajah Phelps was born about
1805, his wife Eveline about 1807. Charlotte Woodley died prior to
1845, so it's not known when she was born, or exactly when she died.
She did have a daughter in October of 1836, so she was still alive as of
that time. It's not known if she died in childbirth or died later.
Bailey remarried in 1845. In the 1850 census, Bailey does have a son,
also named Bailey, aged 17, so he and Charlotte could have been married
as early as 1832. Tabitha Long is not in the 1850 census, but there is
an Amariah Long, aged 30 as a head of household, listed just above
Micajah Phelps. In 1847, Tabitha and Amariah Long sold land to Micajah
Phelps.
My first guess as to how these people were related was that John Long,
Charlotte Woodly, Evelina Phelps are all children of Benjamin Long, Jr.,
with Tabitha either being their mother or step-mother. My second guess
is that they're siblings of Benjamin Long, Jr., with Tabitha being
Benjamin's widow.
Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions?
Thanks,
Cathy
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singhals
Re: Long, Phelps, Woodley Deed Question
Huntersglenn wrote:
It bears considerable resemblence to a deed I've got in my
family. Since mine is later, it was easier to tell the
players. (Papa had died, mama had died, and the heirs were
solving the estate division by deeding 4 shares to the 5th
sib in return for that sib deeding other land to the other 4.)
I'd say the 1820 has Ben as the orphaned HoH for his
siblings by virtue of his sex not his age. By 1830, he's
dead, leaving Tabitha as the only over-21 in a two-person
household with the others scattered and unidentifiable in
other households.
The Ben -m- Tabby and they had ... scenario wouldn't work
too well -- in 1820, there were 3 kids under 10, they
couldn't ALL have been 9 yrs 11 months when the census was
taken and much less makes them too young to be married by
1830 (the boy in particular). Since the 1830 shows a 10-15
yr old, (who is thus established to have been between 0 and
5 in 1820) it is the older boy who is not listed in the
deed. Tab could have married a cousin, also surnamed LONG,
to explain Amariah?
Maybe? (g)
Cheryl
I don't know if I asked this before, if I did, I didn't get a reply.
I've got a copy of a deed and I'm trying to figure out the
relationship(s) of the people involved. Be warned that this is a rather
long post.
One important thing is that the Washington County, NC courthouse had
some destruction of records in 1862, then had three fires, one in 1869,
one in 1873 and the other in 1881. The 1881 fire was extremely
damaging. As a result of all of this, the marriage records only date
from about 1851 (and those are spotty), will records are only from 1856,
although there are some estate records from 1799 (but not for these
people that I'm researching, at least not on the county level).
Basically, all I've got to go on are deeds, and possibly court records
and minutes, which I still have yet to check. First, I'll post the
transciption of the deed (question marks show where I couldn't make out
a word), then I'll post what I know of the people mentioned in the deed,
and my guess as to their relationship(s) to one another.
*****************************
State of North Carolina, Washington County, to all to whom these
presents shall come Greeting, know ye that we John H. Long, Bailey
Woodley and wife Charlotte, and Micajah Phelps and wife Evelina of the
County and State aforesaid, for and in consideration of the sum of fifty
dollars lawful money of this State to us in hand paid by Tabitha Long of
the same place, the receipt we do hereby acknowledge and ourselves to be
fully satisfied and Contended, have given, granted, bargained and sold
unto her the said Tabitha Long her heirs and assigns forever, And we the
said John H.Long, Bailey Woodly and wife Charlotte, Micajah Phelps and
wife Evelina doth hereby acquit all claim whatsoever to all the lands
whatsoever owned and ? by Benjmain Long, Jun, Dec'd. lying and being on
the South Side of Scuppernong River, and all other lands owned by him
the said Benjamin Long Jun, Dec'd. Whatsoever To have and to hold the
aforesaid granted and bargained premises of land with all the
appearances thereunto belong into until her the said Tabitha Long her
heirs and assigns forever, further we the said John H. Long, Baley
Woodly and wife Charlotte Woodly, Micajah Phelps and wife Evelina Phelps
will warrant and forever defend the aforesaid lands and premises from
the lawful claims of our heirs, Executors Administrators or assigns, and
from all other persons whatsoever. In Witness whereof we have hereunto
set our hands and seals this fourth day of September in the year of our
Lord one thousand either hundred and thirty. Signed sealed and delivered
in the presence of us – Eli Chesson (his mark) and Isham Long
John H. Long (Seal)
Baley Woodly (Seal)
Charlotte Woodly (Seal) (her mark)
Micajah Phelps (Seal) (his mark)
Evelina Phelps (Seal) (her mark)
Test Bennett Craddock (his mark)
Test Isham Long
Washington County Nov. Term 1834
This Deed of Sale for land from Ely Woodly, Jno. H. Long, Baley Woodly,
Charlotte Woodly, Micajah Phelps, Evelina Phelps to Tabitha Long as
proved in Open Court by the oath of Isham Long one of the subscribing
witnesses hereto. Ordered Registered
Registered Dec. 8, 1834
*************************************
Notice that an Ely Woodley is mentioned when the deed was registered,
but his name does not appear anywhere else in the deed.
Here's what I know about the people mentioned in the deed:
Benjamin Long, Jr. was a Head of household in Washington County, NC in
the 1820 census. He had 1 male in the 0-9 range, 1 in the 10-15 range
and 1 in the 26-44 range. There were two females aged 0-9, and 1 in the
16-44 range.
By the 1830 federal census, he's no longer shown. There is a Tabitha
Long who is making her first appearance as a Head of Household, with 1
male in the 10-15 age range and 1 female in the 40-50 range.
There are several John Longs in the 1830 Federal census for that county,
but Tabitha Long, Bailey Woodley, Micajah Phelps and an Isam Long are
all listed one after the other on the census page. A John Long is
listed several households below Isam Long.
Going by ages shown in later census years, Micajah Phelps was born about
1805, his wife Eveline about 1807. Charlotte Woodley died prior to
1845, so it's not known when she was born, or exactly when she died. She
did have a daughter in October of 1836, so she was still alive as of
that time. It's not known if she died in childbirth or died later.
Bailey remarried in 1845. In the 1850 census, Bailey does have a son,
also named Bailey, aged 17, so he and Charlotte could have been married
as early as 1832. Tabitha Long is not in the 1850 census, but there is
an Amariah Long, aged 30 as a head of household, listed just above
Micajah Phelps. In 1847, Tabitha and Amariah Long sold land to Micajah
Phelps.
My first guess as to how these people were related was that John Long,
Charlotte Woodly, Evelina Phelps are all children of Benjamin Long, Jr.,
with Tabitha either being their mother or step-mother. My second guess
is that they're siblings of Benjamin Long, Jr., with Tabitha being
Benjamin's widow.
Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions?
Thanks,
Cathy
It bears considerable resemblence to a deed I've got in my
family. Since mine is later, it was easier to tell the
players. (Papa had died, mama had died, and the heirs were
solving the estate division by deeding 4 shares to the 5th
sib in return for that sib deeding other land to the other 4.)
I'd say the 1820 has Ben as the orphaned HoH for his
siblings by virtue of his sex not his age. By 1830, he's
dead, leaving Tabitha as the only over-21 in a two-person
household with the others scattered and unidentifiable in
other households.
The Ben -m- Tabby and they had ... scenario wouldn't work
too well -- in 1820, there were 3 kids under 10, they
couldn't ALL have been 9 yrs 11 months when the census was
taken and much less makes them too young to be married by
1830 (the boy in particular). Since the 1830 shows a 10-15
yr old, (who is thus established to have been between 0 and
5 in 1820) it is the older boy who is not listed in the
deed. Tab could have married a cousin, also surnamed LONG,
to explain Amariah?
Maybe? (g)
Cheryl
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Huntersglenn
Re: Long, Phelps, Woodley Deed Question
singhals wrote:
Thanks for your thoughts on that. It would be a lot easier if those
early records were still around (sigh). There was a Benjamin Long,
Senior in the 1820 Federal Census, with the other Benjamin designated as
Junior. But, those designations don't always indicate relationship -
I've seen deeds and court minutes where the Senior and Junior
designations were used to distinguish between the elder and younger of
two men with the same name in the county. Then again, I've also seen it
where those designations did mean father and son, and also grandfather
and grandson, uncle and nephew.
This Benjamin Long, Senior was still alive as of the 1830 Federal
census, although he no longer had Senior as a designation.
For 1820, Benjamin Long Senior had the following household:
1 male in the 0-9 range, 1 male in the 16-25 range, 1 male in the 26-44
range, 1 female in the 10-15 range and 2 females in the 26-44 range.
For 1830, this Benjamin Long had the following household:
1 male in the 5-10 range, 1 male in the 50-60 range, 1 female in the 0-5
range and 2 females in the 20-30 range.
This Benjamin Long is not shown on any of the pages near where the other
people from the deed are living.
I've also looked at Bailey Woodley in other census records, and in 1850
he has a son named Bennet, but in 1860, this Bennet has turned into a
Benjamin. He would have been one of the children of Charlotte and not
from Bailey's second marriage.
And to further muddy the waters where Tabitha is concerned, in the 1840
census, her household had 2 males in the 20-30 range and 1 female in the
60-70 range. One male should be Amariah Long - he's 30 as of the 1850
census, so that matches up. I have no clue as to who the additional
male might have been.
Even though there are no death records from those years (which even if
North Carolina had required them then, they most likely would have been
destroyed in the courthouse either during the bombardment or the fires),
I do have a death year for Tabitha Long, because her death is mentioned
in the minutes from the church she attended. On December 16, 1843, it's
mentioned that Tabitha Longs is deceased. It does not appear that
Benjamin Long was a member of that church, no mention of him at all.
Anyway, thanks again for your thoughts on this mess. Would I be out of
line to show Charlotte Woodley and Evelina Phelps with a maiden name of
Long?
Thanks,
Cathy
It bears considerable resemblence to a deed I've got in my family.
Since mine is later, it was easier to tell the players. (Papa had died,
mama had died, and the heirs were solving the estate division by deeding
4 shares to the 5th sib in return for that sib deeding other land to the
other 4.)
I'd say the 1820 has Ben as the orphaned HoH for his siblings by virtue
of his sex not his age. By 1830, he's dead, leaving Tabitha as the only
over-21 in a two-person household with the others scattered and
unidentifiable in other households.
The Ben -m- Tabby and they had ... scenario wouldn't work too well --
in 1820, there were 3 kids under 10, they couldn't ALL have been 9 yrs
11 months when the census was taken and much less makes them too young
to be married by 1830 (the boy in particular). Since the 1830 shows a
10-15 yr old, (who is thus established to have been between 0 and 5 in
1820) it is the older boy who is not listed in the deed. Tab could have
married a cousin, also surnamed LONG, to explain Amariah?
Maybe? (g)
Cheryl
Thanks for your thoughts on that. It would be a lot easier if those
early records were still around (sigh). There was a Benjamin Long,
Senior in the 1820 Federal Census, with the other Benjamin designated as
Junior. But, those designations don't always indicate relationship -
I've seen deeds and court minutes where the Senior and Junior
designations were used to distinguish between the elder and younger of
two men with the same name in the county. Then again, I've also seen it
where those designations did mean father and son, and also grandfather
and grandson, uncle and nephew.
This Benjamin Long, Senior was still alive as of the 1830 Federal
census, although he no longer had Senior as a designation.
For 1820, Benjamin Long Senior had the following household:
1 male in the 0-9 range, 1 male in the 16-25 range, 1 male in the 26-44
range, 1 female in the 10-15 range and 2 females in the 26-44 range.
For 1830, this Benjamin Long had the following household:
1 male in the 5-10 range, 1 male in the 50-60 range, 1 female in the 0-5
range and 2 females in the 20-30 range.
This Benjamin Long is not shown on any of the pages near where the other
people from the deed are living.
I've also looked at Bailey Woodley in other census records, and in 1850
he has a son named Bennet, but in 1860, this Bennet has turned into a
Benjamin. He would have been one of the children of Charlotte and not
from Bailey's second marriage.
And to further muddy the waters where Tabitha is concerned, in the 1840
census, her household had 2 males in the 20-30 range and 1 female in the
60-70 range. One male should be Amariah Long - he's 30 as of the 1850
census, so that matches up. I have no clue as to who the additional
male might have been.
Even though there are no death records from those years (which even if
North Carolina had required them then, they most likely would have been
destroyed in the courthouse either during the bombardment or the fires),
I do have a death year for Tabitha Long, because her death is mentioned
in the minutes from the church she attended. On December 16, 1843, it's
mentioned that Tabitha Longs is deceased. It does not appear that
Benjamin Long was a member of that church, no mention of him at all.
Anyway, thanks again for your thoughts on this mess. Would I be out of
line to show Charlotte Woodley and Evelina Phelps with a maiden name of
Long?
Thanks,
Cathy
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singhals
Re: Long, Phelps, Woodley Deed Question
Huntersglenn wrote:
I suppose you _could_ so long as you mark it plainly as
tentative. The thing I hate about those pre-1850 census is
that they're counting bodies, not family -- I have one pair
that is utterly impossible ... After 30 years, the best I
can do is say, The 2nd census includes two households --
which two, can't say, but it IS two households, most likely
with a common but unnamed parent to the two older men.
You've used that form that helps isolate the ages? I don't
even remember what it's called, let alone where I got my
copy, but it's essentially a spreadsheet on paper, one sheet
per person, with a row for each census and a column for each
age-grouping.
Does DAR have anything useful to the cause?
Cheryl
singhals wrote:
It bears considerable resemblence to a deed I've got in my family.
Since mine is later, it was easier to tell the players. (Papa had
died, mama had died, and the heirs were solving the estate division by
deeding 4 shares to the 5th sib in return for that sib deeding other
land to the other 4.)
I'd say the 1820 has Ben as the orphaned HoH for his siblings by
virtue of his sex not his age. By 1830, he's dead, leaving Tabitha as
the only over-21 in a two-person household with the others scattered
and unidentifiable in other households.
The Ben -m- Tabby and they had ... scenario wouldn't work too well --
in 1820, there were 3 kids under 10, they couldn't ALL have been 9 yrs
11 months when the census was taken and much less makes them too young
to be married by 1830 (the boy in particular). Since the 1830 shows a
10-15 yr old, (who is thus established to have been between 0 and 5
in 1820) it is the older boy who is not listed in the deed. Tab could
have married a cousin, also surnamed LONG, to explain Amariah?
Maybe? (g)
Cheryl
Thanks for your thoughts on that. It would be a lot easier if those
early records were still around (sigh). There was a Benjamin Long,
Senior in the 1820 Federal Census, with the other Benjamin designated as
Junior. But, those designations don't always indicate relationship -
I've seen deeds and court minutes where the Senior and Junior
designations were used to distinguish between the elder and younger of
two men with the same name in the county. Then again, I've also seen it
where those designations did mean father and son, and also grandfather
and grandson, uncle and nephew.
This Benjamin Long, Senior was still alive as of the 1830 Federal
census, although he no longer had Senior as a designation.
For 1820, Benjamin Long Senior had the following household:
1 male in the 0-9 range, 1 male in the 16-25 range, 1 male in the 26-44
range, 1 female in the 10-15 range and 2 females in the 26-44 range.
For 1830, this Benjamin Long had the following household:
1 male in the 5-10 range, 1 male in the 50-60 range, 1 female in the 0-5
range and 2 females in the 20-30 range.
This Benjamin Long is not shown on any of the pages near where the other
people from the deed are living.
I've also looked at Bailey Woodley in other census records, and in 1850
he has a son named Bennet, but in 1860, this Bennet has turned into a
Benjamin. He would have been one of the children of Charlotte and not
from Bailey's second marriage.
And to further muddy the waters where Tabitha is concerned, in the 1840
census, her household had 2 males in the 20-30 range and 1 female in the
60-70 range. One male should be Amariah Long - he's 30 as of the 1850
census, so that matches up. I have no clue as to who the additional
male might have been.
Even though there are no death records from those years (which even if
North Carolina had required them then, they most likely would have been
destroyed in the courthouse either during the bombardment or the fires),
I do have a death year for Tabitha Long, because her death is mentioned
in the minutes from the church she attended. On December 16, 1843, it's
mentioned that Tabitha Longs is deceased. It does not appear that
Benjamin Long was a member of that church, no mention of him at all.
Anyway, thanks again for your thoughts on this mess. Would I be out of
line to show Charlotte Woodley and Evelina Phelps with a maiden name of
Long?
Thanks,
Cathy
I suppose you _could_ so long as you mark it plainly as
tentative. The thing I hate about those pre-1850 census is
that they're counting bodies, not family -- I have one pair
that is utterly impossible ... After 30 years, the best I
can do is say, The 2nd census includes two households --
which two, can't say, but it IS two households, most likely
with a common but unnamed parent to the two older men.
You've used that form that helps isolate the ages? I don't
even remember what it's called, let alone where I got my
copy, but it's essentially a spreadsheet on paper, one sheet
per person, with a row for each census and a column for each
age-grouping.
Does DAR have anything useful to the cause?
Cheryl
-
Huntersglenn
Re: Long, Phelps, Woodley Deed Question
singhals wrote:
I think I will list them as tentative in the notes.
This is a recent find, and I haven't yet had a chance to look at DAR
records. There were some Long families in that area around the time of
the Revolution, so it's possible that someone might have sent something
in at one time.
I haven't seen that form that you mention - it would definitely be
helpful. I did look at yet another census - the 1810 one, and sure
enough, there are two Benjamin Longs shown. I didn't look to see the
household details yet. I'm not sure that my brain can handle any more
puzzle pieces at the moment <grin>!
Thanks for your thoughts.
Cathy
Huntersglenn wrote:
I suppose you _could_ so long as you mark it plainly as tentative. The
thing I hate about those pre-1850 census is that they're counting
bodies, not family -- I have one pair that is utterly impossible ...
After 30 years, the best I can do is say, The 2nd census includes two
households -- which two, can't say, but it IS two households, most
likely with a common but unnamed parent to the two older men.
You've used that form that helps isolate the ages? I don't even
remember what it's called, let alone where I got my copy, but it's
essentially a spreadsheet on paper, one sheet per person, with a row for
each census and a column for each age-grouping.
Does DAR have anything useful to the cause?
Cheryl
I think I will list them as tentative in the notes.
This is a recent find, and I haven't yet had a chance to look at DAR
records. There were some Long families in that area around the time of
the Revolution, so it's possible that someone might have sent something
in at one time.
I haven't seen that form that you mention - it would definitely be
helpful. I did look at yet another census - the 1810 one, and sure
enough, there are two Benjamin Longs shown. I didn't look to see the
household details yet. I'm not sure that my brain can handle any more
puzzle pieces at the moment <grin>!
Thanks for your thoughts.
Cathy
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Gene Y.
Re: Long, Phelps, Woodley Deed Question
Huntersglenn wrote:
She is talking about censusmate calculator.xls from http://www.CensusMate.com. There are some very useful
excel sheets available there.
Gene Y.
Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox.
I haven't seen that form that you mention - it would definitely be
helpful. I did look at yet another census - the 1810 one, and sure
enough, there are two Benjamin Longs shown. I didn't look to see the
household details yet. I'm not sure that my brain can handle any more
puzzle pieces at the moment <grin>!
Thanks for your thoughts.
Cathy
She is talking about censusmate calculator.xls from http://www.CensusMate.com. There are some very useful
excel sheets available there.
Gene Y.
Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox.
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singhals
Re: Long, Phelps, Woodley Deed Question
Gene Y. wrote:
YES! That's it. Thanks.
The old brain has been busily atrophying since I went on
Gramma-duty.
Cheryl
Huntersglenn wrote:
I haven't seen that form that you mention - it would definitely be
helpful. I did look at yet another census - the 1810 one, and sure
enough, there are two Benjamin Longs shown. I didn't look to see the
household details yet. I'm not sure that my brain can handle any more
puzzle pieces at the moment <grin>!
Thanks for your thoughts.
Cathy
She is talking about censusmate calculator.xls from http://www.CensusMate.com.
There are some very useful excel sheets available there.
Gene Y.
Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox.
YES! That's it. Thanks.
The old brain has been busily atrophying since I went on
Gramma-duty.
Cheryl
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singhals
Re: Long, Phelps, Woodley Deed Question
Huntersglenn wrote:
Check the GRC on-line at the DAR Library too. It's amazing
what you can find in there.
Cheryl
singhals wrote:
Huntersglenn wrote:
I suppose you _could_ so long as you mark it plainly as tentative.
The thing I hate about those pre-1850 census is that they're counting
bodies, not family -- I have one pair that is utterly impossible ...
After 30 years, the best I can do is say, The 2nd census includes two
households -- which two, can't say, but it IS two households, most
likely with a common but unnamed parent to the two older men.
You've used that form that helps isolate the ages? I don't even
remember what it's called, let alone where I got my copy, but it's
essentially a spreadsheet on paper, one sheet per person, with a row
for each census and a column for each age-grouping.
Does DAR have anything useful to the cause?
Cheryl
I think I will list them as tentative in the notes.
This is a recent find, and I haven't yet had a chance to look at DAR
records. There were some Long families in that area around the time of
the Revolution, so it's possible that someone might have sent something
in at one time.
I haven't seen that form that you mention - it would definitely be
helpful. I did look at yet another census - the 1810 one, and sure
enough, there are two Benjamin Longs shown. I didn't look to see the
household details yet. I'm not sure that my brain can handle any more
puzzle pieces at the moment <grin>!
Thanks for your thoughts.
Cathy
Check the GRC on-line at the DAR Library too. It's amazing
what you can find in there.
Cheryl
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Huntersglenn
Re: Long, Phelps, Woodley Deed Question
Thank you sooo much for that link! I'll definitely check it out. And
coincidentally, the family used in the examples is a collateral line of
mine - the Tabitha Haynes shown (maiden name Turner) is a granddaughter
of one of my ancestors, James Turner. And Henry's first wife,
Barsheba/Barshaba Hampton, was another granddaughter of James Turner.
That's just so wild <grin>!
Thanks again,
Cathy
Gene Y. wrote:
coincidentally, the family used in the examples is a collateral line of
mine - the Tabitha Haynes shown (maiden name Turner) is a granddaughter
of one of my ancestors, James Turner. And Henry's first wife,
Barsheba/Barshaba Hampton, was another granddaughter of James Turner.
That's just so wild <grin>!
Thanks again,
Cathy
Gene Y. wrote:
Huntersglenn wrote:
I haven't seen that form that you mention - it would definitely be
helpful. I did look at yet another census - the 1810 one, and sure
enough, there are two Benjamin Longs shown. I didn't look to see the
household details yet. I'm not sure that my brain can handle any more
puzzle pieces at the moment <grin>!
Thanks for your thoughts.
Cathy
She is talking about censusmate calculator.xls from http://www.CensusMate.com.
There are some very useful excel sheets available there.
Gene Y.
Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox.