Irish Emigrants books

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Joy Weaver

Irish Emigrants books

Legg inn av Joy Weaver » 15 apr 2007 13:48:32

Does anyone have access to either of these books:

Baker, Dessie: Emigrants from Derry Port 1847-49
or
Mitchell, Brian: Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871?

I'm looking for information on the name Alex Brown, crossing in 1849.
Ancestry.com lists his name as on page 67 in the first book an page 52 in the
other. What ship? Who was with him? His age? Anything!

Any help in locating these books if no one can do a look-up directly would be
appreciated.

Joy Weaver

Hugh Watkins

Re: Irish Emigrants books

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 15 apr 2007 14:42:38

Joy Weaver wrote:

Does anyone have access to either of these books:

Baker, Dessie: Emigrants from Derry Port 1847-49
or
Mitchell, Brian: Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871?

I'm looking for information on the name Alex Brown, crossing in 1849.
Ancestry.com lists his name as on page 67 in the first book an page 52
in the other. What ship? Who was with him? His age? Anything!

Any help in locating these books if no one can do a look-up directly
would be appreciated.

I go to my town library and get stuff on inter library loan

sometimes from USA to UK:_

not a good url to get to
Refine Your Search Ancestry Database Card Catalog << over 24000 bases

http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=5969
rish Immigrants: New York Port Arrival Records, 1846-1851

View Record Name Age Gender Residence Native Country
Embarkation Ship Arrival Date

Brown, Alex. 15 Male Ireland Belfast Eliza Morrison 8 Jul 1848

Brown, Alex 17 Male Ireland Liverpool Silas Greenman 8 Aug 1851

Brown, Alex 26 Male Great Britain Glasgow Mary Morris 13 Oct
1848

Brown, Alex 33 Male Great Britain Glasgow Augusta 3 Jul 1848

Brown, Alex 6 Male Ireland Belfast Arethusa 6 Apr 1848

Brown, Alex 9 months Male Great Britain Glasgow Mary Morris
13 Oct 1848

Brown, Alex 9 Male Great Britain Waterford Downes 11 Apr 1849

the full entry does not give much more

Name: Brown, Alex
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Embarkation: Glasgow
Ship: Augusta
Occupation: weaver/tessitore
Passengers: 203
Compartment: Steerage
Native Country: Great Britain
Destination: USA
Arrival Date: 3 Jul 1848
Transit Type: Staying in the U.S.

freebie to April 30 2007
http://landing.ancestry.com/immigration ... _iid=31210




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Joy Weaver

Re: Irish Emigrants books

Legg inn av Joy Weaver » 15 apr 2007 18:53:47

Thanks, Hugh.

I think this Alex came from Derry to Quebec, not New York, but I can't be sure
he didn't land in NY first.

I can try inter-library loan, but first I'll have to identify which library has
the books. My local one isn't the greatest help.

Joy


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T.M. Sommers

Re: Irish Emigrants books

Legg inn av T.M. Sommers » 15 apr 2007 22:27:36

Joy Weaver wrote:
I can try inter-library loan, but first I'll have to identify which
library has the books. My local one isn't the greatest help.

Try WorldCat to locate copies:

http://www.worldcat.org/advancedsearch

Good luck though; most libraries don't circulate genealogy books.

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

Hugh Watkins

Re: Irish Emigrants books

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 16 apr 2007 12:20:42

Joy Weaver wrote:

Thanks, Hugh.

I think this Alex came from Derry to Quebec, not New York, but I can't
be sure he didn't land in NY first.

I can try inter-library loan, but first I'll have to identify which
library has the books. My local one isn't the greatest help.

There is a world wide union catalogue of library books on line
and I can't be bothered to look for the url but I blog it now and then

Hugh W

--

a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Hugh Watkins

Re: Irish Emigrants books

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 16 apr 2007 12:23:00

T.M. Sommers wrote:

Joy Weaver wrote:


I can try inter-library loan, but first I'll have to identify which
library has the books. My local one isn't the greatest help.


Try WorldCat to locate copies:

http://www.worldcat.org/advancedsearch

Good luck though; most libraries don't circulate genealogy books.

any decent libaray will give its customers a service
academic libraries are best

you may have to read a rare book in your local reference library
or on fiche in there (cheaper to post)

Hugh W

--

a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

T.M. Sommers

Re: Irish Emigrants books

Legg inn av T.M. Sommers » 16 apr 2007 13:40:26

Hugh Watkins wrote:
T.M. Sommers wrote:
Joy Weaver wrote:

I can try inter-library loan, but first I'll have to identify which
library has the books. My local one isn't the greatest help.

Try WorldCat to locate copies:

http://www.worldcat.org/advancedsearch

Good luck though; most libraries don't circulate genealogy books.

any decent libaray will give its customers a service
academic libraries are best

If the libraries that own the copies won't send them out, it
doesn't matter how good the service at your library is.

you may have to read a rare book in your local reference library
or on fiche in there (cheaper to post)

Assuming the books in question exist on fiche, which, due to
copyright, they probably don't.

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

Hugh Watkins

Re: Irish Emigrants books

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 16 apr 2007 22:38:36

T.M. Sommers wrote:

Hugh Watkins wrote:

T.M. Sommers wrote:

Joy Weaver wrote:

I can try inter-library loan, but first I'll have to identify which
library has the books. My local one isn't the greatest help.


Try WorldCat to locate copies:

http://www.worldcat.org/advancedsearch

Good luck though; most libraries don't circulate genealogy books.


any decent libaray will give its customers a service
academic libraries are best


If the libraries that own the copies won't send them out, it doesn't
matter how good the service at your library is.

you may have to read a rare book in your local reference library
or on fiche in there (cheaper to post)


Assuming the books in question exist on fiche, which, due to copyright,
they probably don't.


the great librarie are putting their books on google
books are to be used not hidden

what books have you been refused?

Hugh W



--

a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

T.M. Sommers

Re: Irish Emigrants books

Legg inn av T.M. Sommers » 17 apr 2007 06:20:26

Hugh Watkins wrote:
T.M. Sommers wrote:
Hugh Watkins wrote:
T.M. Sommers wrote:
Joy Weaver wrote:

I can try inter-library loan, but first I'll have to identify which
library has the books. My local one isn't the greatest help.

Try WorldCat to locate copies:

http://www.worldcat.org/advancedsearch

Good luck though; most libraries don't circulate genealogy books.

any decent libaray will give its customers a service
academic libraries are best

If the libraries that own the copies won't send them out, it doesn't
matter how good the service at your library is.

you may have to read a rare book in your local reference library
or on fiche in there (cheaper to post)

Assuming the books in question exist on fiche, which, due to
copyright, they probably don't.

the great librarie are putting their books on google
books are to be used not hidden

Tell that to the copyright owners.

what books have you been refused?

Nowadays I check WorldCat, and if I don't find a circulating copy
(and I never have for a genealogy book I wanted) I don't bother
asking.

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

Hugh Watkins

Re: Irish Emigrants books

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 17 apr 2007 07:56:50

T.M. Sommers wrote:
Hugh Watkins wrote:

T.M. Sommers wrote:

Hugh Watkins wrote:

T.M. Sommers wrote:

Joy Weaver wrote:

I can try inter-library loan, but first I'll have to identify
which library has the books. My local one isn't the greatest help.


Try WorldCat to locate copies:

http://www.worldcat.org/advancedsearch

Good luck though; most libraries don't circulate genealogy books.


any decent libaray will give its customers a service
academic libraries are best


If the libraries that own the copies won't send them out, it doesn't
matter how good the service at your library is.

you may have to read a rare book in your local reference library
or on fiche in there (cheaper to post)


Assuming the books in question exist on fiche, which, due to
copyright, they probably don't.


the great librarie are putting their books on google
books are to be used not hidden


Tell that to the copyright owners.

what books have you been refused?


Nowadays I check WorldCat, and if I don't find a circulating copy (and I
never have for a genealogy book I wanted) I don't bother asking.

obviously if only a single copy of a privately published book is in LOC

or BL you have to go to the book just like mss

Hugh W



--

a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

T.M. Sommers

Re: Irish Emigrants books

Legg inn av T.M. Sommers » 17 apr 2007 20:51:45

Hugh Watkins wrote:
T.M. Sommers wrote:
Hugh Watkins wrote:
T.M. Sommers wrote:

If the libraries that own the copies won't send them out, it doesn't
matter how good the service at your library is.

you may have to read a rare book in your local reference library
or on fiche in there (cheaper to post)

Assuming the books in question exist on fiche, which, due to
copyright, they probably don't.

the great librarie are putting their books on google
books are to be used not hidden

Tell that to the copyright owners.

what books have you been refused?

Nowadays I check WorldCat, and if I don't find a circulating copy (and
I never have for a genealogy book I wanted) I don't bother asking.

obviously if only a single copy of a privately published book is in LOC
or BL you have to go to the book just like mss

I didn't say anything about single copies or privately published
books. What is it about the concept of non-circulating books
that you don't understand?

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

Hugh Watkins

Re: Irish Emigrants books

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 18 apr 2007 05:16:27

T.M. Sommers wrote:

Hugh Watkins wrote:

T.M. Sommers wrote:

Hugh Watkins wrote:

T.M. Sommers wrote:

If the libraries that own the copies won't send them out, it
doesn't matter how good the service at your library is.

you may have to read a rare book in your local reference library
or on fiche in there (cheaper to post)


Assuming the books in question exist on fiche, which, due to
copyright, they probably don't.


the great librarie are putting their books on google
books are to be used not hidden


Tell that to the copyright owners.

what books have you been refused?


Nowadays I check WorldCat, and if I don't find a circulating copy
(and I never have for a genealogy book I wanted) I don't bother asking.

obviously if only a single copy of a privately published book is in
LOC or BL you have to go to the book just like mss


I didn't say anything about single copies or privately published books.
What is it about the concept of non-circulating books that you don't
understand?

age 71 and in favour of freedom of information
never heard of the concept
in UK we call them reference copies kept in the reference library of a
town library

at last you know of WorldCat the mother of all union catalogues

After my local and college library use, I started with the old hand
pasted catalogue of the British library which took days to search

and I am going to spend the the next three months in the libraries and
archives of Copenhagen

If you can read danish it is a bibliophiles paradise
with many specialist libraries you may use

"non-circulating books" indeed - why not call them reference copies
saves space - in fact you can often inter-loan them to read in your
local reference library

plain english is best

"Circulating libraries became an important cultural institution in
Britain in the 1780s, doing much to enable the rising middle class to
have access to a broad range of reading material, especially fiction.


snip
whereas 40% of new novels were bought by libraries in the mid-eighteenth
century, they were taking about 90% of each edition at the end of the
century. Fiction production rose from an average of 6 titles per annum
in the 1720s (when Defoe was writing his novels"

I remember the last of the local obes in the 1950ies

Carnegie donated many Free Libraries to England

"The London Library is an independent subscription library, based in
Piccadilly in the centre of London." must be one of the last of the
original circulating libraries - founded by Thomas Carlyle in 1841

http://www.londonlibrary.co.uk/


Hugh W

--
a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

T.M. Sommers

Re: Irish Emigrants books

Legg inn av T.M. Sommers » 24 apr 2007 07:23:08

Hugh Watkins wrote:
T.M. Sommers wrote:
Hugh Watkins wrote:

I didn't say anything about single copies or privately published
books. What is it about the concept of non-circulating books that you
don't understand?

age 71 and in favour of freedom of information

Goody. That'll really impress the judge when you are sued for
copyright infringement.

never heard of the concept
in UK we call them reference copies

You contradict yourself.

kept in the reference library of a
town library

In the US, every library has non-circulating or reference books
(both terms are used). They do not circulate at all, even under ILL.

"non-circulating books" indeed - why not call them reference copies
saves space -

Both terms are in use, and the former is more descriptive. Since
the concept seemed unknown to you, using the more descriptive
term seemed appropriate.

in fact you can often inter-loan them to read in your
local reference library

Not around here you can't. Nor are there special "reference
libraries", in general.

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

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