Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

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Michael Horowitz

Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Michael Horowitz » 20 jan 2007 17:00:01

I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census is the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'? Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike

Michael Kenefick

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Michael Kenefick » 20 jan 2007 21:20:56

The 1930 US Census is on Ancester.com and partially on heritagequest.com.

Mike in Ohio

Michael Horowitz wrote:
I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census is the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'? Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike

the_verminator@comcast.ne

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av the_verminator@comcast.ne » 20 jan 2007 22:22:38

Michael Horowitz wrote:
I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census is the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'? Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike

To the best of my knowledge no one can access the enumerations of
individuals before the 72 years.

Compilations of various types of information may be released earlier (
number of households with baths, single vs. married, ethnic
percentages, etc.)

Bruce Remick

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Bruce Remick » 20 jan 2007 22:52:37

<the_verminator@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Michael Horowitz wrote:
I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census is the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'? Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike

To the best of my knowledge no one can access the enumerations of
individuals before the 72 years.

Compilations of various types of information may be released earlier (
number of households with baths, single vs. married, ethnic
percentages, etc.)


Too bad. It would be nice to think that a couple years prior to its
release, the Ancestry, etc. types could have access to the 1940 Census in
order to have it all ready for online access in 2012.

Bruce

Henry Brownlee

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Henry Brownlee » 20 jan 2007 23:00:33

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Michael Horowitz wrote:
I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census is the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'? Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike

To the best of my knowledge no one can access the enumerations of
individuals before the 72 years.

Compilations of various types of information may be released
earlier (
number of households with baths, single vs. married, ethnic
percentages, etc.)


Too bad. It would be nice to think that a couple years prior to its
release, the Ancestry, etc. types could have access to the 1940
Census in
order to have it all ready for online access in 2012.

Bruce


Don't think that private enterprise should have any priority over the
general public. But what I think would be great is if NARA would be
digitizing the 1940, 1950, 1960, etc censuses (censii?) now so that
they could be putting it online themselves after the appropriate
72-year waiting period.

--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
And who just missed being in the 1930 Census
But waiting with baited breath for 2012

Bruce Remick

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Bruce Remick » 21 jan 2007 00:28:33

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Michael Horowitz wrote:
I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census is the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'? Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike

To the best of my knowledge no one can access the enumerations of
individuals before the 72 years.

Compilations of various types of information may be released
earlier (
number of households with baths, single vs. married, ethnic
percentages, etc.)


Too bad. It would be nice to think that a couple years prior to its
release, the Ancestry, etc. types could have access to the 1940
Census in
order to have it all ready for online access in 2012.

Bruce


Don't think that private enterprise should have any priority over the
general public. But what I think would be great is if NARA would be
digitizing the 1940, 1950, 1960, etc censuses (censii?) now so that
they could be putting it online themselves after the appropriate
72-year waiting period.

--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
And who just missed being in the 1930 Census
But waiting with baited breath for 2012


I wasn't thinking only private enterprises, per se. It's just that they're
the only ones presently making all the census available. I wouldn't count
on NARA's 2010 budget allowing them to digitize the 1940 census for all to
use, but who knows. Meanwhile, I'll still be waiting for Ancestry to add
1940 to its online census holdings, if I can live that long. My ultimate
hope is to live long enough to see my own name in the 1950 census.

Bruce

Henry Brownlee

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Henry Brownlee » 21 jan 2007 00:45:27

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Michael Horowitz wrote:
I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census is
the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'?
Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike

To the best of my knowledge no one can access the enumerations
of
individuals before the 72 years.

Compilations of various types of information may be released
earlier (
number of households with baths, single vs. married, ethnic
percentages, etc.)


Too bad. It would be nice to think that a couple years prior to
its
release, the Ancestry, etc. types could have access to the 1940
Census in
order to have it all ready for online access in 2012.

Bruce


Don't think that private enterprise should have any priority over
the
general public. But what I think would be great is if NARA would
be
digitizing the 1940, 1950, 1960, etc censuses (censii?) now so
that
they could be putting it online themselves after the appropriate
72-year waiting period.

--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
And who just missed being in the 1930 Census
But waiting with baited breath for 2012


I wasn't thinking only private enterprises, per se. It's just that
they're
the only ones presently making all the census available. I wouldn't
count
on NARA's 2010 budget allowing them to digitize the 1940 census for
all to
use, but who knows. Meanwhile, I'll still be waiting for Ancestry
to add
1940 to its online census holdings, if I can live that long. My
ultimate
hope is to live long enough to see my own name in the 1950 census.

Bruce

Ah! You're going to have to wait ten years longer than I am. But keep
your "Great Expectations" - I'm going to see a lot of my cronies on
the 1940!

I've only waited 44 years for the New Orleans Saints to get to the
Super Bowl, so five more years for the 1940 census is manageable.

BTW, I was not knocking private enterprise - I'm all for it!
--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
Geaux Saints!

Gjest

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 jan 2007 00:56:15

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:20:56 -0500, Michael Kenefick
<kenefick@copper.net> wrote:

The 1930 US Census is on Ancester.com and partially on heritagequest.com.

HeritageQuest has the entire 1930 census -- it just isn't indexed.

Dave Hinz

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 21 jan 2007 01:09:43

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:56:15 -0600, BlueBrooke <BlueBrooke> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:20:56 -0500, Michael Kenefick
kenefick@copper.net> wrote:

The 1930 US Census is on Ancester.com and partially on heritagequest.com.

HeritageQuest has the entire 1930 census -- it just isn't indexed.

I think he's asking how or if anyone can get access to more recent
censuses. Censii. Censususses. Whatever.

MikeS

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av MikeS » 21 jan 2007 01:48:42

"Michael Horowitz" <mhorowit@cox.net> wrote in message
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I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census is the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'? Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike

Mike, I think you can find your answer at this site under the caption
"Access to Closed Records" on pages 1 and 2 of this document -
http://www.census.gov/prod/2000pubs/cff-2.pdf

For those holding their breath for the 1940 census, please realize the
government can always change their mind. Although I too look forward to
release of the 1940 census records there may be a movement afoot to change
the 72 year rule because of the aging of America and the emphisis on
identity theft.

Mike
>

Hugh Watkins

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 21 jan 2007 02:46:33

MikeS wrote:

"Michael Horowitz" <mhorowit@cox.net> wrote in message
news:bue4r2lqfko9kv652ej3u4gvo24if9qhim@4ax.com...

I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census is the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'? Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike


Mike, I think you can find your answer at this site under the caption
"Access to Closed Records" on pages 1 and 2 of this document -
http://www.census.gov/prod/2000pubs/cff-2.pdf

For those holding their breath for the 1940 census, please realize the
government can always change their mind. Although I too look forward to
release of the 1940 census records there may be a movement afoot to change
the 72 year rule because of the aging of America and the emphisis on
identity theft.

limited access is already available
see http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html

Records of 1940 and later are currently restricted to the persons in the
record or their heirs. Write to:

Bureau of the Census
Personal Census Service Branch
P.O. Box 1545
Jeffersonville, IN 47130
(812) 288-3300

Requires a death certificate, or a signature if living. Fee is $65 per
person per year searched.

==
Federal census records since 1930 remain in the custody of the U.S.
Bureau of the Census. Information from these censuses can be provided
only to the person to whom it pertains or to an authorized
representative. For more information, write: U.S. Bureau of the Census,
Personal Census Service Branch, Pittsburgh, KS 66762.

http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/genealogy/fedcen.htm from 2003


nother possible source of age verification is a Census Report. Your name is
somewhere in the census records. Since 1790, the U.S. Census has
recorded identifying
data which, in later years, has provided legal proof of age. While the
Bureau of the
Census does not issue regular birth certificates, a Census Report is
usually accepted in
lieu of one, provided your birth was not registered when you were born.
A copy of the
census record nearest to the year of your birth may be obtained by
following this
procedure.
1.
Write to the Personal Census Service Branch, Bureau of the Census, P.O. Box
1545, Jeffersonville, IN 47131, for an Age Search Application Form
(BC-600). It is
also possible to obtain this form from the post office in most locations.
2.
Complete the form carefully, indicating that you are requesting
information from the
first census taken after you were born. A census is taken every 10
years. For
example, if you were born in 1927, request a search of the 1930 and 1940
Census
Records.
3.
The completed form should be mailed to the Personal Census Service Branch
(address in No. 1 above), along with the required census fee.

http://www.rol.frs.state.fl.us/myfrs/fo ... /bvr-1.pdf

=======================

In UK we have a shiny new Freedom of Information law

which has been use to break our 100 year closure to 1912 census

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/1911census/


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2 ... gle+Search


Hugh W

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James A. Doemer

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 21 jan 2007 05:56:23

In News 51fpa7F1idn6hU3@mid.individual.net,, Dave Hinz at
DaveHinz@gmail.com, typed this:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:56:15 -0600, BlueBrooke <BlueBrooke> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:20:56 -0500, Michael Kenefick
kenefick@copper.net> wrote:

The 1930 US Census is on Ancester.com and partially on
heritagequest.com.

HeritageQuest has the entire 1930 census -- it just isn't indexed.

I think he's asking how or if anyone can get access to more recent
censuses. Censii. Censususses. Whatever.

More recent than 1930? You can't. The census information isn't released
until... I think it's 72 years after it's taken. So the 1940 Census won't
be available until 2012.

Ralph Bailey

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Ralph Bailey » 21 jan 2007 06:04:07

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Michael Horowitz wrote:
I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census is
the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'?
Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike

To the best of my knowledge no one can access the enumerations
of
individuals before the 72 years.

Compilations of various types of information may be released
earlier (
number of households with baths, single vs. married, ethnic
percentages, etc.)


Too bad. It would be nice to think that a couple years prior to
its
release, the Ancestry, etc. types could have access to the 1940
Census in
order to have it all ready for online access in 2012.

Bruce


Don't think that private enterprise should have any priority over
the
general public. But what I think would be great is if NARA would
be
digitizing the 1940, 1950, 1960, etc censuses (censii?) now so
that
they could be putting it online themselves after the appropriate
72-year waiting period.

--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
And who just missed being in the 1930 Census
But waiting with baited breath for 2012


I wasn't thinking only private enterprises, per se. It's just that
they're
the only ones presently making all the census available. I wouldn't
count
on NARA's 2010 budget allowing them to digitize the 1940 census for
all to
use, but who knows. Meanwhile, I'll still be waiting for Ancestry
to add
1940 to its online census holdings, if I can live that long. My
ultimate
hope is to live long enough to see my own name in the 1950 census.

Bruce

Ah! You're going to have to wait ten years longer than I am. But keep
your "Great Expectations" - I'm going to see a lot of my cronies on
the 1940!

I've only waited 44 years for the New Orleans Saints to get to the
Super Bowl, so five more years for the 1940 census is manageable.

BTW, I was not knocking private enterprise - I'm all for it!
--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
Geaux Saints!

Henry,

Your Saints genealogy is in error. The Saints started in 1967.

My wife says she is going and a ticket costs $3,250 excuding transportation
and hotel.

Would you like to go to the SuperBowl with my wife?

Ralph

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Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Henry Brownlee » 21 jan 2007 06:40:54

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Michael Horowitz wrote:
I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census
is
the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'?
Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike

To the best of my knowledge no one can access the
enumerations
of
individuals before the 72 years.

Compilations of various types of information may be released
earlier (
number of households with baths, single vs. married, ethnic
percentages, etc.)


Too bad. It would be nice to think that a couple years prior
to
its
release, the Ancestry, etc. types could have access to the 1940
Census in
order to have it all ready for online access in 2012.

Bruce


Don't think that private enterprise should have any priority
over
the
general public. But what I think would be great is if NARA
would
be
digitizing the 1940, 1950, 1960, etc censuses (censii?) now so
that
they could be putting it online themselves after the appropriate
72-year waiting period.

--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
And who just missed being in the 1930 Census
But waiting with baited breath for 2012


I wasn't thinking only private enterprises, per se. It's just
that
they're
the only ones presently making all the census available. I
wouldn't
count
on NARA's 2010 budget allowing them to digitize the 1940 census
for
all to
use, but who knows. Meanwhile, I'll still be waiting for Ancestry
to add
1940 to its online census holdings, if I can live that long. My
ultimate
hope is to live long enough to see my own name in the 1950 census.

Bruce

Ah! You're going to have to wait ten years longer than I am. But
keep
your "Great Expectations" - I'm going to see a lot of my cronies on
the 1940!

I've only waited 44 years for the New Orleans Saints to get to the
Super Bowl, so five more years for the 1940 census is manageable.

BTW, I was not knocking private enterprise - I'm all for it!
--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
Geaux Saints!

Henry,

Your Saints genealogy is in error. The Saints started in 1967.

My wife says she is going and a ticket costs $3,250 excuding
transportation
and hotel.

Would you like to go to the SuperBowl with my wife?

Ralph


OOPS! Meant to put 40 years (rounded off). Actually, they began in
1966, but started playing in 1967. I had season tickets the first ten
years, even after moving to Houma. But I gave them up because I was
offshore too much of the time when the Saints were playing and
couldn't even give them away some games!

As far as going to Miami to watch them in the Super Bowl, I just
checked my lottery numbers and only got $1 back, so I guess I'll have
to pass on this one! Unless, of course, you're buying! <G>

--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana

Ralph Bailey

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Ralph Bailey » 21 jan 2007 07:29:59

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Michael Horowitz wrote:
I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census
is
the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'?
Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike

To the best of my knowledge no one can access the
enumerations
of
individuals before the 72 years.

Compilations of various types of information may be released
earlier (
number of households with baths, single vs. married, ethnic
percentages, etc.)


Too bad. It would be nice to think that a couple years prior
to
its
release, the Ancestry, etc. types could have access to the 1940
Census in
order to have it all ready for online access in 2012.

Bruce


Don't think that private enterprise should have any priority
over
the
general public. But what I think would be great is if NARA
would
be
digitizing the 1940, 1950, 1960, etc censuses (censii?) now so
that
they could be putting it online themselves after the appropriate
72-year waiting period.

--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
And who just missed being in the 1930 Census
But waiting with baited breath for 2012


I wasn't thinking only private enterprises, per se. It's just
that
they're
the only ones presently making all the census available. I
wouldn't
count
on NARA's 2010 budget allowing them to digitize the 1940 census
for
all to
use, but who knows. Meanwhile, I'll still be waiting for Ancestry
to add
1940 to its online census holdings, if I can live that long. My
ultimate
hope is to live long enough to see my own name in the 1950 census.

Bruce

Ah! You're going to have to wait ten years longer than I am. But
keep
your "Great Expectations" - I'm going to see a lot of my cronies on
the 1940!

I've only waited 44 years for the New Orleans Saints to get to the
Super Bowl, so five more years for the 1940 census is manageable.

BTW, I was not knocking private enterprise - I'm all for it!
--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
Geaux Saints!

Henry,

Your Saints genealogy is in error. The Saints started in 1967.

My wife says she is going and a ticket costs $3,250 excuding
transportation
and hotel.

Would you like to go to the SuperBowl with my wife?

Ralph


OOPS! Meant to put 40 years (rounded off). Actually, they began in
1966, but started playing in 1967. I had season tickets the first ten
years, even after moving to Houma. But I gave them up because I was
offshore too much of the time when the Saints were playing and
couldn't even give them away some games!

As far as going to Miami to watch them in the Super Bowl, I just
checked my lottery numbers and only got $1 back, so I guess I'll have
to pass on this one! Unless, of course, you're buying! <G>

--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana

I've had season tickets from the beginning and my wife is a certifed Saints
nut. A former highschool/college cheerleader and raised in Algiers, she is
about to bust. Saints paraphenalia all over the house, and I am convinced
she is going whether I go or not and I do not want to go.

I keep telling her it will not be like a Saints home game in the Dome with a
wild, crazy, emotional crowd because most of the ticket holders will be
corporate tpes who aren't even from N. O. But, she wants to go, so both of
us know what is likely to happen.

Ralph Bailey
Mandeville, La.


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Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Michael Horowitz » 21 jan 2007 07:44:14

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:46:33 +0000, Hugh Watkins
<hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote:

MikeS wrote:

"Michael Horowitz" <mhorowit@cox.net> wrote in message
news:bue4r2lqfko9kv652ej3u4gvo24if9qhim@4ax.com...

I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census is the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'? Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike


Mike, I think you can find your answer at this site under the caption
"Access to Closed Records" on pages 1 and 2 of this document -
http://www.census.gov/prod/2000pubs/cff-2.pdf

For those holding their breath for the 1940 census, please realize the
government can always change their mind. Although I too look forward to
release of the 1940 census records there may be a movement afoot to change
the 72 year rule because of the aging of America and the emphisis on
identity theft.

limited access is already available
see http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html

Records of 1940 and later are currently restricted to the persons in the
record or their heirs. Write to:

Bureau of the Census
Personal Census Service Branch
P.O. Box 1545
Jeffersonville, IN 47130
(812) 288-3300

Requires a death certificate, or a signature if living. Fee is $65 per
person per year searched.

==
Federal census records since 1930 remain in the custody of the U.S.
Bureau of the Census. Information from these censuses can be provided
only to the person to whom it pertains or to an authorized
representative. For more information, write: U.S. Bureau of the Census,
Personal Census Service Branch, Pittsburgh, KS 66762.

http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/genealogy/fedcen.htm from 2003


nother possible source of age verification is a Census Report. Your name is
somewhere in the census records. Since 1790, the U.S. Census has
recorded identifying
data which, in later years, has provided legal proof of age. While the
Bureau of the
Census does not issue regular birth certificates, a Census Report is
usually accepted in
lieu of one, provided your birth was not registered when you were born.
A copy of the
census record nearest to the year of your birth may be obtained by
following this
procedure.
1.
Write to the Personal Census Service Branch, Bureau of the Census, P.O. Box
1545, Jeffersonville, IN 47131, for an Age Search Application Form
(BC-600). It is
also possible to obtain this form from the post office in most locations.
2.
Complete the form carefully, indicating that you are requesting
information from the
first census taken after you were born. A census is taken every 10
years. For
example, if you were born in 1927, request a search of the 1930 and 1940
Census
Records.
3.
The completed form should be mailed to the Personal Census Service Branch
(address in No. 1 above), along with the required census fee.

http://www.rol.frs.state.fl.us/myfrs/fo ... /bvr-1.pdf


Thank you gentlemen - that was exactly what I was looking for. - MIke

James A. Doemer

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 21 jan 2007 08:08:06

In News vr26r2dv3g5290aoekb200nudoj8j9s7n3@4ax.com,, Michael Horowitz at
mhorowit@cox.net, typed this:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:46:33 +0000, Hugh Watkins
hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote:

MikeS wrote:

"Michael Horowitz" <mhorowit@cox.net> wrote in message
news:bue4r2lqfko9kv652ej3u4gvo24if9qhim@4ax.com...

I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census is the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'? Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike


Mike, I think you can find your answer at this site under the
caption "Access to Closed Records" on pages 1 and 2 of this
document - http://www.census.gov/prod/2000pubs/cff-2.pdf

For those holding their breath for the 1940 census, please realize
the government can always change their mind. Although I too look
forward to release of the 1940 census records there may be a
movement afoot to change the 72 year rule because of the aging of
America and the emphisis on identity theft.

limited access is already available
see http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html

Records of 1940 and later are currently restricted to the persons in
the record or their heirs. Write to:

Bureau of the Census
Personal Census Service Branch
P.O. Box 1545
Jeffersonville, IN 47130
(812) 288-3300

Requires a death certificate, or a signature if living. Fee is $65
per person per year searched.

==
Federal census records since 1930 remain in the custody of the U.S.
Bureau of the Census. Information from these censuses can be provided
only to the person to whom it pertains or to an authorized
representative. For more information, write: U.S. Bureau of the
Census, Personal Census Service Branch, Pittsburgh, KS 66762.

http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/genealogy/fedcen.htm from 2003


nother possible source of age verification is a Census Report. Your
name is somewhere in the census records. Since 1790, the U.S. Census
has
recorded identifying
data which, in later years, has provided legal proof of age. While
the Bureau of the
Census does not issue regular birth certificates, a Census Report is
usually accepted in
lieu of one, provided your birth was not registered when you were
born.
A copy of the
census record nearest to the year of your birth may be obtained by
following this
procedure.
1.
Write to the Personal Census Service Branch, Bureau of the Census,
P.O. Box 1545, Jeffersonville, IN 47131, for an Age Search
Application Form (BC-600). It is
also possible to obtain this form from the post office in most
locations. 2.
Complete the form carefully, indicating that you are requesting
information from the
first census taken after you were born. A census is taken every 10
years. For
example, if you were born in 1927, request a search of the 1930 and
1940 Census
Records.
3.
The completed form should be mailed to the Personal Census Service
Branch (address in No. 1 above), along with the required census fee.

http://www.rol.frs.state.fl.us/myfrs/fo ... /bvr-1.pdf


Thank you gentlemen - that was exactly what I was looking for. - MIke


I didn't know that. I thought they were restricted. That's good to know,
but for the number of people I would like to research, at $65.00 a pop, I'll
just wait.

Gjest

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 jan 2007 12:28:19

On 21 Jan 2007 00:09:43 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:56:15 -0600, BlueBrooke <BlueBrooke> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:20:56 -0500, Michael Kenefick
kenefick@copper.net> wrote:

The 1930 US Census is on Ancester.com and partially on heritagequest.com.

HeritageQuest has the entire 1930 census -- it just isn't indexed.

I think he's asking how or if anyone can get access to more recent
censuses. Censii. Censususses. Whatever.

Yeah -- I know. I was responding to the statement in the post I
quoted.

It's often said here that Heritage Quest doesn't have some census
years available, but that isn't true. They have all of the census
years available -- but their indexes aren't complete. Makes it
difficult to find things using a dial-up connection, but they *are*
there. :-)

Michael Kenefick

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Michael Kenefick » 21 jan 2007 15:04:33

Actually, this is good news in a way. I did not know that what I
considered partial 1930 was just not indexed completely. I thought
maybe it was a work in progress.

I did know that 1850 was not indexed. My sister has many of these
referenced from the old days (before the internet look ups). Her
citations are correct. I can use them to look at the 1850 w/o the index.

Mike in Ohio

BlueBrooke wrote:
On 21 Jan 2007 00:09:43 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:56:15 -0600, BlueBrooke <BlueBrooke> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:20:56 -0500, Michael Kenefick
kenefick@copper.net> wrote:


The 1930 US Census is on Ancester.com and partially on heritagequest.com.

HeritageQuest has the entire 1930 census -- it just isn't indexed.

I think he's asking how or if anyone can get access to more recent
censuses. Censii. Censususses. Whatever.


Yeah -- I know. I was responding to the statement in the post I
quoted.

It's often said here that Heritage Quest doesn't have some census
years available, but that isn't true. They have all of the census
years available -- but their indexes aren't complete. Makes it
difficult to find things using a dial-up connection, but they *are*
there. :-)

Bruce Remick

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Bruce Remick » 21 jan 2007 15:36:05

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To: <alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?



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Michael Horowitz wrote:
I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census
is
the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'?
Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike

To the best of my knowledge no one can access the
enumerations
of
individuals before the 72 years.

Compilations of various types of information may be released
earlier (
number of households with baths, single vs. married, ethnic
percentages, etc.)


Too bad. It would be nice to think that a couple years prior
to
its
release, the Ancestry, etc. types could have access to the 1940
Census in
order to have it all ready for online access in 2012.

Bruce


Don't think that private enterprise should have any priority
over
the
general public. But what I think would be great is if NARA
would
be
digitizing the 1940, 1950, 1960, etc censuses (censii?) now so
that
they could be putting it online themselves after the appropriate
72-year waiting period.

--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
And who just missed being in the 1930 Census
But waiting with baited breath for 2012


I wasn't thinking only private enterprises, per se. It's just
that
they're
the only ones presently making all the census available. I
wouldn't
count
on NARA's 2010 budget allowing them to digitize the 1940 census
for
all to
use, but who knows. Meanwhile, I'll still be waiting for Ancestry
to add
1940 to its online census holdings, if I can live that long. My
ultimate
hope is to live long enough to see my own name in the 1950 census.

Bruce

Ah! You're going to have to wait ten years longer than I am. But
keep
your "Great Expectations" - I'm going to see a lot of my cronies on
the 1940!

I've only waited 44 years for the New Orleans Saints to get to the
Super Bowl, so five more years for the 1940 census is manageable.

BTW, I was not knocking private enterprise - I'm all for it!
--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
Geaux Saints!

Henry,

Your Saints genealogy is in error. The Saints started in 1967.

My wife says she is going and a ticket costs $3,250 excuding
transportation
and hotel.

Would you like to go to the SuperBowl with my wife?

Ralph


OOPS! Meant to put 40 years (rounded off). Actually, they began in
1966, but started playing in 1967. I had season tickets the first ten
years, even after moving to Houma. But I gave them up because I was
offshore too much of the time when the Saints were playing and
couldn't even give them away some games!

As far as going to Miami to watch them in the Super Bowl, I just
checked my lottery numbers and only got $1 back, so I guess I'll have
to pass on this one! Unless, of course, you're buying! <G

--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana

I've had season tickets from the beginning and my wife is a certifed
Saints
nut. A former highschool/college cheerleader and raised in Algiers, she
is
about to bust. Saints paraphenalia all over the house, and I am convinced
she is going whether I go or not and I do not want to go.

I keep telling her it will not be like a Saints home game in the Dome with
a
wild, crazy, emotional crowd because most of the ticket holders will be
corporate tpes who aren't even from N. O. But, she wants to go, so both
of
us know what is likely to happen.

Ralph Bailey
Mandeville, La.

Er......... shouldn't all these SuperBowl presumptions be held off at least
until after this afternoon? I'm neither for nor against the Saints in the
SuperBowl, as long as they're playing the Patriots. ; >)

Bruce

Christopher Jahn

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 21 jan 2007 15:38:32

"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote in
news:pTKsh.183$rZ2.65@newsfe14.lga:

Er......... shouldn't all these SuperBowl presumptions be held
off at least until after this afternoon? I'm neither for nor
against the Saints in the SuperBowl, as long as they're
playing the Patriots. ; >)


Don't you mean "I'm neither for or against the Saints, as long as
they BEAT the Patriots?"
:-)

--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html
http://camera-ephemera.blogspot.com/
How horrible and true and strange, and there is no possible
change.

Bruce Remick

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Bruce Remick » 21 jan 2007 17:19:47

"Christopher Jahn" <xjahn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98BF621DFA072xjahn@216.196.97.136...
"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote in
news:pTKsh.183$rZ2.65@newsfe14.lga:

Er......... shouldn't all these SuperBowl presumptions be held
off at least until after this afternoon? I'm neither for nor
against the Saints in the SuperBowl, as long as they're
playing the Patriots. ; >)


Don't you mean "I'm neither for or against the Saints, as long as
they BEAT the Patriots?"
:-)

No. With my New England roots going back 10 generations, I have my
preference already ingrained.

Bruce

Henry Brownlee

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Henry Brownlee » 21 jan 2007 19:22:10

"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Christopher Jahn" <xjahn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote in
news:pTKsh.183$rZ2.65@newsfe14.lga:

Er......... shouldn't all these SuperBowl presumptions be held
off at least until after this afternoon? I'm neither for nor
against the Saints in the SuperBowl, as long as they're
playing the Patriots. ; >)


Don't you mean "I'm neither for or against the Saints, as long as
they BEAT the Patriots?"
:-)

No. With my New England roots going back 10 generations, I have my
preference already ingrained.

Bruce

Very commendable, keeping the home team in your blood. I know the
feeling!
But I must point out that the Pats must get out of Peyton's Place in
Hoosierville
in fine fettle to get to Miami - just like my Saints at the Windy City
(and rainy or snowy?) Good Luck!

--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana
GEUAX SAINTS

Bruce Remick

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Bruce Remick » 22 jan 2007 01:55:00

"Henry Brownlee" <hfbrownl@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Christopher Jahn" <xjahn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98BF621DFA072xjahn@216.196.97.136...
"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote in
news:pTKsh.183$rZ2.65@newsfe14.lga:

Er......... shouldn't all these SuperBowl presumptions be held
off at least until after this afternoon? I'm neither for nor
against the Saints in the SuperBowl, as long as they're
playing the Patriots. ; >)


Don't you mean "I'm neither for or against the Saints, as long as
they BEAT the Patriots?"
:-)

No. With my New England roots going back 10 generations, I have my
preference already ingrained.

Bruce

Very commendable, keeping the home team in your blood. I know the
feeling!
But I must point out that the Pats must get out of Peyton's Place in
Hoosierville
in fine fettle to get to Miami - just like my Saints at the Windy City
(and rainy or snowy?) Good Luck!


Well, I have to say I'm sorry for the Saints and all their pumped up fans,
what with the way the gane turned out. It sure was a great ride at an
appropriate time though, eh? Most of the other teams home are watching on
TV wondering about next year. The Patriots are looking good in their game
at halftime, but things happen. Regardless, once all the games are over,
it's on to something else. It wasn't me who won or lost so any excitement
or disappointment as a fan is quickly forgotten here. I guess I'm too old
to worry about wearing bragging rights on my sleeve anymore.

Bruce

Henry Brownlee

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Henry Brownlee » 22 jan 2007 02:31:22

"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Christopher Jahn" <xjahn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote in
news:pTKsh.183$rZ2.65@newsfe14.lga:

Er......... shouldn't all these SuperBowl presumptions be held
off at least until after this afternoon? I'm neither for nor
against the Saints in the SuperBowl, as long as they're
playing the Patriots. ; >)


Don't you mean "I'm neither for or against the Saints, as long
as
they BEAT the Patriots?"
:-)

No. With my New England roots going back 10 generations, I have
my
preference already ingrained.

Bruce

Very commendable, keeping the home team in your blood. I know the
feeling!
But I must point out that the Pats must get out of Peyton's Place
in
Hoosierville
in fine fettle to get to Miami - just like my Saints at the Windy
City
(and rainy or snowy?) Good Luck!


Well, I have to say I'm sorry for the Saints and all their pumped up
fans,
what with the way the gane turned out. It sure was a great ride at
an
appropriate time though, eh? Most of the other teams home are
watching on
TV wondering about next year. The Patriots are looking good in
their game
at halftime, but things happen. Regardless, once all the games are
over,
it's on to something else. It wasn't me who won or lost so any
excitement
or disappointment as a fan is quickly forgotten here. I guess I'm
too old
to worry about wearing bragging rights on my sleeve anymore.

Bruce

Well, I must say I'm disappointed in the outcome. Some of the
officials' calls were questionable, but the Saints simply lost the
game on their own.

As we as used to saying down here, "Wait 'til next year!"

Good luck to your Pats, but I'm pulling for Archie's boy Peyton! ;-)

And the price of the SB tickets is now a moot point!

--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana

Ralph Bailey

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Ralph Bailey » 22 jan 2007 04:40:48

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Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:36 AM
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Michael Horowitz wrote:
I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census
is
the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'?
Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike

To the best of my knowledge no one can access the
enumerations
of
individuals before the 72 years.

Compilations of various types of information may be released
earlier (
number of households with baths, single vs. married, ethnic
percentages, etc.)


Too bad. It would be nice to think that a couple years prior
to
its
release, the Ancestry, etc. types could have access to the 1940
Census in
order to have it all ready for online access in 2012.

Bruce


Don't think that private enterprise should have any priority
over
the
general public. But what I think would be great is if NARA
would
be
digitizing the 1940, 1950, 1960, etc censuses (censii?) now so
that
they could be putting it online themselves after the appropriate
72-year waiting period.

--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
And who just missed being in the 1930 Census
But waiting with baited breath for 2012


I wasn't thinking only private enterprises, per se. It's just
that
they're
the only ones presently making all the census available. I
wouldn't
count
on NARA's 2010 budget allowing them to digitize the 1940 census
for
all to
use, but who knows. Meanwhile, I'll still be waiting for Ancestry
to add
1940 to its online census holdings, if I can live that long. My
ultimate
hope is to live long enough to see my own name in the 1950 census.

Bruce

Ah! You're going to have to wait ten years longer than I am. But
keep
your "Great Expectations" - I'm going to see a lot of my cronies on
the 1940!

I've only waited 44 years for the New Orleans Saints to get to the
Super Bowl, so five more years for the 1940 census is manageable.

BTW, I was not knocking private enterprise - I'm all for it!
--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
Geaux Saints!

Henry,

Your Saints genealogy is in error. The Saints started in 1967.

My wife says she is going and a ticket costs $3,250 excuding
transportation
and hotel.

Would you like to go to the SuperBowl with my wife?

Ralph


OOPS! Meant to put 40 years (rounded off). Actually, they began in
1966, but started playing in 1967. I had season tickets the first ten
years, even after moving to Houma. But I gave them up because I was
offshore too much of the time when the Saints were playing and
couldn't even give them away some games!

As far as going to Miami to watch them in the Super Bowl, I just
checked my lottery numbers and only got $1 back, so I guess I'll have
to pass on this one! Unless, of course, you're buying! <G

--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana

I've had season tickets from the beginning and my wife is a certifed
Saints
nut. A former highschool/college cheerleader and raised in Algiers, she
is
about to bust. Saints paraphenalia all over the house, and I am convinced
she is going whether I go or not and I do not want to go.

I keep telling her it will not be like a Saints home game in the Dome with
a
wild, crazy, emotional crowd because most of the ticket holders will be
corporate tpes who aren't even from N. O. But, she wants to go, so both
of
us know what is likely to happen.

Ralph Bailey
Mandeville, La.

Er......... shouldn't all these SuperBowl presumptions be held off at least
until after this afternoon? I'm neither for nor against the Saints in the
SuperBowl, as long as they're playing the Patriots. ; >)

Bruce

Well, Bruce, what can I say?

Watching the Saints/Chicago game was like watching your mother-in-law drive
off a cliff in your new Cadillac. Mixed emotions, but I was pulling for the
Saints and would have worried about going to Miami later.

My wife is still pleased because the Colts won, because Peyton Manning is
from New Orleans. I was pulling for the Patriots.

Such is life.

Ralph




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Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av Ralph Bailey » 22 jan 2007 05:14:01

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"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote in
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Er......... shouldn't all these SuperBowl presumptions be held
off at least until after this afternoon? I'm neither for nor
against the Saints in the SuperBowl, as long as they're
playing the Patriots. ; >)


Don't you mean "I'm neither for or against the Saints, as long as
they BEAT the Patriots?"
:-)

No. With my New England roots going back 10 generations, I have my
preference already ingrained.

Bruce

Very commendable, keeping the home team in your blood. I know the
feeling!
But I must point out that the Pats must get out of Peyton's Place in
Hoosierville
in fine fettle to get to Miami - just like my Saints at the Windy City
(and rainy or snowy?) Good Luck!


Well, I have to say I'm sorry for the Saints and all their pumped up fans,
what with the way the gane turned out. It sure was a great ride at an
appropriate time though, eh? Most of the other teams home are watching on
TV wondering about next year. The Patriots are looking good in their game
at halftime, but things happen. Regardless, once all the games are over,
it's on to something else. It wasn't me who won or lost so any excitement
or disappointment as a fan is quickly forgotten here. I guess I'm too old
to worry about wearing bragging rights on my sleeve anymore.

Bruce

Bruce,

It's not just about bragging rights around N. O.

We almost lost the Saints to San Antonio and only the power of Paul
Tagliabue kept them here.

It is mixed up with the desolation of Katrina and many other things,
including the re-birth of N. O.

Too bad about the Patriots. I was pulling for them.

Ralph Bailey









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Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

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Michael Horowitz wrote:
I realize that because of the 72 year rule, the '30 census
is
the
latest open to the public.

Can private investigators gain access to recent census'?
Lawyers?
Under what circumstances? - Mike

To the best of my knowledge no one can access the
enumerations
of
individuals before the 72 years.

Compilations of various types of information may be released
earlier (
number of households with baths, single vs. married, ethnic
percentages, etc.)


Too bad. It would be nice to think that a couple years prior
to
its
release, the Ancestry, etc. types could have access to the 1940
Census in
order to have it all ready for online access in 2012.

Bruce


Don't think that private enterprise should have any priority
over
the
general public. But what I think would be great is if NARA
would
be
digitizing the 1940, 1950, 1960, etc censuses (censii?) now so
that
they could be putting it online themselves after the appropriate
72-year waiting period.

--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
And who just missed being in the 1930 Census
But waiting with baited breath for 2012


I wasn't thinking only private enterprises, per se. It's just
that
they're
the only ones presently making all the census available. I
wouldn't
count
on NARA's 2010 budget allowing them to digitize the 1940 census
for
all to
use, but who knows. Meanwhile, I'll still be waiting for Ancestry
to add
1940 to its online census holdings, if I can live that long. My
ultimate
hope is to live long enough to see my own name in the 1950 census.

Bruce

Ah! You're going to have to wait ten years longer than I am. But
keep
your "Great Expectations" - I'm going to see a lot of my cronies on
the 1940!

I've only waited 44 years for the New Orleans Saints to get to the
Super Bowl, so five more years for the 1940 census is manageable.

BTW, I was not knocking private enterprise - I'm all for it!
--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
Geaux Saints!

Henry,

Your Saints genealogy is in error. The Saints started in 1967.

My wife says she is going and a ticket costs $3,250 excuding
transportation
and hotel.

Would you like to go to the SuperBowl with my wife?

Ralph


OOPS! Meant to put 40 years (rounded off). Actually, they began in
1966, but started playing in 1967. I had season tickets the first ten
years, even after moving to Houma. But I gave them up because I was
offshore too much of the time when the Saints were playing and
couldn't even give them away some games!

As far as going to Miami to watch them in the Super Bowl, I just
checked my lottery numbers and only got $1 back, so I guess I'll have
to pass on this one! Unless, of course, you're buying! <G

--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana

I've had season tickets from the beginning and my wife is a certifed
Saints
nut. A former highschool/college cheerleader and raised in Algiers, she
is
about to bust. Saints paraphenalia all over the house, and I am
convinced
she is going whether I go or not and I do not want to go.

I keep telling her it will not be like a Saints home game in the Dome
with
a
wild, crazy, emotional crowd because most of the ticket holders will be
corporate tpes who aren't even from N. O. But, she wants to go, so both
of
us know what is likely to happen.

Ralph Bailey
Mandeville, La.

Er......... shouldn't all these SuperBowl presumptions be held off at
least
until after this afternoon? I'm neither for nor against the Saints in the
SuperBowl, as long as they're playing the Patriots. ; >)

Bruce

Well, Bruce, what can I say?

Watching the Saints/Chicago game was like watching your mother-in-law
drive
off a cliff in your new Cadillac. Mixed emotions, but I was pulling for
the
Saints and would have worried about going to Miami later.

My wife is still pleased because the Colts won, because Peyton Manning is
from New Orleans. I was pulling for the Patriots.

Such is life.

Ralph

Well, for every sad fan there is a happy one. I was rooting for the
Patriots, but then they've had their share of success already so I shouldn't
be too greedy. So now I don't really care who wins the SuperBowl. Good day
to go shopping. And ah, yes. Baseball players report to spring training
next month.

Bruce

T.M. Sommers

Re: Who has access to recent Federal Census'?

Legg inn av T.M. Sommers » 22 jan 2007 05:48:32

Ralph Bailey wrote:
My wife is still pleased because the Colts won, because Peyton Manning is
from New Orleans. I was pulling for the Patriots.

To bring this thread vaguely back on-topic, I am reading a
biography of Gen'l Longstreet that mentions that he had a staff
officer named Peyton T. Manning. Since the name is not exactly
common, I assume that there is some connection, but does anyone
know for sure?

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

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