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Meghan Breen

Surname Help

Legg inn av Meghan Breen » 08 jan 2007 20:51:00

I have been trying to research my great great grandfather that came from
Kiev. His name was Nathan Breen and he probably came over before 1900. He
died in 1945 of December in Chicago and I'm in the process of getting an
obit on him, but I'm not expecting much to be metioned in the obit. My dad
said what he was ever told the name was never changed. According to my dad,
he probably did not know his birthdate. If any body can help me research
this it would be great because I don't know where to start on this.

--
Meghan Breen
http://www.rtdos.com

Joe Pessarra

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Joe Pessarra » 08 jan 2007 21:25:26

"Meghan Breen" <junkdepot2k@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I have been trying to research my great great grandfather that came from
Kiev. His name was Nathan Breen and he probably came over before 1900. He
died in 1945 of December in Chicago and I'm in the process of getting an
obit on him, but I'm not expecting much to be metioned in the obit. My dad
said what he was ever told the name was never changed. According to my
dad,
he probably did not know his birthdate. If any body can help me research
this it would be great because I don't know where to start on this.

--
Meghan Breen
http://www.rtdos.com



Could this be your Nathan Breen.

Name: Nathan Breen
Year: 1925 (Also listed as 1929)
Place: Illinois
Source Publication Code: 3703.2
Primary Immigrant: Breen, Nathan
Annotation: Date and place of filing petition for declaration of intention
or naturalization. Year of birth, type of naturalization document, year of
document, and book and page number of original record are also provided.
Source Bibliography: KANE COUNTY, ILLINOIS NATURALIZATION INDEX 1906-1955.
Geneva, IL: Kane County Genealogical Society, 1991. 187p.
Page: 21

Joe Pessarra In Texas

Meghan Breen

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Meghan Breen » 08 jan 2007 22:01:40

"Joe Pessarra" <joepessarra@suddenlink.net> wrote in message
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"Meghan Breen" <junkdepot2k@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I have been trying to research my great great grandfather that came from
Kiev. His name was Nathan Breen and he probably came over before 1900. He
died in 1945 of December in Chicago and I'm in the process of getting an
obit on him, but I'm not expecting much to be metioned in the obit. My
dad
said what he was ever told the name was never changed. According to my
dad,
he probably did not know his birthdate. If any body can help me research
this it would be great because I don't know where to start on this.

--
Meghan Breen
http://www.rtdos.com



Could this be your Nathan Breen.

Name: Nathan Breen
Year: 1925 (Also listed as 1929)
Place: Illinois
Source Publication Code: 3703.2
Primary Immigrant: Breen, Nathan
Annotation: Date and place of filing petition for declaration of intention
or naturalization. Year of birth, type of naturalization document, year of
document, and book and page number of original record are also provided.
Source Bibliography: KANE COUNTY, ILLINOIS NATURALIZATION INDEX 1906-1955.
Geneva, IL: Kane County Genealogical Society, 1991. 187p.
Page: 21

Joe Pessarra In Texas




Yes, it's probably him. Do I need to write to Geneva, IL to obtain
Naturalization records? How much information will the Naturalization record
give me?

MikeS

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av MikeS » 08 jan 2007 22:23:23

"Meghan Breen" <junkdepot2k@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I have been trying to research my great great grandfather that came from
Kiev. His name was Nathan Breen and he probably came over before 1900. He
died in 1945 of December in Chicago and I'm in the process of getting an
obit on him, but I'm not expecting much to be metioned in the obit.

According to the Illinois Archives he died in Elgin, Kane County, Illinois.
See this site
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/depar ... index.html

I suggest you obtain a copy of his death certificate either from the State
of Illinois or Kane County which will contain his date and place of birth
and perhaps his parents names.

Can you please tell me the name of his wife. I have found a Nathan Breen in
the 1930 U. S. Census in Kane County, IL.

Joe has already given you information on his naturalization. You should be
able to acquire these records from Kane County as well. If possible, also
try to acquire his Declaration of Intent to become a citizen in addition to
his nationalization records. The Declaration of Intent usually contains
more information. Joe can probably help in this regard.

Mike

Meghan Breen

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Meghan Breen » 08 jan 2007 23:44:22

His wife's name is Ida
Thanks for the help I appreciate










"MikeS" <archangel@heaven.com> wrote in message
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"Meghan Breen" <junkdepot2k@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I have been trying to research my great great grandfather that came from
Kiev. His name was Nathan Breen and he probably came over before 1900. He
died in 1945 of December in Chicago and I'm in the process of getting an
obit on him, but I'm not expecting much to be metioned in the obit.

According to the Illinois Archives he died in Elgin, Kane County,
Illinois. See this site
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/depar ... index.html

I suggest you obtain a copy of his death certificate either from the State
of Illinois or Kane County which will contain his date and place of birth
and perhaps his parents names.

Can you please tell me the name of his wife. I have found a Nathan Breen
in the 1930 U. S. Census in Kane County, IL.

Joe has already given you information on his naturalization. You should
be able to acquire these records from Kane County as well. If possible,
also try to acquire his Declaration of Intent to become a citizen in
addition to his nationalization records. The Declaration of Intent
usually contains more information. Joe can probably help in this regard.

Mike

saki

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av saki » 09 jan 2007 00:05:53

"Meghan Breen" <junkdepot2k@hotmail.com> wrote in
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His wife's name is Ida
Thanks for the help I appreciate

That makes it easier!

He's shown married to Ida, with children Norman, Meyer, Stanley and
Harold in the 1930 census, city of Elgin, Kane County, Illinois. This
Nathan was born around 1877 in Russia and was a men's clothier.

There's a death certificate for a Norman Breen who died in Dec. 1945 in
the Illinois death records database so the certificate itself should be
available on microfilm. Perhaps that would give his birthdate and
parents' names. And there's one for Ida from 1940.

According to the census he and Ida didn't marry until 1914. Also
emigration dates are given for both, 1891 for Nathan and 1900 for Ida.

I'm guessing that Breen wasn't the surname with which he emigrated,
though; just a hunch.

----
saki@ucla.edu
http://sakionline.net/familypage

Doug Corbin

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Doug Corbin » 09 jan 2007 17:02:53

Here's his obituary:

Chicago Tribune (IL) - December 11, 1945
BREEN
Deceased Name: Nathan Breen
Nathan Breen, 110 Ludeka place, Elgin, Ill., beloved husband of Ida, fond
father of C. P. O. Norman, U. S. N., Lt. Myer, U. S. A., Lt. Stanley, U. S.
N., and Lt. Harold, U. S. A. A. F., grandfather of Nancy Jane. Funeral
Wednesday, 10 a.m., at chapel, 3021 Lawrence avenue. Interment Westlawn
cemetery.


Chicago Tribune (IL)
Date: December 11, 1945
Edition: Chicago Tribune
Record Number: 19451211dn039
Copyright 1945

Here they are in 1920:

Household Members: Name Age
Nathan Breen 45 Russia imm 1891 tailor
Ida Breen 38 Russia imm 1900
Norton Breen 5 4/12 IL
Meyer Breen 3 10/12 IL
Stanley Breen 1 6/12 IL

Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Chicago Ward 12, Cook (Chicago),
Illinois; Roll: T625_320; Page: 7B; Enumeration District: 691; Image: 1015.

"Meghan Breen" <junkdepot2k@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:NYidnUbCW51VPT_YnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@bresnan.com...
I have been trying to research my great great grandfather that came from
Kiev. His name was Nathan Breen and he probably came over before 1900. He
died in 1945 of December in Chicago and I'm in the process of getting an
obit on him, but I'm not expecting much to be metioned in the obit. My dad
said what he was ever told the name was never changed. According to my
dad,
he probably did not know his birthdate. If any body can help me research
this it would be great because I don't know where to start on this.

--
Meghan Breen
http://www.rtdos.com


Meghan Breen

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Meghan Breen » 09 jan 2007 22:06:17

Thank You all for helping me in getting started with this.

My dad also thinks the name was also changed, but according to some family
members it was never changed. I have sent in for Naturalization records on
Ida and Nathan. From what I was able to find out, He was naturalized in
1929. Will those records give me the name he came over with if the name was
possibly changed?






"Doug Corbin" <bookrk@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Here's his obituary:

Chicago Tribune (IL) - December 11, 1945
BREEN
Deceased Name: Nathan Breen
Nathan Breen, 110 Ludeka place, Elgin, Ill., beloved husband of Ida, fond
father of C. P. O. Norman, U. S. N., Lt. Myer, U. S. A., Lt. Stanley, U.
S.
N., and Lt. Harold, U. S. A. A. F., grandfather of Nancy Jane. Funeral
Wednesday, 10 a.m., at chapel, 3021 Lawrence avenue. Interment Westlawn
cemetery.


Chicago Tribune (IL)
Date: December 11, 1945
Edition: Chicago Tribune
Record Number: 19451211dn039
Copyright 1945

Here they are in 1920:

Household Members: Name Age
Nathan Breen 45 Russia imm 1891 tailor
Ida Breen 38 Russia imm 1900
Norton Breen 5 4/12 IL
Meyer Breen 3 10/12 IL
Stanley Breen 1 6/12 IL

Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Chicago Ward 12, Cook (Chicago),
Illinois; Roll: T625_320; Page: 7B; Enumeration District: 691; Image:
1015.

"Meghan Breen" <junkdepot2k@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:NYidnUbCW51VPT_YnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@bresnan.com...
I have been trying to research my great great grandfather that came from
Kiev. His name was Nathan Breen and he probably came over before 1900. He
died in 1945 of December in Chicago and I'm in the process of getting an
obit on him, but I'm not expecting much to be metioned in the obit. My
dad
said what he was ever told the name was never changed. According to my
dad,
he probably did not know his birthdate. If any body can help me research
this it would be great because I don't know where to start on this.

--
Meghan Breen
http://www.rtdos.com




saki

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av saki » 09 jan 2007 22:54:00

"Meghan Breen" <junkdepot2k@hotmail.com> wrote in
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My dad also thinks the name was also changed, but according to some
family members it was never changed.

Breen doesn't strike me as a particularly Slavic name, and your Nathan
Breen said he was from Russia.

A quick look at Ancestry's immigration records doesn't turn up a Nathan
Breen (who says he arrived in 1891) fitting your gg-grandfather's stats.

But if you're willing to be flexible on the year of arrival there's a
Nathan (actually written Nachum, Hebrew version of Nathan) Brun, age 11,
arriving in New York on June 1, 1886 on the Circassia. He's listed as
traveling from Russia and is a tailor. Your Nathan was a clothier and was
born c. 1875. Could be....

I have sent in for Naturalization
records on Ida and Nathan. From what I was able to find out, He was
naturalized in 1929. Will those records give me the name he came over
with if the name was possibly changed?

I don't think they will (corrections welcomed if I'm wrong about this),
particularly because he was already Nathan Breen in the 1920 census. That
may also have been the name he used on his 1914 marriage license to Ida.
You could check the Cook County marriage index for that year to see what
turns up.

If you're going for the declaration of intent, that should have the
applicant's name, which foreign givernment he's renouncing, the date of
the petition, and probably (by as late as 1929) age or bithdate, place of
birth, date and place of entry to the USA.

If you get the petition itself you will also probably get the date and
place of marriage as well as all the info on the declaration.

----
saki@ucla.edu
http://sakionline.net/familypage

Alida Spry

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Alida Spry » 09 jan 2007 23:39:56

Meghan,

I have my grandfather's Petition for Citizenship, Oath of Allegiance,
Certificate of Arrival and Declaration of Intention from the National
Archives. Here's the info that will probably be included (of course some
variations will occur from year to year as the forms were changed):

Petition for Citizenship (1930)
District and court where it occurred
Applicant's Name
Address and Occupation
Place of birth and Date of Birth
Race
Date of Declaration and Court presiding (county and state)
Married or single and Name of spouse
Date and Place of Birth of Spouse
Date and Place of Marriage
Number of children and Names
Dates and Places of Birth for children
Last foreign residence
Port of Emigration
Port of Immigration
Name on Arrival and Date of Arrival
Name of Ship
Where currently residing and for how long
Date of Petition
Signature
Affidavits of Witnesses with names, addresses, occupations and
signatures

Oath of Allegiance (1931)
Name of former country of citizenship
Signature of Applicant
Date
Clerk name and signature
Certificate number

Certificate of Arrival (1930)
Certificate number
Port of Entry
Name on Arrival
Date of Arrival
Ship Name
Date Issued

Declaration of Intention (1926)
Certificate number
County and State
Name of Applicant
Age in years
Occupation
Physical description (including skin color, complexion, height, weight,
hair color, eye color, distinctive marks)
Date and Place of Birth
Current Residence
Ship of Arrival
Spouse's name and place of birth and current place of residence
Former citizenship
Port of Arrival and Date
Signature of Applicant
Date
Clerk name and signature

I hope this helps you have an idea of what to expect to receive if they have
your great great grandfather's papers. My grandparents were also from
Ukraine but their hometowns are now in Poland since the borders were
changed.

I have the email address of a very nice woman at the National Archives who
will do the look up for you. They charge $10.00 only after they've located
the papers When they receive payment, they will send them out so there's no
fee if they can't find them.

Alida


"Meghan Breen" <junkdepot2k@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gOudnT0KqfnVmTnYnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@bresnan.com...
Thank You all for helping me in getting started with this.

My dad also thinks the name was also changed, but according to some family
members it was never changed. I have sent in for Naturalization records on
Ida and Nathan. From what I was able to find out, He was naturalized in
1929. Will those records give me the name he came over with if the name
was possibly changed?






"Doug Corbin" <bookrk@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:N0Poh.14517$yC5.3440@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
Here's his obituary:

Chicago Tribune (IL) - December 11, 1945
BREEN
Deceased Name: Nathan Breen
Nathan Breen, 110 Ludeka place, Elgin, Ill., beloved husband of Ida, fond
father of C. P. O. Norman, U. S. N., Lt. Myer, U. S. A., Lt. Stanley, U.
S.
N., and Lt. Harold, U. S. A. A. F., grandfather of Nancy Jane. Funeral
Wednesday, 10 a.m., at chapel, 3021 Lawrence avenue. Interment Westlawn
cemetery.


Chicago Tribune (IL)
Date: December 11, 1945
Edition: Chicago Tribune
Record Number: 19451211dn039
Copyright 1945

Here they are in 1920:

Household Members: Name Age
Nathan Breen 45 Russia imm 1891 tailor
Ida Breen 38 Russia imm 1900
Norton Breen 5 4/12 IL
Meyer Breen 3 10/12 IL
Stanley Breen 1 6/12 IL

Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Chicago Ward 12, Cook
(Chicago),
Illinois; Roll: T625_320; Page: 7B; Enumeration District: 691; Image:
1015.

"Meghan Breen" <junkdepot2k@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:NYidnUbCW51VPT_YnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@bresnan.com...
I have been trying to research my great great grandfather that came from
Kiev. His name was Nathan Breen and he probably came over before 1900.
He
died in 1945 of December in Chicago and I'm in the process of getting an
obit on him, but I'm not expecting much to be metioned in the obit. My
dad
said what he was ever told the name was never changed. According to my
dad,
he probably did not know his birthdate. If any body can help me research
this it would be great because I don't know where to start on this.

--
Meghan Breen
http://www.rtdos.com






Huntersglenn

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 09 jan 2007 23:46:03

saki wrote:

Breen doesn't strike me as a particularly Slavic name, and your Nathan
Breen said he was from Russia.


Not to say that Breen might not be a Russian name, but every person that

I've known with that last name has been of Irish Catholic descent.

Cathy

Alida Spry

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Alida Spry » 10 jan 2007 01:46:08

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
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saki wrote:


Breen doesn't strike me as a particularly Slavic name, and your Nathan
Breen said he was from Russia.
Not to say that Breen might not be a Russian name, but every person that
I've known with that last name has been of Irish Catholic descent.

Cathy

According to the census info though, Nathan was Hebrew from Russia. My
great grandmother was born and lived her entire life in what would be Poland
and Ukraine today but her last name was Garber which is a German sounding
surname. Sometimes you can't tell by the "sound" of the name.

Alida

Celia Mitschelen

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Celia Mitschelen » 10 jan 2007 18:14:00

"Alida Spry" <a_spry@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
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saki wrote:


Breen doesn't strike me as a particularly Slavic name, and your Nathan
Breen said he was from Russia.
Not to say that Breen might not be a Russian name, but every person that
I've known with that last name has been of Irish Catholic descent.

Cathy

According to the census info though, Nathan was Hebrew from Russia. My
great grandmother was born and lived her entire life in what would be
Poland
and Ukraine today but her last name was Garber which is a German sounding
surname. Sometimes you can't tell by the "sound" of the name.

Alida

You must remember that there were many people from Germany, particularly
southern Germany that emigrated to Russia. They were invited by the wife of
Tzar who was German. It seems her brother was the ruler of Wuerttemberg but
I would have to look that up. Royalty married royalty and you find members
scattered all over the map. Anyway she offered them a very good deal at the
time. The Danube Swabians fall in this category. Mass emigration from
Germany to America came at a later date.

Celia

Huntersglenn

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 10 jan 2007 21:28:23

Alida Spry wrote:
"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message

According to the census info though, Nathan was Hebrew from Russia. My
great grandmother was born and lived her entire life in what would be Poland
and Ukraine today but her last name was Garber which is a German sounding
surname. Sometimes you can't tell by the "sound" of the name.

I'm not disputing that Nathan was from Russia. I was merely stating
that every single person that I've known with that surname has been
Irish-Catholic. It's more likely that Nathan or a clerk somewhere along
the line, changed the spelling of his name, and that the original name
sounded close to Breen.

Cathy

Henry Brownlee

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Henry Brownlee » 11 jan 2007 02:51:28

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
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Alida Spry wrote:
"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message

According to the census info though, Nathan was Hebrew from
Russia. My
great grandmother was born and lived her entire life in what would
be Poland
and Ukraine today but her last name was Garber which is a German
sounding
surname. Sometimes you can't tell by the "sound" of the name.

I'm not disputing that Nathan was from Russia. I was merely stating
that every single person that I've known with that surname has been
Irish-Catholic. It's more likely that Nathan or a clerk somewhere
along
the line, changed the spelling of his name, and that the original
name
sounded close to Breen.

Cathy

When I was a youth (many moons ago) there was a young lad named
Bobby BREEN who was the singing sensation of the nation (U.S.) He was
definitely of Irish extraction.

Methinks Cathy has it correct and that there was a misinterpretation
of Nathan's surname, or his ancestors emigrated from Ireland to
Russia - but how common was that?

Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana

MahahaavaAhava

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av MahahaavaAhava » 11 jan 2007 03:27:36

Henry Brownlee kirjoitti:
"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
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Alida Spry wrote:
"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message

According to the census info though, Nathan was Hebrew from
Russia. My
great grandmother was born and lived her entire life in what would
be Poland
and Ukraine today but her last name was Garber which is a German
sounding
surname. Sometimes you can't tell by the "sound" of the name.
I'm not disputing that Nathan was from Russia. I was merely stating
that every single person that I've known with that surname has been
Irish-Catholic. It's more likely that Nathan or a clerk somewhere
along
the line, changed the spelling of his name, and that the original
name
sounded close to Breen.

Cathy

When I was a youth (many moons ago) there was a young lad named
Bobby BREEN who was the singing sensation of the nation (U.S.) He was
definitely of Irish extraction.

Methinks Cathy has it correct and that there was a misinterpretation
of Nathan's surname, or his ancestors emigrated from Ireland to
Russia - but how common was that?

Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana

You mean that no-one ever emigrated from "anywhere" eastwards? I'd like

to remind youall of the emigration of the "communists" of US to the
Soviet after the 1st WW. Many a story was there to be told...

/Petri Ahava
(my family mostly just moved from Russia to Finland to Russia and
back...mostly...)

Henry Brownlee

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Henry Brownlee » 11 jan 2007 03:48:08

"MahahaavaAhava" <petri.ahava@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Henry Brownlee kirjoitti:
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Alida Spry wrote:
"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message

According to the census info though, Nathan was Hebrew from
Russia. My
great grandmother was born and lived her entire life in what
would
be Poland
and Ukraine today but her last name was Garber which is a German
sounding
surname. Sometimes you can't tell by the "sound" of the name.
I'm not disputing that Nathan was from Russia. I was merely
stating
that every single person that I've known with that surname has
been
Irish-Catholic. It's more likely that Nathan or a clerk
somewhere
along
the line, changed the spelling of his name, and that the original
name
sounded close to Breen.

Cathy

When I was a youth (many moons ago) there was a young lad named
Bobby BREEN who was the singing sensation of the nation (U.S.) He
was
definitely of Irish extraction.

Methinks Cathy has it correct and that there was a
misinterpretation
of Nathan's surname, or his ancestors emigrated from Ireland to
Russia - but how common was that?

Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana

You mean that no-one ever emigrated from "anywhere" eastwards? I'd
like
to remind youall of the emigration of the "communists" of US to the
Soviet after the 1st WW. Many a story was there to be told...

/Petri Ahava
(my family mostly just moved from Russia to Finland to Russia and
back...mostly...)

Not at all. We are certainly aware of the Germans who emigrated to
Russia. And surely others emigrated "eastward." I was just wondering
how many Irish families emigrated to Russia. And what was the time
period the original poster mentioned? I forget.
--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana

MahahaavaAhava

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av MahahaavaAhava » 11 jan 2007 04:05:54

Henry Brownlee kirjoitti:
"MahahaavaAhava" <petri.ahava@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Henry Brownlee kirjoitti:
"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
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Alida Spry wrote:
"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message

According to the census info though, Nathan was Hebrew from
Russia. My
great grandmother was born and lived her entire life in what
would
be Poland
and Ukraine today but her last name was Garber which is a German
sounding
surname. Sometimes you can't tell by the "sound" of the name.
I'm not disputing that Nathan was from Russia. I was merely
stating
that every single person that I've known with that surname has
been
Irish-Catholic. It's more likely that Nathan or a clerk
somewhere
along
the line, changed the spelling of his name, and that the original
name
sounded close to Breen.

Cathy
When I was a youth (many moons ago) there was a young lad named
Bobby BREEN who was the singing sensation of the nation (U.S.) He
was
definitely of Irish extraction.

Methinks Cathy has it correct and that there was a
misinterpretation
of Nathan's surname, or his ancestors emigrated from Ireland to
Russia - but how common was that?

Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana

You mean that no-one ever emigrated from "anywhere" eastwards? I'd
like
to remind youall of the emigration of the "communists" of US to the
Soviet after the 1st WW. Many a story was there to be told...

/Petri Ahava
(my family mostly just moved from Russia to Finland to Russia and
back...mostly...)

Not at all. We are certainly aware of the Germans who emigrated to
Russia. And surely others emigrated "eastward." I was just wondering
how many Irish families emigrated to Russia. And what was the time
period the original poster mentioned? I forget.
There was a lot of re-emigration during the russian revolutin from apr.

1017 to 1925 apr... A lot of folks that ahd fled from russia who had
been against tsarism went back thinking that communism was better---
well they found out that--- ie. not so good no?

/Petri

Great grandcousin (what's the correct nomenclature? PA IA was the
brother of my great grandfather...) of Iivo Ahava, Red Russian Captain
1915 -- ?

MahahaavaAhava

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av MahahaavaAhava » 11 jan 2007 04:19:37

MahahaavaAhava kirjoitti:
Henry Brownlee kirjoitti:
"MahahaavaAhava" <petri.ahava@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Henry Brownlee kirjoitti:
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Alida Spry wrote:
"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message

According to the census info though, Nathan was Hebrew from
Russia. My
great grandmother was born and lived her entire life in what
would
be Poland
and Ukraine today but her last name was Garber which is a German
sounding
surname. Sometimes you can't tell by the "sound" of the name.
I'm not disputing that Nathan was from Russia. I was merely
stating
that every single person that I've known with that surname has
been
Irish-Catholic. It's more likely that Nathan or a clerk
somewhere
along
the line, changed the spelling of his name, and that the original
name
sounded close to Breen.

Cathy
When I was a youth (many moons ago) there was a young lad named
Bobby BREEN who was the singing sensation of the nation (U.S.) He
was
definitely of Irish extraction.

Methinks Cathy has it correct and that there was a
misinterpretation
of Nathan's surname, or his ancestors emigrated from Ireland to
Russia - but how common was that?

Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana

You mean that no-one ever emigrated from "anywhere" eastwards? I'd
like
to remind youall of the emigration of the "communists" of US to the
Soviet after the 1st WW. Many a story was there to be told...

/Petri Ahava
(my family mostly just moved from Russia to Finland to Russia and
back...mostly...)

Not at all. We are certainly aware of the Germans who emigrated to
Russia. And surely others emigrated "eastward." I was just wondering
how many Irish families emigrated to Russia. And what was the time
period the original poster mentioned? I forget.
There was a lot of re-emigration during the russian revolutin from apr.
1017 to 1925 apr... A lot of folks that ahd fled from russia who had
been against tsarism went back thinking that communism was better---
well they found out that--- ie. not so good no?

/Petri

Great grandcousin (what's the correct nomenclature? PA IA was the
brother of my great grandfather...) of Iivo Ahava, Red Russian Captain
1915 -- ?
I'm sorry for the language of my previous message... Normally I wouldn't

let such language out. Sorry again... I am as said great grandson of the
farther of Iivo Ahava, who was a red-army captain. He met his destiny on
the Murmansk railroad possibly being shot in the back by one of
Maynard's "quasi-cossacks" -- my own description of the british at that
time... !!!Let me at them!""""

/Petri Markku Gabriel Ahava

Christopher Jahn

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 11 jan 2007 05:36:45

saki <saki@ucla.edu> wrote in
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"Meghan Breen" <junkdepot2k@hotmail.com> wrote in
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My dad also thinks the name was also changed, but according
to some family members it was never changed.

Breen doesn't strike me as a particularly Slavic name, and
your Nathan Breen said he was from Russia.

Ah, but if you spell it "Brin", you get a Slavic name that sounds
like "Breen". That makes the family members correct AND the fact
of a different spelling correct.

And there area at least three Brins arriving in 1891, originating
from Russia:

Haue Brin
18 Jun 1891 b. abt 1875, Female, Russian SHIP: Nevada

Moses Brin,
arr 27 Nov 1891, b. abt 1874, Male, Russian, ship; California

Sara Brin
26 Aug 1891, abt 1872, Female, Russian Ship: State of California


--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html
http://jahnstrosity.blogspot.com/
Love as it exists in society is merely the mingling of two
fantasies and the contact of two skins.

Alida Spry

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Alida Spry » 11 jan 2007 16:57:49

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
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Alida Spry wrote:
"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
According to the census info though, Nathan was Hebrew from Russia. My
great grandmother was born and lived her entire life in what would be
Poland and Ukraine today but her last name was Garber which is a German
sounding surname. Sometimes you can't tell by the "sound" of the name.

I'm not disputing that Nathan was from Russia. I was merely stating that
every single person that I've known with that surname has been
Irish-Catholic. It's more likely that Nathan or a clerk somewhere along
the line, changed the spelling of his name, and that the original name
sounded close to Breen.

Cathy


Hi Cathy,

I wasn't saying that you were disputing anything. I was simply stating the
info given from the census and my own experience with name origins. Didn't
mean to start any controversy!

I agree that there probably was a spelling change whether intentional or
not. It's good to have input from different folks.

Best of luck to the original poster.

Alida

Meghan Breen

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av Meghan Breen » 11 jan 2007 17:20:31

Hello Everyone!

Did some talking with my mother. We do know this much they did come over
from Kiev.
How in the world will I ever get down to the bottom of knowing what the real
last name may have been. The names that everybody is coming up with were
some thoughts that my dad had 20 years ago.
I did find out that I have marriage certificate, but it's not in English
it's in Hebrew and they were married in Chicago by 1914. The oldest son is
still alive and I knows he's in his 90's. He does not talk much about the
family at all.

"Christopher Jahn" <xjahn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98B4F0906A6Dxjahn@216.196.97.136...
saki <saki@ucla.edu> wrote in
news:Xns98B38DF3DA479sakiuclaedu@130.133.1.4:

"Meghan Breen" <junkdepot2k@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:gOudnT0KqfnVmTnYnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@bresnan.com:

My dad also thinks the name was also changed, but according
to some family members it was never changed.

Breen doesn't strike me as a particularly Slavic name, and
your Nathan Breen said he was from Russia.

Ah, but if you spell it "Brin", you get a Slavic name that sounds
like "Breen". That makes the family members correct AND the fact
of a different spelling correct.

And there area at least three Brins arriving in 1891, originating
from Russia:

Haue Brin
18 Jun 1891 b. abt 1875, Female, Russian SHIP: Nevada

Moses Brin,
arr 27 Nov 1891, b. abt 1874, Male, Russian, ship; California

Sara Brin
26 Aug 1891, abt 1872, Female, Russian Ship: State of California


--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html
http://jahnstrosity.blogspot.com/
Love as it exists in society is merely the mingling of two
fantasies and the contact of two skins.

saki

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av saki » 11 jan 2007 18:36:13

"Meghan Breen" <junkdepot2k@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:C4idnX_M5MJM_jvYnZ2dnUVZ_tSunZ2d@bresnan.com:

I did find out that I have marriage certificate, but it's not in
English it's in Hebrew and they were married in Chicago by 1914.

It would be worth trying to get a scan of this certificate (technically a
ketubah, the Jewish marriage agreement) and post it online so that someone
can help you read it---either here or in soc.genealogy,jewish, where you've
also posted a query. The bridegroom's and bride's original Hebrew names
should be listed, as would be their parents' first names.

It would be worthwhile scanning the Cook County marriage index for 1914 to
see whether a Breen turns up, or some variant of it (Brin, Brun, etc.). A
local LDS family history center may be able to help you with this search.

----
saki@ucla.edu
http://sakionline.net/familypage

James A. Doemer

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 11 jan 2007 23:55:38

In News Xns98B38DF3DA479sakiuclaedu@130.133.1.4,, saki at saki@ucla.edu,
typed this:

"Meghan Breen" <junkdepot2k@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:gOudnT0KqfnVmTnYnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@bresnan.com:

My dad also thinks the name was also changed, but according to some
family members it was never changed.

Breen doesn't strike me as a particularly Slavic name, and your Nathan
Breen said he was from Russia.


Looking at the Castle Garden site, there are over 1400 Breen's listed as
having come from Canada, England, Germany, and various other places, no
Slavic countries are listed.

MikeS

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av MikeS » 12 jan 2007 00:53:31

"James A. Doemer" <ckdbigtoeNOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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In News Xns98B38DF3DA479sakiuclaedu@130.133.1.4,, saki at saki@ucla.edu,
typed this:
Looking at the Castle Garden site, there are over 1400 Breen's listed as
having come from Canada, England, Germany, and various other places, no
Slavic countries are listed.

Using this rationale, if you look on the Ellis Island site you will find
several "Breenberg" from Russia.

Mike

James A. Doemer

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 12 jan 2007 02:41:31

In News 45a6cdf6$0$27041$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, MikeS at
archangel@heaven.com, typed this:

"James A. Doemer" <ckdbigtoeNOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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In News Xns98B38DF3DA479sakiuclaedu@130.133.1.4,, saki at
saki@ucla.edu, typed this:
Looking at the Castle Garden site, there are over 1400 Breen's
listed as having come from Canada, England, Germany, and various
other places, no Slavic countries are listed.

Using this rationale, if you look on the Ellis Island site you will
find several "Breenberg" from Russia.

Mike

True. Castle Garden is certainly not the only word on things, but it looked
like most of the Breen's there were from Ireland.

MahahaavaAhava

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av MahahaavaAhava » 12 jan 2007 02:50:45

MikeS kirjoitti:
"James A. Doemer" <ckdbigtoeNOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Kfzph.9834$w91.2396@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
In News Xns98B38DF3DA479sakiuclaedu@130.133.1.4,, saki at saki@ucla.edu,
typed this:
Looking at the Castle Garden site, there are over 1400 Breen's listed as
having come from Canada, England, Germany, and various other places, no
Slavic countries are listed.

Using this rationale, if you look on the Ellis Island site you will find
several "Breenberg" from Russia.

Mike


Ellis Island won't bee much help. Earlier saw stated that immigration

happened in 1891, Ellis on-line starts from 1892...

/Petri

ecunningham

Re: Surname Help

Legg inn av ecunningham » 12 jan 2007 04:34:05

Meghan Breen wrote:

Did some talking with my mother. We do know this much they did come over
from Kiev.
How in the world will I ever get down to the bottom of knowing what the real
last name may have been. The names that everybody is coming up with were
some thoughts that my dad had 20 years ago.
I did find out that I have marriage certificate, but it's not in English
it's in Hebrew and they were married in Chicago by 1914.

Meghan: Let's stop guessing and get up to speed with what we know:
He is a Russian Jew who married in the US. So therefore, somewhere
there is a marriage certificate written in English! You say "by 1914",
do you mean you think they married somewhere else other than Chicago?
If not, search the Cook County indexes on film or have a researcher do
it for you. There are several reliable researchers around. By 1920 he
is Breen, get the sons' birth records from Chicago (use a
researcher--quicker).
Did he have a Social Security Number? If you know it, get his
application.
I don't see his WWI draft registration, but if he owned his own store
and looked old enough, he may have avoided registration, or it is
misfiled. His age is on the borderline for registration.
Do you have his obituary? Does it name a religious house of worship?
Did that place have any histories done to mark anniversaries--check
Google Books.
Check the local historical books especially those covering the Jewish
population. Ask the local librarian if they have any vertical files on
the Jewish population in that town.
Seem to recall the Chicago Historical Society had a webpage with
sections devoted to ethnic groups and ethnic sections of town. Too
hurried right now to search my bookmarks.
Have fun.
ecunningham@att.net

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