Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status updat
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Gjest
Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status updat
A few years ago the Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database
http://www.islendingabok.is went online. It includes almost all
available Icelandic genealogy information from the earliest times until
the present - including all currently living Icelanders, with automatic
monthly updates of newborn children and the newly deceased.
Access to this database is free of charge and more than half of the
entire population of the country has by now registered as users of the
database.
Users can look at trees like this:
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k109/Adinos/tree.jpg browse through
their ancestry and relatives or check how they are related to anyone
else in the database. On the average, the trees are fairly complete
for the last 10 generations or so, but become somewhat sparse earlier -
although everyone can trace some branches back to the 9th century.
The original plan was to open the database to people of Icelandic
ancestry, in particular descendants of the Icelanders that went to
Canada and the US in the 1874-1914 period and to provide an English
language interface to the dtabase. Unfortunately, however, due to
recent cutbacks in our funding, those plans have been cancelled.
http://www.islendingabok.is went online. It includes almost all
available Icelandic genealogy information from the earliest times until
the present - including all currently living Icelanders, with automatic
monthly updates of newborn children and the newly deceased.
Access to this database is free of charge and more than half of the
entire population of the country has by now registered as users of the
database.
Users can look at trees like this:
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k109/Adinos/tree.jpg browse through
their ancestry and relatives or check how they are related to anyone
else in the database. On the average, the trees are fairly complete
for the last 10 generations or so, but become somewhat sparse earlier -
although everyone can trace some branches back to the 9th century.
The original plan was to open the database to people of Icelandic
ancestry, in particular descendants of the Icelanders that went to
Canada and the US in the 1874-1914 period and to provide an English
language interface to the dtabase. Unfortunately, however, due to
recent cutbacks in our funding, those plans have been cancelled.
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J. Anderson
Re: Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status u
<frisk@complex.is> wrote in message
news:1167919530.194331.90670@i15g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Interesting, thanks! Btw, have you never regarded the lack of family names
as a handicap? Was Islendingabok a sort of 'compensation' for the problems
involved with a genealogy based on patronyms?
Regards,
John
news:1167919530.194331.90670@i15g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
A few years ago the Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database
http://www.islendingabok.is went online. It includes almost all
available Icelandic genealogy information from the earliest times until
the present - including all currently living Icelanders, with automatic
monthly updates of newborn children and the newly deceased.
Access to this database is free of charge and more than half of the
entire population of the country has by now registered as users of the
database.
Users can look at trees like this:
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k109/Adinos/tree.jpg browse through
their ancestry and relatives or check how they are related to anyone
else in the database. On the average, the trees are fairly complete
for the last 10 generations or so, but become somewhat sparse earlier -
although everyone can trace some branches back to the 9th century.
Interesting, thanks! Btw, have you never regarded the lack of family names
as a handicap? Was Islendingabok a sort of 'compensation' for the problems
involved with a genealogy based on patronyms?
Regards,
John
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Gjest
Re: Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status u
J. Anderson wrote:
Handicap? Why on earth should it be? It is just as useful to know
only the father's first name as it is to know only his last.
"Compensation"? Sorry, the question just does not make any sense to
me, as I am not really aware of any specific problems related to the
patronymics. The database is ... well... just something that was done
to prove it could be done, I guess.
Besides, if there were any "patronymic problems" it probably would not
have been feasible to build a database of this quality for the entire
country.
Btw, have you never regarded the lack of family names
as a handicap?
Handicap? Why on earth should it be? It is just as useful to know
only the father's first name as it is to know only his last.
Was Islendingabok a sort of 'compensation' for the problems
involved with a genealogy based on patronyms?
"Compensation"? Sorry, the question just does not make any sense to
me, as I am not really aware of any specific problems related to the
patronymics. The database is ... well... just something that was done
to prove it could be done, I guess.
Besides, if there were any "patronymic problems" it probably would not
have been feasible to build a database of this quality for the entire
country.
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Kurt
Re: Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status u
<frisk@complex.is> wrote in message
news:1167922870.431750.177940@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
As a Swede, I totally agree. It is instead a great advantage.
On the contrary, it makes your searches for relatives more accurate.
Kurt F
news:1167922870.431750.177940@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
J. Anderson wrote:
Btw, have you never regarded the lack of family names
as a handicap?
Handicap? Why on earth should it be? It is just as useful to know
only the father's first name as it is to know only his last.
As a Swede, I totally agree. It is instead a great advantage.
Was Islendingabok a sort of 'compensation' for the problems
involved with a genealogy based on patronyms?
"Compensation"? Sorry, the question just does not make any sense to
me, as I am not really aware of any specific problems related to the
patronymics.
On the contrary, it makes your searches for relatives more accurate.
Kurt F
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J. Anderson
Re: Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status u
<frisk@complex.is> wrote in message
news:1167922870.431750.177940@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
Hmm... an interesting approach. In countries with family names there are
family associations (Sw. släktförening) for genealogic research and other
manifestations of affinity. The members usually find it fascinating and
somehow valuable that generation after generation has been carrying the same
family name perhaps for centuries.
news:1167922870.431750.177940@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
J. Anderson wrote:
Btw, have you never regarded the lack of family names
as a handicap?
Handicap? Why on earth should it be? It is just as useful to know
only the father's first name as it is to know only his last.
Hmm... an interesting approach. In countries with family names there are
family associations (Sw. släktförening) for genealogic research and other
manifestations of affinity. The members usually find it fascinating and
somehow valuable that generation after generation has been carrying the same
family name perhaps for centuries.
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Gjest
Re: Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status u
J. Anderson wrote:
Well, I guess that from our perspective such a view would be seen as
somewhat...narrow. It focuses on one particular branch of the family
tree - the direct patrilineal one, but well...from my perspective, all
the other branches are equally important. It is a TREE, after all.
And not having family names does not mean that you cannot have
genealogical work on one family that goes on for generations - the
focus is just a bit different.
The important point about the database is however, that it is pretty
much "complete" - including almost all available genealogy information
for the entire country, and includes every living person in the country
(well, excluding temporary foreign workers and such).
Hmm... an interesting approach. In countries with family names there are
family associations (Sw. släktförening) for genealogic research and other
manifestations of affinity. The members usually find it fascinating and
somehow valuable that generation after generation has been carrying the same
family name perhaps for centuries.
Well, I guess that from our perspective such a view would be seen as
somewhat...narrow. It focuses on one particular branch of the family
tree - the direct patrilineal one, but well...from my perspective, all
the other branches are equally important. It is a TREE, after all.
And not having family names does not mean that you cannot have
genealogical work on one family that goes on for generations - the
focus is just a bit different.
The important point about the database is however, that it is pretty
much "complete" - including almost all available genealogy information
for the entire country, and includes every living person in the country
(well, excluding temporary foreign workers and such).
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J. Anderson
Re: Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status u
<frisk@complex.is> wrote in message
news:1167933921.052121.292750@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Right, and of course the whole concept is fascinating. Wish we would have
something like that in Finland too. We have quite complete KIRKJUBÆKUR and
MANNTÖL going back to the 16 hundreds, so it's 'only' a matter of time and
money.
news:1167933921.052121.292750@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The important point about the database is however, that it is pretty
much "complete" - including almost all available genealogy information
for the entire country, and includes every living person in the country
(well, excluding temporary foreign workers and such).
Right, and of course the whole concept is fascinating. Wish we would have
something like that in Finland too. We have quite complete KIRKJUBÆKUR and
MANNTÖL going back to the 16 hundreds, so it's 'only' a matter of time and
money.
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Hugh Watkins
Re: Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status u
J. Anderson wrote:
silly question
stop trolling
you - the son of some old Anders in the nineteenth century - get on ok
with a patromymic which has in fact lost its meaning
Icelanders have up to date patronymics fresh with every generation
small is beautiful and everyone knows everyone anyway
Hugh W
--
a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/
Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks
old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG
frisk@complex.is> wrote in message
news:1167919530.194331.90670@i15g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
A few years ago the Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database
http://www.islendingabok.is went online. It includes almost all
available Icelandic genealogy information from the earliest times until
the present - including all currently living Icelanders, with automatic
monthly updates of newborn children and the newly deceased.
Access to this database is free of charge and more than half of the
entire population of the country has by now registered as users of the
database.
Users can look at trees like this:
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k109/Adinos/tree.jpg browse through
their ancestry and relatives or check how they are related to anyone
else in the database. On the average, the trees are fairly complete
for the last 10 generations or so, but become somewhat sparse earlier -
although everyone can trace some branches back to the 9th century.
Interesting, thanks! Btw, have you never regarded the lack of family names
as a handicap? Was Islendingabok a sort of 'compensation' for the problems
involved with a genealogy based on patronyms?
silly question
stop trolling
you - the son of some old Anders in the nineteenth century - get on ok
with a patromymic which has in fact lost its meaning
Icelanders have up to date patronymics fresh with every generation
small is beautiful and everyone knows everyone anyway
Hugh W
--
a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/
Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks
old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG
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Hugh Watkins
Re: Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status u
frisk@complex.is wrote:
how much genealogy will get added for them?
Hugh W
--
a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/
Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks
old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG
J. Anderson wrote:
Hmm... an interesting approach. In countries with family names there are
family associations (Sw. släktförening) for genealogic research and other
manifestations of affinity. The members usually find it fascinating and
somehow valuable that generation after generation has been carrying the same
family name perhaps for centuries.
Well, I guess that from our perspective such a view would be seen as
somewhat...narrow. It focuses on one particular branch of the family
tree - the direct patrilineal one, but well...from my perspective, all
the other branches are equally important. It is a TREE, after all.
And not having family names does not mean that you cannot have
genealogical work on one family that goes on for generations - the
focus is just a bit different.
The important point about the database is however, that it is pretty
much "complete" - including almost all available genealogy information
for the entire country, and includes every living person in the country
(well, excluding temporary foreign workers and such << unless they marry a local girl.
how much genealogy will get added for them?
Hugh W
--
a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/
Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks
old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG
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Stein R
Re: Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status u
"J. Anderson" <andersons6@inbox.lv> wrote in
news:uMcnh.19391$0w4.5463@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi:
Sweden has their church books (husforhørsbøker mm) online. Pay service,
though - http://www.genline.se. I paid a membership for three months to
research
the ancestry of a brother-in-law of Swedish-American ancestry.
Those swedes were darned well organized. You can follow people year by
year, and they were good at adding cross references - when people left a
farm there would be a "see emigrated no xxx". On the emigrated pages
they would note "emigrated from farm no xxx to parish yyy", and in the
immigration list for parish yyy it would say "came from parish zzz on
dd.mm.yy, see new home on farm no aaa". Or words to that effect. You can
quite easily get spoiled by that kind of luxury.
The Norwegian church books are also being digitized and put on the net.
For free. See http://www.digitalarkivet.no
Smile,
Stein
news:uMcnh.19391$0w4.5463@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi:
frisk@complex.is> wrote in message
news:1167933921.052121.292750@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The important point about the database is however, that it is pretty
much "complete" - including almost all available genealogy
information for the entire country, and includes every living person
in the country (well, excluding temporary foreign workers and such).
Right, and of course the whole concept is fascinating. Wish we would
have something like that in Finland too. We have quite complete
KIRKJUBÆKUR and MANNTÖL going back to the 16 hundreds, so it's 'only'
a matter of time and money.
Sweden has their church books (husforhørsbøker mm) online. Pay service,
though - http://www.genline.se. I paid a membership for three months to
research
the ancestry of a brother-in-law of Swedish-American ancestry.
Those swedes were darned well organized. You can follow people year by
year, and they were good at adding cross references - when people left a
farm there would be a "see emigrated no xxx". On the emigrated pages
they would note "emigrated from farm no xxx to parish yyy", and in the
immigration list for parish yyy it would say "came from parish zzz on
dd.mm.yy, see new home on farm no aaa". Or words to that effect. You can
quite easily get spoiled by that kind of luxury.
The Norwegian church books are also being digitized and put on the net.
For free. See http://www.digitalarkivet.no
Smile,
Stein
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Donald L. Hendrix
Re: Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status u
So, if I understand your post, this means that people like me who responded
to the questionaire sent out when the plan was to allow acces to descendants
of those who had left Iceland for North America between 18974 and 1914 are
not able to access this database. Is this true? If so, this would be a
real shame.
<
to the questionaire sent out when the plan was to allow acces to descendants
of those who had left Iceland for North America between 18974 and 1914 are
not able to access this database. Is this true? If so, this would be a
real shame.
<
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Hugh Watkins
Re: Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status u
Donald L. Hendrix wrote:
if they can read Icelandic they could manage
or they could join a genealogical society in Iceland and ask a friend
Ættfræðifélagið - The Genealogy Society
Þetta er heimasíða Ættfræðifélagsins - The Genealogy Society of Iceland
- Den Genealogiske Forening i Island. the site appears to be down
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ge ... gle+Search
.. there is no concept of "the family name" - no Smiths or Joneses - but
on the other hand the system generates a quite obsessive interest in
genealogy.
and there are ethical doubts about the genetic database and privacy
but in a villlage nothing i private
Hugh W
--
a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/
Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks
old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG
So, if I understand your post, this means that people like me who responded
to the questionaire sent out when the plan was to allow acces to descendants
of those who had left Iceland for North America between 18974 and 1914 are
not able to access this database. Is this true? If so, this would be a
real shame.
if they can read Icelandic they could manage
or they could join a genealogical society in Iceland and ask a friend
Ættfræðifélagið - The Genealogy Society
Þetta er heimasíða Ættfræðifélagsins - The Genealogy Society of Iceland
- Den Genealogiske Forening i Island. the site appears to be down
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ge ... gle+Search
.. there is no concept of "the family name" - no Smiths or Joneses - but
on the other hand the system generates a quite obsessive interest in
genealogy.
and there are ethical doubts about the genetic database and privacy
but in a villlage nothing i private
Hugh W
--
a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/
Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks
old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG
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Gjest
Re: Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status u
Donald L. Hendrix wrote:
Questionaire? We never sent out anything like that. I know there was
some
kind of a questionaire sent out a few years ago, but we had nothing to
do with
that - I think the main sponsor of that was an airline company that
wanted to
build a list of people of Icelandic ancestry, so they could market
trips to Iceland
to that group.
There was a plan to open the database to descendants of Icelandic
emigrants,
but as I said, those plans had to be cancelled due to cuts in our
funding.
So, if I understand your post, this means that people like me who responded
to the questionaire sent out when the plan was to allow acces to descendants
of those who had left Iceland for North America between 18974 and 1914 are
not able to access this database. Is this true? If so, this would be a
real shame.
Questionaire? We never sent out anything like that. I know there was
some
kind of a questionaire sent out a few years ago, but we had nothing to
do with
that - I think the main sponsor of that was an airline company that
wanted to
build a list of people of Icelandic ancestry, so they could market
trips to Iceland
to that group.
There was a plan to open the database to descendants of Icelandic
emigrants,
but as I said, those plans had to be cancelled due to cuts in our
funding.
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Lars Erik Bryld
Re: Icelandic nation-wide genealogy database - 2007 status u
I have used the Íslendingabók database with much joy (my mother is
Icelandic), but I have been somewhat hampered by the fact that the
database have very strict privacy settings for viewing other than
direct ancestors until you pass the 1700-mark. Sometimes I'd have
liked to check some facts I had from the online 1816-census or the
1845-census, which I have access to in book form. Is there a
legislative motivation for such strict privacy settings 300 years back
in time? I'd really like if the pricacy settings were suspended for
persons born earlier than 150 years ago instead.
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Hafðu það sem best
Lars Erik Bryld
Icelandic), but I have been somewhat hampered by the fact that the
database have very strict privacy settings for viewing other than
direct ancestors until you pass the 1700-mark. Sometimes I'd have
liked to check some facts I had from the online 1816-census or the
1845-census, which I have access to in book form. Is there a
legislative motivation for such strict privacy settings 300 years back
in time? I'd really like if the pricacy settings were suspended for
persons born earlier than 150 years ago instead.
--
Hafðu það sem best
Lars Erik Bryld