Robert WOOLLAM of North Wales - Pennsylvania

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Mandy Whitham

Robert WOOLLAM of North Wales - Pennsylvania

Legg inn av Mandy Whitham » 27 des 2006 08:53:54

I am researching the Woollam family of North Wales/Cheshire and have "lost"
a son!

The family are living in Gwersyllt, Denbighshire, Wales - the parents were
William & Elizabeth Woollam (nee Youd) - they used to be the publican's at
the Red Lion for quite some time but William is also shown as being a coal
miner.

William & Elizabeth had several children, amongst them a son Robert born
c1857. He's at home with the family on the 1871 Wales Census - a coal miner
(his birth place is listed as Farndon, Cheshire) but he disappears after
that. However. a Robert Woollam, birth place England in 1857, appears in
the US.

In 1880 he is a 23yr old Prisoner in Pottsville County Jail, Shuylkill.
He's been unemployed for 1 month in the past year. I am on the PAShuylkill
List and it has been suggested that he may have been itinerant hence being
in prison. Subsequent census pages show him to be a married man with family
and a coal miner. From the 1900 it would appear that he arrived in 1878 but
I haven't been able to find any passenger list entries for a Robert WOOLLAM
- although I wonder if he had a rich Welsh accent whether the name was
mis-transcribed.

And so to my question - I have no experience of naturalization records and
so have no idea the kind of information they contain. If I could obtain a
copy of his naturalization papers would that give me any information about
his life in England, in particular his parentage or place of birth (other
than just England).

I had hoped that the marriage entry for Robert to Annie would provide me
with his father's name (UK ones do) but have been told that US marriage
certs don't contain that kind of information.

I can't think of anywhere else that might have the information that would
confirm whether he's my Robert or not. (There is another Robert in the US
of the same time frame but he's a butler in New York - I think the coal
miner is by far the better option bearing in mind his and his father's
occupation!)

Many thanks

Mandy Whitham (Cumbria, UK)

jj206

Re: Robert WOOLLAM of North Wales - Pennsylvania

Legg inn av jj206 » 27 des 2006 21:07:09

Mandy Whitham wrote:
I am researching the Woollam family of North Wales/Cheshire and have "lost"
a son!

The family are living in Gwersyllt, Denbighshire, Wales - the parents were
William & Elizabeth Woollam (nee Youd) - they used to be the publican's at
the Red Lion for quite some time but William is also shown as being a coal
miner.

William & Elizabeth had several children, amongst them a son Robert born
c1857. He's at home with the family on the 1871 Wales Census - a coal miner
(his birth place is listed as Farndon, Cheshire) but he disappears after
that. However. a Robert Woollam, birth place England in 1857, appears in
the US.

In 1880 he is a 23yr old Prisoner in Pottsville County Jail, Shuylkill.
He's been unemployed for 1 month in the past year. I am on the PAShuylkill
List and it has been suggested that he may have been itinerant hence being
in prison. Subsequent census pages show him to be a married man with family
and a coal miner. From the 1900 it would appear that he arrived in 1878 but
I haven't been able to find any passenger list entries for a Robert WOOLLAM
- although I wonder if he had a rich Welsh accent whether the name was
mis-transcribed.

And so to my question - I have no experience of naturalization records and
so have no idea the kind of information they contain. If I could obtain a
copy of his naturalization papers would that give me any information about
his life in England, in particular his parentage or place of birth (other
than just England).

I had hoped that the marriage entry for Robert to Annie would provide me
with his father's name (UK ones do) but have been told that US marriage
certs don't contain that kind of information.

I can't think of anywhere else that might have the information that would
confirm whether he's my Robert or not. (There is another Robert in the US
of the same time frame but he's a butler in New York - I think the coal
miner is by far the better option bearing in mind his and his father's
occupation!)

Many thanks
Mandy Whitham (Cumbria, UK)

Hmmm, I see a Robert Woollam in the 1900 US Census.

Is this Robert part of your direct line ?

Surname GivenName Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year
WOOLLAM ROBERT 44 M W ENGLAND PA SCHUYLKILL 4-WD SHENANDOAH 1900

With two kids, James & Elizabeth. I can't make out the wife's name.

Also, you might check to see if your local library has this book:

Second Stages in Researching Welsh Ancestry
Edited by John & Sheila Rowlands. Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
1999.xiv,348 pgs. Charts, illustrations, index, maps. Softcover. 7"x 9".

good luck,

Jonathan

Rima Hawkins

Re: Robert WOOLLAM of North Wales - Pennsylvania

Legg inn av Rima Hawkins » 28 des 2006 04:20:00

"Mandy Whitham" <mwhitham@onetel.net> wrote in message

news:mailman.259.1167206043.30800.alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com...
I am researching the Woollam family of North Wales/Cheshire and have "lost"
a son!

And so to my question - I have no experience of naturalization records and
so have no idea the kind of information they contain. If I could obtain a
copy of his naturalization papers would that give me any information about
his life in England, in particular his parentage or place of birth (other
than just England).

I had hoped that the marriage entry for Robert to Annie would provide me
with his father's name (UK ones do) but have been told that US marriage
certs don't contain that kind of information.

I can't think of anywhere else that might have the information that would
confirm whether he's my Robert or not. (There is another Robert in the US
of the same time frame but he's a butler in New York - I think the coal
miner is by far the better option bearing in mind his and his father's
occupation!)

Many thanks

Mandy Whitham (Cumbria, UK)



I've found that the information on marriage and naturalization records
varies greatly depending on when and where the records were created. You
often have to request a copy of the record to find out if it's of any use to
you. Death records sometimes mention the place of birth and/or the
decedent's mother's maiden name. I would suggest trying to get any
available records you can -- even if Pennsylvania marriage records don't
usually mention parents or place of birth (I don't know whether they do),
you might get lucky and get one where that information was added.
--
Rima Hawkins
"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (Walt Kelly)

singhals

Re: Robert WOOLLAM of North Wales - Pennsylvania

Legg inn av singhals » 28 des 2006 16:28:53

Mandy Whitham wrote:

I am researching the Woollam family of North Wales/Cheshire and have "lost"
a son!

The family are living in Gwersyllt, Denbighshire, Wales - the parents were
William & Elizabeth Woollam (nee Youd) - they used to be the publican's at
the Red Lion for quite some time but William is also shown as being a coal
miner.

William & Elizabeth had several children, amongst them a son Robert born
c1857. He's at home with the family on the 1871 Wales Census - a coal miner
(his birth place is listed as Farndon, Cheshire) but he disappears after
that. However. a Robert Woollam, birth place England in 1857, appears in
the US.

In 1880 he is a 23yr old Prisoner in Pottsville County Jail, Shuylkill.
He's been unemployed for 1 month in the past year. I am on the PAShuylkill
List and it has been suggested that he may have been itinerant hence being
in prison. Subsequent census pages show him to be a married man with family
and a coal miner. From the 1900 it would appear that he arrived in 1878 but
I haven't been able to find any passenger list entries for a Robert WOOLLAM
- although I wonder if he had a rich Welsh accent whether the name was
mis-transcribed.

And so to my question - I have no experience of naturalization records and
so have no idea the kind of information they contain. If I could obtain a
copy of his naturalization papers would that give me any information about
his life in England, in particular his parentage or place of birth (other
than just England).


What you want is the First Paper -- the Declaration of
Intent; if that information is in the naturalization files,
this will be the paper it's on. It may not be there -- some
declarers were more forthcoming than others, but none of 'em
put down anything more than the bare minimum locally
required. I noticed in some NYC files that Italians had to
fill in a lot more info than the English/Scots/Irish.

I had hoped that the marriage entry for Robert to Annie would provide me
with his father's name (UK ones do) but have been told that US marriage
certs don't contain that kind of information.


Certificates generally don't, but marriage license
applications often have it. Those are kept locally by
county, so the trick is finding the right county. Note
though that Pennsylvania marriage licenses begin ca 1895.
Prior to that, the church record is all there is and they
most often do not contain that degree of information.

I can't think of anywhere else that might have the information that would
confirm whether he's my Robert or not. (There is another Robert in the US
of the same time frame but he's a butler in New York - I think the coal
miner is by far the better option bearing in mind his and his father's
occupation!)

Try Woolum, Woolam, Wullum ... and visit the usgenweb site
for the county, not use the mail-list. Some counties have
newspaper extracts on line. (Check the LDS film catalog to
see if there is anything useful there under newspapers.)

HTH

Cheryl

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