A very curious situation

Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper

Svar
clifto

A very curious situation

Legg inn av clifto » 25 nov 2006 07:14:58

This all started at
<http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=swla2002&id=I107321>
(if that doesn't get you Jesse Jenkins, go to
<http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi> and ask for Jesse Jenkins,
b. Louisiana 1856). Jesse is said to have had two wives, Delia and Lizzie.

I found them at 1900 census series T623, roll 585, second page 228, for
Washington Parish ward 1. Lizzie is said there to have cranked out 7 kids
in 13 years. 9 kids are shown. Note that two of them are born two months
apart, Rosa in May 1888 and Willie in July 1888; I'm presuming Lizzie
didn't bear them both.

Any guesses about what was going on here?

--
"A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and
woods, but it is a principle; and patriotism is loyalty to that principle."
-- George William Curtis

Anne Chambers

Re: A very curious situation

Legg inn av Anne Chambers » 25 nov 2006 07:40:04

clifto wrote:
This all started at
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bi ... id=I107321
(if that doesn't get you Jesse Jenkins, go to
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi> and ask for Jesse Jenkins,
b. Louisiana 1856). Jesse is said to have had two wives, Delia and Lizzie.

I found them at 1900 census series T623, roll 585, second page 228, for
Washington Parish ward 1. Lizzie is said there to have cranked out 7 kids
in 13 years. 9 kids are shown. Note that two of them are born two months
apart, Rosa in May 1888 and Willie in July 1888; I'm presuming Lizzie
didn't bear them both.

Any guesses about what was going on here?

why not contact the ownner of the tree to find out ?


--
Anne Chambers, South Australia

clifto

Re: A very curious situation

Legg inn av clifto » 25 nov 2006 08:00:21

Anne Chambers wrote:
clifto wrote:
Any guesses about what was going on here?

why not contact the ownner of the tree to find out ?

I suppose I should try. I've had an incredible rate of unanswered e-mails
regarding things genealogical; so far only two people have returned my
contact. Then again, he doesn't list Rosa and might not even know about it.

--
"A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and
woods, but it is a principle; and patriotism is loyalty to that principle."
-- George William Curtis

singhals

Re: A very curious situation

Legg inn av singhals » 25 nov 2006 17:12:35

clifto wrote:

This all started at
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bi ... id=I107321
(if that doesn't get you Jesse Jenkins, go to
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi> and ask for Jesse Jenkins,
b. Louisiana 1856). Jesse is said to have had two wives, Delia and Lizzie.

I found them at 1900 census series T623, roll 585, second page 228, for
Washington Parish ward 1. Lizzie is said there to have cranked out 7 kids
in 13 years. 9 kids are shown. Note that two of them are born two months
apart, Rosa in May 1888 and Willie in July 1888; I'm presuming Lizzie
didn't bear them both.

Any guesses about what was going on here?



(g) You _sure_ you want to know?

Cheryl

Charani

Re: A very curious situation

Legg inn av Charani » 25 nov 2006 17:55:11

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 01:00:21 -0600, clifto wrote:

I've had an incredible rate of unanswered e-mails
regarding things genealogical; so far only two people have returned my
contact.

I had a mail in reply to one I sent just over a year ago. I've
replied but I'm not expecting a reply until December of next year <G>
--
http://home.comcast.net/~webact1/Collingridge/

The Cranky Genee

Re: A very curious situation

Legg inn av The Cranky Genee » 25 nov 2006 18:11:39

The youngest child Amelia is 5/12.
She is 5 months, not 5 years.

The Cranky Genee


This all started at
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bi ... id=I107321
(if that doesn't get you Jesse Jenkins, go to
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi> and ask for Jesse Jenkins,
b. Louisiana 1856). Jesse is said to have had two wives, Delia and Lizzie.

I found them at 1900 census series T623, roll 585, second page 228, for
Washington Parish ward 1. Lizzie is said there to have cranked out 7 kids
in 13 years. 9 kids are shown. Note that two of them are born two months
apart, Rosa in May 1888 and Willie in July 1888; I'm presuming Lizzie
didn't bear them both.

Any guesses about what was going on here?

--
"A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and
woods, but it is a principle; and patriotism is loyalty to that principle."
-- George William Curtis

The Cranky Genee

Re: A very curious situation

Legg inn av The Cranky Genee » 25 nov 2006 18:18:37

Ooops, my mistake. I seewhat you are referring to now.
Someone made a misake about the year.
Must have been a lot of confusion that day.

The Cranky Genee

This all started at
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bi ... id=I107321
(if that doesn't get you Jesse Jenkins, go to
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi> and ask for Jesse Jenkins,
b. Louisiana 1856). Jesse is said to have had two wives, Delia and Lizzie.

I found them at 1900 census series T623, roll 585, second page 228, for
Washington Parish ward 1. Lizzie is said there to have cranked out 7 kids
in 13 years. 9 kids are shown. Note that two of them are born two months
apart, Rosa in May 1888 and Willie in July 1888; I'm presuming Lizzie
didn't bear them both.

Any guesses about what was going on here?

--
"A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and
woods, but it is a principle; and patriotism is loyalty to that principle."
-- George William Curtis

Huntersglenn

Re: A very curious situation

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 25 nov 2006 19:37:45

clifto wrote:

This all started at
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bi ... id=I107321
(if that doesn't get you Jesse Jenkins, go to
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi> and ask for Jesse Jenkins,
b. Louisiana 1856). Jesse is said to have had two wives, Delia and Lizzie.

I found them at 1900 census series T623, roll 585, second page 228, for
Washington Parish ward 1. Lizzie is said there to have cranked out 7 kids
in 13 years. 9 kids are shown. Note that two of them are born two months
apart, Rosa in May 1888 and Willie in July 1888; I'm presuming Lizzie
didn't bear them both.

Any guesses about what was going on here?


The world connect information does indicate that it's not known exactly
when Delia died and when Jesse and Lizzie were wed. If Lizzie only gave
birth to 7 children, then the two oldest children would logically belong
to Delia and not Lizzie. My guess is that Willie's birth year is
incorrect, and that Jesse and Lizzie were wed shortly after Delia's
death. the only problem with that is that is doesn't match up with
Jesse and Lizzie being married for 13 years as of the 1900 census, but
that could be wrong, too.

Have you checked later census records to see if the years married
changes, or the ages of Rosa and Willie change (provided they're not
married and moved out or dead by the 1910 census)?

Cathy

clifto

Re: A very curious situation

Legg inn av clifto » 25 nov 2006 19:40:13

singhals wrote:
clifto wrote:
Any guesses about what was going on here?

(g) You _sure_ you want to know?

Right now it doesn't matter, because I don't yet know whether Delia Sharp
fits into my lineage. Might be Delia Sharp from Utah. :)

--
"A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and
woods, but it is a principle; and patriotism is loyalty to that principle."
-- George William Curtis

clifto

Re: A very curious situation

Legg inn av clifto » 26 nov 2006 08:21:40

Huntersglenn wrote:
clifto wrote:
I found them at 1900 census series T623, roll 585, second page 228, for
Washington Parish ward 1. Lizzie is said there to have cranked out 7 kids
in 13 years. 9 kids are shown. Note that two of them are born two months
apart, Rosa in May 1888 and Willie in July 1888; I'm presuming Lizzie
didn't bear them both.

The world connect information does indicate that it's not known exactly
when Delia died and when Jesse and Lizzie were wed. If Lizzie only gave
birth to 7 children, then the two oldest children would logically belong
to Delia and not Lizzie. My guess is that Willie's birth year is
incorrect, and that Jesse and Lizzie were wed shortly after Delia's
death. the only problem with that is that is doesn't match up with
Jesse and Lizzie being married for 13 years as of the 1900 census, but
that could be wrong, too.

Have you checked later census records to see if the years married
changes, or the ages of Rosa and Willie change (provided they're not
married and moved out or dead by the 1910 census)?

1910 series T624, roll 534, page 16. Both Rosa and Willie are gone.
Lizzie is 26 years older than she was in 1900, and years married went
from 13 to 20. I'm beginning to distrust 1910 census ages for other
reasons, but this is the silliest I've seen yet.

There's a Rosa L. a few pages before this, age 24, married 8 years with
three kids. That's a big maybe, even if families in this time and place
generally didn't move far from the parents.

--
"A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and
woods, but it is a principle; and patriotism is loyalty to that principle."
-- George William Curtis

The Cranky Genee

Re: A very curious situation

Legg inn av The Cranky Genee » 26 nov 2006 12:26:47

I'm going to give this another try. I see on the Family History site
a Delia Sharp married to Jesse Jenkins im 1884. She and Jessie had a
son WIlliam Willie Jenkins in 1886. Delia died in March 1888.
http://www.familysearch.org/

The Cranky Genee




On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 01:21:40 -0600, clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote

Huntersglenn wrote:
clifto wrote:
I found them at 1900 census series T623, roll 585, second page 228, for
Washington Parish ward 1. Lizzie is said there to have cranked out 7 kids
in 13 years. 9 kids are shown. Note that two of them are born two months
apart, Rosa in May 1888 and Willie in July 1888; I'm presuming Lizzie
didn't bear them both.

The world connect information does indicate that it's not known exactly
when Delia died and when Jesse and Lizzie were wed. If Lizzie only gave
birth to 7 children, then the two oldest children would logically belong
to Delia and not Lizzie. My guess is that Willie's birth year is
incorrect, and that Jesse and Lizzie were wed shortly after Delia's
death. the only problem with that is that is doesn't match up with
Jesse and Lizzie being married for 13 years as of the 1900 census, but
that could be wrong, too.

Have you checked later census records to see if the years married
changes, or the ages of Rosa and Willie change (provided they're not
married and moved out or dead by the 1910 census)?

1910 series T624, roll 534, page 16. Both Rosa and Willie are gone.
Lizzie is 26 years older than she was in 1900, and years married went
from 13 to 20. I'm beginning to distrust 1910 census ages for other
reasons, but this is the silliest I've seen yet.

There's a Rosa L. a few pages before this, age 24, married 8 years with
three kids. That's a big maybe, even if families in this time and place
generally didn't move far from the parents.

--
"A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and
woods, but it is a principle; and patriotism is loyalty to that principle."
-- George William Curtis

clifto

Re: A very curious situation

Legg inn av clifto » 27 nov 2006 07:10:05

The Cranky Genee wrote:
I'm going to give this another try. I see on the Family History site
a Delia Sharp married to Jesse Jenkins im 1884. She and Jessie had a
son WIlliam Willie Jenkins in 1886. Delia died in March 1888.
http://www.familysearch.org/

Hm. The one I found says d. 14 Jul 1888. But it still doesn't help the
confusion at hand, since Rosa was born in May 1888 and Willie was born
in July 1888. Delia couldn't have had twins two months apart, and anyway
Willie is attributed to Lizzie. That means Jesse was making babies with
Lizzie around Oct 1887, while presumably married to Delia.

And on top of that, it looks like Jesse's dad Wm. Thomas might have had
something similar going on.
<http://www.angelfire.com/al2/dykes/JenkinsFamilyLine.html>
Wm Thomas and Evaline Sharp divorced in 1865, but it looks like Wm Thomas
and Harriett made two babies before the divorce. (I have a feeling this
last one is a matter of some wrong dates, though.)

--
"A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and
woods, but it is a principle; and patriotism is loyalty to that principle."
-- George William Curtis

Paulette Smith

Re: A very curious situation

Legg inn av Paulette Smith » 27 nov 2006 16:36:00

As far as the children two months apart: I had a similar situation and it
was where a women died in childbirth and her sister raised her children with
her own. The census takers are notorious for making a lot of silly mistakes
(or the person giving the information was drunk!) such as identifying a
Donald as female even though he was a steamfitter.

Paulette

"clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3k3l34-f4s.ln1@remote.clifto.com...
This all started at
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bi ... id=I107321
(if that doesn't get you Jesse Jenkins, go to
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi> and ask for Jesse
Jenkins,
b. Louisiana 1856). Jesse is said to have had two wives, Delia and Lizzie.

I found them at 1900 census series T623, roll 585, second page 228, for
Washington Parish ward 1. Lizzie is said there to have cranked out 7 kids
in 13 years. 9 kids are shown. Note that two of them are born two months
apart, Rosa in May 1888 and Willie in July 1888; I'm presuming Lizzie
didn't bear them both.

Any guesses about what was going on here?

--
"A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and
woods, but it is a principle; and patriotism is loyalty to that
principle."
-- George William Curtis

Svar

Gå tilbake til «alt.genealogy»