I have a relative who was born in 1870 and died in 1943. So he was 73
when he died. He was certainly old enough to be receiving benefits. I
have his SS number from his death certificate. I can not find him
either by his name or by his SS# in the index. Any suggestions?
Social Security Index
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Dennis K.
Re: Social Security Index
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:05:10 -0800, george <abc@b.com> wrote:
Send a Freedom of Information Act request to the SS Administration and
ask for his SS-5. The last I checked it cost $27.
See http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm.
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Dennis K.
I have a relative who was born in 1870 and died in 1943. So he was 73
when he died. He was certainly old enough to be receiving benefits. I
have his SS number from his death certificate. I can not find him
either by his name or by his SS# in the index. Any suggestions?
Send a Freedom of Information Act request to the SS Administration and
ask for his SS-5. The last I checked it cost $27.
See http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm.
--
Dennis K.
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James A. Doemer
Re: Social Security Index
In News kslbl2p5f8397tp0j7sjj3oj8p1122tuo1@4ax.com,, george at abc@b.com,
typed this:
You might try calling your local Social Security office to see if they have
someone or could direct you to someone that can answer your question.
typed this:
I have a relative who was born in 1870 and died in 1943. So he was 73
when he died. He was certainly old enough to be receiving benefits. I
have his SS number from his death certificate. I can not find him
either by his name or by his SS# in the index. Any suggestions?
You might try calling your local Social Security office to see if they have
someone or could direct you to someone that can answer your question.
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Huntersglenn
Re: Social Security Index
Quit looking. You won't find people in the Death Index if they died
prior to 1962 (there are a few individuals, see below).
Depending on what information you're looking for, you can request a copy
of his application for this Social Security card, which should give you
the names of his parents and where he was living at the time he applied.
This is from the Social Security Administration's web site:
You might want to start by checking out the Social Security Death
Index which is available online from a variety of commercial services
(usually the search is free). The Death Index contains a listing of
persons who had a Social Security number, who are deceased, and whose
death was reported to the Social Security Administration. (The
information in the Death Index for people who died prior to 1962 is
sketchy since SSA's death information was not automated before that
date. Death information for persons who died before 1962 is generally
only in the Death Index if the death was actually reported to SSA after
1962, even though the death occurred prior to that year.)
If you find a person in the Death Index you will learn the date of birth
and Social Security Number for that person. (The Social Security Death
Index is not published by SSA for public use, but is made available by
commercial entities using information from SSA records. We do not offer
support of these commercial products nor can we answer questions about
the material in the Death Index.)
Other records potentially available from SSA include the Application for
a Social Security Number (form SS-5).
*************************************
Hope that helps,
Cathy
george wrote:
prior to 1962 (there are a few individuals, see below).
Depending on what information you're looking for, you can request a copy
of his application for this Social Security card, which should give you
the names of his parents and where he was living at the time he applied.
This is from the Social Security Administration's web site:
You might want to start by checking out the Social Security Death
Index which is available online from a variety of commercial services
(usually the search is free). The Death Index contains a listing of
persons who had a Social Security number, who are deceased, and whose
death was reported to the Social Security Administration. (The
information in the Death Index for people who died prior to 1962 is
sketchy since SSA's death information was not automated before that
date. Death information for persons who died before 1962 is generally
only in the Death Index if the death was actually reported to SSA after
1962, even though the death occurred prior to that year.)
If you find a person in the Death Index you will learn the date of birth
and Social Security Number for that person. (The Social Security Death
Index is not published by SSA for public use, but is made available by
commercial entities using information from SSA records. We do not offer
support of these commercial products nor can we answer questions about
the material in the Death Index.)
Other records potentially available from SSA include the Application for
a Social Security Number (form SS-5).
*************************************
Hope that helps,
Cathy
george wrote:
I have a relative who was born in 1870 and died in 1943. So he was 73
when he died. He was certainly old enough to be receiving benefits. I
have his SS number from his death certificate. I can not find him
either by his name or by his SS# in the index. Any suggestions?
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jj206
Re: Social Security Index
Huntersglenn wrote:
Hmmmmm, that is odd. I searched the SSDI for John Smith and found an
entry for a guy who died in 1961 and one who died in 1951.
JOHN SMITH 07 Aug 1885 Jul 1961 (not specified) (none specified)
023-28-5215 Massachusetts
JOHN SMITH 17 Jun 1899 Dec 1956 (not specified) (none specified)
048-20-7468 Connecticut
JOHN SMITH 07 Feb 1919 Mar 1956 (not specified) (none specified)
050-12-3942 New York
JOHN SMITH 19 Jun 1903 Oct 1955 (not specified) (none specified)
051-03-7242 New York
JOHN SMITH 25 Dec 1912 Oct 1951 91607 (Valley Village, Los Angeles,
CA) (none specified) 030-03-7543 Massachusetts
So, 1943 is a long stretch beyond 1951, but just wanted to put this info
out in case someone has a relative who died in the late 1950's. Another
thing to try is search for initials or to try searching misspellings of
the names you are looking for.
good luck,
Jonathan
Quit looking. You won't find people in the Death Index if they died
prior to 1962 (there are a few individuals, see below).
Depending on what information you're looking for, you can request a copy
of his application for this Social Security card, which should give you
the names of his parents and where he was living at the time he applied.
This is from the Social Security Administration's web site:
You might want to start by checking out the Social Security Death Index
which is available online from a variety of commercial services (usually
the search is free). The Death Index contains a listing of persons who
had a Social Security number, who are deceased, and whose death was
reported to the Social Security Administration. (The information in the
Death Index for people who died prior to 1962 is sketchy since SSA's
death information was not automated before that date. Death information
for persons who died before 1962 is generally only in the Death Index if
the death was actually reported to SSA after 1962, even though the death
occurred prior to that year.)
If you find a person in the Death Index you will learn the date of birth
and Social Security Number for that person. (The Social Security Death
Index is not published by SSA for public use, but is made available by
commercial entities using information from SSA records. We do not offer
support of these commercial products nor can we answer questions about
the material in the Death Index.)
Other records potentially available from SSA include the Application for
a Social Security Number (form SS-5).
*************************************
Hope that helps,
Cathy
george wrote:
I have a relative who was born in 1870 and died in 1943. So he was 73
when he died. He was certainly old enough to be receiving benefits. I
have his SS number from his death certificate. I can not find him
either by his name or by his SS# in the index. Any suggestions?
Hmmmmm, that is odd. I searched the SSDI for John Smith and found an
entry for a guy who died in 1961 and one who died in 1951.
JOHN SMITH 07 Aug 1885 Jul 1961 (not specified) (none specified)
023-28-5215 Massachusetts
JOHN SMITH 17 Jun 1899 Dec 1956 (not specified) (none specified)
048-20-7468 Connecticut
JOHN SMITH 07 Feb 1919 Mar 1956 (not specified) (none specified)
050-12-3942 New York
JOHN SMITH 19 Jun 1903 Oct 1955 (not specified) (none specified)
051-03-7242 New York
JOHN SMITH 25 Dec 1912 Oct 1951 91607 (Valley Village, Los Angeles,
CA) (none specified) 030-03-7543 Massachusetts
So, 1943 is a long stretch beyond 1951, but just wanted to put this info
out in case someone has a relative who died in the late 1950's. Another
thing to try is search for initials or to try searching misspellings of
the names you are looking for.
good luck,
Jonathan
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singhals
Re: Social Security Index
george wrote:
The SSDI was started in Oct 1962.
For the first 10 years or so, it didn't cover *everyone*
The names of persons who died prior to 1962 were to be added
by employees on a "as time permits" basis.
Anyone you find on the SSDI who died prior to 1962 is
_more_likely_ to have been the predecessor of someone who
died in the 1990s than to be a late-entry.
IF he was a farmer, he probably didn't even have a social
security number, because farmers were exempt from both FICA
and benefits until sometime in the 1970s.
Then, there's the under-10-in-1880 snafu. If he were born
in early 1870, he'd not be under-10 in 1880 and I believe
that was the cut-off for initial eligibility.
So, bottom line, as Cathy says, quit looking.
Cheryl
I have a relative who was born in 1870 and died in 1943. So he was 73
when he died. He was certainly old enough to be receiving benefits. I
have his SS number from his death certificate. I can not find him
either by his name or by his SS# in the index. Any suggestions?
The SSDI was started in Oct 1962.
For the first 10 years or so, it didn't cover *everyone*
The names of persons who died prior to 1962 were to be added
by employees on a "as time permits" basis.
Anyone you find on the SSDI who died prior to 1962 is
_more_likely_ to have been the predecessor of someone who
died in the 1990s than to be a late-entry.
IF he was a farmer, he probably didn't even have a social
security number, because farmers were exempt from both FICA
and benefits until sometime in the 1970s.
Then, there's the under-10-in-1880 snafu. If he were born
in early 1870, he'd not be under-10 in 1880 and I believe
that was the cut-off for initial eligibility.
So, bottom line, as Cathy says, quit looking.
Cheryl
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george
Re: Social Security Index
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:08:14 -0500, Huntersglenn
<huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote:
<huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote:
Quit looking. You won't find people in the Death Index if they died
prior to 1962 (there are a few individuals, see below).
Thanks for the reply. I learned something new. I will stop looking.
Depending on what information you're looking for, you can request a copy
of his application for this Social Security card, which should give you
the names of his parents and where he was living at the time he applied.
This is from the Social Security Administration's web site:
You might want to start by checking out the Social Security Death
Index which is available online from a variety of commercial services
(usually the search is free). The Death Index contains a listing of
persons who had a Social Security number, who are deceased, and whose
death was reported to the Social Security Administration. (The
information in the Death Index for people who died prior to 1962 is
sketchy since SSA's death information was not automated before that
date. Death information for persons who died before 1962 is generally
only in the Death Index if the death was actually reported to SSA after
1962, even though the death occurred prior to that year.)
If you find a person in the Death Index you will learn the date of birth
and Social Security Number for that person. (The Social Security Death
Index is not published by SSA for public use, but is made available by
commercial entities using information from SSA records. We do not offer
support of these commercial products nor can we answer questions about
the material in the Death Index.)
Other records potentially available from SSA include the Application for
a Social Security Number (form SS-5).
*************************************
Hope that helps,
Cathy
george wrote:
I have a relative who was born in 1870 and died in 1943. So he was 73
when he died. He was certainly old enough to be receiving benefits. I
have his SS number from his death certificate. I can not find him
either by his name or by his SS# in the index. Any suggestions?
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Huntersglenn
Re: Social Security Index
george wrote:
Since you have his date of death, you can find out from the Social
Security Administration if you're able to report his death. If so, then
he'll be added to the index. I'm not sure of their rules for that - if
it has to be a direct relative, or if anyone with proven knowledge of
the death (you stated that you have a copy of his death certificate) can
report it.
I spent a long time going from each of the online versions of the SSDI,
looking for my grandfather, because all I knew on him was that he died
in the mid-1950s, and I hoped the index would have a more exact date.
Then I learned that nearly all of the pre-1962 deaths aren't in there -
sigh. You could still try an alternate spelling of his man's name, but
odds are that he's not listed at all.
Cathy
Thanks for the reply. I learned something new. I will stop looking.
Since you have his date of death, you can find out from the Social
Security Administration if you're able to report his death. If so, then
he'll be added to the index. I'm not sure of their rules for that - if
it has to be a direct relative, or if anyone with proven knowledge of
the death (you stated that you have a copy of his death certificate) can
report it.
I spent a long time going from each of the online versions of the SSDI,
looking for my grandfather, because all I knew on him was that he died
in the mid-1950s, and I hoped the index would have a more exact date.
Then I learned that nearly all of the pre-1962 deaths aren't in there -
sigh. You could still try an alternate spelling of his man's name, but
odds are that he's not listed at all.
Cathy