Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
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Ann
Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
Atlanticus Washington SPECK was born in Pennsylvania in 1845. I do not
know in which town/city he was borm. His parents and several older
siblings sailed from London to New York,New York on the ship 'Pallas'
arriving in September 1844. I can't find records of their departure
from USA so don't know which year they returned but they are back in
England by the time of the 1851 census.
Would like to purchase copy his birth record. I have no idea why they
all went to the USA in the frist place. Hoping some kind soul can
help.
Regards. Ann, in Australia.
know in which town/city he was borm. His parents and several older
siblings sailed from London to New York,New York on the ship 'Pallas'
arriving in September 1844. I can't find records of their departure
from USA so don't know which year they returned but they are back in
England by the time of the 1851 census.
Would like to purchase copy his birth record. I have no idea why they
all went to the USA in the frist place. Hoping some kind soul can
help.
Regards. Ann, in Australia.
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sylak
Re: Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
Ann:
Check the web site under State of Pennsylvania; Vital Statistics. You can
request a form that you can fill out with the information you have and
return it to them. There is a flat fee but it may be more if they need to do
extensive looking. Keep in mind it is possible that there is no record of
birth as many home deliveries were never recorded.
Raymond
"Ann" <tristar@mydesk.net.au> wrote in message
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Check the web site under State of Pennsylvania; Vital Statistics. You can
request a form that you can fill out with the information you have and
return it to them. There is a flat fee but it may be more if they need to do
extensive looking. Keep in mind it is possible that there is no record of
birth as many home deliveries were never recorded.
Raymond
"Ann" <tristar@mydesk.net.au> wrote in message
news:1163239793.373662.218650@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Atlanticus Washington SPECK was born in Pennsylvania in 1845. I do not
know in which town/city he was borm. His parents and several older
siblings sailed from London to New York,New York on the ship 'Pallas'
arriving in September 1844. I can't find records of their departure
from USA so don't know which year they returned but they are back in
England by the time of the 1851 census.
Would like to purchase copy his birth record. I have no idea why they
all went to the USA in the frist place. Hoping some kind soul can
help.
Regards. Ann, in Australia.
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Dennis K.
Re: Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
On 11 Nov 2006 02:09:53 -0800, "Ann" <tristar@mydesk.net.au> wrote:
Have you checked the 1850 US census? What were his parents names?
I doubt if you'll find a civil birth record for him in 1845. Most states
didn't require them until about 1908. If you knew where the family lived
in PA there might be a chance of finding a church record.
--
Dennis K.
Atlanticus Washington SPECK was born in Pennsylvania in 1845. I do not
know in which town/city he was borm. His parents and several older
siblings sailed from London to New York,New York on the ship 'Pallas'
arriving in September 1844. I can't find records of their departure
from USA so don't know which year they returned but they are back in
England by the time of the 1851 census.
Have you checked the 1850 US census? What were his parents names?
Would like to purchase copy his birth record. I have no idea why they
all went to the USA in the frist place. Hoping some kind soul can
help.
I doubt if you'll find a civil birth record for him in 1845. Most states
didn't require them until about 1908. If you knew where the family lived
in PA there might be a chance of finding a church record.
--
Dennis K.
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Ann
Re: Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
Raymond, Many thanks for your reply. I'm new with this list and not
sure if I am replying via the correct procedure. I will look for the
form you recommend and send it off.
Thanks again.
Ann
sylak wrote:
sure if I am replying via the correct procedure. I will look for the
form you recommend and send it off.
Thanks again.
Ann
sylak wrote:
Ann:
Check the web site under State of Pennsylvania; Vital Statistics. You can
request a form that you can fill out with the information you have and
return it to them. There is a flat fee but it may be more if they need to do
extensive looking. Keep in mind it is possible that there is no record of
birth as many home deliveries were never recorded.
Raymond
"Ann" <tristar@mydesk.net.au> wrote in message
news:1163239793.373662.218650@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Atlanticus Washington SPECK was born in Pennsylvania in 1845. I do not
know in which town/city he was borm. His parents and several older
siblings sailed from London to New York,New York on the ship 'Pallas'
arriving in September 1844. I can't find records of their departure
from USA so don't know which year they returned but they are back in
England by the time of the 1851 census.
Would like to purchase copy his birth record. I have no idea why they
all went to the USA in the frist place. Hoping some kind soul can
help.
Regards. Ann, in Australia.
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Ann
Re: Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
Hi Dennis
Many thanks for your reply.
His parents were William (48yrs old in 1844) and Emily (20yrs in 1844).
If they show up in the US census they would also show his siblings
named William Henry, Thomas, Harriett, Ann Eliz, Frederick and Rose.
However, they were back in England for the 1851 UK Census . I do not
have access to the USA Census. I can not find a record of the
departure from the USA.
Thanking you for your help.
Ann (Australia)
Dennis K. wrote:
Many thanks for your reply.
His parents were William (48yrs old in 1844) and Emily (20yrs in 1844).
If they show up in the US census they would also show his siblings
named William Henry, Thomas, Harriett, Ann Eliz, Frederick and Rose.
However, they were back in England for the 1851 UK Census . I do not
have access to the USA Census. I can not find a record of the
departure from the USA.
Thanking you for your help.
Ann (Australia)
Dennis K. wrote:
On 11 Nov 2006 02:09:53 -0800, "Ann" <tristar@mydesk.net.au> wrote:
Atlanticus Washington SPECK was born in Pennsylvania in 1845. I do not
know in which town/city he was borm. His parents and several older
siblings sailed from London to New York,New York on the ship 'Pallas'
arriving in September 1844. I can't find records of their departure
from USA so don't know which year they returned but they are back in
England by the time of the 1851 census.
Have you checked the 1850 US census? What were his parents names?
Would like to purchase copy his birth record. I have no idea why they
all went to the USA in the frist place. Hoping some kind soul can
help.
I doubt if you'll find a civil birth record for him in 1845. Most states
didn't require them until about 1908. If you knew where the family lived
in PA there might be a chance of finding a church record.
--
Dennis K.
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Dennis K.
Re: Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
On 12 Nov 2006 00:27:43 -0800, "Ann" <tristar@mydesk.net.au> wrote:
I couldn't find them. Then again, if they were not American citizens,
they probably wouldn't have been enumerated.
Good luck!
--
Dennis K.
If they show up in the US census they would also show his siblings
named William Henry, Thomas, Harriett, Ann Eliz, Frederick and Rose.
However, they were back in England for the 1851 UK Census . I do not
have access to the USA Census.
I couldn't find them. Then again, if they were not American citizens,
they probably wouldn't have been enumerated.
Good luck!
--
Dennis K.
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Alida Spry
Re: Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
"Dennis K." <nobody@iglou.invalid> wrote in message
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I'm pretty sure that all individuals were enumerated regardless of their
citizenship status. I have many immigrant ancestors whom I've found on the
census records which indicate whether they were born in the US, if not then
they were asked it they were naturalized or still an alien or their papers
were still pending approval.
Alida
Alida
news:u27el25chsj80a6d1bn9k80mheegcn7nml@4ax.com...
On 12 Nov 2006 00:27:43 -0800, "Ann" <tristar@mydesk.net.au> wrote:
If they show up in the US census they would also show his siblings
named William Henry, Thomas, Harriett, Ann Eliz, Frederick and Rose.
However, they were back in England for the 1851 UK Census . I do not
have access to the USA Census.
I couldn't find them. Then again, if they were not American citizens,
they probably wouldn't have been enumerated.
Good luck!
--
Dennis K.
I'm pretty sure that all individuals were enumerated regardless of their
citizenship status. I have many immigrant ancestors whom I've found on the
census records which indicate whether they were born in the US, if not then
they were asked it they were naturalized or still an alien or their papers
were still pending approval.
Alida
Alida
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Gjest
Re: Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
I guess it depends on what you mean by birth records. Where I live in
Ontario, for example, there WAS no civil birth or death registration
prior to about 1867. Before that, its strictly religious records (i.e.
your birth would have been recorded only in church records at the time
of baptism. So there is nowhere you can write to get a civil "birth
certificate" for someone born here prior to the 1860's because such a
thing did not exist back then. I suspect many states were the same.
You would need to know what church they were a member of (and
denomination) and be able to trace where the denomination's records
ended up. In Ontario, its quite convoluted, since many denominations
that existed 150 years ago, combined in various ways which makes it
hard to figure out where the records ended up (i.e. various Baptist and
Methodist sects combined to become the "United Church" while some
stayed independent etc.)
M
Ontario, for example, there WAS no civil birth or death registration
prior to about 1867. Before that, its strictly religious records (i.e.
your birth would have been recorded only in church records at the time
of baptism. So there is nowhere you can write to get a civil "birth
certificate" for someone born here prior to the 1860's because such a
thing did not exist back then. I suspect many states were the same.
You would need to know what church they were a member of (and
denomination) and be able to trace where the denomination's records
ended up. In Ontario, its quite convoluted, since many denominations
that existed 150 years ago, combined in various ways which makes it
hard to figure out where the records ended up (i.e. various Baptist and
Methodist sects combined to become the "United Church" while some
stayed independent etc.)
M
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Dennis K.
Re: Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 18:24:16 GMT, "Alida Spry" <a_spry@yahoo.com> wrote:
I know that is true in later censuses. But the 1850 census sheet does
not have a place for that information. If they also enumerated resident
aliens, did they count them for the purpose of re-apportioning seats in
the House of Representatives? It would seem odd if they did. Maybe
someone can chime in with a definitive answer as pertains to the 1850
census.
Then again, we probably need to establish what the citizenship rules
were in 1850 first.
--
Dennis K.
I'm pretty sure that all individuals were enumerated regardless of their
citizenship status. I have many immigrant ancestors whom I've found on the
census records which indicate whether they were born in the US, if not then
they were asked it they were naturalized or still an alien or their papers
were still pending approval.
I know that is true in later censuses. But the 1850 census sheet does
not have a place for that information. If they also enumerated resident
aliens, did they count them for the purpose of re-apportioning seats in
the House of Representatives? It would seem odd if they did. Maybe
someone can chime in with a definitive answer as pertains to the 1850
census.
Then again, we probably need to establish what the citizenship rules
were in 1850 first.
--
Dennis K.
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Huntersglenn
Re: Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
Dennis K. wrote:
English one, who was here before 1840, is in the 1840 Federal census as
well) who were not yet citizens as of the 1850 Federal census, and
they're enumerated. If this family isn't on there at all, then it's
either because they were overlooked, they were moving and between
cities/towns at the time, or they'd already left for England. It's not
known when they went back to England, just that they were there in time
for the English census of 1851.
Cathy
On 12 Nov 2006 00:27:43 -0800, "Ann" <tristar@mydesk.net.au> wrote:
If they show up in the US census they would also show his siblings
named William Henry, Thomas, Harriett, Ann Eliz, Frederick and Rose.
However, they were back in England for the 1851 UK Census . I do not
have access to the USA Census.
I couldn't find them. Then again, if they were not American citizens,
they probably wouldn't have been enumerated.
Good luck!
My husband has immigrant ancestors (from England and Prussia, the
English one, who was here before 1840, is in the 1840 Federal census as
well) who were not yet citizens as of the 1850 Federal census, and
they're enumerated. If this family isn't on there at all, then it's
either because they were overlooked, they were moving and between
cities/towns at the time, or they'd already left for England. It's not
known when they went back to England, just that they were there in time
for the English census of 1851.
Cathy
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Ann
Re: Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
Thanks again Dennis for going to all that trouble.
Cheers
Ann
Dennis K. wrote:
Cheers
Ann
Dennis K. wrote:
On 12 Nov 2006 00:27:43 -0800, "Ann" <tristar@mydesk.net.au> wrote:
If they show up in the US census they would also show his siblings
named William Henry, Thomas, Harriett, Ann Eliz, Frederick and Rose.
However, they were back in England for the 1851 UK Census . I do not
have access to the USA Census.
I couldn't find them. Then again, if they were not American citizens,
they probably wouldn't have been enumerated.
Good luck!
--
Dennis K.
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Ann
Re: Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
Hello Mary,
Many thanks for your adice.
I may just have to give up on this one.
Cheers
Ann
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org wrote:
Many thanks for your adice.
I may just have to give up on this one.
Cheers
Ann
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org wrote:
I guess it depends on what you mean by birth records. Where I live in
Ontario, for example, there WAS no civil birth or death registration
prior to about 1867. Before that, its strictly religious records (i.e.
your birth would have been recorded only in church records at the time
of baptism. So there is nowhere you can write to get a civil "birth
certificate" for someone born here prior to the 1860's because such a
thing did not exist back then. I suspect many states were the same.
You would need to know what church they were a member of (and
denomination) and be able to trace where the denomination's records
ended up. In Ontario, its quite convoluted, since many denominations
that existed 150 years ago, combined in various ways which makes it
hard to figure out where the records ended up (i.e. various Baptist and
Methodist sects combined to become the "United Church" while some
stayed independent etc.)
M
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milt
Re: Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
Ann wrote:
1845 is too early for a civil birth in PA.
You will have to search church records for a baptism.
Atlanticus Washington SPECK was born in Pennsylvania in 1845. I do not
know in which town/city he was borm. His parents and several older
siblings sailed from London to New York,New York on the ship 'Pallas'
arriving in September 1844. I can't find records of their departure
from USA so don't know which year they returned but they are back in
England by the time of the 1851 census.
Would like to purchase copy his birth record. I have no idea why they
all went to the USA in the frist place. Hoping some kind soul can
help.
Regards. Ann, in Australia.
1845 is too early for a civil birth in PA.
You will have to search church records for a baptism.
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milt
Re: Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
Ann wrote:
1845 is too early for a civil birth in PA.
You will have to search church records for a baptism.
Atlanticus Washington SPECK was born in Pennsylvania in 1845. I do not
know in which town/city he was borm. His parents and several older
siblings sailed from London to New York,New York on the ship 'Pallas'
arriving in September 1844. I can't find records of their departure
from USA so don't know which year they returned but they are back in
England by the time of the 1851 census.
Would like to purchase copy his birth record. I have no idea why they
all went to the USA in the frist place. Hoping some kind soul can
help.
Regards. Ann, in Australia.
1845 is too early for a civil birth in PA.
You will have to search church records for a baptism.
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milt
Re: Requesting help to find and pruchasse birth certificate
Ann wrote:
1845 is too early for a civil birth in PA.
You will have to search church records for a baptism.
Atlanticus Washington SPECK was born in Pennsylvania in 1845. I do not
know in which town/city he was borm. His parents and several older
siblings sailed from London to New York,New York on the ship 'Pallas'
arriving in September 1844. I can't find records of their departure
from USA so don't know which year they returned but they are back in
England by the time of the 1851 census.
Would like to purchase copy his birth record. I have no idea why they
all went to the USA in the frist place. Hoping some kind soul can
help.
Regards. Ann, in Australia.
1845 is too early for a civil birth in PA.
You will have to search church records for a baptism.