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Photon713

Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av Photon713 » 03 nov 2006 15:41:14

Morning, all...

I am considering purchasing a portable scanner. The one I am considering
is the DocuPen R700. I have encountered a number of instances when I
would like to have had a copy of pages or order slips. My local archive
charges .50 cents for each copy. I will be checking with the manufacturer
to see if it is possible to use this scanner to read/record microfilm images
directly
from the screen. Has anyone used a portable scanner for their research and
have
a recommendation on one?

I use two different scanners on my home system, each is to bulky to consider
lugging it around.

Regards...Bob

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bob

Re: Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av bob » 03 nov 2006 17:10:29

Photon713 wrote:

Morning, all...

I am considering purchasing a portable scanner. The one I am considering
is the DocuPen R700. I have encountered a number of instances when I
would like to have had a copy of pages or order slips. My local archive
charges .50 cents for each copy. I will be checking with the manufacturer
to see if it is possible to use this scanner to read/record microfilm images
directly
from the screen. Has anyone used a portable scanner for their research and
have
a recommendation on one?

I use two different scanners on my home system, each is to bulky to consider
lugging it around.

Regards...Bob

_________________
lvMMMCDLXXIX+1


I use a digital camera, fits in pocket and stores 200+ images


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Re: Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av David J Grimshaw » 03 nov 2006 19:18:34

Photon713 wrote:
Morning, all...

I am considering purchasing a portable scanner. The one I am considering
is the DocuPen R700. I have encountered a number of instances when I
would like to have had a copy of pages or order slips. My local archive
charges .50 cents for each copy. I will be checking with the manufacturer
to see if it is possible to use this scanner to read/record microfilm images
directly
from the screen. Has anyone used a portable scanner for their research and
have
a recommendation on one?

I use two different scanners on my home system, each is to bulky to consider
lugging it around.

Regards...Bob

_________________
lvMMMCDLXXIX+1


Hi,

If the records office allows you to use a digital camera or scanner
consider yourself lucky as most repositories do not allow this.
If they find you useing such a device and you have never asked if you
could use it, expect to be told not to use it again.
Most repositories would view the use of digital equipment by other than
staff for work prepossess a loss of income.
It may check with your local repository to see if they do actually allow
the use of digital capture devices by patrons.
David.

John Nichols

Re: Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av John Nichols » 03 nov 2006 20:59:15

"bob" <nemo@spambusters.com> wrote in message
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Photon713 wrote:

Morning, all...

I am considering purchasing a portable scanner. The one I am considering
is the DocuPen R700. I have encountered a number of instances when I
would like to have had a copy of pages or order slips. My local archive
charges .50 cents for each copy. I will be checking with the
manufacturer
to see if it is possible to use this scanner to read/record microfilm
images directly
from the screen. Has anyone used a portable scanner for their research
and have
a recommendation on one?

I use two different scanners on my home system, each is to bulky to
consider
lugging it around.

Regards...Bob

_________________
lvMMMCDLXXIX+1
I use a digital camera, fits in pocket and stores 200+ images

Here's the thing, sometimes you want to put that text write into whatever

you are using. A handheld scanner will allow you to do that.

I use a SuperPen, and have been very happy with it.

sylak

Re: Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av sylak » 04 nov 2006 00:10:42

I have used a portable scanner that was run off a usb connection in my
laptop. It wasn't the fastest but it worked well. I used it to copy photos
and documents at the homes of older folks who did not want to let thier
items out of their sight. I think it was a Canon. It got it's power through
the usb which simplified things a lot. I have never tried to copy microfilm.

Raymond


"Photon713" <bobrass@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Morning, all...

I am considering purchasing a portable scanner. The one I am considering
is the DocuPen R700. I have encountered a number of instances when I
would like to have had a copy of pages or order slips. My local archive
charges .50 cents for each copy. I will be checking with the manufacturer
to see if it is possible to use this scanner to read/record microfilm
images directly
from the screen. Has anyone used a portable scanner for their research
and have
a recommendation on one?

I use two different scanners on my home system, each is to bulky to
consider
lugging it around.

Regards...Bob

_________________
lvMMMCDLXXIX+1

Christopher Jahn

Re: Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 04 nov 2006 00:48:34

David J Grimshaw <hawke_eye_david@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
news:eig144$e53$1@lust.ihug.co.nz:

Photon713 wrote:
Morning, all...

I am considering purchasing a portable scanner. The one I am
considering is the DocuPen R700. I have encountered a number
of instances when I would like to have had a copy of pages or
order slips. My local archive charges .50 cents for each
copy. I will be checking with the manufacturer to see if it
is possible to use this scanner to read/record microfilm
images directly
from the screen. Has anyone used a portable scanner for
their research and have
a recommendation on one?

I use two different scanners on my home system, each is to
bulky to consider lugging it around.

Regards...Bob

_________________
lvMMMCDLXXIX+1


Hi,
If the records office allows you to use a digital camera or
scanner consider yourself lucky as most repositories do not
allow this. If they find you useing such a device and you have
never asked if you could use it, expect to be told not to use
it again. Most repositories would view the use of digital
equipment by other than staff for work prepossess a loss of
income. It may check with your local repository to see if they
do actually allow the use of digital capture devices by
patrons. David.

I have never had a problem when I've offered them copies of the
scanned images. Of course, these have always been public
services: libraries and historic societies.

--
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Before borrowing money from a friend, decide which you need more.

cecilia

Re: Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av cecilia » 04 nov 2006 03:42:05

Christopher Jahn <xjahn@yahoo.com> wrote:

David J Grimshaw <hawke_eye_david@yahoo.com.au> wrote
If the records office allows you to use a digital camera or
scanner consider yourself lucky as most repositories do not
allow this. [...] check with your local repository to see if they
do actually allow the use of digital capture devices by
patrons.

I have never had a problem when I've offered them copies of the
scanned images. Of course, these have always been public
services: libraries and historic societies.

In 2004 I went, in a fortnight, to 4 county record offices and a
public library, all in England.

Every one had different attitudes about copying.

One record office recommended bringing in a digital camera for a
document too frail to photocopy. The next had a total prohibition.
The third was very doubtful and had a lot of paperwork that had to be
completed - I don't remember whether they also charged.

Photon713

Re: Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av Photon713 » 05 nov 2006 01:15:38

Thanks everyone for comments. I will be checking with the places I most
visit to see what their rules are. I have used my digital camera in the
past to varying degrees of success.

Regards...Bob

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"Photon713" <bobrass@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:eyI2h.4$2X4.1@trnddc04...
Morning, all...

I am considering purchasing a portable scanner. The one I am considering
is the DocuPen R700. I have encountered a number of instances when I
would like to have had a copy of pages or order slips. My local archive
charges .50 cents for each copy. I will be checking with the manufacturer
to see if it is possible to use this scanner to read/record microfilm
images directly
from the screen. Has anyone used a portable scanner for their research
and have
a recommendation on one?

I use two different scanners on my home system, each is to bulky to
consider
lugging it around.

Regards...Bob

_________________
lvMMMCDLXXIX+1

Joe Roberts

Re: Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av Joe Roberts » 06 nov 2006 16:01:58

Christopher Jahn <xjahn@yahoo.com> wrote:

David J Grimshaw <hawke_eye_david@yahoo.com.au> wrote
If the records office allows you to use a digital camera or
scanner consider yourself lucky as most repositories do not
allow this. [...] check with your local repository to see if they
do actually allow the use of digital capture devices by
patrons.

I have never had a problem when I've offered them copies of the
scanned images. Of course, these have always been public
services: libraries and historic societies.

Several years ago I visited the Boston Public Library on a research project
for a musical work: "The Golden Legend", by Arthur Sullivan. I was looking
for a copy of the 1893 Novello printing, plus whatever else might be found.

The library's Reference department had two sections, roughly equal to
"rare/valuable" and "everything else". The work was in the former section.
After I had requested it, the librarian brought it out wearing white cotton
gloves and set it open upon two soft sponge wedges. She instructed me how
to be careful when turning pages (although I did not need to wear any
gloves.) Then she retreated to a raised desk looking out across the room.

Every history of Sullivan's work has defined Boston as the work's American
premiere. That is why I wanted to find a local copy -- to see if there were
any notes, newspaper clippings, etc stored with the score.

What I found was a revelation. Besides a few news articles, there was a
discovery: the program for a performance of the work which had been given
in Chicago four months earlier. It detailed the work, the choral society,
and the musicians. On it was written by hand in ink: "First American
Performance". Apparently someone had attended the Chicago performance, and
then had come also to the Boston. That information would be a treasure to
anyone who cares for Sullivan's work (or for G&S). Literally it could cause
a couple of "definitive" history books to be rewritten about the American
premiere of the work.

I asked the librarian if I might be permitted to make a copy of that
program. She said "No." I asked if it would be all right if I simply took
a picture of the cover page with my digital camera -- i.e., with no physical
contact to the work. She gave a polite, but firm, "No." I asked whether
the library had any facility or method for getting such an image made, and I
would be willing to pay for the cost. Again, "No."

In hindsight after several years, now I wish I'd pursued the matter with the
library's management, perhaps with their historian or genealogist. I'd
simply walked away, disgruntled.

- - -

This is offered in the context of the thread about scanning historical
documents. If they won't let you do it, and won't give you any viable
alternative for getting it done ... perhaps it's time to take the matter up
with the management and escalate it as necessary.

First of all, the service is supposed to be there in the public interest.
Your taxes pay for it.

Second, we're now in the 'digital age' where documents can be readily (and
safely) copied, so that their information can be shared and further
researched. A total "No" to such a request is, to say the least, primitive.

Back at the Boston, several years ago, one would wonder why such a policy
would prevail, given that no photocopies existed (at least at that time) of
the paper books. Have they not heard of the 1890 Census?

- - -

Two cents' worth.

Joe

cecilia

Re: Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av cecilia » 06 nov 2006 20:45:18

"Joe Roberts" wrote:
[...]
I asked the librarian if I might be permitted to make a copy of that
program. She said "No." I asked if it would be all right if I simply took
a picture of the cover page with my digital camera -- i.e., with no physical
contact to the work. She gave a polite, but firm, "No." I asked whether
the library had any facility or method for getting such an image made, and I
would be willing to pay for the cost. Again, "No."

Surely it is possible, in such circumstances, to publish the fact
(when and where) you have seen the document, with a transcription of
the salient facts revealed in it and (polite) explanation of the
difficulties in producing an image. Even should a librarian not
allow notes to be taken at the time, remembering the date and location
of the event described until one has an opportunity to make a written
note could be a solution..

Christopher Jahn

Re: Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 06 nov 2006 23:21:25

myths@ic24.net (cecilia) wrote in
news:454f8ba5.999414@news.svr.pol.co.uk:

"Joe Roberts" wrote:
[...]
I asked the librarian if I might be permitted to make a copy
of that program. She said "No." I asked if it would be all
right if I simply took a picture of the cover page with my
digital camera -- i.e., with no physical contact to the work.
She gave a polite, but firm, "No." I asked whether the
library had any facility or method for getting such an image
made, and I would be willing to pay for the cost. Again,
"No."

Surely it is possible, in such circumstances, to publish the
fact (when and where) you have seen the document, with a
transcription of the salient facts revealed in it and
(polite) explanation of the difficulties in producing an
image. Even should a librarian not allow notes to be taken
at the time, remembering the date and location of the event
described until one has an opportunity to make a written note
could be a solution..

This isn't about provenance, it's about improving accessability
of and long term storage of rare documents.

A library is about the dissemination of information as much as
it's about archiving it. The long-term viability of such rare
and fragile documents is actually IMPROVED if you make a digital
image to refer to instead of having to go through the whole
"white glove" protocol.

--
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If you drink carrot juice for a hundred years, you will live for
a long time.

cecilia

Re: Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av cecilia » 07 nov 2006 11:03:57

Christopher Jahn wrote:

This isn't about provenance, it's about improving accessability
of and long term storage of rare documents.

A library is about the dissemination of information as much as
it's about archiving it. The long-term viability of such rare
and fragile documents is actually IMPROVED if you make a digital
image to refer to instead of having to go through the whole
"white glove" protocol.

Improving accessibility occurs when the thing is known to be there.
(This, in a chaotic over-crowded house, I know only too well. <grin>)

Joe Roberts gave no indication of the results of his research project.

clifto

Re: Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av clifto » 09 nov 2006 20:02:43

"Joe Roberts" <shoreheritage_at_comcast.net> wrote:
I asked the librarian if I might be permitted to make a copy of that
program. She said "No." I asked if it would be all right if I simply took
a picture of the cover page with my digital camera -- i.e., with no physical
contact to the work. She gave a polite, but firm, "No." I asked whether
the library had any facility or method for getting such an image made, and I
would be willing to pay for the cost. Again, "No."

I remember visiting a number of museums during a vacation a while back. In
just about every one of them, the stuff was very old, and they specifically
prohibited *flash* photography. (Digital wasn't available then.) One said
the light supposedly degraded some of the stuff, just a tiny bit, but over
several million visitors it added up. In every case, they allowed NON-flash
photography. I'm betting your library was blindly enforcing a rule made for
dummies, i.e. if no one takes any pictures, then we don't have to teach
morons how to explain about the flashes. Digital cameras get noisy below
a certain light level and might need the flash; film cameras can take
perfect pictures in near total darkness with a long enough exposure.

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Charani

Re: Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av Charani » 10 nov 2006 09:07:42

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 07:18:34 +1300, David J Grimshaw wrote:

If the records office allows you to use a digital camera or scanner
consider yourself lucky as most repositories do not allow this.
If they find you useing such a device and you have never asked if you
could use it, expect to be told not to use it again.
Most repositories would view the use of digital equipment by other than
staff for work prepossess a loss of income.
It may check with your local repository to see if they do actually allow
the use of digital capture devices by patrons.

All the record offices I've been in have allowed photography (going
back to the 1970s) and some positively encourage it since it saves
some wear and tear on the documents. Somerset Record Office (England)
also allows the use of hand held scanners.

The one thing they all ask is that patrons check with them first that
it's OK.
--
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jj206

Re: Portable Scanner Use?

Legg inn av jj206 » 11 nov 2006 09:06:46

Photon713 wrote:
Morning, all...

I am considering purchasing a portable scanner. The one I am considering
is the DocuPen R700. I have encountered a number of instances when I
would like to have had a copy of pages or order slips. My local archive
charges .50 cents for each copy. I will be checking with the manufacturer
to see if it is possible to use this scanner to read/record microfilm images
directly
from the screen. Has anyone used a portable scanner for their research and
have
a recommendation on one?

I use two different scanners on my home system, each is to bulky to consider
lugging it around.

Regards...Bob

Hi Bob,

I recently started volunteering at the Seattle National Archives for
that very reason. All copies are free for volunteers. Not sure what
kind of archive you are visiting though....

Also the Seattle branch of the national archives is fine with scanners
brought in and laptops as well as floppy disks. They even give out one
free floppy disk a day if you need it. Not many people do however.

But certain rooms, like the map room, require a photo id and signature
stating that you have read and will abide by all the room rules.

One lady in the map room uses a scanner every Friday. Her scanner is
about the same size as her laptop. I think she is scanning stuff that
is work related as she is always there. But I do not know the make and
model. They are all mostly the same these days except you might get a
discount if you buy a display model at the store. Also you could check
out the display models by seeing how heavy each one feels. That said,
a good large backpack should be able to carry most scanners that can
attach to laptops. But you never mentioned laptops, so perhaps you are
looking at a scanner that is stand alone.

Digital cameras are nice for some uses. But if you want to add captions
to digital pictures you take, then you can cut some little strips of
paper and then have them handy to write on and then place them below
the data you are photographing.

take care & good luck,

Jonathan

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