Marriage cert with fathers name missing...why?

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Wee Peem

Marriage cert with fathers name missing...why?

Legg inn av Wee Peem » 29 okt 2006 17:38:15

Hello.

Come upon a minor hurdle.
Was all set to fit many pieces of Family history jigsaw togeether with the
arrival of a marriage certicate giving the grooms father's name......alas
this was missing.

Can anyone give a possible reason for this ommision.

Why not at least put in mothers name?

Down side is that he would have been born in 1822, so cannot obtain birth
cert from GRO. Guesss its a trip to the area to try to locate his birth
record at the church

Christopher Jahn

Re: Marriage cert with fathers name missing...why?

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 29 okt 2006 18:05:04

"Wee Peem" <wee_peem@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:s6GdnfOJ4dZjRdnYRVnyiw@bt.com:

Hello.

Come upon a minor hurdle.
Was all set to fit many pieces of Family history jigsaw
togeether with the arrival of a marriage certicate giving the
grooms father's name......alas this was missing.

Can anyone give a possible reason for this ommision.

Why not at least put in mothers name?

EITHER the information was not known (he was orphaned young) or the
clerk didn't feel like filling it in.



Down side is that he would have been born in 1822, so cannot
obtain birth cert from GRO. Guesss its a trip to the area to
try to locate his birth record at the church


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Charles Ellson

Re: Marriage cert with fathers name missing...why?

Legg inn av Charles Ellson » 29 okt 2006 18:30:31

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:05:04 -0600, Christopher Jahn <xjahn@yahoo.com>
wrote:

"Wee Peem" <wee_peem@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:s6GdnfOJ4dZjRdnYRVnyiw@bt.com:

Hello.

Come upon a minor hurdle.
Was all set to fit many pieces of Family history jigsaw
togeether with the arrival of a marriage certicate giving the
grooms father's name......alas this was missing.

Can anyone give a possible reason for this ommision.

Why not at least put in mothers name?

If it is an English record then there is no provision for her to be

recorded.

EITHER the information was not known (he was orphaned young) or the
clerk didn't feel like filling it in.

.... or the groom was the son of an unmarried mother with his father

either unknown or (on the marriage record) not acknowledged. This is
the most usual reason.
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Liz_in_Calgary

Re: Marriage cert with fathers name missing...why?

Legg inn av Liz_in_Calgary » 29 okt 2006 19:37:29

Or, you could try writing the church, some churches don't
let you in to their archives. A nice letter with all the
information you have and a check for their time is all that
is required.

take care
Liz



On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:38:15 -0000, in alt.genealogy "Wee
Peem" <wee_peem@btinternet.com> wrote :

Down side is that he would have been born in 1822, so cannot obtain birth
cert from GRO. Guesss its a trip to the area to try to locate his birth
record at the church


Charani

Re: Marriage cert with fathers name missing...why?

Legg inn av Charani » 30 okt 2006 11:28:38

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:37:29 GMT, Liz_in_Calgary wrote:

Or, you could try writing the church, some churches don't
let you in to their archives. A nice letter with all the
information you have and a check for their time is all that
is required.

Wee Peem is talking about English churches and they don't have the
registers once they are more than 100 years old (or shouldn't). They
are passed to the local County Record Office where they are freely
available to anyone who visits.

Any registers over 100 years old are requested by the CRO Archivist.
If the incumbent declines, then the Archdeacon is approached and the
incumbent is persuaded that it "really would be a frightfully good
idea, old boy".
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Charani

Re: Marriage cert with fathers name missing...why?

Legg inn av Charani » 30 okt 2006 11:44:07

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:38:15 -0000, Wee Peem wrote:

Can anyone give a possible reason for this ommision.

The groom was illegitimate.

Why not at least put in mothers name?

The form asks for the father's name and occupation, not the mother's.

Have a look at:

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm

Down side is that he would have been born in 1822, so cannot obtain birth
cert from GRO. Guesss its a trip to the area to try to locate his birth
record at the church

The parish registers are unlikely to be at the church. You would be
better off contacting the relevant County Record Office (which you can
find by googling "<name> Record Office" *with* the quote marks) and
asking if they have the registers there. The answer is most likely to
be yes, so you then need to make an appointment (usually). The
registers are most often available on microfiche in order to preserve
the originals.

In the unlikely event that the registers are still with the church,
you may or may not be allowed to search them yourself. Either way the
incumbent can, and usually will, make a charge.

Queries relating to English/Welsh/Scottish records are best made in
soc.genealogy.britain.
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Charles Ellson

Re: Marriage cert with fathers name missing...why?

Legg inn av Charles Ellson » 30 okt 2006 23:07:38

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:28:38 +0000, Charani <me@privacy.invalid>
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:37:29 GMT, Liz_in_Calgary wrote:

Or, you could try writing the church, some churches don't
let you in to their archives. A nice letter with all the
information you have and a check for their time is all that
is required.

Wee Peem is talking about English churches and they don't have the
registers once they are more than 100 years old (or shouldn't). They
are passed to the local County Record Office where they are freely
available to anyone who visits.

Any registers over 100 years old are requested by the CRO Archivist.
If the incumbent declines, then the Archdeacon is approached and the
incumbent is persuaded that it "really would be a frightfully good
idea, old boy".

Unless IIRC the registers are still in use.

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Charani

Re: Marriage cert with fathers name missing...why?

Legg inn av Charani » 31 okt 2006 09:39:27

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:07:38 +0000, Charles Ellson wrote:

Unless IIRC the registers are still in use.

Not according to the senior archivist at Somerset Record Office. Even
if the register is still in use, if it is over 100 years then it has
to be deposited. I suppose some leeway is given if the first few
entries in the register are over the 100 year mark.

On a recent visit there I found one place still had its registers and
they dated back to 1829 and another which still had the registers from
the 1840s and onwards. The first place was very small and I said they
might still be in use. That's when I was told that they still had to
be deposited.
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