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PAF Companion includes all children of all spouses in ahnent

Legg inn av Dora Smith » 08 okt 2006 04:13:05

Plain old PAF Companion includes all children of all spouses in ahnentafel
reports. I just started going through my collected genealogical programs
to see what does print out, and PAF Companion was the first one in my folder
of shortcuts to genealogy programs. I checked. It is so stupid not to
include all the children of all the spouses for each ancestor that I don't
readily accept that they aren't there.

I never would have thought it, and noone said so. Maybe because everyone
thinks too much of Roots Magic, Legacy, and FTM. Well, I would, too, if
only those programs could print a basic genealogy report. With the
irregular dates intact.

It should have occurred to me as a possibility; PAF products have always
done plain old common sense genealogy long before any other program did.

PAF Companion is available for just $15 from LDS, last time I knew about it;
it could be more now. There are things it does not do, and its reports
aren't formatted as nicely as some of the others, but it is readable, and
this is what I most need!

It leaves irregular dates alone, too. All PAF products do that.

Here's an example from my ahentafel report.

20. Eli5 Thompson , born 4 Dec 1770 in Mill Creek, New CAstle, DE; died 19
Sep 1840 in London Britain, Chester, PA, son of 34. Daniel Thompson and 35.
Elizabeth Chambers . He married (1) on 11 Jun 1798 in London Grove,
Chester, PA 21. Elizabeth Wilson , born 16 Jul 1777 in "of" London Grove;
died 11 3rd mo 1803 in New Garden Mtg, Chester, PA, daughter of 36. Ephraim
Wilson and 37. Elizabeth Johnson ; (2) on 19 Aug 1806 in New Garden,
Chester, PA Sarah Scarlett , died 1 Mar 1859 in London Britain, Chester, PA.



Notes for Eli Thompson

settled in White Clay Creek, it may have belonged to New Garden at the
time as part of New Garden was absorbed into London Britain.



b 2/4/1770 MC settled WC m (1) LG m (2) 1806 NG d 9/19/1840

Inconsistency of dates and a registration omission leave it unknown which of
the two wives was Ezra's mother. It strongly appears that Ezra's mother was
Elizabeth Wilson, who died giving birth to him or soon after, in early 1804.



Eli Thompson b 12/4/1700 Mill Creek m (1) 6/11/1798, Elizabeth Wilson
m (2) 8/19/1806 Sarah Scarlett Settled in WC, I don't now when, d
9/19/1840, family records at New Garden mm.



Eli seems to have been a very quiet person. I don't know what role he
may have played in his meeting. But he signed the wedding certificate only
of one of his brothers. This means the only wedding he ever went to of his
small, close-knit community was that of one of his brothers. All present
signed a Quaker wedding certificate, and that was almost always alot of
people; usually from half to most of the members of the meeting.



Notes for Elizabeth Wilson

Elizabeth Wilson b 7/16/1777 d "11, 3rd mo, 1803"

(New Garden meeting records)

Translate: January 11, 1803.



I think it possible she really died January 11, 1804, but so far
cannot confirm. If she died in 1803, Ezra was born to a ghost, or else
illegitimately several years before his father remarried.



This is exactly how it is recorded in the New Garden meeting records,
and because it appears to be mistaken, it is important to preserve it
exactly as the Quaker clerk wrote it. The Quaker calendar differed from the
English calendar by two months, and I've never seen an explanation of what
happened when the Quaker and English calenders were in different years;
people must have gotten very confused constantly. Further, people write the
previous year all of the time when writing dates in early January. I think
she really died on January 11, 1804, the only logical way to account for
Ezra's birth in 1804. Eli didn't marry his second wife until August, 1806!
Ezra's birth is not recorded in the New Garden records, though a Miller
genealogy says Ezra was a son of Eli, and Eli passed some of his land on
White Clay Creek to Ezra upon Ezra's marriage, and both naming patterns and
patterns of family political participation as well as the fact that Ezra
became an Orthodox Quaker make it clear that Ezra was close kin to Eli. I
suspect Elizabeth died of giving birth to Ezra. Her death is recorded, but
they would have had a funeral, the abnormally quiet, probably depressed
father forgot to register the birth of his son! In addition, Ezra's birth is
not recorded at ANY Quaker meeting, to anyone- and he was a Quaker.



Children of Eli Thompson and Elizabeth Wilson were as follows:

i Joel4 Thompson , born 12 Jun 1799 in London
Britain, Chester, PA. He married (1) on 11 May 1829 in New London, Chester,
PA Rachel Spencer , born 14 Jun 1803 in prob New Garden, New London,
Chester, PA; died 24 Feb 1851 in New Garden, Chester, PA; (2) bef 1827 in
Chester Co, PA Mary Matlack (Hickman) , died in West Chester, PA. Notes:
settled in New Garden Township.

ii Daniel4 Thompson , born 13 Mar 1801 in London
Britain, Chester, PA; died 25 Jul 1868 in London Britain, Chester, PA. She
married bef 1826 in New Garden, Chester, PA Beulah C. or G. Hughes , born
1802 in Chester County, PA; died 1882 in London Britain, Chester, PA.
Notes: Daniel and/or Ezra were the elders of the London Britain (Orthodox)
Meetting. The London Britain meeting was Orthodox and starteda t about the
same time as the Mill Creek Hicksite Meeting, the leader of which was a
James Thompson, another member of this clan. But the Hicksite/ Quaker split
was about the developing middle class (who were assimilating into the
mainstream) vs traditional farmers with a more traditional outlook who in
fact opposed the developing Capitalist economy as a threat to their
livlihoods. Eli was one of the sons of his father whose sons and grandsons
were upwardly mobile, and they went with the minority in rural Chester
County orthodox position. The Orthodox Quakers held something fairly closely
resembling ordinary Protestant church services, and adopted a belief in the
Trinity, the Hicksites maintain to this day their traditional Quaker ways of
thinking and mode of worship.

10 iii Ezra Sr.4 Thompson , born abt 1804 in London
Britain, Chester, PA; died 1873 in London Britain, Chester, PA. He married
prob 1832 in prob London Britain, Chester, PA Mary Webster Miller , born 17
Nov 1808 in New Garden, Chester, PA; died 1887 in London Britain, Chester,
PA, daughter of John Miller and Mary Webster .

iv Joshua4 Thompson , born 20 May or Jul 1786 in
New Garden, Chester, PA.



Children of Eli Thompson and Sarah Scarlett were as follows:

i Mary4 Thompson , born 15 May 1810 in London
Britain, Chester, PA. She married in 1827 in Spencer's Mtg, New London,
Chester, PA Jeremiah Starr , born in New Garden, Chester, PA.



I will find out who are the most important stockholders of FTM, Legacy, and
Roots Magic, and write to them with examples. And I will post that
informaition when I find it.



Maybe the programmers and executives of those companies themselves don't
care, and may be they'll never grow brains, but they WILL learn how to earn
their paychecks.



:)

--
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@yahoo.com

the_verminator@comcast.ne

Re: PAF Companion includes all children of all spouses in ah

Legg inn av the_verminator@comcast.ne » 08 okt 2006 05:38:09

Dora Smith wrote:
Here's an example from my ahentafel report.

ii Daniel4 Thompson , born 13 Mar 1801 in London
Britain, Chester, PA; died 25 Jul 1868 in London Britain, Chester, PA. She
married bef 1826 in New Garden, Chester, PA Beulah C. or G. Hughes , born
1802 in Chester County, PA; died 1882 in London Britain, Chester, PA.
Notes: Daniel and/or Ezra were the elders of the London Britain (Orthodox)
Meetting.

I'd hardly consider a lesbian marriage before 1826 Orthodox- be it
Quaker or any other religion!

If it by some chance wasn't a lesbian marriage then it indicates sloppy
work on the part of the party entering the data - a flaw no genealogy
program can overcome.

--
The Verminator

Dora Smith

Re: PAF Companion includes all children of all spouses in ah

Legg inn av Dora Smith » 08 okt 2006 14:55:22

Lesbian!

Verminator, you are seriously a wonder! Nothing I've said in the past
week has come close to that statement.

--
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@yahoo.com
<the_verminator@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1160282289.190993.257380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dora Smith wrote:

Here's an example from my ahentafel report.

ii Daniel4 Thompson , born 13 Mar 1801 in
London
Britain, Chester, PA; died 25 Jul 1868 in London Britain, Chester, PA.
She
married bef 1826 in New Garden, Chester, PA Beulah C. or G. Hughes , born
1802 in Chester County, PA; died 1882 in London Britain, Chester, PA.
Notes: Daniel and/or Ezra were the elders of the London Britain
(Orthodox)
Meetting.

I'd hardly consider a lesbian marriage before 1826 Orthodox- be it
Quaker or any other religion!

If it by some chance wasn't a lesbian marriage then it indicates sloppy
work on the part of the party entering the data - a flaw no genealogy
program can overcome.

--
The Verminator

Dora Smith

Re: PAF Companion includes all children of all spouses in ah

Legg inn av Dora Smith » 08 okt 2006 15:03:29

But I can hope that everyone else reads my output that closely! LOL!

Verminator, I found this posted to the French genealogy newsgroup, which
does not have a very large active membership. Do you actually have French
ancestors? Or did you follow me here in order to argue with me, because I
mentioned I would post my query about how to solve this problem on the
French newsgroup because I'm specifically running into it with French
Canadian ancestors, and someone else said that Dennis Beauregard and another
individual have been working on this problem? Who's the troll around here?

--
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@yahoo.com
<the_verminator@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1160282289.190993.257380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dora Smith wrote:

Here's an example from my ahentafel report.

ii Daniel4 Thompson , born 13 Mar 1801 in
London
Britain, Chester, PA; died 25 Jul 1868 in London Britain, Chester, PA.
She
married bef 1826 in New Garden, Chester, PA Beulah C. or G. Hughes , born
1802 in Chester County, PA; died 1882 in London Britain, Chester, PA.
Notes: Daniel and/or Ezra were the elders of the London Britain
(Orthodox)
Meetting.

I'd hardly consider a lesbian marriage before 1826 Orthodox- be it
Quaker or any other religion!

If it by some chance wasn't a lesbian marriage then it indicates sloppy
work on the part of the party entering the data - a flaw no genealogy
program can overcome.

--
The Verminator

Claude Sadin

Re: PAF Companion includes all children of all spouses in ah

Legg inn av Claude Sadin » 08 okt 2006 16:23:33

please, I am not fluent in english ... sorry !

But can you verify the age of Elisabeth Wilson, mother of :

iv Joshua4 Thompson , born 20 May or Jul 1786 in
New Garden, Chester, PA.

And the marriage was in 1798 ...

Claude ( french speaking sorry )

------------------------------
"Dora Smith" <villandra@austin.rr.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
51_Vg.43918$DU3.38141@tornado.texas.rr.com...
Plain old PAF Companion includes all children of all spouses in ahnentafel
reports. I just started going through my collected genealogical programs
to see what does print out, and PAF Companion was the first one in my
folder of shortcuts to genealogy programs. I checked. It is so stupid
not to include all the children of all the spouses for each ancestor that
I don't readily accept that they aren't there.

I never would have thought it, and noone said so. Maybe because everyone
thinks too much of Roots Magic, Legacy, and FTM. Well, I would, too, if
only those programs could print a basic genealogy report. With the
irregular dates intact.

It should have occurred to me as a possibility; PAF products have always
done plain old common sense genealogy long before any other program did.

PAF Companion is available for just $15 from LDS, last time I knew about
it; it could be more now. There are things it does not do, and its
reports aren't formatted as nicely as some of the others, but it is
readable, and this is what I most need!

It leaves irregular dates alone, too. All PAF products do that.

Here's an example from my ahentafel report.

20. Eli5 Thompson , born 4 Dec 1770 in Mill Creek, New CAstle, DE; died 19
Sep 1840 in London Britain, Chester, PA, son of 34. Daniel Thompson and
35. Elizabeth Chambers . He married (1) on 11 Jun 1798 in London Grove,
Chester, PA 21. Elizabeth Wilson , born 16 Jul 1777 in "of" London Grove;
died 11 3rd mo 1803 in New Garden Mtg, Chester, PA, daughter of 36.
Ephraim Wilson and 37. Elizabeth Johnson ; (2) on 19 Aug 1806 in New
Garden, Chester, PA Sarah Scarlett , died 1 Mar 1859 in London Britain,
Chester, PA.



Notes for Eli Thompson

settled in White Clay Creek, it may have belonged to New Garden at
the time as part of New Garden was absorbed into London Britain.



b 2/4/1770 MC settled WC m (1) LG m (2) 1806 NG d 9/19/1840

Inconsistency of dates and a registration omission leave it unknown which
of the two wives was Ezra's mother. It strongly appears that Ezra's mother
was Elizabeth Wilson, who died giving birth to him or soon after, in early
1804.



Eli Thompson b 12/4/1700 Mill Creek m (1) 6/11/1798, Elizabeth
Wilson m (2) 8/19/1806 Sarah Scarlett Settled in WC, I don't now when, d
9/19/1840, family records at New Garden mm.



Eli seems to have been a very quiet person. I don't know what role
he may have played in his meeting. But he signed the wedding certificate
only of one of his brothers. This means the only wedding he ever went to
of his small, close-knit community was that of one of his brothers. All
present signed a Quaker wedding certificate, and that was almost always
alot of people; usually from half to most of the members of the meeting.



Notes for Elizabeth Wilson

Elizabeth Wilson b 7/16/1777 d "11, 3rd mo, 1803"

(New Garden meeting records)

Translate: January 11, 1803.



I think it possible she really died January 11, 1804, but so far
cannot confirm. If she died in 1803, Ezra was born to a ghost, or else
illegitimately several years before his father remarried.



This is exactly how it is recorded in the New Garden meeting records,
and because it appears to be mistaken, it is important to preserve it
exactly as the Quaker clerk wrote it. The Quaker calendar differed from
the English calendar by two months, and I've never seen an explanation of
what happened when the Quaker and English calenders were in different
years; people must have gotten very confused constantly. Further, people
write the previous year all of the time when writing dates in early
January. I think she really died on January 11, 1804, the only logical way
to account for Ezra's birth in 1804. Eli didn't marry his second wife
until August, 1806! Ezra's birth is not recorded in the New Garden
records, though a Miller genealogy says Ezra was a son of Eli, and Eli
passed some of his land on White Clay Creek to Ezra upon Ezra's marriage,
and both naming patterns and patterns of family political participation as
well as the fact that Ezra became an Orthodox Quaker make it clear that
Ezra was close kin to Eli. I suspect Elizabeth died of giving birth to
Ezra. Her death is recorded, but they would have had a funeral, the
abnormally quiet, probably depressed father forgot to register the birth
of his son! In addition, Ezra's birth is not recorded at ANY Quaker
meeting, to anyone- and he was a Quaker.



Children of Eli Thompson and Elizabeth Wilson were as follows:

i Joel4 Thompson , born 12 Jun 1799 in London
Britain, Chester, PA. He married (1) on 11 May 1829 in New London,
Chester, PA Rachel Spencer , born 14 Jun 1803 in prob New Garden, New
London, Chester, PA; died 24 Feb 1851 in New Garden, Chester, PA; (2) bef
1827 in Chester Co, PA Mary Matlack (Hickman) , died in West Chester, PA.
Notes: settled in New Garden Township.

ii Daniel4 Thompson , born 13 Mar 1801 in
London Britain, Chester, PA; died 25 Jul 1868 in London Britain, Chester,
PA. She married bef 1826 in New Garden, Chester, PA Beulah C. or G.
Hughes , born 1802 in Chester County, PA; died 1882 in London Britain,
Chester, PA. Notes: Daniel and/or Ezra were the elders of the London
Britain (Orthodox) Meetting. The London Britain meeting was Orthodox and
starteda t about the same time as the Mill Creek Hicksite Meeting, the
leader of which was a James Thompson, another member of this clan. But
the Hicksite/ Quaker split was about the developing middle class (who were
assimilating into the mainstream) vs traditional farmers with a more
traditional outlook who in fact opposed the developing Capitalist economy
as a threat to their livlihoods. Eli was one of the sons of his father
whose sons and grandsons were upwardly mobile, and they went with the
minority in rural Chester County orthodox position. The Orthodox Quakers
held something fairly closely resembling ordinary Protestant church
services, and adopted a belief in the Trinity, the Hicksites maintain to
this day their traditional Quaker ways of thinking and mode of worship.

10 iii Ezra Sr.4 Thompson , born abt 1804 in London
Britain, Chester, PA; died 1873 in London Britain, Chester, PA. He
married prob 1832 in prob London Britain, Chester, PA Mary Webster Miller
, born 17 Nov 1808 in New Garden, Chester, PA; died 1887 in London
Britain, Chester, PA, daughter of John Miller and Mary Webster .

iv Joshua4 Thompson , born 20 May or Jul 1786 in
New Garden, Chester, PA.



Children of Eli Thompson and Sarah Scarlett were as follows:

i Mary4 Thompson , born 15 May 1810 in London
Britain, Chester, PA. She married in 1827 in Spencer's Mtg, New London,
Chester, PA Jeremiah Starr , born in New Garden, Chester, PA.



I will find out who are the most important stockholders of FTM, Legacy,
and Roots Magic, and write to them with examples. And I will post that
informaition when I find it.



Maybe the programmers and executives of those companies themselves don't
care, and may be they'll never grow brains, but they WILL learn how to
earn their paychecks.



:)

--
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@yahoo.com

the_verminator@comcast.ne

Re: PAF Companion includes all children of all spouses in ah

Legg inn av the_verminator@comcast.ne » 08 okt 2006 17:59:30

Dora Smith wrote:
But I can hope that everyone else reads my output that closely! LOL!

Verminator, I found this posted to the French genealogy newsgroup, which
does not have a very large active membership. Do you actually have French
ancestors? Or did you follow me here in order to argue with me, because I
mentioned I would post my query about how to solve this problem on the
French newsgroup because I'm specifically running into it with French
Canadian ancestors, and someone else said that Dennis Beauregard and another
individual have been working on this problem? Who's the troll around here?

--
Yours,
Dora Smith

Dora- yes I do have French ancestors- among others.

As to the french genealogy newsgroup.. you started the cross-posting
there. I replied to the above message when it appeared in the
soc.genealogy.computing newsgroup. You post in several newsgroups by
crossposting and I'll reply in like manner... or you can trim your
crossposting- your choice.

--
The Verminator



Austin, TX
tiggernut24@yahoo.com
the_verminator@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1160282289.190993.257380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Dora Smith wrote:

Here's an example from my ahentafel report.

ii Daniel4 Thompson , born 13 Mar 1801 in
London
Britain, Chester, PA; died 25 Jul 1868 in London Britain, Chester, PA.
She
married bef 1826 in New Garden, Chester, PA Beulah C. or G. Hughes , born
1802 in Chester County, PA; died 1882 in London Britain, Chester, PA.
Notes: Daniel and/or Ezra were the elders of the London Britain
(Orthodox)
Meetting.

I'd hardly consider a lesbian marriage before 1826 Orthodox- be it
Quaker or any other religion!

If it by some chance wasn't a lesbian marriage then it indicates sloppy
work on the part of the party entering the data - a flaw no genealogy
program can overcome.

--
The Verminator

Dora Smith

Re: PAF Companion includes all children of all spouses in ah

Legg inn av Dora Smith » 08 okt 2006 20:45:11

No problem, my French isn't good!

I'd be glad to check those dates for you if there was a reason to.
However, I posted the report on the family of Eli Wilson and his two wives
in order to demonstrate how PAF Companion, a genealogy program, includes all
spouses and all children of each ancestor, in ancestor and ahnentafel
reports.

I gave the example for two reasons. First,without an example, people often
seem to misunderstand what I am talking about. For instance, people often
think either that I want to include in laws or cousins, or that I actually
want to do descendancy reports. No, I want an ancestor report, that
includes all spouses of each ancestor, and all children of each spouse; in
other words, all of the children of this family sorted by parentage.

Second, I wanted people to see clearly that the wives and the stepchildren
can be included in an ancestor report, and know what software products will
provide this critical basic information. Alot of people think that is
impossible or unreasonably difficult, and that is software developers'
favorite answer to life.

However, if I misunderstand, and actually you have Quaker ancestors who
lived in southeastern Pennsylvania, I'll be glad to send you more
information than that one family!

--
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@yahoo.com

"Claude Sadin" <news.s.claudesadin@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:452917f8$0$30041$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
please, I am not fluent in english ... sorry !

But can you verify the age of Elisabeth Wilson, mother of :

iv Joshua4 Thompson , born 20 May or Jul 1786 in
New Garden, Chester, PA.

And the marriage was in 1798 ...

Claude ( french speaking sorry )

------------------------------
Here's an example from my ahentafel report.

20. Eli5 Thompson , born 4 Dec 1770 in Mill Creek, New CAstle, DE; died
19 Sep 1840 in London Britain, Chester, PA, son of 34. Daniel Thompson
and 35. Elizabeth Chambers . He married (1) on 11 Jun 1798 in London
Grove, Chester, PA 21. Elizabeth Wilson , born 16 Jul 1777 in "of" London
Grove; died 11 3rd mo 1803 in New Garden Mtg, Chester, PA, daughter of
36. Ephraim Wilson and 37. Elizabeth Johnson ; (2) on 19 Aug 1806 in New
Garden, Chester, PA Sarah Scarlett , died 1 Mar 1859 in London Britain,
Chester, PA.



Notes for Eli Thompson

settled in White Clay Creek, it may have belonged to New Garden at
the time as part of New Garden was absorbed into London Britain.



b 2/4/1770 MC settled WC m (1) LG m (2) 1806 NG d 9/19/1840

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