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im confused

Legg inn av slickie » 07 sep 2006 13:16:18

hello its pussy cat what do i do now

slickie

Re: im confused

Legg inn av slickie » 07 sep 2006 13:20:39

Anne Chambers wrote:
slickie wrote:

hello its pussy cat what do i do now

wash yourself all over and go to sleep
are you from genes ?

slickie

Re: im confused

Legg inn av slickie » 07 sep 2006 13:21:09

Anne Chambers wrote:
slickie wrote:

hello its pussy cat what do i do now

wash yourself all over and go to sleep
are you from genes ?

slickie

Re: im confused

Legg inn av slickie » 07 sep 2006 13:22:38

Anne Chambers wrote:
slickie wrote:

hello its pussy cat what do i do now

wash yourself all over and go to sleep
are you from genes ?

slickie

Re: im confused

Legg inn av slickie » 07 sep 2006 13:23:03

Anne Chambers wrote:
slickie wrote:

hello its pussy cat what do i do now

wash yourself all over and go to sleep
are you from genes ?

Johnny

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Johnny » 07 sep 2006 13:29:21

"slickie" <WlLorr@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1157631783.468319.226770@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Anne Chambers wrote:
slickie wrote:

hello its pussy cat what do i do now

wash yourself all over and go to sleep
are you from genes ?


Must be an AOLer... yep, I was right. Once was enough, 4 times way too
many!

Bob Jones

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Bob Jones » 07 sep 2006 15:05:48

What did you have in mind? Suggest you're in the wrong NG! Don't be
surprised if your mailbox catches fire due to the flames you're bound to rx!
--
Bob JONES
How come my family coat-of-arms ties at the back?
"slickie" <WlLorr@aol.com> wrote in message
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hello its pussy cat what do i do now

SBPF Wendy

Re: im confused

Legg inn av SBPF Wendy » 08 sep 2006 15:50:57

Hello Pussycat i have just got here too and am very confused.xx
Bob Jones wrote:
What did you have in mind? Suggest you're in the wrong NG! Don't be
surprised if your mailbox catches fire due to the flames you're bound to rx!
--
Bob JONES
How come my family coat-of-arms ties at the back?
"slickie" <WlLorr@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1157631378.340790.106910@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
hello its pussy cat what do i do now

Dave Hinz

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 09 sep 2006 14:24:32

On 8 Sep 2006 07:50:57 -0700, SBPF Wendy <wdiddy55@aol.com> wrote:
Hello Pussycat i have just got here too and am very confused.xx

Things will be much less confusing if, for starters, answers go after
the things they're answering in the posts.

Michael Kenefick

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Michael Kenefick » 09 sep 2006 16:19:02

Dave that is completely wrong. You have to google for a fix to correct
your mail program.

Dave Hinz wrote:
On 8 Sep 2006 07:50:57 -0700, SBPF Wendy <wdiddy55@aol.com> wrote:

Hello Pussycat i have just got here too and am very confused.xx


Things will be much less confusing if, for starters, answers go after
the things they're answering in the posts.

Christopher Jahn

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 09 sep 2006 16:39:21

Michael Kenefick <kenefick@copper.net> wrote in
news:4502DB66.2000504@copper.net:


Things will be much less confusing if, for starters, answers
go after the things they're answering in the posts.

Dave that is completely wrong. You have to google for a fix
to correct your mail program.

No, he's right and you are wrong. On USENET, which is not MAIL,
the reply is supposed to follow the quoted material.

This is due to the nature of message propogation on usenet;
unlike email, where messages are sent directly from one server to
the next, usenet messages are handed off randomly to many
different NNTP servers. It is not at all uncommon for a reply
message to appear on a server long before the original inquiry.
Sometimes all you see is the reply!

Because of this, every message must be constructed as though it
is the only message your reader will see - you cannot assume that
they have a message thread to refer to, or that they have been
"following the conversation."

So you should keep the conversation "in order" when you quote.
If you look up "netiquette", you will find that it is recommended
that you follow the common practices in the group you join, and
the standard protocol here is "question, then answer."


--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

The backbone of this country is the independent trucks.

Michael Kenefick

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Michael Kenefick » 09 sep 2006 21:44:46

I had to research what exactly what usenet was. I did found lots of
citations. A few of which simply stated bottom posting was once used by
people using a usenet. I got the impression it was from the days when
only colleges / universities had access to what eventually became the
internet.

If I need to see the question then I will scroll down. So please have
your mail program fixed so that we can see your answers quickly and send
our thanks or disapproval to your contribution.

Christopher Jahn wrote:
Michael Kenefick <kenefick@copper.net> wrote in
news:4502DB66.2000504@copper.net:

Things will be much less confusing if, for starters, answers
go after the things they're answering in the posts.


Dave that is completely wrong. You have to google for a fix
to correct your mail program.


No, he's right and you are wrong. On USENET, which is not MAIL,
the reply is supposed to follow the quoted material.

This is due to the nature of message propogation on usenet;
unlike email, where messages are sent directly from one server to
the next, usenet messages are handed off randomly to many
different NNTP servers. It is not at all uncommon for a reply
message to appear on a server long before the original inquiry.
Sometimes all you see is the reply!

Because of this, every message must be constructed as though it
is the only message your reader will see - you cannot assume that
they have a message thread to refer to, or that they have been
"following the conversation."

So you should keep the conversation "in order" when you quote.
If you look up "netiquette", you will find that it is recommended
that you follow the common practices in the group you join, and
the standard protocol here is "question, then answer."


Rush

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Rush » 09 sep 2006 22:49:22

Michael Kenefick wrote:
I had to research what exactly what usenet was. I did found lots of
citations. A few of which simply stated bottom posting was once used by
people using a usenet. I got the impression it was from the days when
only colleges / universities had access to what eventually became the
internet.

If I need to see the question then I will scroll down. So please have
your mail program fixed so that we can see your answers quickly and send
our thanks or disapproval to your contribution.


I don't even want to engage in a flame on this, but bottom posting is
the proper method. No, there is no governing body that will remove your
USENET access if you top post, but...

- Top posting destroys the normal flow of the messages and makes it more
difficult to read.
- Makes proper bottom posts more difficult
- When top posting, more often than not, users will to have to scroll
down to see the preceding post to even know what the person is
responding to.

Determined top posters will just continue on their way and inline and
bottom posters will hopefully continue to do the right thing.

Rush
Krieger / Lawrence Genealogy
http://www.bythedrop.com

Christopher Jahn

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 10 sep 2006 00:19:59

Michael Kenefick <kenefick@copper.net> wrote in
news:450327BE.1000401@copper.net:

If I need to see the question then I will scroll down. So
please have your mail program fixed so that we can see your
answers quickly and send our thanks or disapproval to your
contribution.

No, you're an asshole. Go look up the term "bozo bin.”

PLONK

--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

Um. No. It's not mayonnaise.

Christopher Jahn

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 10 sep 2006 00:20:50

sussmol@yahoo.ca (Sharon) wrote in
news:20060909222002.40829.qmail@web55701.mail.re3.yahoo.com:

Not trying to flame here, but according to whom?

Another one for the bozo bin!

PLONK!

--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

It is better to have loved and lost than to have just lost.

Sharon

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Sharon » 10 sep 2006 00:25:04

Not trying to flame here, but according to whom? I've seen just as many argue that top posting is not any more improper than bottom posting is. Those that claim it interferes with the normal flow of a conversation.are just playing net cop, imho.

Sharon

----- Original Message ----
From: Rush <thecatch@bythedrop.com>
To: ALT-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2006 3:49:22 PM
Subject: Re: im confused

I don't even want to engage in a flame on this, but bottom posting is
the proper method. No, there is no governing body that will remove your
USENET access if you top post, but...

- Top posting destroys the normal flow of the messages and makes it more
difficult to read.
- Makes proper bottom posts more difficult
- When top posting, more often than not, users will to have to scroll
down to see the preceding post to even know what the person is
responding to.

Determined top posters will just continue on their way and inline and
bottom posters will hopefully continue to do the right thing.

Rush
Krieger / Lawrence Genealogy
http://www.bythedrop.com

Sharon

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Sharon » 10 sep 2006 01:40:03

My point proven by an irrational plonker. ;-)

Sharon

----- Original Message ----
From: Christopher Jahn <xjahn@yahoo.com>
To: ALT-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2006 5:20:50 PM
Subject: Re: im confused

Another one for the bozo bin!

PLONK!

Michael Kenefick

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Michael Kenefick » 10 sep 2006 03:20:42

It sure is funny your so called spam trap e-mail address had its return
message at the top, you rude, crude individual. Rest assured I will no
longer read your questions or responses.

Christopher Jahn wrote:
Michael Kenefick <kenefick@copper.net> wrote in
news:450327BE.1000401@copper.net:


If I need to see the question then I will scroll down. So
please have your mail program fixed so that we can see your
answers quickly and send our thanks or disapproval to your
contribution.


No, you're an asshole. Go look up the term "bozo bin.”

PLONK

Rush

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Rush » 10 sep 2006 09:02:50

Sharon wrote:
Not trying to flame here, but according to whom? I've seen just as many argue that top posting is not any more improper than bottom posting is. Those that claim it interferes with the normal flow of a conversation.are just playing net cop, imho.

Sharon


There's no one out there enforcing the 'rules', so to speak. But bottom
posting is similar to saying "Please" and "Thank You". You don't have
to do it, but it can make things a lot more pleasant.

Rush
Krieger / Lawrence Genealogy
http://www.bythedrop.com

Charani

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Charani » 10 sep 2006 13:37:34

On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:44:46 -0400, Michael Kenefick wrote:

So please have
your mail program fixed so that we can see your answers quickly and send
our thanks or disapproval to your contribution.

Since you use Mozilla, you've obviously deliberately set it to put
your answer *above* the quote instead of in the correct position which
is below, as Christopher and Dave have already stated.
--
http://home.comcast.net/~webact1/Collingridge/

Dave Hinz

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 10 sep 2006 14:15:42

On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 11:19:02 -0400, Michael Kenefick <kenefick@copper.net> wrote:
Dave that is completely wrong. You have to google for a fix to correct
your mail program.

No, Michael, the problem is, the way you just put your answer at the
top, changed what was a conversation stuctured like this:
A
B

To this:
C
A
B

Now, where am I to answer? Answers go after questions; we're not
playing Jeopardy here.

A better analysis of this than I care to take time to attempt to write
now, is here:
http://wiki.workalone.co.uk/index.php?p ... ForPosting
in the section "why top-posting is bad".

If your goals in being here include communicating effectively, it'd be
worth your time to read it.

Dave Hinz

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 10 sep 2006 14:16:21

On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:44:46 -0400, Michael Kenefick <kenefick@copper.net> wrote:
I had to research what exactly what usenet was. I did found lots of
citations. A few of which simply stated bottom posting was once used by
people using a usenet. I got the impression it was from the days when
only colleges / universities had access to what eventually became the
internet.

If I need to see the question then I will scroll down. So please have
your mail program fixed so that we can see your answers quickly and send
our thanks or disapproval to your contribution.

OK, arrogant twit, or troll? I've got _my_ theory.

jj206

Re: im confused

Legg inn av jj206 » 22 sep 2006 00:09:13

Michael Kenefick wrote:


If I need to see the question then I will scroll down. So please have
your mail program fixed so that we can see your answers quickly and send
our thanks or disapproval to your contribution.

The only reason I bottom post is because of blind people.

Many blind people have programs that read aloud the usenet and message
board posts. If one is listening to this message aloud, then it makes
more sense if the messages are in order 1,2,3,4 if the topic warrants it.

Jonathan

Christopher Jahn

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 22 sep 2006 02:08:37

jj206 <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in
news:1158880121.695877@bubbleator.drizzle.com:

Michael Kenefick wrote:


If I need to see the question then I will scroll down. So
please have your mail program fixed so that we can see your
answers quickly and send our thanks or disapproval to your
contribution.

The only reason I bottom post is because of blind people.

Many blind people have programs that read aloud the usenet and
message board posts. If one is listening to this message
aloud, then it makes more sense if the messages are in order
1,2,3,4 if the topic warrants it.


And it makes more sense when you're reading, too. And for the
same reason.



--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

Wonders never cease, as long as you never cease to wonder.

Liz_in_Calgary

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Liz_in_Calgary » 22 sep 2006 04:13:27

I would have thought blind people would get tired of hearing
the same thing over and over again...

take care
Liz
ps if you can't figure out what i am writing about please
feel free to scroll down, or continue listening....



On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:09:13 -0700, in alt.genealogy jj206
<jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote :

The only reason I bottom post is because of blind people.

Many blind people have programs that read aloud the usenet and message
board posts. If one is listening to this message aloud, then it makes
more sense if the messages are in order 1,2,3,4 if the topic warrants it.

Jonathan

Christopher Jahn

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 22 sep 2006 04:28:27

Liz_in_Calgary <misnomer@shaw.ca> wrote in
news:f6l6h2t17efhdp3168r5avkuis7f5p930s@4ax.com:

I would have thought blind people would get tired of hearing
the same thing over and over again...

take care
Liz
ps if you can't figure out what i am writing about please
feel free to scroll down, or continue listening....



On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:09:13 -0700, in alt.genealogy jj206
jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote :

The only reason I bottom post is because of blind people.

Many blind people have programs that read aloud the usenet and
message board posts. If one is listening to this message
aloud, then it makes more sense if the messages are in order
1,2,3,4 if the topic warrants it.

Jonathan



This is sound of a bozo going into the bozo bin;
PLONK.

--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

You're never alone with schizophrenia.

Phyllis Nilsson

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Phyllis Nilsson » 30 sep 2006 06:51:05

I liken bottom posting to being in a group conversation and requiring each
person in the group to repeat every thing they've said every time someone
else joins the group. What may have been "right" 30 years ago isn't
necessarily correct today, anymore than leisure suits would get a thumbs up
today.

Sharon wrote:

Not trying to flame here, but according to whom? I've seen just as many
argue that top posting is not any more improper than bottom posting is.
Those that claim it interferes with the normal flow of a conversation.are
just playing net cop, imho.

Sharon

----- Original Message ----
From: Rush <thecatch@bythedrop.com
To: ALT-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2006 3:49:22 PM
Subject: Re: im confused

I don't even want to engage in a flame on this, but bottom posting is
the proper method. No, there is no governing body that will remove your
USENET access if you top post, but...

- Top posting destroys the normal flow of the messages and makes it more
difficult to read.
- Makes proper bottom posts more difficult
- When top posting, more often than not, users will to have to scroll
down to see the preceding post to even know what the person is
responding to.

Determined top posters will just continue on their way and inline and
bottom posters will hopefully continue to do the right thing.

Rush
Krieger / Lawrence Genealogy
http://www.bythedrop.com

--
Toledo,Ohio

cecilia

Re: im confused

Legg inn av cecilia » 30 sep 2006 11:20:19

Phyllis Nilsson wrote:

I liken bottom posting to being in a group conversation and requiring each
person in the group to repeat every thing they've said every time someone
else joins the group. [...]

Only if they don't snip. With so many "interleaving" postings, it is
desirable that top-posters also snip.

Christopher Jahn

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 30 sep 2006 13:32:56

"plonk".



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Never appeal to a man's "better nature". He may not have one.
Robert Heinlein

J_the_fat_lady_I_sings_M

Re: im confused

Legg inn av J_the_fat_lady_I_sings_M » 30 sep 2006 14:54:12

In article <GuWdnQSffbNDn4PYnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@buckeye-express.com>,
Phyllis Nilsson <phyllisnilsson@buckeye-express.com> wrote:

I liken bottom posting to being in a group conversation and requiring each
person in the group to repeat every thing they've said every time someone
else joins the group. What may have been "right" 30 years ago isn't
necessarily correct today, anymore than leisure suits would get a thumbs up
today.


Than maybe you should go to AOLand.com and play in the kiddie pool.
Bottom posting allows a reader to follow the converstion as the posts do
not always all arrive to all servers.

jj206

Re: im confused

Legg inn av jj206 » 01 okt 2006 09:34:13

Phyllis Nilsson wrote:

I liken bottom posting to being in a group conversation and requiring each
person in the group to repeat every thing they've said every time someone
else joins the group. What may have been "right" 30 years ago isn't
necessarily correct today, anymore than leisure suits would get a thumbs up
today.

That is not a good comparison. In person group conversations is where
you would be forced to listen to repeat info....but in a post there are
marks to tell you what you can skip or skim over quickly to see what
the question was or what the context is. If the first post asks 5

questions and you top post, then you have to go down and up a lot to see
what question goes with what reply, so it is better to bottom post for
one question and intersperse post for many questions.

Also there are many varieties for usenet posts expiring. So my isp
might remove posts for alt.genealogy after they are a week old. Other
isps keep the posts available for 2 weeks and some for 2 months or
longer depending on if people request that group be kept longer. So that
means if someone takes a month to reply to the post and a top poster
trims a lot off the first post, then a person coming into the group
later will not know enough of the thread to contribute.

Top posting does not bug me if there is a one line question and just a
one line answer is needed. (^:

Jonathan

John Burns

Re: im confused

Legg inn av John Burns » 01 okt 2006 16:42:54

When I E mail someone back and forth the only ones that ever bottom post
seem to be left handed people!?When other people post back and forth to
someone (vs to a newsgroup) do they bottom or top post?
For Newsgroups I guess it is personal preference (how you organize things in
you head?). To me top posting is the only way that makes sense. Bottom
posting is such a nuisance as you always have to scroll down whereas with
top posting you only have to scroll down if you don't remember the original
question.
John
"jj206" <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in message
news:1159691617.442032@bubbleator.drizzle.com...
Phyllis Nilsson wrote:

I liken bottom posting to being in a group conversation and requiring
each
person in the group to repeat every thing they've said every time
someone
else joins the group. What may have been "right" 30 years ago isn't
necessarily correct today, anymore than leisure suits would get a thumbs
up
today.

That is not a good comparison. In person group conversations is where
you would be forced to listen to repeat info....but in a post there are
marks to tell you what you can skip or skim over quickly to see what
the question was or what the context is. If the first post asks 5
questions and you top post, then you have to go down and up a lot to see
what question goes with what reply, so it is better to bottom post for
one question and intersperse post for many questions.

Also there are many varieties for usenet posts expiring. So my isp
might remove posts for alt.genealogy after they are a week old. Other
isps keep the posts available for 2 weeks and some for 2 months or
longer depending on if people request that group be kept longer. So that
means if someone takes a month to reply to the post and a top poster
trims a lot off the first post, then a person coming into the group
later will not know enough of the thread to contribute.

Top posting does not bug me if there is a one line question and just a
one line answer is needed. (^:

Jonathan

Phyllis Nilsson

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Phyllis Nilsson » 01 okt 2006 18:03:24

Jonathan, thank you so much for your reply. It is obvious that, even though
you disagree with me, you did it in a friendly and courteous manner, which
I appreciate very, very much. It is wonderful to see that intelligent
people can disagree without becoming disagreeable. Thank you, thank you,
thank you.

Top posting does not bug me if there is a one line question and just a
one line answer is needed. (^:

Jonathan

--
Toledo,Ohio

Robert Melson

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 02 okt 2006 00:08:56

In article <TI6dnYawipx1bILYnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@buckeye-express.com>,
Phyllis Nilsson <phyllisnilsson@buckeye-express.com> writes:
Jonathan, thank you so much for your reply. It is obvious that, even though
you disagree with me, you did it in a friendly and courteous manner, which
I appreciate very, very much. It is wonderful to see that intelligent
people can disagree without becoming disagreeable. Thank you, thank you,
thank you.


Top posting does not bug me if there is a one line question and just a
one line answer is needed. (^:

Jonathan


The whole top- vs. bottom-posting "controversy" strikes me as a
big-endian/little-endian debate (as in Gulliver's Travels), with
neither side willing to concede valid arguments from the other.

While I personally prefer bottom-posting for the informational flow,
I also happily admit that there are times - relatively few - when
top-posting makes sense. I'm unwilling, however, to consign top-posters
to the innermost circle of Dante's Hell ... maybe the next one out, but
NOT the innermost circle.

In any event, it seems to me the argument has carried on past the
point where it should have died its natural death.

Sleepy Ol' Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to
prove that the other party is unfit to rule---and both commonly succeed,
and are right." ---H. L. Mencken

Dave Hinz

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 02 okt 2006 00:58:35

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 15:42:54 GMT, John Burns <johnburns@telus.net> wrote:
When I E mail someone back and forth the only ones that ever bottom post
seem to be left handed people!?When other people post back and forth to
someone (vs to a newsgroup) do they bottom or top post?

That's silly. Perfect example - I have no idea who you're answering,
and to find out, I have to scroll down. This _impedes communication_. I
can't see any more clear way to put that. By putting the answers before
the question, you make your points harder to understand and appreciate.

For Newsgroups I guess it is personal preference (how you organize things in
you head?). To me top posting is the only way that makes sense. Bottom
posting is such a nuisance as you always have to scroll down

AH! So you're opposed to people who don't _TRIM_, just like you did,
lazily leaving everything at the bottom. If you give a sentence or two
of context and then your responses to those points, as in this example,
it actually works rather well if you can just step back and look at it
objectively. There's a reason that answers go after questions, after
all...

Dave Hinz

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 02 okt 2006 00:59:28

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:08:56 GMT, Robert Melson <melsonr@aragorn.rgmhome.net> wrote:

I also happily admit that there are times - relatively few - when
top-posting makes sense. I'm unwilling, however, to consign top-posters
to the innermost circle of Dante's Hell ... maybe the next one out, but
NOT the innermost circle.

In any event, it seems to me the argument has carried on past the
point where it should have died its natural death.

Yeah, 1987, wasn't it?

Robert Melson

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 02 okt 2006 02:52:44

In article <4ob330FdqvddU2@individual.net>,
Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> writes:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:08:56 GMT, Robert Melson <melsonr@aragorn.rgmhome.net> wrote:

I also happily admit that there are times - relatively few - when
top-posting makes sense. I'm unwilling, however, to consign top-posters
to the innermost circle of Dante's Hell ... maybe the next one out, but
NOT the innermost circle.

In any event, it seems to me the argument has carried on past the
point where it should have died its natural death.

Yeah, 1987, wasn't it?

Wa'al, now, pardner, I'd say at least day before yesterday in this
group, mebbe a year or two earlier than the date you suggest for the
internet as a (w)hole.

Senescent Ol' Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to
prove that the other party is unfit to rule---and both commonly succeed,
and are right." ---H. L. Mencken

singhals

Re: im confused

Legg inn av singhals » 02 okt 2006 14:50:43

Robert Melson wrote:

In any event, it seems to me the argument has carried on past the
point where it should have died its natural death.

Sometime in late 1997, IIRC.


Cheryl

John Burns

Re: im confused

Legg inn av John Burns » 02 okt 2006 16:41:01

I think it depends on how your brain sorts things. For me bottom posting
impedes communication as I have to scroll through a lot of stuff that I
have read previously to see the last reply-it wastes my time and slows down
communication. It isn't answers before questions but answers after answers.
Trimming can really confuse things for me. It isn't that I decide that a top
post is easier (lazier) to do it just seems like the logical (natural) way
to do it. I repeat, when you E mail someone back and forth do you bottom or
top post?-I suspect most top post. Sometimes I think people that insist on
bottom posting can be very dogmatic. I visit many forums beside genealogy
ones and see more top posting.
"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4ob31aFdqvddU1@individual.net...
On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 15:42:54 GMT, John Burns <johnburns@telus.net> wrote:
When I E mail someone back and forth the only ones that ever bottom post
seem to be left handed people!?When other people post back and forth to
someone (vs to a newsgroup) do they bottom or top post?

That's silly. Perfect example - I have no idea who you're answering,
and to find out, I have to scroll down. This _impedes communication_. I
can't see any more clear way to put that. By putting the answers before
the question, you make your points harder to understand and appreciate.

For Newsgroups I guess it is personal preference (how you organize
things in
you head?). To me top posting is the only way that makes sense. Bottom
posting is such a nuisance as you always have to scroll down

AH! So you're opposed to people who don't _TRIM_, just like you did,
lazily leaving everything at the bottom. If you give a sentence or two
of context and then your responses to those points, as in this example,
it actually works rather well if you can just step back and look at it
objectively. There's a reason that answers go after questions, after
all...

clifto

Re: im confused

Legg inn av clifto » 02 okt 2006 21:05:28

Phyllis Nilsson wrote:
I liken bottom posting to being in a group conversation and requiring each
person in the group to repeat every thing they've said every time someone
else joins the group. What may have been "right" 30 years ago isn't
necessarily correct today, anymore than leisure suits would get a thumbs up
today.

sequence. proper a in thinks who you, as such spirit kindred a there's glad
I'm others. as ruts same the in think to forced being to forwards talking
liken I

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clifto

Re: im confused

Legg inn av clifto » 02 okt 2006 21:11:32

jj206 wrote:
Top posting does not bug me if there is a one line question and just a
one line answer is needed. (^:

Yeah, it's always more fun to know the answer before the question. But
typical top-posted one-liners have about 80 lines too much quoted text.

--
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http://www.villagelandgrab.com/

Christopher Jahn

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 02 okt 2006 22:33:44

"John Burns" <johnburns@telus.net> wrote in
news:hqaUg.45315$bf5.35890@edtnps90:

For me bottom posting
impedes communication as I have to scroll through a lot of
stuff that I have read previously to see the last reply-it
wastes my time and slows down communication.

It's not about you. It's not about me. It's about the person
who doesn't have the rest of the messages available, and thus
can't read through all the prior messages in order.

It's about the fact that Usenet doesn't propogate like mail - so
messages do not always reach ever server, or every server in
order. Since someone on the other side of the planet may only
get this one post, we are supposed to make each post easily
readable and understandable.

And that's why we snip irrelevant text, and post replies under
the quoted text. Because anything else is just damned selfish.

--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

I've learned that no matter how much I care,
some people are just assholes.

James A. Doemer

Re: im confused

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 02 okt 2006 22:41:02

In News hqaUg.45315$bf5.35890@edtnps90,, John Burns at johnburns@telus.net,
typed this:

I think it depends on how your brain sorts things. For me bottom
posting impedes communication as I have to scroll through a lot of
stuff that I have read previously to see the last reply-it wastes my
time and slows down communication.

With most newsreaders, all you have to do is tap your spacebar and it takes
you to the bottom of the post. Since you are using Microsoft Outlook
Express 6.00.2800.1437, that will work.

K0BBE

Re: im confused

Legg inn av K0BBE » 02 okt 2006 23:12:51

James A. Doemer smashed in thee group:

In News hqaUg.45315$bf5.35890@edtnps90,, John Burns at
johnburns@telus.net, typed this:

I think it depends on how your brain sorts things. For me
bottom posting impedes communication as I have to scroll
through a lot of stuff that I have read previously to see the
last reply-it wastes my time and slows down communication.

With most newsreaders, all you have to do is tap your spacebar
and it takes you to the bottom of the post. Since you are
using Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437, that will work.

Nice programm for posting at the bottom of a message:
[ http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/index.html ]

Success.

--
K0BBE
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:: e-adres: incorrect

Dave Hinz

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 03 okt 2006 03:13:39

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:41:01 GMT, John Burns <johnburns@telus.net> wrote:
I think it depends on how your brain sorts things. For me bottom posting
impedes communication as I have to scroll through a lot of stuff

In other words, you object to people leaving in excessive content
without trimming.

that I
have read previously to see the last reply-it wastes my time and slows down
communication. It isn't answers before questions but answers after answers.

Right. Let's follow through your thought then. Where does the guy who
answers the guy who answers you put his stuff? Before his? Before
yours? Why not have:

Point
Refinement to the point
answer to the point & refinement


....and so on?

Trimming can really confuse things for me. It isn't that I decide that a top
post is easier (lazier) to do it just seems like the logical (natural) way
to do it. I repeat, when you E mail someone back and forth do you bottom or
top post?-I suspect most top post.

Email is individual communication. Usenet is _group_ communication.

Liz_in_Calgary

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Liz_in_Calgary » 03 okt 2006 04:54:37

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:05:28 -0500, in alt.genealogy clifto
<clifto@gmail.com> wrote :

sequence. proper a in thinks who you, as such spirit kindred a there's glad
I'm others. as ruts same the in think to forced being to forwards talking
liken I

done well.

Christopher Jahn

Re: im confused

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 03 okt 2006 13:13:45

Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in
news:4odvajFe659nU1@individual.net:

It isn't that I decide that a top
post is easier (lazier) to do it just seems like the logical
(natural) way to do it. I repeat, when you E mail someone
back and forth do you bottom or top post?-I suspect most top
post.

Email is individual communication. Usenet is _group_
communication.

Also, email is DIRECT communication - the message goes directly
from your server to the recipients server.

Usenet does NOT send messages directly anywhere. Messages are
passed randomly from one server to the next. Each NNTP server
only connects to a few others, and each server has its own
schedule of updating and retention.

While this allows massive numbers of messages to be transferred
without choking the internet, it also means that it's not unusual
for messages to arrive out of sequence. That's because each
message takes a completely different route.

--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

A Puritan is someone who is deathly afraid that someone
somewhere is having fun

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