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Brick wall

Legg inn av KMP » 02 sep 2006 17:58:38

I am searching for any information - other than birth date - of my
great-great-grandfather's mother. Her name was Harriett Roberts, born
Sept. 8, 1820 in Martinsburg, Washington County, Indiana. Her parents
were John T. and Esther Roberts, who later raised her son, George
Mifflin Dallas Roberts. She was last listed in the 1850 census, as
Harriett Roberts, with her son George, age 6, living with her parents.
After that I cannot find anything about her. She is not, to the best of
my knowledge buried in the family plot in Martinsburg, as many of her
siblings, as well as her parents and her son are. Most information that
was in the family was lost when my grandfather's estate was auctioned
off in 1984 in Jeffersonville, Indiana (he was John B. Roberts). I
glimpsed some old photographs that may have been George and never got to
see anything underneath them. It's a pity, I started searching my family
history after my grandparents passed on - they probably held a number of
stories that my parents were never told....
Thanks to anyone that can help.
Kathy
Verona NJ

f/fgeorge

Re: Brick wall

Legg inn av f/fgeorge » 02 sep 2006 18:21:44

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:58:38 -0400, KMP <kathybear@comcast.net> wrote:

I am searching for any information - other than birth date - of my
great-great-grandfather's mother. Her name was Harriett Roberts, born
Sept. 8, 1820 in Martinsburg, Washington County, Indiana. Her parents
were John T. and Esther Roberts, who later raised her son, George
Mifflin Dallas Roberts. She was last listed in the 1850 census, as
Harriett Roberts, with her son George, age 6, living with her parents.
After that I cannot find anything about her. She is not, to the best of
my knowledge buried in the family plot in Martinsburg, as many of her
siblings, as well as her parents and her son are. Most information that
was in the family was lost when my grandfather's estate was auctioned
off in 1984 in Jeffersonville, Indiana (he was John B. Roberts). I
glimpsed some old photographs that may have been George and never got to
see anything underneath them. It's a pity, I started searching my family
history after my grandparents passed on - they probably held a number of
stories that my parents were never told....
Thanks to anyone that can help.
Kathy
Verona NJ
Go back and find the son..he may hold the key. Why did the g-parents

raise the son? Was it because the mom is no longer around, in jail,
etc? The mom may even have gotten remarried and didn't want to appear
to old, so let the g-parents raise the son while she went galivanting
around.

Alida Spry

Re: Brick wall

Legg inn av Alida Spry » 02 sep 2006 19:07:21

"KMP" <kathybear@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I am searching for any information - other than birth date - of my
great-great-grandfather's mother. Her name was Harriett Roberts, born
Sept. 8, 1820 in Martinsburg, Washington County, Indiana. Her parents were
John T. and Esther Roberts, who later raised her son, George Mifflin Dallas
Roberts. She was last listed in the 1850 census, as Harriett Roberts, with
her son George, age 6, living with her parents. After that I cannot find
anything about her. She is not, to the best of my knowledge buried in the
family plot in Martinsburg, as many of her siblings, as well as her parents
and her son are. Most information that was in the family was lost when my
grandfather's estate was auctioned off in 1984 in Jeffersonville, Indiana
(he was John B. Roberts). I glimpsed some old photographs that may have
been George and never got to see anything underneath them. It's a pity, I
started searching my family history after my grandparents passed on - they
probably held a number of stories that my parents were never told....
Thanks to anyone that can help.
Kathy
Verona NJ

Kathy,

I have some questions. Was Harriett ever married? Why did her son Goerge
have her surname? Who was his father? Was he illegimate? If that was the
case, then it was common for the woman's parents to raise the illegimate
grandchild as their own son or daughter. Then, what sometimes happened, the
woman would eventually marry and not want to tell of her earlier
indiscretion so her child would remain living with its grandparents.

I know this for a fact because it happened in my own family. To this day,
no one knows who the "real father" was of one of my ancestors. It's not in
my direct line so I'm not that motivated to try to figure it out but I
imagine that it would be virtually impossible unless you came across a diary
or something.

Anyway, are you sure that Harriett is the daughter of John and Ester and not
their daughter-in-law? Maybe her husband died and then she remarried and
her new husband didn't want to raise the child of another man (I'm referring
to George).

I'll see what if anything I can find that might be of help.

Alida

Alida Spry

Re: Brick wall

Legg inn av Alida Spry » 02 sep 2006 19:11:13

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I am searching for any information - other than birth date - of my
great-great-grandfather's mother. Her name was Harriett Roberts, born
Sept. 8, 1820 in Martinsburg, Washington County, Indiana. Her parents were
John T. and Esther Roberts, who later raised her son, George Mifflin
Dallas Roberts. She was last listed in the 1850 census, as Harriett
Roberts, with her son George, age 6, living with her parents. After that I
cannot find anything about her. She is not, to the best of my knowledge
buried in the family plot in Martinsburg, as many of her siblings, as well
as her parents and her son are. Most information that was in the family
was lost when my grandfather's estate was auctioned off in 1984 in
Jeffersonville, Indiana (he was John B. Roberts). I glimpsed some old
photographs that may have been George and never got to see anything
underneath them. It's a pity, I started searching my family history after
my grandparents passed on - they probably held a number of stories that my
parents were never told....
Thanks to anyone that can help.
Kathy
Verona NJ

Kathy,

I have some questions. Was Harriett ever married? Why did her son Goerge
have her surname? Who was his father? Was he illegimate? If that was the
case, then it was common for the woman's parents to raise the illegimate
grandchild as their own son or daughter. Then, what sometimes happened,
the woman would eventually marry and not want to tell of her earlier
indiscretion so her child would remain living with its grandparents.

I know this for a fact because it happened in my own family. To this day,
no one knows who the "real father" was of one of my ancestors. It's not
in my direct line so I'm not that motivated to try to figure it out but I
imagine that it would be virtually impossible unless you came across a
diary or something.

Anyway, are you sure that Harriett is the daughter of John and Ester and
not their daughter-in-law? Maybe her husband died and then she remarried
and her new husband didn't want to raise the child of another man (I'm
referring to George).

I'll see what if anything I can find that might be of help.

Alida


One other thing, the 1850 census that you mentioned in Jackson Twp.,
Washington Co., IN shows George's middle initial as W not M. Of course,
there are lots of errors in the census reports but I was just wondering if
you are sure this is the correct Harriett?

Alida

KMP

Re: Brick wall

Legg inn av KMP » 02 sep 2006 20:46:33

Alida Spry wrote:
"Alida Spry" <a_spry@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I am searching for any information - other than birth date - of my
great-great-grandfather's mother. Her name was Harriett Roberts, born
Sept. 8, 1820 in Martinsburg, Washington County, Indiana. Her parents were
John T. and Esther Roberts, who later raised her son, George Mifflin
Dallas Roberts. She was last listed in the 1850 census, as Harriett
Roberts, with her son George, age 6, living with her parents. After that I
cannot find anything about her. She is not, to the best of my knowledge
buried in the family plot in Martinsburg, as many of her siblings, as well
as her parents and her son are. Most information that was in the family
was lost when my grandfather's estate was auctioned off in 1984 in
Jeffersonville, Indiana (he was John B. Roberts). I glimpsed some old
photographs that may have been George and never got to see anything
underneath them. It's a pity, I started searching my family history after
my grandparents passed on - they probably held a number of stories that my
parents were never told....
Thanks to anyone that can help.
Kathy
Verona NJ
Kathy,

I have some questions. Was Harriett ever married? Why did her son Goerge
have her surname? Who was his father? Was he illegimate? If that was the
case, then it was common for the woman's parents to raise the illegimate
grandchild as their own son or daughter. Then, what sometimes happened,
the woman would eventually marry and not want to tell of her earlier
indiscretion so her child would remain living with its grandparents.

I know this for a fact because it happened in my own family. To this day,
no one knows who the "real father" was of one of my ancestors. It's not
in my direct line so I'm not that motivated to try to figure it out but I
imagine that it would be virtually impossible unless you came across a
diary or something.

Anyway, are you sure that Harriett is the daughter of John and Ester and
not their daughter-in-law? Maybe her husband died and then she remarried
and her new husband didn't want to raise the child of another man (I'm
referring to George).

I'll see what if anything I can find that might be of help.

Alida


One other thing, the 1850 census that you mentioned in Jackson Twp.,
Washington Co., IN shows George's middle initial as W not M. Of course,
there are lots of errors in the census reports but I was just wondering if
you are sure this is the correct Harriett?

Alida


Yep - I have a line from someone else. Lord knows, my records aren't

great, what with computer crashes and mu bad memory about backups. The
son is listed in a book about Jackson Township (it takes in the area
where Martinsburg is) as being raised by his grandparents - after his
parents died, but that may be a polite way of covering up the fact that
he had no legitimate father. The census records I have are in
handwriting and a W , in this man's handwriting could be an M. I'm not
sure how they got census reports back then - did the marshal go out and
get the people to tell him who lived there, or did he go from records or
just hearsay or what? Anybody know? George died in 1920, his son Ulysses
(my great-grandfather) in 1929 and my grandfather in 1984.
Unfortunately, none of them were big storytellers...
Thanks.
Kathy

Alida Spry

Re: Brick wall

Legg inn av Alida Spry » 02 sep 2006 20:52:00

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I am searching for any information - other than birth date - of my
great-great-grandfather's mother. Her name was Harriett Roberts, born
Sept. 8, 1820 in Martinsburg, Washington County, Indiana. Her parents
were John T. and Esther Roberts, who later raised her son, George
Mifflin Dallas Roberts. She was last listed in the 1850 census, as
Harriett Roberts, with her son George, age 6, living with her parents.
After that I cannot find anything about her. She is not, to the best of
my knowledge buried in the family plot in Martinsburg, as many of her
siblings, as well as her parents and her son are. Most information that
was in the family was lost when my grandfather's estate was auctioned
off in 1984 in Jeffersonville, Indiana (he was John B. Roberts). I
glimpsed some old photographs that may have been George and never got
to see anything underneath them. It's a pity, I started searching my
family history after my grandparents passed on - they probably held a
number of stories that my parents were never told....
Thanks to anyone that can help.
Kathy
Verona NJ
Kathy,

I have some questions. Was Harriett ever married? Why did her son
Goerge have her surname? Who was his father? Was he illegimate? If
that was the case, then it was common for the woman's parents to raise
the illegimate grandchild as their own son or daughter. Then, what
sometimes happened, the woman would eventually marry and not want to
tell of her earlier indiscretion so her child would remain living with
its grandparents.

I know this for a fact because it happened in my own family. To this
day, no one knows who the "real father" was of one of my ancestors.
It's not in my direct line so I'm not that motivated to try to figure it
out but I imagine that it would be virtually impossible unless you came
across a diary or something.

Anyway, are you sure that Harriett is the daughter of John and Ester and
not their daughter-in-law? Maybe her husband died and then she
remarried and her new husband didn't want to raise the child of another
man (I'm referring to George).

I'll see what if anything I can find that might be of help.

Alida


One other thing, the 1850 census that you mentioned in Jackson Twp.,
Washington Co., IN shows George's middle initial as W not M. Of course,
there are lots of errors in the census reports but I was just wondering
if you are sure this is the correct Harriett?

Alida
Yep - I have a line from someone else. Lord knows, my records aren't
great, what with computer crashes and mu bad memory about backups. The son
is listed in a book about Jackson Township (it takes in the area where
Martinsburg is) as being raised by his grandparents - after his parents
died, but that may be a polite way of covering up the fact that he had no
legitimate father. The census records I have are in handwriting and a W ,
in this man's handwriting could be an M. I'm not sure how they got census
reports back then - did the marshal go out and get the people to tell him
who lived there, or did he go from records or just hearsay or what?
Anybody know? George died in 1920, his son Ulysses (my great-grandfather)
in 1929 and my grandfather in 1984. Unfortunately, none of them were big
storytellers...
Thanks.
Kathy

Hi Kathy,

When I compared the W and M of that particular census taker's handwriting
from others he wrote on the same page, it definitely looks like a W but,
again, it could just be a mistake.

From what I've heard, the census taker went out to the houses and, if the
people weren't home, he would ask a neighbor for the names, ages, etc. so
the info isn't always correct. I also remember reading that the info was
filled out on a different form and then transferred to the ones that we see
on ancestry.com or other websites. I don't know if that's true but maybe
someone else here could elaborate.

Alida

Huntersglenn

Re: Brick wall

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 02 sep 2006 21:27:22

Have you found the burial site for John T. Roberts? The reason I'm
asking is because it seems he died between 1850 and 1860, and if
something was going around, then he and Harriett could have died at the
same time, and if Esther wasn't left with a lot of money afterward, then
they both might be buried in unmarked graves.

How is it that you know that Harriett was George's mother? The 1850
census doesn't show relationships, so if you're going by that only, then
it's just as likely that Harriett was an aunt and not his mother. Given
John and Esther's ages, they could have had many other children of the
right ages to be George's mother or father. Not questioning your
research, just asking for more details to make searching as thorough as
possible.

Thanks,
Cathy

KMP wrote:
I am searching for any information - other than birth date - of my
great-great-grandfather's mother. Her name was Harriett Roberts, born
Sept. 8, 1820 in Martinsburg, Washington County, Indiana. Her parents
were John T. and Esther Roberts, who later raised her son, George
Mifflin Dallas Roberts. She was last listed in the 1850 census, as
Harriett Roberts, with her son George, age 6, living with her parents.
After that I cannot find anything about her. She is not, to the best of
my knowledge buried in the family plot in Martinsburg, as many of her
siblings, as well as her parents and her son are. Most information that
was in the family was lost when my grandfather's estate was auctioned
off in 1984 in Jeffersonville, Indiana (he was John B. Roberts). I
glimpsed some old photographs that may have been George and never got to
see anything underneath them. It's a pity, I started searching my family
history after my grandparents passed on - they probably held a number of
stories that my parents were never told....
Thanks to anyone that can help.
Kathy
Verona NJ

KMP

Re: Brick wall

Legg inn av KMP » 02 sep 2006 21:46:04

Huntersglenn wrote:
Have you found the burial site for John T. Roberts?
He's buried right beside George and Ulysses in the Roberts plot in the

Martinsburg cemetery. The 1850 census report I got off Ancestry.com,
back when they actually let you look at something with a trial
subscription. Unfortunatyely, I don't know if I saved it to something or
not.... If you have a subscription, could you look up Harriett in the
1850 census? I believe it listed she and George as mother and son.

Alida Spry

Re: Brick wall

Legg inn av Alida Spry » 02 sep 2006 21:46:33

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
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Have you found the burial site for John T. Roberts? The reason I'm asking
is because it seems he died between 1850 and 1860, and if something was
going around, then he and Harriett could have died at the same time, and
if Esther wasn't left with a lot of money afterward, then they both might
be buried in unmarked graves.

How is it that you know that Harriett was George's mother? The 1850
census doesn't show relationships, so if you're going by that only, then
it's just as likely that Harriett was an aunt and not his mother. Given
John and Esther's ages, they could have had many other children of the
right ages to be George's mother or father. Not questioning your
research, just asking for more details to make searching as thorough as
possible.

Thanks,
Cathy

Hi Cathy,


I was thinking along the same lines. Maybe George is not Harriett's son.
Lots of times in my own research, there were nephews, nieces, grandchilren,
cousins etc. showing up in the household of other family members. If I
didn't have other sources, I could easily think that these were children of
the household.

To the other Kathy (the original poster),

In the 1900 census, George indicated that his father was born in Kentucky.
Where did that come from? Do you think he had a suspicion as to who his
father was or maybe it was just another census error.

Alida

f/fgeorge

Re: Brick wall - GeorgeRoberts.pdf (0/1)

Legg inn av f/fgeorge » 02 sep 2006 22:45:02

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:46:04 -0400, KMP <kathybear@comcast.net> wrote:

Huntersglenn wrote:
Have you found the burial site for John T. Roberts?
He's buried right beside George and Ulysses in the Roberts plot in the
Martinsburg cemetery. The 1850 census report I got off Ancestry.com,
back when they actually let you look at something with a trial
subscription. Unfortunatyely, I don't know if I saved it to something or
not.... If you have a subscription, could you look up Harriett in the
1850 census? I believe it listed she and George as mother and son.
Alright I did a search on Hertiga Quest Online, it is free thru my

local library, and in the 1860 Washington Co, Indiana Census it shows
Esther being 75 years old and a widow, with George M. D. Roberts, age
15 living in the same household. It says something under the word
widow but on his line, but I can't translate it sorry.
It says Esther was born in Pa. and George was born in Indiana.
I am enclosing the Census page, they are on lines 17 and 18.

Huntersglenn

Re: Brick wall

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 02 sep 2006 23:54:35

I've got ancestry.com, and the 1850 census does not show the
relationships between John, Esther, Harriett and George. Those weren't
shown until the 1880 Federal census. So, with regard to households in
the 1850, 1860 and 1870 Federal censuses, you can't always say that
everyone in there is related as husband/wife, parents/children, unless
you have other sources to back that up.

In your case, you've got a source (the biography) for George that has
that John and Esther are his grandparents, but that leaves a lot of room
for his parentage. In the 1850 census, there is another Roberts family
living in the household shown right before that of John - and the head
of the household, John Roberts, is 40, and could be their son. There
are a lot of children in his household, and George could be his.

There's also an 18 year old George Roberts in Washington County in that
census, he's an apprentice to George King, a blacksmith in Posey. This
George could also be a son of the older John Roberts.

In the 1870 Federal Census, George's name is written as "G. M. Dalas
Roberts", and his son Ulysses is U.S. Grant Roberts - not that Ulysses
is identified as his son, I'm just using son because you already
mentioned him. George is also listed as 'Dallas Roberts" in the 1920
Federal Census, and it shows his parents as being born in Indiana. Same
listings for name and where parents were born in the 1910 Federal Census.

Have you ordered a copy of George's death certificate? It might have
the names of his parents on it, in the off chance that Harriett is not
his mother. I'd hate for you to be pursuing information on Harriett if
it turned out that one of John and Esther's other children was his
parent, and not her. And, on the flip side, if Harriett is listed as
his mother's name, then that shows that you're on the right track and
trying to discover just what happened to her is worth pursuing.

Thanks for the info on the cemetery.

Cathy



KMP wrote:

Huntersglenn wrote:

Have you found the burial site for John T. Roberts?

He's buried right beside George and Ulysses in the Roberts plot in the
Martinsburg cemetery. The 1850 census report I got off Ancestry.com,
back when they actually let you look at something with a trial
subscription. Unfortunatyely, I don't know if I saved it to something or
not.... If you have a subscription, could you look up Harriett in the
1850 census? I believe it listed she and George as mother and son.

KMP

Re: Brick wall

Legg inn av KMP » 03 sep 2006 00:16:31

Huntersglenn wrote:
I've got ancestry.com, and the 1850 census does not show the
relationships between John, Esther, Harriett and George. Those weren't
shown until the 1880 Federal census. So, with regard to households in
the 1850, 1860 and 1870 Federal censuses, you can't always say that
everyone in there is related as husband/wife, parents/children, unless
you have other sources to back that up.

In your case, you've got a source (the biography) for George that has
that John and Esther are his grandparents, but that leaves a lot of room
for his parentage. In the 1850 census, there is another Roberts family
living in the household shown right before that of John - and the head
of the household, John Roberts, is 40, and could be their son. There
are a lot of children in his household, and George could be his.

There's also an 18 year old George Roberts in Washington County in that
census, he's an apprentice to George King, a blacksmith in Posey. This
George could also be a son of the older John Roberts.

In the 1870 Federal Census, George's name is written as "G. M. Dalas
Roberts", and his son Ulysses is U.S. Grant Roberts - not that Ulysses
is identified as his son, I'm just using son because you already
mentioned him. George is also listed as 'Dallas Roberts" in the 1920
Federal Census, and it shows his parents as being born in Indiana. Same
listings for name and where parents were born in the 1910 Federal Census.

Have you ordered a copy of George's death certificate? It might have
the names of his parents on it, in the off chance that Harriett is not
his mother. I'd hate for you to be pursuing information on Harriett if
it turned out that one of John and Esther's other children was his
parent, and not her. And, on the flip side, if Harriett is listed as
his mother's name, then that shows that you're on the right track and
trying to discover just what happened to her is worth pursuing.

Thanks for the info on the cemetery.

Cathy
I do have George's death certificate and his marriage license - neither

has his father's name - maybe it's the death certificate that has his
mom's name as Harriet - John is one of John T.'s sons - he was born in
1809 on my list - in Virginia. John T.(it looks like F. on the census
form that has George as George W.) and Esther moved from N.C., by way of
Va. I think, cause that's where I have them being married, to Ky. then
to Indiana where the family stayed put until my grandfather. And he's
buried there... The death certificate is packed away somewhere, so I'll
have to look at it again. My mom said her great grandfather was referred
to as Mifflin, but his tombstone has Dallas and his Civil War records
have him as George M.D. He was apparently named after the
Vice-presidential candidate with James Polk the year he was born in
1844. The name is fairly odd - not too many kids named that - not like
Lincoln or Washington or even McKinley (three of my great uncles on my
father's side). The son went by Grant and that is what is on his
tombstone. The Martinsburg cemetery has a lot of the Roberts men that
were John T.'s sons - there are Dennys and Cooleys there, too - Barthena
Cooley married Dallas.
Thanks for the info.
Kathy
(who should probably start digging around in the family history some
more - my mom is 77 now...)

KMP

Re: Brick wall

Legg inn av KMP » 03 sep 2006 00:22:20

Huntersglenn wrote:
I've got ancestry.com, and the 1850 census does not show the
relationships between John, Esther, Harriett and George. Those weren't
shown until the 1880 Federal census. So, with regard to households in
the 1850, 1860 and 1870 Federal censuses, you can't always say that
everyone in there is related as husband/wife, parents/children, unless
you have other sources to back that up.

In your case, you've got a source (the biography) for George that has
that John and Esther are his grandparents, but that leaves a lot of room
for his parentage. In the 1850 census, there is another Roberts family
living in the household shown right before that of John - and the head
of the household, John Roberts, is 40, and could be their son. There
are a lot of children in his household, and George could be his.

There's also an 18 year old George Roberts in Washington County in that
census, he's an apprentice to George King, a blacksmith in Posey. This
George could also be a son of the older John Roberts.

In the 1870 Federal Census, George's name is written as "G. M. Dalas
Roberts", and his son Ulysses is U.S. Grant Roberts - not that Ulysses
is identified as his son, I'm just using son because you already
mentioned him. George is also listed as 'Dallas Roberts" in the 1920
Federal Census, and it shows his parents as being born in Indiana. Same
listings for name and where parents were born in the 1910 Federal Census.

Have you ordered a copy of George's death certificate? It might have
the names of his parents on it, in the off chance that Harriett is not
his mother. I'd hate for you to be pursuing information on Harriett if
it turned out that one of John and Esther's other children was his
parent, and not her. And, on the flip side, if Harriett is listed as
his mother's name, then that shows that you're on the right track and
trying to discover just what happened to her is worth pursuing.

Thanks for the info on the cemetery.

Cathy
I do have George's death certificate and his marriage license - neither

has his father's name - maybe it's the death certificate that has his
mom's name as Harriet - John is one of John T.'s sons - he was born in
1809 on my list - in Virginia. John T.(it looks like F. on the census
form that has George as George W.) and Esther moved from N.C., by way of
Va. I think, cause that's where I have them being married, to Ky. then
to Indiana where the family stayed put until my grandfather. And he's
buried there... The death certificate is packed away somewhere, so I'll
have to look at it again. My mom said her great grandfather was referred
to as Mifflin, but his tombstone has Dallas and his Civil War records
have him as George M.D. He was apparently named after the
Vice-presidential candidate with James Polk the year he was born in
1844. The name is fairly odd - not too many kids named that - not like
Lincoln or Washington or even McKinley (three of my great uncles on my
father's side). The son went by Grant and that is what is on his
tombstone. The Martinsburg cemetery has a lot of the Roberts men that
were John T.'s sons - there are Dennys and Cooleys there, too - Barthena
Cooley married Dallas.
Thanks for the info.
Kathy
(who should probably start digging around in the family history some
more - my mom is 77 now...)

Henry Brownlee

Re: Brick wall - GeorgeRoberts.pdf (0/1)

Legg inn av Henry Brownlee » 03 sep 2006 06:22:20

"f/fgeorge" <ffgeorge@yourplace.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:46:04 -0400, KMP <kathybear@comcast.net
wrote:

Huntersglenn wrote:
Have you found the burial site for John T. Roberts?
He's buried right beside George and Ulysses in the Roberts plot in
the
Martinsburg cemetery. The 1850 census report I got off
Ancestry.com,
back when they actually let you look at something with a trial
subscription. Unfortunatyely, I don't know if I saved it to
something or
not.... If you have a subscription, could you look up Harriett in
the
1850 census? I believe it listed she and George as mother and son.
Alright I did a search on Hertiga Quest Online, it is free thru my
local library, and in the 1860 Washington Co, Indiana Census it
shows
Esther being 75 years old and a widow, with George M. D. Roberts,
age
15 living in the same household. It says something under the word
widow but on his line, but I can't translate it sorry.
It says Esther was born in Pa. and George was born in Indiana.
I am enclosing the Census page, they are on lines 17 and 18.


It lists George's occupation as Wool Carder.

--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana

f/fgeorge

Re: Brick wall - GeorgeRoberts.pdf (0/1)

Legg inn av f/fgeorge » 03 sep 2006 13:57:02

On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 00:22:20 -0500, "Henry Brownlee"
<hfbrownl@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"f/fgeorge" <ffgeorge@yourplace.com> wrote in message
news:5lujf25pukj0jdahem1c19jiua6bfc6h7l@4ax.com...
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:46:04 -0400, KMP <kathybear@comcast.net
wrote:

Huntersglenn wrote:
Have you found the burial site for John T. Roberts?
He's buried right beside George and Ulysses in the Roberts plot in
the
Martinsburg cemetery. The 1850 census report I got off
Ancestry.com,
back when they actually let you look at something with a trial
subscription. Unfortunatyely, I don't know if I saved it to
something or
not.... If you have a subscription, could you look up Harriett in
the
1850 census? I believe it listed she and George as mother and son.
Alright I did a search on Hertiga Quest Online, it is free thru my
local library, and in the 1860 Washington Co, Indiana Census it
shows
Esther being 75 years old and a widow, with George M. D. Roberts,
age
15 living in the same household. It says something under the word
widow but on his line, but I can't translate it sorry.
It says Esther was born in Pa. and George was born in Indiana.
I am enclosing the Census page, they are on lines 17 and 18.


It lists George's occupation as Wool Carder.
You have much better figuring out skills than I do, thanks!!!

KMP

Re: Brick wall - GeorgeRoberts.pdf (0/1)

Legg inn av KMP » 03 sep 2006 17:51:23

It lists George's occupation as Wool Carder.

Thanks - I knew that - it's on his Civil War pension records. His

biography says he made shale tiles, in addition to being a wool carder.
Most of this before he was 18 and enlisted in the army...And we think we
have it tough sometimes...

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