what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

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David Rowell

what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av David Rowell » 11 aug 2006 23:22:04

I keep running in to 'Jno' as a given name in old census images.
Sometimes the enumerator has gone to great pains to write the 'o' in a
superscript position.

Gordon

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Gordon » 11 aug 2006 23:51:45

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:22:04 GMT, David Rowell
<djrpublic@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

I keep running in to 'Jno' as a given name in old census images.
Sometimes the enumerator has gone to great pains to write the 'o' in a
superscript position.

Jno. is an old fashioned short form of the name John. I never

have understood this, but I've run into it many times.

Gordon

KMP

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av KMP » 12 aug 2006 00:17:35

Gordon wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:22:04 GMT, David Rowell
djrpublic@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

I keep running in to 'Jno' as a given name in old census images.
Sometimes the enumerator has gone to great pains to write the 'o' in a
superscript position.

Jno. is an old fashioned short form of the name John. I never
have understood this, but I've run into it many times.

Gordon
Could be Jonathan.

John Burns

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av John Burns » 12 aug 2006 00:27:53

It is always John
"KMP" <kathybear@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Gordon wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:22:04 GMT, David Rowell
djrpublic@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

I keep running in to 'Jno' as a given name in old census images.
Sometimes the enumerator has gone to great pains to write the 'o' in a
superscript position.

Jno. is an old fashioned short form of the name John. I never
have understood this, but I've run into it many times.

Gordon
Could be Jonathan.

Ben Achee

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Ben Achee » 12 aug 2006 01:53:57

It is an abbreviation for "John".

Ben

"David Rowell" <djrpublic@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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I keep running in to 'Jno' as a given name in old census images. Sometimes
the enumerator has gone to great pains to write the 'o' in a superscript
position.

Graeme Wall

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Graeme Wall » 14 aug 2006 17:54:27

In message <seednWxtqZOSjUDZnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com>
KMP <kathybear@comcast.net> wrote:

Gordon wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:22:04 GMT, David Rowell
djrpublic@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

I keep running in to 'Jno' as a given name in old census images.
Sometimes the enumerator has gone to great pains to write the 'o' in a
superscript position.

Jno. is an old fashioned short form of the name John. I never
have understood this, but I've run into it many times.

Gordon
Could be Jonathan.

No, it is always John, a short form of the latin version of the name.

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David Rowell

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av David Rowell » 14 aug 2006 20:42:08

A big helping of Thank You to all who responded.

David Rowell wrote:
I keep running in to 'Jno' as a given name in old census images.
Sometimes the enumerator has gone to great pains to write the 'o' in a
superscript position.

Steve Hayes

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 16 aug 2006 06:02:27

John.

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Jane Benn

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Jane Benn » 21 aug 2006 17:20:11

Graeme Wall wrote:
In message <seednWxtqZOSjUDZnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com
KMP <kathybear@comcast.net> wrote:

Gordon wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:22:04 GMT, David Rowell
djrpublic@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

I keep running in to 'Jno' as a given name in old census images.
Sometimes the enumerator has gone to great pains to write the 'o'
in a superscript position.

Jno. is an old fashioned short form of the name John. I never
have understood this, but I've run into it many times.

Gordon
Could be Jonathan.

No, it is always John, a short form of the latin version of the name.

I beg to differ. It was used for my gg grandfather in at least one census,
and a newspaper obituary, and his name, (according to both the family bible,
and the church baptismal record) was Jonathon. So now I look for both John
and Jonathon whenever I see that abbreviation.

--
Jane

mickg

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av mickg » 22 aug 2006 00:29:35

Jane Benn wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
In message <seednWxtqZOSjUDZnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com
KMP <kathybear@comcast.net> wrote:

Gordon wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:22:04 GMT, David Rowell
djrpublic@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

I keep running in to 'Jno' as a given name in old census images.
Sometimes the enumerator has gone to great pains to write the 'o'
in a superscript position.

Jno. is an old fashioned short form of the name John. I never
have understood this, but I've run into it many times.

Gordon
Could be Jonathan.
No, it is always John, a short form of the latin version of the name.

I beg to differ. It was used for my gg grandfather in at least one census,
and a newspaper obituary, and his name, (according to both the family bible,
and the church baptismal record) was Jonathon. So now I look for both John
and Jonathon whenever I see that abbreviation.


Well let's assume GG Grandfather was commonly referred to by friends and
family as John despite his formal name.

Let's equally assume that when the census ennumerator arrived to as who
was present in the house overnight on the Nth. of census month.

Also the person who did give the ennumerator the list simply used the
name John instead of expanding it and the ennumerator wrote that down
without question.

Now a transcriber gets this as the one hundred and twenty twelfth paper
he's transcribing and he decides to use the oft used abbreviation of Jno
instead of writing one extra letter.

Possible?

MickG

Fred L Adams

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Fred L Adams » 22 aug 2006 18:04:40

It's also possible that you are wrong, include Johann
"mickg" <mickgNoSpam@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Jane Benn wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
In message <seednWxtqZOSjUDZnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com
KMP <kathybear@comcast.net> wrote:

Gordon wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:22:04 GMT, David Rowell
djrpublic@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

I keep running in to 'Jno' as a given name in old census images.
Sometimes the enumerator has gone to great pains to write the 'o'
in a superscript position.

Jno. is an old fashioned short form of the name John. I never
have understood this, but I've run into it many times.

Gordon
Could be Jonathan.
No, it is always John, a short form of the latin version of the name.

I beg to differ. It was used for my gg grandfather in at least one
census, and a newspaper obituary, and his name, (according to both the
family bible, and the church baptismal record) was Jonathon. So now I
look for both John and Jonathon whenever I see that abbreviation.


Well let's assume GG Grandfather was commonly referred to by friends and
family as John despite his formal name.

Let's equally assume that when the census ennumerator arrived to as who
was present in the house overnight on the Nth. of census month.

Also the person who did give the ennumerator the list simply used the name
John instead of expanding it and the ennumerator wrote that down without
question.

Now a transcriber gets this as the one hundred and twenty twelfth paper
he's transcribing and he decides to use the oft used abbreviation of Jno
instead of writing one extra letter.

Possible?

MickG

Christopher Jahn

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 22 aug 2006 23:57:06

"Fred L Adams" <fladams@tminet.com> wrote in
news:aJOdnQztEf60pHbZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@sti.net:

It's also possible that you are wrong, include Johann

They are not wrong:

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/givennames2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ab ... _for_names

"jno." is absolutely a contraction used on the US Census
exclusively for "john", just as "wm" is "william" and "jos." is
"joseph."

"John" is, however, the anglicized version of "Johann."

AS for the "Jonathon" theory; figure that most "jonathons" go by
"jon", and that the enumeratory probably talked to a neighbor.

"What, across the street? That's old John Dickinson and his
family."


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Celia Mitschelen

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Celia Mitschelen » 23 aug 2006 02:58:26

"Fred L Adams" <fladams@tminet.com> wrote in message
news:aJOdnQztEf60pHbZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@sti.net...
It's also possible that you are wrong, include Johann

I don't think so, it is not a German abbreviation.

Celia

Jane Benn

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Jane Benn » 23 aug 2006 10:42:40

mickg wrote:
Jane Benn wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
In message <seednWxtqZOSjUDZnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com
KMP <kathybear@comcast.net> wrote:

Gordon wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:22:04 GMT, David Rowell
djrpublic@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

I keep running in to 'Jno' as a given name in old census images.
Sometimes the enumerator has gone to great pains to write the 'o'
in a superscript position.

Jno. is an old fashioned short form of the name John. I never
have understood this, but I've run into it many times.

Gordon
Could be Jonathan.
No, it is always John, a short form of the latin version of the
name.

I beg to differ. It was used for my gg grandfather in at least one
census, and a newspaper obituary, and his name, (according to both
the family bible, and the church baptismal record) was Jonathon. So
now I look for both John and Jonathon whenever I see that
abbreviation.

Well let's assume GG Grandfather was commonly referred to by friends
and family as John despite his formal name.

Let's equally assume that when the census ennumerator arrived to as
who was present in the house overnight on the Nth. of census month.

Also the person who did give the ennumerator the list simply used the
name John instead of expanding it and the ennumerator wrote that down
without question.

Now a transcriber gets this as the one hundred and twenty twelfth
paper he's transcribing and he decides to use the oft used
abbreviation of Jno instead of writing one extra letter.

Possible?

MickG

I suppose that is possible, although it doesn't explain the newspaper
obituary. But the point is that Jno is not ALWAYS used for John. Whether it
is used in error for Jonathon, or because it was a legitimate short form for
it is immaterial. You should check for both names until you can establish
the correct name.

--
Jane

Steve Hayes

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 28 aug 2006 18:15:21

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:04:40 -0700, "Fred L Adams" <fladams@tminet.com> wrote:

It's also possible that you are wrong, include Johann

Who is "you"?

Who is wrong? Mickg, Graeme, Jane or Gordon?

What are they wrong about?

Another example of the confusion caused by top-posting!


"mickg" <mickgNoSpam@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:zlrGg.6884$Tg1.1081@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...


Jane Benn wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
In message <seednWxtqZOSjUDZnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com
KMP <kathybear@comcast.net> wrote:

Gordon wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:22:04 GMT, David Rowell
djrpublic@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

I keep running in to 'Jno' as a given name in old census images.
Sometimes the enumerator has gone to great pains to write the 'o'
in a superscript position.

Jno. is an old fashioned short form of the name John. I never
have understood this, but I've run into it many times.

Gordon
Could be Jonathan.
No, it is always John, a short form of the latin version of the name.

I beg to differ. It was used for my gg grandfather in at least one
census, and a newspaper obituary, and his name, (according to both the
family bible, and the church baptismal record) was Jonathon. So now I
look for both John and Jonathon whenever I see that abbreviation.


Well let's assume GG Grandfather was commonly referred to by friends and
family as John despite his formal name.

Let's equally assume that when the census ennumerator arrived to as who
was present in the house overnight on the Nth. of census month.

Also the person who did give the ennumerator the list simply used the name
John instead of expanding it and the ennumerator wrote that down without
question.

Now a transcriber gets this as the one hundred and twenty twelfth paper
he's transcribing and he decides to use the oft used abbreviation of Jno
instead of writing one extra letter.

Possible?

MickG


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Steve Hayes

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 28 aug 2006 18:15:27

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:42:40 -0400, "Jane Benn" <nospamplease99@rogers.com>
wrote:

I suppose that is possible, although it doesn't explain the newspaper
obituary. But the point is that Jno is not ALWAYS used for John. Whether it
is used in error for Jonathon, or because it was a legitimate short form for
it is immaterial. You should check for both names until you can establish
the correct name.

It is normally/usually used for John/Johannes.

If it is used for Jonathon, is it also used for the more common Jonathan?


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Sharon

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Sharon » 28 aug 2006 22:25:23

Try improper snipping which even YOU failed to do.

Sharon

----- Original Message ----
From: Steve Hayes <hayesmstw@hotmail.com>
To: ALT-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:15:21 AM
Subject: Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Another example of the confusion caused by top-posting!

Dave Hinz

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 28 aug 2006 22:51:04

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:20:18 +0000 (UTC), Sharon <sussmol@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Try improper snipping which even YOU failed to do.

At least he doesn't top-post. As you have done, and now I can't quote
his comments in any kind of rational context due to your improper
quoting style.

Are you trying to communicate here? Because the way you're doing it,
isn't working.

Gordon

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Gordon » 28 aug 2006 23:17:42

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:20:18 +0000 (UTC), sussmol@yahoo.ca
(Sharon) wrote:

Try improper snipping which even YOU failed to do.

Sharon

Let me see if I have this right...Steve failed to do improper

snipping, and you are criticizing him for this failure to
improperly snip? I'm still confused???

clifto

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av clifto » 29 aug 2006 02:07:08

Sharon wrote:
Try improper snipping which even YOU failed to do.

Exactly where was he supposed to snip?

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Christopher Jahn

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 29 aug 2006 02:55:10

clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in news:sigcs3-opc.ln1
@remote.clifto.com:

Sharon wrote:
Try improper snipping which even YOU failed to do.

Exactly where was he supposed to snip?


Everything not relevant to his reply. If he's only replying to
ONE point in a post that has FIVE points, he should only quote
the one point he's responding to.

It's not rocket science.



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Steve Hayes

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 29 aug 2006 04:18:16

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:55:10 -0500, Christopher Jahn <xjahn@yahoo.com> wrote:

clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in news:sigcs3-opc.ln1
@remote.clifto.com:

Sharon wrote:
Try improper snipping which even YOU failed to do.

Exactly where was he supposed to snip?


Everything not relevant to his reply. If he's only replying to
ONE point in a post that has FIVE points, he should only quote
the one point he's responding to.

It's not rocket science.

But is it improper?


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clifto

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av clifto » 29 aug 2006 05:43:02

Christopher Jahn wrote:
clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
Sharon wrote:
Try improper snipping which even YOU failed to do.

Exactly where was he supposed to snip?

Everything not relevant to his reply.

Go back and look at the post in question.
<4596f2lhckcbeqf342am0s7lvv9pijrg2q@4ax.com>

He quoted everything because it was all topical to his questions. There
was no logical place to snip if any quoting at all was to be done. Sharon
faulted him for not snipping, probably because she didn't underztand
what was going on around her.

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Christopher Jahn

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 29 aug 2006 11:31:52

Steve Hayes <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:0fc7f21bffkvkvd2bsks3d3oqr69nupd01@4ax.com:

It's not rocket science.

But is it improper?

It was excessive and unnecessary, and therefore improper.

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He was so narrow-minded he could see through a keyhole with both
eyes.

Christopher Jahn

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 29 aug 2006 11:46:12

clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in
news:m7tcs3-bid.ln1@remote.clifto.com:

Christopher Jahn wrote:
clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
Sharon wrote:
Try improper snipping which even YOU failed to do.

Exactly where was he supposed to snip?

Everything not relevant to his reply.

Go back and look at the post in question.
4596f2lhckcbeqf342am0s7lvv9pijrg2q@4ax.com

He quoted everything because it was all topical to his
questions.

Topical, yes, but not necessary to establish the points he's
making. The point is that the point could have been made without
quoting 64 lines of text.

See how it works? We select the specific issue we're addressing,
and snip the rest.

But I agree that the REAL problem is the top-posting. In properly
formatted communication, you have a question, followed by a
response. You quote the material you are responding too, and then
your response.

It gives CONTEXT, and context is absolutely necessary for clear
communications.


Sharon faulted him for not snipping, probably because she didn't
underztand what was going on around her.

Not at all surprising with all the fricking top-posting going on.




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Steve Hayes

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 29 aug 2006 12:39:26

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:31:52 -0500, Christopher Jahn <xjahn@yahoo.com> wrote:

Steve Hayes <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:0fc7f21bffkvkvd2bsks3d3oqr69nupd01@4ax.com:

It's not rocket science.

But is it improper?

It was excessive and unnecessary, and therefore improper.

Actually, I didn't snip at all, so I fail see how my snipping was excessive an
unnecessary, and therefore impropoer, but the other poster said that I should
try improper snipping.

I suggest that the two of you get together and decide what you want.


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Jane Benn

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Jane Benn » 29 aug 2006 18:56:10

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:42:40 -0400, "Jane Benn"
nospamplease99@rogers.com> wrote:

I suppose that is possible, although it doesn't explain the newspaper
obituary. But the point is that Jno is not ALWAYS used for John.
Whether it is used in error for Jonathon, or because it was a
legitimate short form for it is immaterial. You should check for
both names until you can establish the correct name.

It is normally/usually used for John/Johannes.

If it is used for Jonathon, is it also used for the more common
Jonathan?

I haven't come across that, but you never know what people might do in using
abbreviations or even spellings.

I had also previously only seen this particular abbreviation used for John,
so that is what I was expecting to find, until I happened across the actual
name. And the ggg grandmother who wrote in the family Bible had beautiful
and clear handwriting, so there is no possibility that I misread the entry.
It really was spelled with the second "o".
--
Jane

singhals

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av singhals » 29 aug 2006 19:23:04

Christopher Jahn wrote:

clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in news:sigcs3-opc.ln1
@remote.clifto.com:


Sharon wrote:

Try improper snipping which even YOU failed to do.

Exactly where was he supposed to snip?



Everything not relevant to his reply. If he's only replying to
ONE point in a post that has FIVE points, he should only quote
the one point he's responding to.

It's not rocket science.




Thus, if I may say so, ruining the continuity and context for new-comers
as thoroughly as top-posting is said to do.

Cheryl

Christopher Jahn

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 29 aug 2006 19:32:30

singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote in
news:44F48608.6070703@erols.com:

Christopher Jahn wrote:

clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in news:sigcs3-opc.ln1
@remote.clifto.com:

Exactly where was he supposed to snip?

Everything not relevant to his reply. If he's only replying
to ONE point in a post that has FIVE points, he should only
quote the one point he's responding to.


Thus, if I may say so, ruining the continuity and context for
new-comers as thoroughly as top-posting is said to do.

If only ONE point is being addressed, including points that are
NOT being addressed adds NOTHING to the conversation.
Irrelevance never enhances continuity or context.



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Anything I do is purely coincidental.

Steve Hayes

Re: what name is shortened to 'Jno'?

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 30 aug 2006 04:48:52

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:56:10 -0400, "Jane Benn" <nospamplease99@rogers.com>
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote:
If it is used for Jonathon, is it also used for the more common
Jonathan?

I haven't come across that, but you never know what people might do in using
abbreviations or even spellings.

I have come across the spelling Jonathon, but very rarely. Most seem to use
the spelling Jonathan. None of them have used the abbreviation Jno.


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