Is this the event recording program I've been looking for?
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Steve Hayes
Is this the event recording program I've been looking for?
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
I've tried to create my own using some of the commercial programs available
like Paradox, but they change and become obsolete before I can learn to use
them properly.
I've recorded a lot of my notes in text database programs like askSam and
Inmagic, but, useful as they are, they all don't seem to be able to do quite
what I want -- record events with all the people involved in them in various
capacities.
Then I heard that The Master Genealogist could do what I wanted to do, and I
bought a copy and was able to use it long enough to get my hopes up before it
crashed, and when it crashed every time I tried to use it, I gave up.
Finally, a couple of days ago, I bought the December Issue (No 32) of "Your
Family History" magazine and it had a trial version of a program called
Genota.
This seems to come the closest yet.
Has anyone out there used it? Would any users like to write a review?
I've only just started trying it, but it only has a trial period of 15 days
(the blurb said 20 records, but that turned out to be wrong), and what usually
happens with these things is that I install it and start looking at it, and
all sorts of other things come up, and the next time I get a chance to look at
the trial period has expired.
So I would like to hear about the experience of other users.
It has a main note page, where you enter notes from various sources.
Then you can link people to it (and it can also link these to the Legacy
database by entering their RINs.
You can link it to documents in libraries, repositories, in paper files or on
your disk or network.
You can link it to a correspondence or research log.
At first sight it seems very useful, and a good tool for organising one's
genealogy research.
Unlike many general database programs, it is specifically designed for
genealogy, and so may be more useful than most.
But I'm not sure that it is exactly the kind of program I'm looking for.
It's note based, not event based. You can link people and events to notes, but
if there's more than one event referred to in the note, you have to enter the
person again and again for each event. The event is part of the person
information, and not separate.
Also, it seems to want exact dates. you can't (apparently) say c. 1847. Or
1849-1852. It wants a day, month and year, so when your source gives a Month
and Year, you have to select an arbitrary day, which can be misleading (One
advantage of askSam and Inmagic is that they can handle partial dates well),
without the need to write a user-defined functions (which most relational
databases seem to need).
Another problem is that the list of events one can choose from seems to be
fixed, and seems to offer strange choices. It has "ticket of leave", but not
"Divorce" (though it will accept "Divorce" if you type it in, but won't add it
to the list).
But it is the one that comes closest yet to the kind of thing I'm looking for.
Can any other usetrs share their experiences?
[ follow-ups set to soc.genealogy.computers ]
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
I've tried to create my own using some of the commercial programs available
like Paradox, but they change and become obsolete before I can learn to use
them properly.
I've recorded a lot of my notes in text database programs like askSam and
Inmagic, but, useful as they are, they all don't seem to be able to do quite
what I want -- record events with all the people involved in them in various
capacities.
Then I heard that The Master Genealogist could do what I wanted to do, and I
bought a copy and was able to use it long enough to get my hopes up before it
crashed, and when it crashed every time I tried to use it, I gave up.
Finally, a couple of days ago, I bought the December Issue (No 32) of "Your
Family History" magazine and it had a trial version of a program called
Genota.
This seems to come the closest yet.
Has anyone out there used it? Would any users like to write a review?
I've only just started trying it, but it only has a trial period of 15 days
(the blurb said 20 records, but that turned out to be wrong), and what usually
happens with these things is that I install it and start looking at it, and
all sorts of other things come up, and the next time I get a chance to look at
the trial period has expired.
So I would like to hear about the experience of other users.
It has a main note page, where you enter notes from various sources.
Then you can link people to it (and it can also link these to the Legacy
database by entering their RINs.
You can link it to documents in libraries, repositories, in paper files or on
your disk or network.
You can link it to a correspondence or research log.
At first sight it seems very useful, and a good tool for organising one's
genealogy research.
Unlike many general database programs, it is specifically designed for
genealogy, and so may be more useful than most.
But I'm not sure that it is exactly the kind of program I'm looking for.
It's note based, not event based. You can link people and events to notes, but
if there's more than one event referred to in the note, you have to enter the
person again and again for each event. The event is part of the person
information, and not separate.
Also, it seems to want exact dates. you can't (apparently) say c. 1847. Or
1849-1852. It wants a day, month and year, so when your source gives a Month
and Year, you have to select an arbitrary day, which can be misleading (One
advantage of askSam and Inmagic is that they can handle partial dates well),
without the need to write a user-defined functions (which most relational
databases seem to need).
Another problem is that the list of events one can choose from seems to be
fixed, and seems to offer strange choices. It has "ticket of leave", but not
"Divorce" (though it will accept "Divorce" if you type it in, but won't add it
to the list).
But it is the one that comes closest yet to the kind of thing I'm looking for.
Can any other usetrs share their experiences?
[ follow-ups set to soc.genealogy.computers ]
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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Phil Hawkins
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
Steve Hayes wrote:
contains? It seems like an advertising email to me
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
I've tried to create my own using some of the commercial programs available
like Paradox, but they change and become obsolete before I can learn to use
them properly.
I've recorded a lot of my notes in text database programs like askSam and
Inmagic, but, useful as they are, they all don't seem to be able to do quite
what I want -- record events with all the people involved in them in various
capacities.
Then I heard that The Master Genealogist could do what I wanted to do, and I
bought a copy and was able to use it long enough to get my hopes up before it
crashed, and when it crashed every time I tried to use it, I gave up.
Finally, a couple of days ago, I bought the December Issue (No 32) of "Your
Family History" magazine and it had a trial version of a program called
Genota.
This seems to come the closest yet.
Has anyone out there used it? Would any users like to write a review?
I've only just started trying it, but it only has a trial period of 15 days
(the blurb said 20 records, but that turned out to be wrong), and what usually
happens with these things is that I install it and start looking at it, and
all sorts of other things come up, and the next time I get a chance to look at
the trial period has expired.
So I would like to hear about the experience of other users.
It has a main note page, where you enter notes from various sources.
Then you can link people to it (and it can also link these to the Legacy
database by entering their RINs.
You can link it to documents in libraries, repositories, in paper files or on
your disk or network.
You can link it to a correspondence or research log.
At first sight it seems very useful, and a good tool for organising one's
genealogy research.
Unlike many general database programs, it is specifically designed for
genealogy, and so may be more useful than most.
But I'm not sure that it is exactly the kind of program I'm looking for.
It's note based, not event based. You can link people and events to notes, but
if there's more than one event referred to in the note, you have to enter the
person again and again for each event. The event is part of the person
information, and not separate.
Also, it seems to want exact dates. you can't (apparently) say c. 1847. Or
1849-1852. It wants a day, month and year, so when your source gives a Month
and Year, you have to select an arbitrary day, which can be misleading (One
advantage of askSam and Inmagic is that they can handle partial dates well),
without the need to write a user-defined functions (which most relational
databases seem to need).
Another problem is that the list of events one can choose from seems to be
fixed, and seems to offer strange choices. It has "ticket of leave", but not
"Divorce" (though it will accept "Divorce" if you type it in, but won't add it
to the list).
But it is the one that comes closest yet to the kind of thing I'm looking for.
Can any other usetrs share their experiences?
[ follow-ups set to soc.genealogy.computers ]
If he has only started using it , then how does he know all that it
contains? It seems like an advertising email to me
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Lesley Robertson
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
"Phil Hawkins" <cyclopsphil@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:43D0BE1A.6040500@iinet.net.au...
He's presumably read all the blurbs. Steve's not someone who'd spam the
group, believe me.
Lesley Robertson
news:43D0BE1A.6040500@iinet.net.au...
Steve Hayes wrote:
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording
program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data. I've tried to
create my own using some of the commercial programs available
like Paradox, but they change and become obsolete before I can learn to
use
them properly. But it is the one that comes closest yet to the kind of
thing I'm looking for.
Can any other usetrs share their experiences?
[ follow-ups set to soc.genealogy.computers ]
If he has only started using it , then how does he know all that it
contains? It seems like an advertising email to me
He's presumably read all the blurbs. Steve's not someone who'd spam the
group, believe me.
Lesley Robertson
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David
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
Phil Hawkins wrote:
That's Steve. He reads completely up on things.
If he has only started using it , then how does he know all that it
contains? It seems like an advertising email to me
That's Steve. He reads completely up on things.
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Hugh Watkins
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
David wrote:
or he is a spammer posting the same message on many groups
Hugh W
Phil Hawkins wrote:
If he has only started using it , then how does he know all that it
contains? It seems like an advertising email to me
That's Steve. He reads completely up on things.
or he is a spammer posting the same message on many groups
Hugh W
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Christopher Jahn
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in
news:43c5aeF1m2s4uU2@individual.net:
We know Steve.
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}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html
Win a live rat for your mother-in-law!
news:43c5aeF1m2s4uU2@individual.net:
David wrote:
Phil Hawkins wrote:
If he has only started using it , then how does he know all
that it contains? It seems like an advertising email to me
That's Steve. He reads completely up on things.
or he is a spammer posting the same message on many groups
We know Steve.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html
Win a live rat for your mother-in-law!
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J. Hugh Sullivan
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:10:33 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:
[huge snip] or [hugh snip] if you prefer.
I have done two things - well, a lot of things but I'll only mention
two...
1. I have arranged every fact found on Sullivans in VA and NC, from
creation to about 1835, in chrono order by State and date with the
county listed. I use MS Word to combine these in any fashion I choose
to discern patterns. I also have a listing of the dates of county
formation as an aid.
Sample which appears better on 8 1/2" x 11" with tabs.
NORTH CAROLINA CHRONOLOGY
1674 Albemarle Darby Sullivan in co. - probably from New Kent
Co. VA
1702 Chowan Richard Prince claimed headrights for
Daniel Sullivant and wife Alice, also Eliz., Lucas, and Jeremy
Sullivant. This entry was listed under misc. items of Albemarle and
Chowan.
1702 Chowan Daniel Sullivant and wife Alice, Elizabeth,
Lucas and Jeremy Sullivant testified in will of John Owen in
Bertie Co. in August
et alii
I also list a number after the fact which relates to the source of the
fact.
2. I have recorded census records of every Sullivan (and some
peripheral lines) for pertinent periods in like chrono order. I also
recorded for SC and AL. I added pre-census people based on published
research by Laihona and my and others research. Again I use MS Word to
combine and discover patterns.
Sample...
1790 NORTH CAROLINA - SULLIVAN
DIRECT LINE - PESUMED RELATIVES (in different colors on actual form)
Census Takers were to record the family as it existed on the first
Monday in August
NAME COUNTY >16 <16 FEM NOTES
SULIVAN LAMBETH BEAUFORT 1 2 4
Son of Lambouth ?
SULIVAN RICHARD BEAUFORT 1 - 1
Son of Lambeth
SULLIVAN JOHN BERTIE 2 3 5 VA?
SYLIVAN JOHN BERTIE 2 3 5
SYLIVAN MARTHA BERTIE 2 -
1
SYLIVAN WILLIAM BERTIE 2 4 4
SYLIVAN WILLIAM BERTIE 1 - -
et alii
I have been able to extend my line, using logic and preponderance of
evidence, 5 generations before 1789 when provable documentation
exists.
I like my method because I am in control of the rules as opposed to
learning the rules of some program. But I am also a world class clerk
and enjoy detail. Mostly I enjoy coming up with
probabilities/possibilities that are unique to everyone else
researching my line..
It's that oblique thing, Cheryl!
Hugh
<hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
[huge snip] or [hugh snip] if you prefer.
I have done two things - well, a lot of things but I'll only mention
two...
1. I have arranged every fact found on Sullivans in VA and NC, from
creation to about 1835, in chrono order by State and date with the
county listed. I use MS Word to combine these in any fashion I choose
to discern patterns. I also have a listing of the dates of county
formation as an aid.
Sample which appears better on 8 1/2" x 11" with tabs.
NORTH CAROLINA CHRONOLOGY
1674 Albemarle Darby Sullivan in co. - probably from New Kent
Co. VA
1702 Chowan Richard Prince claimed headrights for
Daniel Sullivant and wife Alice, also Eliz., Lucas, and Jeremy
Sullivant. This entry was listed under misc. items of Albemarle and
Chowan.
1702 Chowan Daniel Sullivant and wife Alice, Elizabeth,
Lucas and Jeremy Sullivant testified in will of John Owen in
Bertie Co. in August
et alii
I also list a number after the fact which relates to the source of the
fact.
2. I have recorded census records of every Sullivan (and some
peripheral lines) for pertinent periods in like chrono order. I also
recorded for SC and AL. I added pre-census people based on published
research by Laihona and my and others research. Again I use MS Word to
combine and discover patterns.
Sample...
1790 NORTH CAROLINA - SULLIVAN
DIRECT LINE - PESUMED RELATIVES (in different colors on actual form)
Census Takers were to record the family as it existed on the first
Monday in August
NAME COUNTY >16 <16 FEM NOTES
SULIVAN LAMBETH BEAUFORT 1 2 4
Son of Lambouth ?
SULIVAN RICHARD BEAUFORT 1 - 1
Son of Lambeth
SULLIVAN JOHN BERTIE 2 3 5 VA?
SYLIVAN JOHN BERTIE 2 3 5
SYLIVAN MARTHA BERTIE 2 -
1
SYLIVAN WILLIAM BERTIE 2 4 4
SYLIVAN WILLIAM BERTIE 1 - -
et alii
I have been able to extend my line, using logic and preponderance of
evidence, 5 generations before 1789 when provable documentation
exists.
I like my method because I am in control of the rules as opposed to
learning the rules of some program. But I am also a world class clerk
and enjoy detail. Mostly I enjoy coming up with
probabilities/possibilities that are unique to everyone else
researching my line..
It's that oblique thing, Cheryl!
Hugh
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Hugh Watkins
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
and where have you published this data?
Hugh W
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:10:33 +0200, Steve Hayes
hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
[huge snip] or [hugh snip] if you prefer.
I have done two things - well, a lot of things but I'll only mention
two...
1. I have arranged every fact found on Sullivans in VA and NC, from
creation to about 1835, in chrono order by State and date with the
county listed. I use MS Word to combine these in any fashion I choose
to discern patterns. I also have a listing of the dates of county
formation as an aid.
Sample which appears better on 8 1/2" x 11" with tabs.
NORTH CAROLINA CHRONOLOGY
1674 Albemarle Darby Sullivan in co. - probably from New Kent
Co. VA
1702 Chowan Richard Prince claimed headrights for
Daniel Sullivant and wife Alice, also Eliz., Lucas, and Jeremy
Sullivant. This entry was listed under misc. items of Albemarle and
Chowan.
1702 Chowan Daniel Sullivant and wife Alice, Elizabeth,
Lucas and Jeremy Sullivant testified in will of John Owen in
Bertie Co. in August
et alii
I also list a number after the fact which relates to the source of the
fact.
2. I have recorded census records of every Sullivan (and some
peripheral lines) for pertinent periods in like chrono order. I also
recorded for SC and AL. I added pre-census people based on published
research by Laihona and my and others research. Again I use MS Word to
combine and discover patterns.
Sample...
1790 NORTH CAROLINA - SULLIVAN
DIRECT LINE - PESUMED RELATIVES (in different colors on actual form)
Census Takers were to record the family as it existed on the first
Monday in August
NAME COUNTY >16 <16 FEM NOTES
SULIVAN LAMBETH BEAUFORT 1 2 4
Son of Lambouth ?
SULIVAN RICHARD BEAUFORT 1 - 1
Son of Lambeth
SULLIVAN JOHN BERTIE 2 3 5 VA?
SYLIVAN JOHN BERTIE 2 3 5
SYLIVAN MARTHA BERTIE 2 -
1
SYLIVAN WILLIAM BERTIE 2 4 4
SYLIVAN WILLIAM BERTIE 1 - -
et alii
I have been able to extend my line, using logic and preponderance of
evidence, 5 generations before 1789 when provable documentation
exists.
I like my method because I am in control of the rules as opposed to
learning the rules of some program. But I am also a world class clerk
and enjoy detail. Mostly I enjoy coming up with
probabilities/possibilities that are unique to everyone else
researching my line..
It's that oblique thing, Cheryl!
and where have you published this data?
Hugh W
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J. Hugh Sullivan
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:26:57 +0000, Hugh Watkins
<hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote:
I have not published it and have no plans to publish. I prefer
one-on-one exchanges with people. I give them anything I have on their
line and ask for their data on their line.
I've seen three problems with publishing. The material often appears
under another's name without listing me as the source. A theory I
once had is the genealogy for a few people and they won't change even
though the data is very doubtful at the moment. And commercial
companies seine the internet for published data; I didn't do all the
research for them to harvest it.
Hugh
<hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote:
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:10:33 +0200, Steve Hayes
hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
[huge snip] or [hugh snip] if you prefer.
I have done two things - well, a lot of things but I'll only mention
two...
1. I have arranged every fact found on Sullivans in VA and NC, from
creation to about 1835, in chrono order by State and date with the
county listed. I use MS Word to combine these in any fashion I choose
to discern patterns. I also have a listing of the dates of county
formation as an aid.
Sample which appears better on 8 1/2" x 11" with tabs.
NORTH CAROLINA CHRONOLOGY
1674 Albemarle Darby Sullivan in co. - probably from New Kent
Co. VA
1702 Chowan Richard Prince claimed headrights for
Daniel Sullivant and wife Alice, also Eliz., Lucas, and Jeremy
Sullivant. This entry was listed under misc. items of Albemarle and
Chowan.
1702 Chowan Daniel Sullivant and wife Alice, Elizabeth,
Lucas and Jeremy Sullivant testified in will of John Owen in
Bertie Co. in August
et alii
I also list a number after the fact which relates to the source of the
fact.
2. I have recorded census records of every Sullivan (and some
peripheral lines) for pertinent periods in like chrono order. I also
recorded for SC and AL. I added pre-census people based on published
research by Laihona and my and others research. Again I use MS Word to
combine and discover patterns.
Sample...
1790 NORTH CAROLINA - SULLIVAN
DIRECT LINE - PESUMED RELATIVES (in different colors on actual form)
Census Takers were to record the family as it existed on the first
Monday in August
NAME COUNTY >16 <16 FEM NOTES
SULIVAN LAMBETH BEAUFORT 1 2 4
Son of Lambouth ?
SULIVAN RICHARD BEAUFORT 1 - 1
Son of Lambeth
SULLIVAN JOHN BERTIE 2 3 5 VA?
SYLIVAN JOHN BERTIE 2 3 5
SYLIVAN MARTHA BERTIE 2 -
1
SYLIVAN WILLIAM BERTIE 2 4 4
SYLIVAN WILLIAM BERTIE 1 - -
et alii
I have been able to extend my line, using logic and preponderance of
evidence, 5 generations before 1789 when provable documentation
exists.
I like my method because I am in control of the rules as opposed to
learning the rules of some program. But I am also a world class clerk
and enjoy detail. Mostly I enjoy coming up with
probabilities/possibilities that are unique to everyone else
researching my line..
It's that oblique thing, Cheryl!
and where have you published this data?
Hugh W
I have not published it and have no plans to publish. I prefer
one-on-one exchanges with people. I give them anything I have on their
line and ask for their data on their line.
I've seen three problems with publishing. The material often appears
under another's name without listing me as the source. A theory I
once had is the genealogy for a few people and they won't change even
though the data is very doubtful at the moment. And commercial
companies seine the internet for published data; I didn't do all the
research for them to harvest it.
Hugh
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Hugh Watkins
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
and when you die ?
which archive will have your stuff
you could give copies to one of the well established genealogical societies
new cousins find me regularly because my stuff is all over the net
then others have been so generous to me with sharing their stuff
I am just returning the compliment
I use http://wc.rootsweb.com/ and their freespace
on which when I die my stuff(I own the coyrights) will becaome the
intellectual property of my heirs
meanwhile it is in awt and owt which helps pay for all the freebies they
provide
luckily http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ has 5000 + volunteers who enjoy
sharing their work
we are about half way through from 1837 to 1983 when the GRO was
computerised
Hugh W
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:26:57 +0000, Hugh Watkins
hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote:
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:10:33 +0200, Steve Hayes
hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
[huge snip] or [hugh snip] if you prefer.
I have done two things - well, a lot of things but I'll only mention
two...
1. I have arranged every fact found on Sullivans in VA and NC, from
creation to about 1835, in chrono order by State and date with the
county listed. I use MS Word to combine these in any fashion I choose
to discern patterns. I also have a listing of the dates of county
formation as an aid.
Sample which appears better on 8 1/2" x 11" with tabs.
NORTH CAROLINA CHRONOLOGY
1674 Albemarle Darby Sullivan in co. - probably from New Kent
Co. VA
1702 Chowan Richard Prince claimed headrights for
Daniel Sullivant and wife Alice, also Eliz., Lucas, and Jeremy
Sullivant. This entry was listed under misc. items of Albemarle and
Chowan.
1702 Chowan Daniel Sullivant and wife Alice, Elizabeth,
Lucas and Jeremy Sullivant testified in will of John Owen in
Bertie Co. in August
et alii
I also list a number after the fact which relates to the source of the
fact.
2. I have recorded census records of every Sullivan (and some
peripheral lines) for pertinent periods in like chrono order. I also
recorded for SC and AL. I added pre-census people based on published
research by Laihona and my and others research. Again I use MS Word to
combine and discover patterns.
Sample...
1790 NORTH CAROLINA - SULLIVAN
DIRECT LINE - PESUMED RELATIVES (in different colors on actual form)
Census Takers were to record the family as it existed on the first
Monday in August
NAME COUNTY >16 <16 FEM NOTES
SULIVAN LAMBETH BEAUFORT 1 2 4
Son of Lambouth ?
SULIVAN RICHARD BEAUFORT 1 - 1
Son of Lambeth
SULLIVAN JOHN BERTIE 2 3 5 VA?
SYLIVAN JOHN BERTIE 2 3 5
SYLIVAN MARTHA BERTIE 2 -
1
SYLIVAN WILLIAM BERTIE 2 4 4
SYLIVAN WILLIAM BERTIE 1 - -
et alii
I have been able to extend my line, using logic and preponderance of
evidence, 5 generations before 1789 when provable documentation
exists.
I like my method because I am in control of the rules as opposed to
learning the rules of some program. But I am also a world class clerk
and enjoy detail. Mostly I enjoy coming up with
probabilities/possibilities that are unique to everyone else
researching my line..
It's that oblique thing, Cheryl!
and where have you published this data?
Hugh W
I have not published it and have no plans to publish. I prefer
one-on-one exchanges with people. I give them anything I have on their
line and ask for their data on their line.
I've seen three problems with publishing. The material often appears
under another's name without listing me as the source. A theory I
once had is the genealogy for a few people and they won't change even
though the data is very doubtful at the moment. And commercial
companies seine the internet for published data; I didn't do all the
research for them to harvest it.
and when you die ?
which archive will have your stuff
you could give copies to one of the well established genealogical societies
new cousins find me regularly because my stuff is all over the net
then others have been so generous to me with sharing their stuff
I am just returning the compliment
I use http://wc.rootsweb.com/ and their freespace
on which when I die my stuff(I own the coyrights) will becaome the
intellectual property of my heirs
meanwhile it is in awt and owt which helps pay for all the freebies they
provide
luckily http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ has 5000 + volunteers who enjoy
sharing their work
we are about half way through from 1837 to 1983 when the GRO was
computerised
Hugh W
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Steve Hayes
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:29:13 +0000, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com>
wrote:
Funny, isn't it -- nine replies, in the thread, and none on topic.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
wrote:
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:26:57 +0000, Hugh Watkins
hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote:
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:10:33 +0200, Steve Hayes
hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
Funny, isn't it -- nine replies, in the thread, and none on topic.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
-
J. Hugh Sullivan
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:29:13 +0000, Hugh Watkins
<hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm thinking. I want the Tuscaloosa Alabama library to have a copy and
I want a couple of excellent researchers to have copies. I don't want
them to adopt without study. I may ask a son or a friend to establish
a website.
I am found often and my stuff is not all over the net.
I have shared with them - and others, but one-on-one.
I am FAR beyond what roots web and the LDS can provide. In fact I have
found numerous errors in their data. Ancestry is different but it
costs me $100+ to subscribe each year.
In all honesty no one has given me anything on my line that I didn't
have in years EXCEPT fairly current stuff. I had two books and one
major source (person) when I started. They have not expanded their
data and I have. I do get data on other Sullivan lines and I track
that also - at least up to about 1835 when my line moved to Alabama. I
share that one-on-one also plus user groups.
If people use my data I want a quid pro quo - just as I give a qpq. I
might give an entire line and get a few living people back but I
consider that an even swap since they are just starting and I am not.
Unfortunately none of my or my wife's family is interested in getting
as involved in genealogy as I have been so it is important for my data
not to be lost - I understand that.
Hugh
<hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote:
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:26:57 +0000, Hugh Watkins
hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote:
and where have you published this data?
Hugh W
I have not published it and have no plans to publish. I prefer
one-on-one exchanges with people. I give them anything I have on their
line and ask for their data on their line.
I've seen three problems with publishing. The material often appears
under another's name without listing me as the source. A theory I
once had is the genealogy for a few people and they won't change even
though the data is very doubtful at the moment. And commercial
companies seine the internet for published data; I didn't do all the
research for them to harvest it.
and when you die ?
I'm thinking. I want the Tuscaloosa Alabama library to have a copy and
I want a couple of excellent researchers to have copies. I don't want
them to adopt without study. I may ask a son or a friend to establish
a website.
new cousins find me regularly because my stuff is all over the net
I am found often and my stuff is not all over the net.
then others have been so generous to me with sharing their stuff
I am just returning the compliment
I have shared with them - and others, but one-on-one.
I use http://wc.rootsweb.com/ and their freespace
on which when I die my stuff(I own the coyrights) will becaome the
intellectual property of my heirs
meanwhile it is in awt and owt which helps pay for all the freebies they
provide
I am FAR beyond what roots web and the LDS can provide. In fact I have
found numerous errors in their data. Ancestry is different but it
costs me $100+ to subscribe each year.
luckily http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ has 5000 + volunteers who enjoy
sharing their work
we are about half way through from 1837 to 1983 when the GRO was
computerised
In all honesty no one has given me anything on my line that I didn't
have in years EXCEPT fairly current stuff. I had two books and one
major source (person) when I started. They have not expanded their
data and I have. I do get data on other Sullivan lines and I track
that also - at least up to about 1835 when my line moved to Alabama. I
share that one-on-one also plus user groups.
If people use my data I want a quid pro quo - just as I give a qpq. I
might give an entire line and get a few living people back but I
consider that an even swap since they are just starting and I am not.
Unfortunately none of my or my wife's family is interested in getting
as involved in genealogy as I have been so it is important for my data
not to be lost - I understand that.
Hugh
-
Steve Hayes
Word processor vs database programs?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:45:33 GMT, sull1927@adelphia.net (J. Hugh Sullivan)
wrote:
HOW exactly do you "combine these in any fashion you choose" in Word?
Can you filter by date range, or place, or other criteria?
Can you search for a certain combination of words in records? (eg "pumpkin"
and "farmer")
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:10:33 +0200, Steve Hayes
hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
[huge snip] or [hugh snip] if you prefer.
I have done two things - well, a lot of things but I'll only mention
two...
1. I have arranged every fact found on Sullivans in VA and NC, from
creation to about 1835, in chrono order by State and date with the
county listed. I use MS Word to combine these in any fashion I choose
to discern patterns. I also have a listing of the dates of county
formation as an aid.
HOW exactly do you "combine these in any fashion you choose" in Word?
Can you filter by date range, or place, or other criteria?
Can you search for a certain combination of words in records? (eg "pumpkin"
and "farmer")
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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Steve Hayes
META - Making the best use of newsgroups
A couple of days ago I asked some questions about event based databases.
All the on-topic responses I received were sent by private e-mail, while most
of the responses in the newsgroup were off-topic (thanks largely to a troll
named Phil Hawkins, who posted a fatuous response).
Now if newsgroups are to be useful, this is the very reverse of what should be
happening.
Post the ON-TOPIC stuff to the newsgroup, to contribute to the discussion, and
post OFF-TOPIC stuff by private e-mail, to avoid cluttering up the newsgroup
with extraneous material.
If we all did that, the newsgroups would become more interesting and useful to
all of us.
I don't object to the occasional joke, or threads that are clearly marked OT,
but when threads are hijacked into irrelevant backwaters and all the on-topic
replies are sent by e-mail, we are missing the purpose of newsgroups.
Think about it: if you post something that you would like to discuss with
other genealogists, and you get 10 replies by e-mail, it means you have to
send 10 messages in reply to those 10 e-mails, instead of one reply to the
group, to take the discussion forward. And if one of those replies has
something that answers a question posed in one of the other replies, then you
have to forward A's message to B, and then if B responds to A by e-mail too,
you may miss some interesting information, and the whole discussion gets
fragmented.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
All the on-topic responses I received were sent by private e-mail, while most
of the responses in the newsgroup were off-topic (thanks largely to a troll
named Phil Hawkins, who posted a fatuous response).
Now if newsgroups are to be useful, this is the very reverse of what should be
happening.
Post the ON-TOPIC stuff to the newsgroup, to contribute to the discussion, and
post OFF-TOPIC stuff by private e-mail, to avoid cluttering up the newsgroup
with extraneous material.
If we all did that, the newsgroups would become more interesting and useful to
all of us.
I don't object to the occasional joke, or threads that are clearly marked OT,
but when threads are hijacked into irrelevant backwaters and all the on-topic
replies are sent by e-mail, we are missing the purpose of newsgroups.
Think about it: if you post something that you would like to discuss with
other genealogists, and you get 10 replies by e-mail, it means you have to
send 10 messages in reply to those 10 e-mails, instead of one reply to the
group, to take the discussion forward. And if one of those replies has
something that answers a question posed in one of the other replies, then you
have to forward A's message to B, and then if B responds to A by e-mail too,
you may miss some interesting information, and the whole discussion gets
fragmented.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
-
Hugh Watkins
Re: META - Making the best use of newsgroups
Steve Hayes wrote:
snip
if you want to be taken seriously NEVER crosspost
Hugh W
A couple of days ago I asked some questions about event based databases.
All the on-topic responses I received were sent by private e-mail, while most
of the responses in the newsgroup were off-topic (thanks largely to a troll
named Phil Hawkins, who posted a fatuous response).
snip
if you want to be taken seriously NEVER crosspost
Hugh W
-
Steve Hayes
Re: META - Making the best use of newsgroups
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:08:09 +0000, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com>
wrote:
Don't be silly.
--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/
wrote:
if you want to be taken seriously NEVER crosspost
Don't be silly.
--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/
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J. Hugh Sullivan
Re: META - Making the best use of newsgroups
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:55:37 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:
Were the on-topics from people who post here or lurkers who just
wanted to help but not be too visible?
Seems to me that most people on s.g.c. post a question that usually
asks for general help. This creates a round-robin where lots of ideas
are exchanged. And a few of us enjoy spiking the punch with a
punchline if we can think of one. It's sad when we can't laugh.
And, right or wrong I get the idea from your posts that you are
combative and confrontational. That doesn't encourage many replies
except from people like me who don't have a reverse gear.
That's sort of "everybody is out of step except my son". Newsgroups
ARE helpful. I'm not good at reading people but I think your disdain
is showing and when I called the roll to see who cared no one
responded.
Several posters have been here a decade or more and I don't get the
sense that they find their time here unrewarding. I'm one of them.
Hugh
<hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:
A couple of days ago I asked some questions about event based databases.
All the on-topic responses I received were sent by private e-mail, while most
of the responses in the newsgroup were off-topic (thanks largely to a troll
named Phil Hawkins, who posted a fatuous response).
Were the on-topics from people who post here or lurkers who just
wanted to help but not be too visible?
Seems to me that most people on s.g.c. post a question that usually
asks for general help. This creates a round-robin where lots of ideas
are exchanged. And a few of us enjoy spiking the punch with a
punchline if we can think of one. It's sad when we can't laugh.
And, right or wrong I get the idea from your posts that you are
combative and confrontational. That doesn't encourage many replies
except from people like me who don't have a reverse gear.
Now if newsgroups are to be useful, this is the very reverse of what should be
happening.
That's sort of "everybody is out of step except my son". Newsgroups
ARE helpful. I'm not good at reading people but I think your disdain
is showing and when I called the roll to see who cared no one
responded.
Post the ON-TOPIC stuff to the newsgroup, to contribute to the discussion, and
post OFF-TOPIC stuff by private e-mail, to avoid cluttering up the newsgroup
with extraneous material.
If we all did that, the newsgroups would become more interesting and useful to
all of us.
Several posters have been here a decade or more and I don't get the
sense that they find their time here unrewarding. I'm one of them.
Hugh
-
Peter Goodey
Re: META - Making the best use of newsgroups
Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in news:43filbF1n5d6eU1
@individual.net:
It's no good. I just can't take that seriously.
@individual.net:
From: Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.computing,soc.genealogy.britain,alt.genealogy
if you want to be taken seriously NEVER crosspost
Hugh W
It's no good. I just can't take that seriously.
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Vivien Rice
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
Steve Hayes wrote:
The best solution may be to fix the problem with TMG.
IMHO the only reasons for crashing would be a flawed copy of the
program (worth trying the latest upgrade) or system requirements
greater than your computer currently has.
Have you discussed the problem on the TMG forum?
Vivien
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
(snip)
Then I heard that The Master Genealogist could do what I wanted to do, and I
bought a copy and was able to use it long enough to get my hopes up before it
crashed, and when it crashed every time I tried to use it, I gave up.
The best solution may be to fix the problem with TMG.
IMHO the only reasons for crashing would be a flawed copy of the
program (worth trying the latest upgrade) or system requirements
greater than your computer currently has.
Have you discussed the problem on the TMG forum?
Vivien
-
Huntersglenn
Re: META - Making the best use of newsgroups
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
Not everyone shares the same sense of humor. Doing something such as
including a smiley face, or <grin> is often helpful so the reader knows
when the writer is joking or just being a grouch.
I've never gotten that impression from Steve's posts.
Excuse me? You called the what? I'm guessing this is YOUR attempt at
humor? If so, then it failed. You do not speak for me, nor have you
asked me if I cared. I agree with Steve that it's much more helpful to
have on-topic responses go to the group, so that everyone knows what's
going on. In the end though, this IS just his opinion and my opinion.
You, obviously, have your own opinion. Neither one is right nor wrong
-- they're all just different.
Cathy
Seems to me that most people on s.g.c. post a question that usually
asks for general help. This creates a round-robin where lots of ideas
are exchanged. And a few of us enjoy spiking the punch with a
punchline if we can think of one. It's sad when we can't laugh.
Not everyone shares the same sense of humor. Doing something such as
including a smiley face, or <grin> is often helpful so the reader knows
when the writer is joking or just being a grouch.
And, right or wrong I get the idea from your posts that you are
combative and confrontational. That doesn't encourage many replies
except from people like me who don't have a reverse gear.
I've never gotten that impression from Steve's posts.
Now if newsgroups are to be useful, this is the very reverse of what should be
happening.
That's sort of "everybody is out of step except my son". Newsgroups
ARE helpful. I'm not good at reading people but I think your disdain
is showing and when I called the roll to see who cared no one
responded.
Excuse me? You called the what? I'm guessing this is YOUR attempt at
humor? If so, then it failed. You do not speak for me, nor have you
asked me if I cared. I agree with Steve that it's much more helpful to
have on-topic responses go to the group, so that everyone knows what's
going on. In the end though, this IS just his opinion and my opinion.
You, obviously, have your own opinion. Neither one is right nor wrong
-- they're all just different.
Cathy
-
Steve Hayes
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
On 21 Jan 2006 15:10:23 -0800, "Vivien Rice" <viric@trump.net.au> wrote:
I've discussed it with the TMG help people, and they couldn't help. It seemed
there was a problem with the underlying software engine (Foxpro) though why it
worked on some computers and not others was something of a mystery -- I tried
installing it on two computers with different OSs -- Win 98 and Windows OS/2,
and it crashed on both. Unlike programs like Legacy, you have to pay upfront
for TMG, and if it doesn't work you don't get your money back, so trying a
different version seems too much of a risk to me, and might be throwing good
money after bad.
But, apart from that, what I have in mind is a program that would include
people who are not related, and who I wouldn't want to have in my main
genealogy database -- friends, boss, work colleagues etc.
So I use TMG as an example of a program that can do the KIND of thing that I
want, without doing everything.
Someone wrote to me by private e-mail recommending Custodian. I tried to start
a discussion of Clooz and Custodian and their capabilities in this respect a
year ago, and get some responses from users of those programs, but it seems no
one is using them, or if they are, they aren't interested in discussing them.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes wrote:
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
(snip)
Then I heard that The Master Genealogist could do what I wanted to do, and I
bought a copy and was able to use it long enough to get my hopes up before it
crashed, and when it crashed every time I tried to use it, I gave up.
The best solution may be to fix the problem with TMG.
IMHO the only reasons for crashing would be a flawed copy of the
program (worth trying the latest upgrade) or system requirements
greater than your computer currently has.
Have you discussed the problem on the TMG forum?
I've discussed it with the TMG help people, and they couldn't help. It seemed
there was a problem with the underlying software engine (Foxpro) though why it
worked on some computers and not others was something of a mystery -- I tried
installing it on two computers with different OSs -- Win 98 and Windows OS/2,
and it crashed on both. Unlike programs like Legacy, you have to pay upfront
for TMG, and if it doesn't work you don't get your money back, so trying a
different version seems too much of a risk to me, and might be throwing good
money after bad.
But, apart from that, what I have in mind is a program that would include
people who are not related, and who I wouldn't want to have in my main
genealogy database -- friends, boss, work colleagues etc.
So I use TMG as an example of a program that can do the KIND of thing that I
want, without doing everything.
Someone wrote to me by private e-mail recommending Custodian. I tried to start
a discussion of Clooz and Custodian and their capabilities in this respect a
year ago, and get some responses from users of those programs, but it seems no
one is using them, or if they are, they aren't interested in discussing them.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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Paul Blair
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
Steve Hayes wrote:
Steve and I have been "discussing" this off net, and the design notion
is simple enough.
There are events that you want to link with people, and people that you
want to link with events. Who is coming to an event, and what events has
this person been involved with?
This is a many-to-many relationship, in database design terms, and there
is a standard way of linking tables for events and tables for people.
There is a sort-of example on the Microsoft site - its at this place:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templ ... 1366681033
This sample links events with people, and people with events. It does a
whole heap more (that Steve would not need) but it would be a good
starting point.
And, if anyone is running functions with need for a booking system, here
it is for you.
There isn't a genie database that offers this functionality that I know
of, so Steve will probably have to roll his own. Offers of help?
Paul
On 21 Jan 2006 15:10:23 -0800, "Vivien Rice" <viric@trump.net.au> wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
Steve and I have been "discussing" this off net, and the design notion
is simple enough.
There are events that you want to link with people, and people that you
want to link with events. Who is coming to an event, and what events has
this person been involved with?
This is a many-to-many relationship, in database design terms, and there
is a standard way of linking tables for events and tables for people.
There is a sort-of example on the Microsoft site - its at this place:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templ ... 1366681033
This sample links events with people, and people with events. It does a
whole heap more (that Steve would not need) but it would be a good
starting point.
And, if anyone is running functions with need for a booking system, here
it is for you.
There isn't a genie database that offers this functionality that I know
of, so Steve will probably have to roll his own. Offers of help?
Paul
-
Steve Hayes
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:53:15 +1100, Paul Blair <pblair@pcug.org.au> wrote:
Sources should also come in there somewhere, and That's one of the design
problems that needs to be thought through (and that I've been seeking help
with on the newsgroups) -- see more below.
Such a program would, I believe, be useful not only to family historians, but
to general historians as well, in analysing events with information from
different sources, and the roles people played in them.
The basic design is:
EVENTS TABLE
Has information about an event -- when and where it took place, what happened,
etc. These are often uincluded in genealogy databases, but not in a
many-to-many way: marriages, battles, graduation, military enlistment,
military discharge, divorce, contracts, plane crashes, crimes, joining or
leaving organisations, promotions at work, etc.
PEOPLE TABLE
People of were involved in or affected by an event. This would be basic
information about the person, name, date of birth and death (though that might
be redundant if those events are included, but it could be identifying
information. Also, a potted biography.
It would be nice if one could pull this information in from a genealogy
program (thew Genota program I mentioned seems to do this), to avoid the need
for retyping, but also enter new information about unrelated people.
PARTICIPATION TABLE
This would provide the many-to-many link between PEOPLE and EVENTS.
It would provide space for notes on that person's role in the event, which
could be, for example, bride, bridegroom, combatant, witness, employer,
employee, perpetrator, victim, plaintiff, defendant, accused, judge, arresting
officer, sponsor, godparent, father, mother, teacher, pupil and numerous
others. It should probably link to a subsidiary table for user-defined
relationships, thus with the opportunity to add to it.
SOURCE TABLE
I'm not quite sure where this shiould link. Most probably to roles, if the
source gives and indication of a person's role in an event. But there might be
more general sources that should be linked to the event itself. This could
complicate the design.
I get the impression that that is more for planning future events, while what
I am looking for is a program for recording past events.
I've been "rolling my own" with a flat file database called Inmagic, but thisd
means entering "peope" information numerous times, and so I think a relational
database might be better for the purpose.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes wrote:
On 21 Jan 2006 15:10:23 -0800, "Vivien Rice" <viric@trump.net.au> wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
Steve and I have been "discussing" this off net, and the design notion
is simple enough.
There are events that you want to link with people, and people that you
want to link with events. Who is coming to an event, and what events has
this person been involved with?
Sources should also come in there somewhere, and That's one of the design
problems that needs to be thought through (and that I've been seeking help
with on the newsgroups) -- see more below.
Such a program would, I believe, be useful not only to family historians, but
to general historians as well, in analysing events with information from
different sources, and the roles people played in them.
This is a many-to-many relationship, in database design terms, and there
is a standard way of linking tables for events and tables for people.
The basic design is:
EVENTS TABLE
Has information about an event -- when and where it took place, what happened,
etc. These are often uincluded in genealogy databases, but not in a
many-to-many way: marriages, battles, graduation, military enlistment,
military discharge, divorce, contracts, plane crashes, crimes, joining or
leaving organisations, promotions at work, etc.
PEOPLE TABLE
People of were involved in or affected by an event. This would be basic
information about the person, name, date of birth and death (though that might
be redundant if those events are included, but it could be identifying
information. Also, a potted biography.
It would be nice if one could pull this information in from a genealogy
program (thew Genota program I mentioned seems to do this), to avoid the need
for retyping, but also enter new information about unrelated people.
PARTICIPATION TABLE
This would provide the many-to-many link between PEOPLE and EVENTS.
It would provide space for notes on that person's role in the event, which
could be, for example, bride, bridegroom, combatant, witness, employer,
employee, perpetrator, victim, plaintiff, defendant, accused, judge, arresting
officer, sponsor, godparent, father, mother, teacher, pupil and numerous
others. It should probably link to a subsidiary table for user-defined
relationships, thus with the opportunity to add to it.
SOURCE TABLE
I'm not quite sure where this shiould link. Most probably to roles, if the
source gives and indication of a person's role in an event. But there might be
more general sources that should be linked to the event itself. This could
complicate the design.
There is a sort-of example on the Microsoft site - its at this place:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templ ... 1366681033
This sample links events with people, and people with events. It does a
whole heap more (that Steve would not need) but it would be a good
starting point.
I get the impression that that is more for planning future events, while what
I am looking for is a program for recording past events.
I've been "rolling my own" with a flat file database called Inmagic, but thisd
means entering "peope" information numerous times, and so I think a relational
database might be better for the purpose.
And, if anyone is running functions with need for a booking system, here
it is for you.
There isn't a genie database that offers this functionality that I know
of, so Steve will probably have to roll his own. Offers of help?
Paul
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
-
Paul Blair
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
Steve Hayes wrote:>
big snip
In this case dates don't care if they are pre or post...and, as well, a
lot of what you want is already there. But maybe there is yet a better
example?
Paul
big snip
I get the impression that that is more for planning future events, while what
I am looking for is a program for recording past events.
I've been "rolling my own" with a flat file database called Inmagic, but thisd
means entering "peope" information numerous times, and so I think a relational
database might be better for the purpose.
In this case dates don't care if they are pre or post...and, as well, a
lot of what you want is already there. But maybe there is yet a better
example?
Paul
There isn't a genie database that offers this functionality that I know
of, so Steve will probably have to roll his own. Offers of help?
Paul
-
Steve Hayes
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:53:15 +1100, Paul Blair <pblair@pcug.org.au> wrote:
[follow-ups set to soc.genealogy.computing]
Here is a sample report from my "roll-your-own" event database in Inmagic:
It was based on a search for "[480]" (the RIN of Henry Green). This lists
events Henry Green was involved in, sorted by date. One couls sort by date,
place or person. Reports can have more or less detail.
There are many other possible reports on the same data -- events in a certain
place, for example, or combinations of peopel (when did Stanley meet
Livingstone?)
Events relating to [480] Page No 1
Search strategy: 06/01/22 08:23:49
GET KE/EV/EN/NO/PE/EP: [480]
29-Aug-1848 Orange River Sovereignty, Boomplaats
BATTLE OF BOOMPLAATS: HENRY GREEN COMMISSARY OFFICER
People: 1. Green, Henry [480]
2. Smith, Sir Harry
Sources: 1. DSAB IV, p. 197
2. DSAB II, p. 675
23-Jul-1852 Orange River Sovereignty, Bloemfontein
HENRY GREEN APPOINTED BRITISH RESIDENT OF ORANGE RIVER
SOVEREIGNTY
Replaced Major Henry Douglas Warden
People: 1. Green, Henry [480]
2. Warden, Henry Douglas
Sources: 1. Walker, E.A. 1965. History of Southern
Africa, p. xix
12-Feb-1853 Orange River Sovereignty, Bloemfontein
CHARLES & FRED GREEN DINE IN OFFICERS' MESS WITH ST JOHN.
AFTERWARDS MEET HENRY AND ARTHUR GREEN IN THE CLUB. HENRY
IS THE RESIDENT, ARTHUR GREEN IN THE COMMISSARIAT AND
FRED IS DESCRIBED AS SURVEYOR.
"Played one game of billiards with Charles Green, who
dined wuith me at mess. Present, Major Kyle, Captain
Bates, Howard and Rowland, all 45th, Cameron, Staff
Assistant Surgeon, and myself, the members of the mess,
and Charles and Fred Green and Dawson, late 45th, guest.
In the evening Lowen the magistrate and De Smidt of the
Comissariat came up. About 9 Charles Green and I
adjourned to the club, where we met his brothers Henry
Green, the Resident, and Arthur Green in the
Commissariat, and also Fred the surveyor. I played one
game with Charles Green and adjourned to my house" (St
John diary, p, 52). This is the last mention of Charles
Green in St John's diary -- perhaps he accompanied
Sechele back home, as St John had described earlier, or
perhaps went on to Cape Town, as described by Tabler
(1973:45).
People: 1. Green, Fred [144]
2. Green, Charles [502]
3. Green, Henry [480]
4. Green, Arthur [936]
5. Bates, Captain Robert
6. Kyle, Major Hallam d'Arcy
Sources: 1. St John Diary, p. 52
Events relating to [480] Page No 2
11-Mar-1854 Orange River Sovereignty, Bloenfontein
HENRY GREEN'S POSITION OF BRITISH RESIDENT OF THE ORANGE
RIVER SOVEREIGNTY LAPSES WITH ABANDONMENT OF THE
SOVEREIGNTY
People: 1. Green, Henry [480]
Sources: 1. Walker, E.A. 1965. History of Southern
Africa, p. xix
6-Jan-1862 Cape Colony, Colesberg
MARRIAGE OF HENRY GREEN TO IDA VON LILIENSTEIN AT
COLESBERG
People: 1. Green, Henry [480]
2. von Lilienstein, Ida Johanna [507]
Sources:
16-Dec-1862 Cape Colony, Colesberg
HENRY AITCHISON GREEN BORN AT COLESBERG
People: 1. Green, Henry Aitchison [508]
2. Green, Henry [480]
Sources:
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes wrote:
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
Steve and I have been "discussing" this off net, and the design notion
is simple enough.
There are events that you want to link with people, and people that you
want to link with events. Who is coming to an event, and what events has
this person been involved with?
[follow-ups set to soc.genealogy.computing]
Here is a sample report from my "roll-your-own" event database in Inmagic:
It was based on a search for "[480]" (the RIN of Henry Green). This lists
events Henry Green was involved in, sorted by date. One couls sort by date,
place or person. Reports can have more or less detail.
There are many other possible reports on the same data -- events in a certain
place, for example, or combinations of peopel (when did Stanley meet
Livingstone?)
Events relating to [480] Page No 1
Search strategy: 06/01/22 08:23:49
GET KE/EV/EN/NO/PE/EP: [480]
29-Aug-1848 Orange River Sovereignty, Boomplaats
BATTLE OF BOOMPLAATS: HENRY GREEN COMMISSARY OFFICER
People: 1. Green, Henry [480]
2. Smith, Sir Harry
Sources: 1. DSAB IV, p. 197
2. DSAB II, p. 675
23-Jul-1852 Orange River Sovereignty, Bloemfontein
HENRY GREEN APPOINTED BRITISH RESIDENT OF ORANGE RIVER
SOVEREIGNTY
Replaced Major Henry Douglas Warden
People: 1. Green, Henry [480]
2. Warden, Henry Douglas
Sources: 1. Walker, E.A. 1965. History of Southern
Africa, p. xix
12-Feb-1853 Orange River Sovereignty, Bloemfontein
CHARLES & FRED GREEN DINE IN OFFICERS' MESS WITH ST JOHN.
AFTERWARDS MEET HENRY AND ARTHUR GREEN IN THE CLUB. HENRY
IS THE RESIDENT, ARTHUR GREEN IN THE COMMISSARIAT AND
FRED IS DESCRIBED AS SURVEYOR.
"Played one game of billiards with Charles Green, who
dined wuith me at mess. Present, Major Kyle, Captain
Bates, Howard and Rowland, all 45th, Cameron, Staff
Assistant Surgeon, and myself, the members of the mess,
and Charles and Fred Green and Dawson, late 45th, guest.
In the evening Lowen the magistrate and De Smidt of the
Comissariat came up. About 9 Charles Green and I
adjourned to the club, where we met his brothers Henry
Green, the Resident, and Arthur Green in the
Commissariat, and also Fred the surveyor. I played one
game with Charles Green and adjourned to my house" (St
John diary, p, 52). This is the last mention of Charles
Green in St John's diary -- perhaps he accompanied
Sechele back home, as St John had described earlier, or
perhaps went on to Cape Town, as described by Tabler
(1973:45).
People: 1. Green, Fred [144]
2. Green, Charles [502]
3. Green, Henry [480]
4. Green, Arthur [936]
5. Bates, Captain Robert
6. Kyle, Major Hallam d'Arcy
Sources: 1. St John Diary, p. 52
Events relating to [480] Page No 2
11-Mar-1854 Orange River Sovereignty, Bloenfontein
HENRY GREEN'S POSITION OF BRITISH RESIDENT OF THE ORANGE
RIVER SOVEREIGNTY LAPSES WITH ABANDONMENT OF THE
SOVEREIGNTY
People: 1. Green, Henry [480]
Sources: 1. Walker, E.A. 1965. History of Southern
Africa, p. xix
6-Jan-1862 Cape Colony, Colesberg
MARRIAGE OF HENRY GREEN TO IDA VON LILIENSTEIN AT
COLESBERG
People: 1. Green, Henry [480]
2. von Lilienstein, Ida Johanna [507]
Sources:
16-Dec-1862 Cape Colony, Colesberg
HENRY AITCHISON GREEN BORN AT COLESBERG
People: 1. Green, Henry Aitchison [508]
2. Green, Henry [480]
Sources:
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
-
Rob
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
Steve,
I used Custodian and whilst it is a great database program I find it of no
use for what you suggested in the OP. It would be as easy to use Excel or
similar
Rob
"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4c16t1hnflb7m8pt5gv340jq3s7ckvui92@4ax.com...
I used Custodian and whilst it is a great database program I find it of no
use for what you suggested in the OP. It would be as easy to use Excel or
similar
Rob
"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4c16t1hnflb7m8pt5gv340jq3s7ckvui92@4ax.com...
On 21 Jan 2006 15:10:23 -0800, "Vivien Rice" <viric@trump.net.au> wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
For a long time I've been looking for an event-based note recording
program to
try to look for patterns in genealogical notes and data.
(snip)
Then I heard that The Master Genealogist could do what I wanted to do,
and I
bought a copy and was able to use it long enough to get my hopes up
before it
crashed, and when it crashed every time I tried to use it, I gave up.
The best solution may be to fix the problem with TMG.
IMHO the only reasons for crashing would be a flawed copy of the
program (worth trying the latest upgrade) or system requirements
greater than your computer currently has.
Have you discussed the problem on the TMG forum?
I've discussed it with the TMG help people, and they couldn't help. It
seemed
there was a problem with the underlying software engine (Foxpro) though
why it
worked on some computers and not others was something of a mystery -- I
tried
installing it on two computers with different OSs -- Win 98 and Windows
OS/2,
and it crashed on both. Unlike programs like Legacy, you have to pay
upfront
for TMG, and if it doesn't work you don't get your money back, so trying a
different version seems too much of a risk to me, and might be throwing
good
money after bad.
But, apart from that, what I have in mind is a program that would include
people who are not related, and who I wouldn't want to have in my main
genealogy database -- friends, boss, work colleagues etc.
So I use TMG as an example of a program that can do the KIND of thing that
I
want, without doing everything.
Someone wrote to me by private e-mail recommending Custodian. I tried to
start
a discussion of Clooz and Custodian and their capabilities in this respect
a
year ago, and get some responses from users of those programs, but it
seems no
one is using them, or if they are, they aren't interested in discussing
them.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop
uk
-
Lars Erik Bryld
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
Scripsit Steve Hayes:
I haven't tried Genota, but from what i can see on their web site, I
have some misgivings already.
Apparently you can only try it by leaving a lot of personal
information, the screen shots are few and far between, I cannot see a
lot of description on how the features are supposed to work, and not a
lot of arguing about how this program excels in what it claims to do.
Furthermore, the archives of the alleged user group is empty, which
seems to suggest a quite modest following.
Now, all this could just be bad marketing of a terrific product, but
who'd know?
Anyway, I understand that you almost found what you were looking for
in The Master Genealogist, but you had concerns about the stability of
the program. So did I, and the answer to that is rather obvious:
Genbox. http://www.genbox.com/ 30-days full trial, no questions asked,
price just cut in half, very good stability, and just abut everyting
TMG ever was and more (and I wasn't paid to say that). Furthermore,
the user group actually is vary active.
Looking back in the archives, I note that you have asked about this
before, and received the same answer as mine. If you didn't try it out
then, how about reconsidering?
--
Regards
Lars Erik Bryld
Then I heard that The Master Genealogist could do what I wanted to
do, and I bought a copy and was able to use it long enough to get
my hopes up before it crashed, and when it crashed every time I
tried to use it, I gave up.
Finally, a couple of days ago, I bought the December Issue (No 32)
of "Your Family History" magazine and it had a trial version of a
program called Genota.
This seems to come the closest yet.
Has anyone out there used it? Would any users like to write a
review?
I haven't tried Genota, but from what i can see on their web site, I
have some misgivings already.
Apparently you can only try it by leaving a lot of personal
information, the screen shots are few and far between, I cannot see a
lot of description on how the features are supposed to work, and not a
lot of arguing about how this program excels in what it claims to do.
Furthermore, the archives of the alleged user group is empty, which
seems to suggest a quite modest following.
Now, all this could just be bad marketing of a terrific product, but
who'd know?
Anyway, I understand that you almost found what you were looking for
in The Master Genealogist, but you had concerns about the stability of
the program. So did I, and the answer to that is rather obvious:
Genbox. http://www.genbox.com/ 30-days full trial, no questions asked,
price just cut in half, very good stability, and just abut everyting
TMG ever was and more (and I wasn't paid to say that). Furthermore,
the user group actually is vary active.
Looking back in the archives, I note that you have asked about this
before, and received the same answer as mine. If you didn't try it out
then, how about reconsidering?
--
Regards
Lars Erik Bryld
-
Steve Hayes
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:23:27 +0100, Lars Erik Bryld <larserik@dadlnet.invalid>
wrote:
Well, I'll continue my trial until the trial period runs out, and then post a
review here.
If anyone else got the Christmas edition of "Your Family History" magazine,
you can also try it out from the cover disc without having to give a lot of
information.
There's also another program called "Genota forms" which I looked at briefly,
and it seems to be a poor man's "Custodian" with an Australian slant.
I tried it out some time ago, and it's still on my computer somewhere waiting
for me to reinstall it. It was touted as a program for representig graphical
family trees. So I imported my data from a Gedcom, and there were a lot of
lines on the screen linking names, but they all had the wrong links, and the
lines were all overlaide one on top of the other, so I wasn't very impressed.
But if I can find an installation copy I'll have another look.
BTW, I've been informed that it is now possible to get a 30-day free trial of
TMG, so I might have another look at it to see if the newer versions have
sorted out the problems I found with it.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
wrote:
Scripsit Steve Hayes:
Then I heard that The Master Genealogist could do what I wanted to
do, and I bought a copy and was able to use it long enough to get
my hopes up before it crashed, and when it crashed every time I
tried to use it, I gave up.
Finally, a couple of days ago, I bought the December Issue (No 32)
of "Your Family History" magazine and it had a trial version of a
program called Genota.
This seems to come the closest yet.
Has anyone out there used it? Would any users like to write a
review?
I haven't tried Genota, but from what i can see on their web site, I
have some misgivings already.
Apparently you can only try it by leaving a lot of personal
information, the screen shots are few and far between, I cannot see a
lot of description on how the features are supposed to work, and not a
lot of arguing about how this program excels in what it claims to do.
Furthermore, the archives of the alleged user group is empty, which
seems to suggest a quite modest following.
Now, all this could just be bad marketing of a terrific product, but
who'd know?
Well, I'll continue my trial until the trial period runs out, and then post a
review here.
If anyone else got the Christmas edition of "Your Family History" magazine,
you can also try it out from the cover disc without having to give a lot of
information.
There's also another program called "Genota forms" which I looked at briefly,
and it seems to be a poor man's "Custodian" with an Australian slant.
Anyway, I understand that you almost found what you were looking for
in The Master Genealogist, but you had concerns about the stability of
the program. So did I, and the answer to that is rather obvious:
Genbox. http://www.genbox.com/ 30-days full trial, no questions asked,
price just cut in half, very good stability, and just abut everyting
TMG ever was and more (and I wasn't paid to say that). Furthermore,
the user group actually is vary active.
Looking back in the archives, I note that you have asked about this
before, and received the same answer as mine. If you didn't try it out
then, how about reconsidering?
I tried it out some time ago, and it's still on my computer somewhere waiting
for me to reinstall it. It was touted as a program for representig graphical
family trees. So I imported my data from a Gedcom, and there were a lot of
lines on the screen linking names, but they all had the wrong links, and the
lines were all overlaide one on top of the other, so I wasn't very impressed.
But if I can find an installation copy I'll have another look.
BTW, I've been informed that it is now possible to get a 30-day free trial of
TMG, so I might have another look at it to see if the newer versions have
sorted out the problems I found with it.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
-
J. Hugh Sullivan
Re: META - Making the best use of newsgroups
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:32:48 -0500, Huntersglenn
<huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote:
Okay...
It was 6' humor and you are probably about 5'5".
No, I just obviously yanked your chain.
Mea culpa - I had not realized this was grammar school.
Obviously!
So we accomplised what by this exchange???
Hugh
<huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote:
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
Seems to me that most people on s.g.c. post a question that usually
asks for general help. This creates a round-robin where lots of ideas
are exchanged. And a few of us enjoy spiking the punch with a
punchline if we can think of one. It's sad when we can't laugh.
Not everyone shares the same sense of humor. Doing something such as
including a smiley face, or <grin> is often helpful so the reader knows
when the writer is joking or just being a grouch.
And, right or wrong I get the idea from your posts that you are
combative and confrontational. That doesn't encourage many replies
except from people like me who don't have a reverse gear.
I've never gotten that impression from Steve's posts.
Okay...
Now if newsgroups are to be useful, this is the very reverse of what should be
happening.
That's sort of "everybody is out of step except my son". Newsgroups
ARE helpful. I'm not good at reading people but I think your disdain
is showing and when I called the roll to see who cared no one
responded.
Excuse me? You called the what? I'm guessing this is YOUR attempt at
humor? If so, then it failed.
It was 6' humor and you are probably about 5'5".
You do not speak for me, nor have you
asked me if I cared.
No, I just obviously yanked your chain.
I agree with Steve that it's much more helpful to
have on-topic responses go to the group, so that everyone knows what's
going on.
Mea culpa - I had not realized this was grammar school.
In the end though, this IS just his opinion and my opinion.
You, obviously, have your own opinion.
Obviously!
Neither one is right nor wrong
-- they're all just different.
So we accomplised what by this exchange???
Hugh
-
Lars Erik Bryld
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
Scripsit Steve Hayes:
Genbox began its life as a dedicated charting application, and it is
still more than adequate for my modest needs in that respect, but I
primarily use it, because its event-centered and with very strong
emphasis on source citation. Furthermore, there are trackers for
managing projects, searches, correspondances, and more. I typically
define an event-linked record search, and the I link it to all
possible repositories, where it would be possible to check out that
particular fact. Whenever I visit an archive, I'll have instant access
to any possible task to do just there.
--
Regards
Lars Erik Bryld
Anyway, I understand that you almost found what you were looking
for in The Master Genealogist, but you had concerns about the
stability of the program. So did I, and the answer to that is
rather obvious: Genbox. http://www.genbox.com/
I tried it out some time ago, and it's still on my computer
somewhere waiting for me to reinstall it. It was touted as a
program for representig graphical family trees. So I imported my
data from a Gedcom, and there were a lot of lines on the screen
linking names, but they all had the wrong links, and the lines were
all overlaide one on top of the other, so I wasn't very impressed.
Genbox began its life as a dedicated charting application, and it is
still more than adequate for my modest needs in that respect, but I
primarily use it, because its event-centered and with very strong
emphasis on source citation. Furthermore, there are trackers for
managing projects, searches, correspondances, and more. I typically
define an event-linked record search, and the I link it to all
possible repositories, where it would be possible to check out that
particular fact. Whenever I visit an archive, I'll have instant access
to any possible task to do just there.
--
Regards
Lars Erik Bryld
-
...
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
I've discussed it with the TMG help people, and they couldn't help. It
seemed
there was a problem with the underlying software engine (Foxpro) though
why it
worked on some computers and not others was something of a mystery -- I
tried
installing it on two computers with different OSs -- Win 98 and Windows
OS/2,
and it crashed on both. Unlike programs like Legacy, you have to pay
upfront
for TMG, and if it doesn't work you don't get your money back, so trying a
different version seems too much of a risk to me, and might be throwing
good
money after bad.
Was this with the current version of TMG? If not, TMG is now available as a
fully functional 30 day trial.
-
Steve Hayes
Re: META - Making the best use of newsgroups
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:01:08 GMT, sull1927@adelphia.net (J. Hugh Sullivan)
wrote:
Now wasn't that rather combative and confrontational of you?
--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/
wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:32:48 -0500, Huntersglenn
You do not speak for me, nor have you
asked me if I cared.
No, I just obviously yanked your chain.
Now wasn't that rather combative and confrontational of you?
--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/
-
Dennis
Re: Is this the event recording program I've been looking fo
We at Genota always welcome constructive criticism, and frequently take
on board suggestions and comments offered. There are a lot of features
in our products that have come about as a result of listening to the
needs of our users and critics alike, and the format of our products
are
now to a great degree user-driven. As well as listening and taking on
board constructive critism, we also reserve the right to address any
unfair comments that we receive.
Considering the negativity of Lars' comments of the 22nd January
2006,
we would like to respond to the following:-
1) Apparently you can only try it by answering a lot of personal
information. There are four questions, only two of which it is
mandatory
to complete for the purposes of downloading.
For the information of anyone reading this who may not have attempted a
Genota download the questions are:-
a) Name. This field is mandatory, but it need not even be real. You can
call yourself Superman or King Henry VIII if you wish. The reason that
we want a name is that it humanises our user base for us rather than us
having just a number of 'users' out there. Also, should we have
reason
to be in touch with you personally we can call you something other than
'User Number 12385.
b) Email Address. Again, this is a mandatory field. The email address
must be a valid email address format that is kept should you wish to
purchase a registration key so that we can keep interested parties
up-to-date with what we are doing via newsletters etc.
c) What Family History software do you use? Optional question. This is
not meant to be an intrusive question, but rather so that we can see
get
a feel for the most popular software being used by people who are
interested in Genota. The reason for wanting to know this is that it
will help us with future decisions when we look at linking other Family
History Packages into Genota.
d) How did hear about Genota? This is also an optional question, and is
a very common question asked by thousands of companies the world over.
It is natural to want to know how most people are hearing of your
product to help guide future marketing decisions.
I believe to any fair-minded reader that the above points would dispel
the statement 'Apparently you can only try it by answering a lot of
personal information.'
2) I cannot see a lot of description on how the features are supposed
to
work. With a very little bit of looking, you can. At the support page,
click on the link on on-line help and you can see the entire Genota
help
file, including screen shots of every screen and full explanation of
use. (There is also full access to the Genota Forms help as well, which
is just as comprehensive). For further information, at the Genota home
page, you can click on the details link and be taken to a page which
has
a basic outline of Genota, and then you can download the Product
Information Brochure PDF. On this page there is also a link to view a
list of the key features, and another link to go to the 'How do you
use
Genota page'.
3) (continued from above point)...and not a lot of arguing about how
this
program excels in what it claims do do. Again, we have written about
this on the page stated at
point 2. If you're not interested in the product from what is
available
on the web page, then you're not interested, but if there is further
that you want to know that you haven't been able to find on the web
page, we always welcome queries (even if they are from Superman or King
Henry VIII)..
4) Furthermore, the archives of the alleged user group is empty, which
seems to suggest a quite modest following. The following is a copy of
the text sent to all people for whom we had email addresses. "With
getting Genota 4 out of the door, the Forum never made the move across
to the new web host with the rest
of the site but is now up and running once more. Unfortunately , we
lost
all posts and those persons who we registered will need to re-register.
Please note that the Questions and Answers and Wish List areas are only
accessible on registration.".
This was posted on the 19th January, and the same information can be
seen on a posting under 'News & Information', on the Forum.
Lars' estimation that we have a very modest user base, is however,
correct. We have not devoted 100% of our time to Genota, and are
looking
at increasing our marketing activities in the future. However, with the
user base that we do have, the forum was quite busy before it was lost.
We have also found that a lot of users contact us directly with queries
& problems because they have found that they always get a response
within twenty four hours. Thankyou Lars for highlighting the fact that
perhaps we should be encouraging our users to better utilise the forum.
Incidently 80% of our users, many of whom have been with us since day
one, have recently upgraded to version 4 .
All things considered, we feel that we have answered Lars seemingly
biased criticisms, and welcome any queries that anyone may have related
to our products.
Regards
Dennis Allsopp
Ausgen Family History Services
on board suggestions and comments offered. There are a lot of features
in our products that have come about as a result of listening to the
needs of our users and critics alike, and the format of our products
are
now to a great degree user-driven. As well as listening and taking on
board constructive critism, we also reserve the right to address any
unfair comments that we receive.
Considering the negativity of Lars' comments of the 22nd January
2006,
we would like to respond to the following:-
1) Apparently you can only try it by answering a lot of personal
information. There are four questions, only two of which it is
mandatory
to complete for the purposes of downloading.
For the information of anyone reading this who may not have attempted a
Genota download the questions are:-
a) Name. This field is mandatory, but it need not even be real. You can
call yourself Superman or King Henry VIII if you wish. The reason that
we want a name is that it humanises our user base for us rather than us
having just a number of 'users' out there. Also, should we have
reason
to be in touch with you personally we can call you something other than
'User Number 12385.
b) Email Address. Again, this is a mandatory field. The email address
must be a valid email address format that is kept should you wish to
purchase a registration key so that we can keep interested parties
up-to-date with what we are doing via newsletters etc.
c) What Family History software do you use? Optional question. This is
not meant to be an intrusive question, but rather so that we can see
get
a feel for the most popular software being used by people who are
interested in Genota. The reason for wanting to know this is that it
will help us with future decisions when we look at linking other Family
History Packages into Genota.
d) How did hear about Genota? This is also an optional question, and is
a very common question asked by thousands of companies the world over.
It is natural to want to know how most people are hearing of your
product to help guide future marketing decisions.
I believe to any fair-minded reader that the above points would dispel
the statement 'Apparently you can only try it by answering a lot of
personal information.'
2) I cannot see a lot of description on how the features are supposed
to
work. With a very little bit of looking, you can. At the support page,
click on the link on on-line help and you can see the entire Genota
help
file, including screen shots of every screen and full explanation of
use. (There is also full access to the Genota Forms help as well, which
is just as comprehensive). For further information, at the Genota home
page, you can click on the details link and be taken to a page which
has
a basic outline of Genota, and then you can download the Product
Information Brochure PDF. On this page there is also a link to view a
list of the key features, and another link to go to the 'How do you
use
Genota page'.
3) (continued from above point)...and not a lot of arguing about how
this
program excels in what it claims do do. Again, we have written about
this on the page stated at
point 2. If you're not interested in the product from what is
available
on the web page, then you're not interested, but if there is further
that you want to know that you haven't been able to find on the web
page, we always welcome queries (even if they are from Superman or King
Henry VIII)..
4) Furthermore, the archives of the alleged user group is empty, which
seems to suggest a quite modest following. The following is a copy of
the text sent to all people for whom we had email addresses. "With
getting Genota 4 out of the door, the Forum never made the move across
to the new web host with the rest
of the site but is now up and running once more. Unfortunately , we
lost
all posts and those persons who we registered will need to re-register.
Please note that the Questions and Answers and Wish List areas are only
accessible on registration.".
This was posted on the 19th January, and the same information can be
seen on a posting under 'News & Information', on the Forum.
Lars' estimation that we have a very modest user base, is however,
correct. We have not devoted 100% of our time to Genota, and are
looking
at increasing our marketing activities in the future. However, with the
user base that we do have, the forum was quite busy before it was lost.
We have also found that a lot of users contact us directly with queries
& problems because they have found that they always get a response
within twenty four hours. Thankyou Lars for highlighting the fact that
perhaps we should be encouraging our users to better utilise the forum.
Incidently 80% of our users, many of whom have been with us since day
one, have recently upgraded to version 4 .
All things considered, we feel that we have answered Lars seemingly
biased criticisms, and welcome any queries that anyone may have related
to our products.
Regards
Dennis Allsopp
Ausgen Family History Services