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janhig

National Geographic Genographic project

Legg inn av janhig » 25 apr 2005 22:27:21

Thought some of you might be interested in this. They collect DNA samples
and trace the origins of genetic markers and try to determine geographic
origins.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic

They have a kit that you can use to join the project, by submitting your
DNA.

Gjest

Re: National Geographic Genographic project

Legg inn av Gjest » 25 apr 2005 22:45:39

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:27:21 GMT, "janhig" <janhig@prodigy.net> wrote:

Thought some of you might be interested in this. They collect DNA samples
and trace the origins of genetic markers and try to determine geographic
origins.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic

They have a kit that you can use to join the project, by submitting your
DNA.

What kind of "results" will I be able to get? Is there a sample of what the
"results" will look like? I could find this anywhere on the site.

--

Dennis K.

Gjest

Re: National Geographic Genographic project

Legg inn av Gjest » 25 apr 2005 22:48:18

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:27:21 GMT, "janhig" <janhig@prodigy.net> wrote:

Thought some of you might be interested in this. They collect DNA samples
and trace the origins of genetic markers and try to determine geographic
origins.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic

They have a kit that you can use to join the project, by submitting your
DNA.

What kind of "results" will I be able to get? Is there a sample of what the
"results" will look like? I couldn't find this anywhere on the site.

--

Dennis K.

Huntersglenn

Re: National Geographic Genographic project

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 25 apr 2005 23:21:32

Dennis K. wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:27:21 GMT, "janhig" <janhig@prodigy.net> wrote:


Thought some of you might be interested in this. They collect DNA samples
and trace the origins of genetic markers and try to determine geographic
origins.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic

They have a kit that you can use to join the project, by submitting your
DNA.


What kind of "results" will I be able to get? Is there a sample of what the
"results" will look like? I couldn't find this anywhere on the site.

The results are explained under "Your Genetic Journey". This is not

something that will come straight out and state that you're directly
related to certain individuals, nor will it reveal any health-related
issues. The aim of this project is to track mankinds migration patterns
over the centuries, so the results that you'll see will be showing you
where your earliest ancestor originated and where your ancestors moved
on from that point. There is a fee for this, $99.99, which is used to
help cover the costs of them doing DNA sampling from indigenous tribes
(they have a five year goal for doing all of the sampling and mapping
because a lot of the tribes are losing people to progress).

If you're interested in having your DNA reveal genealogical kinship,
then there's a separate company doing a project for that.

Hope that helps,

Cathy

Gjest

Re: National Geographic Genographic project

Legg inn av Gjest » 26 apr 2005 00:05:41

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:21:32 -0400, Huntersglenn <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote:

The results are explained under "Your Genetic Journey".

They still don't do a very good job of explaining EXACTLY what these results
consist of. For example, will it include the markers that were tested and
their values? It doesn't sound like it does.

It would be nice to see a sample.

--

Thanks,

Dennis K.

The Cranky Genee

Re: National Geographic Genographic project

Legg inn av The Cranky Genee » 26 apr 2005 00:50:18

Dennis I emailed them about the same thing. They wrote back saying
there will be more information about what the dna will show in May on
their website.

The Cranky Genee




On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:05:41 -0400, Dennis K. wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:21:32 -0400, Huntersglenn <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote:

The results are explained under "Your Genetic Journey".

They still don't do a very good job of explaining EXACTLY what these results
consist of. For example, will it include the markers that were tested and
their values? It doesn't sound like it does.

It would be nice to see a sample.

--

Thanks,

Dennis K.

Csaba Gabor

Re: National Geographic Genographic project

Legg inn av Csaba Gabor » 26 apr 2005 00:54:53

Huntersglenn wrote:
If you're interested in having your DNA reveal genealogical kinship,
then there's a separate company doing a project for that.

What company is that?

Csaba Gabor from Vienna

Althiom

Re: National Geographic Genographic project

Legg inn av Althiom » 26 apr 2005 01:27:46

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:05:41 -0400, Dennis K. wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:21:32 -0400, Huntersglenn <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote:

The results are explained under "Your Genetic Journey".

They still don't do a very good job of explaining EXACTLY what these results
consist of. For example, will it include the markers that were tested and
their values? It doesn't sound like it does.

It would be nice to see a sample.

As I understand it, what this experiment is attempting to prove is
that everyone originated from one female that was in africa, upteen
gazillion years ago. The way this is done is by tracking the
mydrocondrial (?) dna, which apparently does change all that much.

Unless you were a genetic scientist just what markers they are
tracking would be just a bunch of gobbly gook because if you stop
and think of it all they are really looking for is an amino acid
located at a certain location in the dna chain (or it is probably more
accurate that they are looking for a series of amino acids located
at a certain location on the dna chain.) And one other thing dna is
made up of only 4 substances named, I don't really recall but they
substances have the initials A T G C so any results would look
something like this:

A T C G
G C A T
C A T G
T A G C
ETC
ETC
ETC

Not very helpful, again unless you a genetics type scientist.


The overall results would be something like this:

Your dna markers have been found in the following locations :
USA
RUSSIA
POLAND
etc
etc
etc

Althiom

Dave Hinz

Re: National Geographic Genographic project

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 26 apr 2005 01:35:34

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:27:46 -0400, Althiom <gbell3@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
Your dna markers have been found in the following locations :
USA
RUSSIA
POLAND
etc
etc
etc

Well, no. mtDNA mutations happen at a specific rate, and the accumulation
of errors will show how long since the DNA diverged from a specific line,
and which sub-line it's from. Keep in mind also that, because sperm have no
mitochondiral DNA passed to the offspring that this is a pure maternal line
that it documents. I know mine goes as far as Norway, but I'm not sure who
went there when. But, it's safe to say that my maternal line goes straight
there and whoever settled Norway would show up in such a study.

Huntersglenn

Re: National Geographic Genographic project

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 26 apr 2005 02:21:19

Althiom wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:05:41 -0400, Dennis K. wrote:


On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:21:32 -0400, Huntersglenn <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote:


The results are explained under "Your Genetic Journey".

They still don't do a very good job of explaining EXACTLY what these results
consist of. For example, will it include the markers that were tested and
their values? It doesn't sound like it does.

It would be nice to see a sample.


As I understand it, what this experiment is attempting to prove is
that everyone originated from one female that was in africa, upteen
gazillion years ago. The way this is done is by tracking the
mydrocondrial (?) dna, which apparently does change all that much.


They will be looking at the mitochondria DNA for women, and the
mitochondria DNA and Y-chromosone marker for the men. The Y-chromosone
marker passes directly from father to son, so if a woman wants to find
out the migration pattern of her maiden name, she'll need to get her
father or brothers, or male cousins to send in samples. There is a news
release link on the National Geographic site for the project that
explains it a lot better than I can <g>.

Cathy

Huntersglenn

Re: National Geographic Genographic project

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 26 apr 2005 02:25:09

Csaba Gabor wrote:

Huntersglenn wrote:

If you're interested in having your DNA reveal genealogical kinship,
then there's a separate company doing a project for that.


What company is that?

Csaba Gabor from Vienna

The article about the National Geographic project that was in our local
paper mentioned Family Tree DNA, a firm in Houston. I know that a lot
of people have been using them, but I have no idea if they're the only
company out there providing DNA testing for genealogical purporses.

Their web site is:
http://www.familytreedna.com/

Cathy

Gjest

Re: National Geographic Genographic project

Legg inn av Gjest » 26 apr 2005 12:16:36

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:25:09 -0400, Huntersglenn <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote:

but I have no idea if they're the only
company out there providing DNA testing for genealogical purporses.

Also Relative Genetics at...

http://www.relativegenetics.com/

--

Dennis K.

Gjest

Re: National Geographic Genographic project

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 apr 2005 19:30:26

My impression is that they are doing deep ancestry testing. I've learned
the hard way ($$$) the difference between "deep ancestry" and
"ancestry."

I submitted two cousins' samples to a DNA testing company for
Y-chromosome testing and they both came back as "Africa" with a time
frame of about 46,000 years ago.

Another cousin's mtDNA came back as "Ethiopia" with a time frame of
about 50,000 years ago.

I was hoping for something just a touch more recent than either, say 500
years ago???

The Y-chromosome test did not use markers, but used SNPs, so I can't
even get their results re-analyzed for a more recent ancestry at another
company I'd like to use. So now I start over with new samples to get
'shallow' ancestry testing. ;^)

The mtDNA results gave me the sequence and the mutation points so I can
re-submit that to the "other" company without having to start from
scratch, or should I say 'swab?"

tootncmon

Gjest

Re: National Geographic Genographic project

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 apr 2005 21:03:58

Here's a link to an article about another DNA "project" (Sorensen) which
was posted at another forum.

There is a brief reference to the National Geographic project a quite a
ways down the page that may answer questions about the type of study
they are doing.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,600129402,00.html

toot

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