Godfrey.org census help needed

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dsk

Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av dsk » 10 apr 2005 02:55:40

Can anyone tell me if Godfrey contains the 1890, 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930
census information for New York? I checked out the website and was not able
to locate these. Did I miss something? Is it available to just members?
Is Ancestry.com the only place I can find them? Any advice would be much
appreciate. Thanks

Diane

Robert Heiling

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 10 apr 2005 03:36:15

dsk wrote:

Can anyone tell me if Godfrey contains the 1890, 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930
census information for New York?

Only to the extent that it is a gateway to Heritage Quest which has those except
for 1890 as there ain't no such thing.

I checked out the website and was not able
to locate these. Did I miss something? Is it available to just members?

That's right. You first need to pay a $35/yr subscription fee to become a
"Godfrey Scholar" and you will then have access.

Is Ancestry.com the only place I can find them?

After paying a $200/yr subscription fee as I understand it.

Any advice would be much
appreciate.

Hope this helps.

Bob

singhals

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av singhals » 10 apr 2005 18:29:32

dsk wrote:
Can anyone tell me if Godfrey contains the 1890, 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930
census information for New York? I checked out the website and was not able
to locate these. Did I miss something? Is it available to just members?

Yes,they've got 1900-1930; the 1890 doesn't exist even in fragments for
NY, but the 1890 SPECIAL census does and should be available.

Is Ancestry.com the only place I can find them?

Nope. Any good public or university library should be able to borrow
the films on Interlibrary Loan from another libary or from the US
National Archives. Additionally, any Family History Center in the US
probably has access to Ancestry which is free to the patron, and they
can certainly order up the microfilm from Salt Lake City. Also, many
USGenWeb sites have one or more census transcription projects on-line at
no cost to the viewer.

HTH

Cheryl

Robert Heiling

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 10 apr 2005 21:30:54

Lorine McGinnis Schulze wrote:

On 9 Apr 2005 at 19:36, Robert Heiling wrote:
dsk wrote:

Can anyone tell me if Godfrey contains the 1890, 1900,
1910, 1920 and 1930 census information for New York?

Only to the extent that it is a gateway to Heritage Quest
which has those except for 1890 as there ain't no such
thing.

Is Ancestry.com the only place I can find them?

After paying a $200/yr subscription fee as I understand it.

The US Census Collection is less than 100.00 or you can
take a 2 week free trial. Last time I looked the US Record
Collection (which included Census) was around 80.00/yr

At that price, it sounds very much like the Index-Only version with NO
CENSUS IMAGES that they have been passing off at a lower price. The $200
is the figure that I have seen mentioned here by numerous people for the
version with images. I've looked any number of times in the past for
their pricelist without success. Could you please direct me to one that
lists all their online products along with prices?

See http://allcensusrecords.com/usa/ for a comparison chart
by year of the census records and who has what.

That page isn't a comparison chart. Did I miss something? It sure looks
just like another big advertisement for Ancestry along with the usual
affiliate program stuff.

Bob

Lorine McGinnis Schulze

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Lorine McGinnis Schulze » 10 apr 2005 21:50:03

On 9 Apr 2005 at 19:36, Robert Heiling wrote:

dsk wrote:

Can anyone tell me if Godfrey contains the 1890, 1900,
1910, 1920 and 1930 census information for New York?

Only to the extent that it is a gateway to Heritage Quest
which has those except for 1890 as there ain't no such
thing.



Is Ancestry.com the only place I can find them?

After paying a $200/yr subscription fee as I understand it.




The US Census Collection is less than 100.00 or you can
take a 2 week free trial. Last time I looked the US Record
Collection (which included Census) was around 80.00/yr

See http://allcensusrecords.com/usa/ for a comparison chart
by year of the census records and who has what.

Lorine

-- Lorine McGinnis Schulze

* Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists)
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/
* Naturalization Records
http://naturalizationrecords.com/
* Images of Ships Lists
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/

otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

Doug Chadduck

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Doug Chadduck » 10 apr 2005 22:36:38

Lorine McGinnis Schulze wrote:
On 9 Apr 2005 at 19:36, Robert Heiling wrote:

dsk wrote:

Can anyone tell me if Godfrey contains the 1890, 1900,
1910, 1920 and 1930 census information for New York?

Only to the extent that it is a gateway to Heritage Quest
which has those except for 1890 as there ain't no such
thing.



Is Ancestry.com the only place I can find them?

After paying a $200/yr subscription fee as I understand it.




The US Census Collection is less than 100.00 or you can
take a 2 week free trial. Last time I looked the US Record
Collection (which included Census) was around 80.00/yr

See http://allcensusrecords.com/usa/ for a comparison chart
by year of the census records and who has what.

Lorine

Comparison??? One click straight to Ancestry.com is all I got.
-- Lorine McGinnis Schulze

* Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists)
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/
* Naturalization Records
http://naturalizationrecords.com/
* Images of Ships Lists
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/

otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

Christopher Jahn

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 10 apr 2005 23:07:08

Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in
news:42598CFE.FA310E75@comcast.net:

Lorine McGinnis Schulze wrote:

On 9 Apr 2005 at 19:36, Robert Heiling wrote:

After paying a $200/yr subscription fee as I understand it.

The US Census Collection is less than 100.00 or you can
take a 2 week free trial. Last time I looked the US Record
Collection (which included Census) was around 80.00/yr

At that price, it sounds very much like the Index-Only version with NO
CENSUS IMAGES that they have been passing off at a lower price. The
$200 is the figure that I have seen mentioned here by numerous people
for the version with images. I've looked any number of times in the
past for their pricelist without success. Could you please direct me
to one that lists all their online products along with prices?


No, the US Census collection is $79 per year, and includes images,
database, soudex search, and the works. The collection has improved
since I first subscribed to it; Not only have they added more census
images, they have updated the existing collections with better scans and
indexing.

Rob, you've been less than accurate in your comments on Ancestry.com in
the past, and I frankly advise everyone to ignore you on this subject.



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Robert Heiling

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 10 apr 2005 23:27:38

Christopher Jahn wrote:

Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in
news:42598CFE.FA310E75@comcast.net:

Lorine McGinnis Schulze wrote:

On 9 Apr 2005 at 19:36, Robert Heiling wrote:

After paying a $200/yr subscription fee as I understand it.

The US Census Collection is less than 100.00 or you can
take a 2 week free trial. Last time I looked the US Record
Collection (which included Census) was around 80.00/yr

At that price, it sounds very much like the Index-Only version with NO
CENSUS IMAGES that they have been passing off at a lower price. The
$200 is the figure that I have seen mentioned here by numerous people
for the version with images. I've looked any number of times in the
past for their pricelist without success. Could you please direct me
to one that lists all their online products along with prices?

No, the US Census collection is $79 per year,

Guess I have to take your word for it, but you said a blanket "No" and I
have only Ancestry's word to go on:
<http://landing.ancestry.com/records/records.aspx?html=records_offer_v2>
where it says: "U.S. Records Collection . . . What Do You Get?. . U.S.
Federal Census Indexes"!

What was it that was "less than accurate"? - and who is it really who is
"less than accurate"?

and includes images,
database, soudex search, and the works. The collection has improved
since I first subscribed to it; Not only have they added more census
images, they have updated the existing collections with better scans and
indexing.

What images could they have "added" to that package if it included the
images in the first place as you claim?

Rob, you've been less than accurate in your comments on Ancestry.com in
the past, and I frankly advise everyone to ignore you on this subject.

Take I good look in the mirror, Buster. I'll be waiting for your apology.

Bob

Christopher Jahn

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 10 apr 2005 23:48:24

Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in
news:4259A85A.80238F9C@comcast.net:

Christopher Jahn wrote:

Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in
news:42598CFE.FA310E75@comcast.net:

Lorine McGinnis Schulze wrote:

On 9 Apr 2005 at 19:36, Robert Heiling wrote:

After paying a $200/yr subscription fee as I understand it.

The US Census Collection is less than 100.00 or you can
take a 2 week free trial. Last time I looked the US Record
Collection (which included Census) was around 80.00/yr

At that price, it sounds very much like the Index-Only version with
NO CENSUS IMAGES that they have been passing off at a lower price.
The $200 is the figure that I have seen mentioned here by numerous
people for the version with images. I've looked any number of times
in the past for their pricelist without success. Could you please
direct me to one that lists all their online products along with
prices?

No, the US Census collection is $79 per year,

Guess I have to take your word for it, but you said a blanket "No" and
I have only Ancestry's word to go on:
http://landing.ancestry.com/records/rec ... s_offer_v2
where it says: "U.S. Records Collection . . . What Do You Get?. .
U.S. Federal Census Indexes"!

What was it that was "less than accurate"? - and who is it really who
is "less than accurate"?

OK, Bob, I'll just call you a liar and have done with it. You have
consistently derided Ancestry.com's pricing WITHOUT ACTUALLY KNOWING WHAT
IT IS. As someone doing research that involves massively referencing
your work, you should be able to determine a fact so easy to find. And
yet you constantly post "$200" without ever once having done the
research.

For $79, I have searched, viewed and downloaded hundreds of images using
the SEARCHABLE INDEX that takes me right to the image of the page in
question.


and includes images,
database, soudex search, and the works. The collection has improved
since I first subscribed to it; Not only have they added more census
images, they have updated the existing collections with better scans
and indexing.

What images could they have "added" to that package if it included the
images in the first place as you claim?


It always included all AVAILABLE images; they did not initially have the
1910 or 1900 images available - at all. They were not scanned yet.
Those images are now available. For the same $79 you claim is $200.


Rob, you've been less than accurate in your comments on Ancestry.com
in the past, and I frankly advise everyone to ignore you on this
subject.

Take I good look in the mirror, Buster. I'll be waiting for your
apology.

Don't hold your breath. You've been corrected time and again, so
repeating the misinformation isn't simply ignorance: it's willful
deception. I don't think you're intellectually honest enough to
apologize, so I won't wait for it.



--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

Trust I seek and I find in you, everyday to eat something new.

Robert Heiling

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 11 apr 2005 00:26:11

Christopher Jahn wrote:

Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in
news:4259A85A.80238F9C@comcast.net:
Christopher Jahn wrote:

Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in
news:42598CFE.FA310E75@comcast.net:

Lorine McGinnis Schulze wrote:

On 9 Apr 2005 at 19:36, Robert Heiling wrote:

After paying a $200/yr subscription fee as I understand it.

The US Census Collection is less than 100.00 or you can
take a 2 week free trial. Last time I looked the US Record
Collection (which included Census) was around 80.00/yr

At that price, it sounds very much like the Index-Only version with
NO CENSUS IMAGES that they have been passing off at a lower price.
The $200 is the figure that I have seen mentioned here by numerous
people for the version with images. I've looked any number of times
in the past for their pricelist without success. Could you please
direct me to one that lists all their online products along with
prices?

No, the US Census collection is $79 per year,

Guess I have to take your word for it, but you said a blanket "No" and
I have only Ancestry's word to go on:
http://landing.ancestry.com/records/rec ... s_offer_v2
where it says: "U.S. Records Collection . . . What Do You Get?. .
U.S. Federal Census Indexes"!

What was it that was "less than accurate"? - and who is it really who
is "less than accurate"?

OK, Bob, I'll just call you a liar and have done with it.

Let's see if I've got this right. You basically had already called me that,
but now that I've given you the hard evidence directly from Ancestry itself
that shows I was right, you dissolve into a temper tantrum. I assume that you
can't emotionally cope with being confronted with facts.

You have
consistently derided Ancestry.com's pricing WITHOUT ACTUALLY KNOWING WHAT
IT IS.

Then please inform me what it is. I'm always happy to receive corrected
information.

As someone doing research that involves massively referencing
your work, you should be able to determine a fact so easy to find. And
yet you constantly post "$200" without ever once having done the
research.

I'm not alone and I'm taking the word of a lot of others I've seen posted and
you can simply Google the newsgroups for that $200/$199.95 price, but if
you're so bright, point me to their price list. I've already requested it in
this thread.

For $79, I have searched, viewed and downloaded hundreds of images using
the SEARCHABLE INDEX that takes me right to the image of the page in
question.

Wonderful.

and includes images,
database, soudex search, and the works. The collection has improved
since I first subscribed to it; Not only have they added more census
images, they have updated the existing collections with better scans
and indexing.

What images could they have "added" to that package if it included the
images in the first place as you claim?


It always included all AVAILABLE images; they did not initially have the
1910 or 1900 images available - at all. They were not scanned yet.
Those images are now available. For the same $79 you claim is $200.

Wonderful.

Rob, you've been less than accurate in your comments on Ancestry.com
in the past, and I frankly advise everyone to ignore you on this
subject.

Take I good look in the mirror, Buster. I'll be waiting for your
apology.

Don't hold your breath. You've been corrected time and again, so
repeating the misinformation isn't simply ignorance: it's willful
deception. I don't think you're intellectually honest enough to
apologize, so I won't wait for it.

I surely won't hold my breath now that I know what it is I'm dealing with

Bob

dave

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av dave » 11 apr 2005 01:09:54

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:42598CFE.FA310E75@comcast.net...
Lorine McGinnis Schulze wrote:

On 9 Apr 2005 at 19:36, Robert Heiling wrote:
dsk wrote:

Can anyone tell me if Godfrey contains the 1890, 1900,
1910, 1920 and 1930 census information for New York?

Only to the extent that it is a gateway to Heritage Quest
which has those except for 1890 as there ain't no such
thing.

Is Ancestry.com the only place I can find them?

After paying a $200/yr subscription fee as I understand it.

The US Census Collection is less than 100.00 or you can
take a 2 week free trial. Last time I looked the US Record
Collection (which included Census) was around 80.00/yr

At that price, it sounds very much like the Index-Only version with NO
CENSUS IMAGES that they have been passing off at a lower price. The $200
is the figure that I have seen mentioned here by numerous people for the
version with images. I've looked any number of times in the past for
their pricelist without success. Could you please direct me to one that
lists all their online products along with prices?

See http://allcensusrecords.com/usa/ for a comparison chart
by year of the census records and who has what.

That page isn't a comparison chart. Did I miss something? It sure looks
just like another big advertisement for Ancestry along with the usual
affiliate program stuff.

Bob



Try
http://landing.ancestry.com/multisubs/s ... o_it=10477

Never anonymous Bud

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Never anonymous Bud » 11 apr 2005 01:33:42

Using a finger dipped in purple ink, "dave" <barbara-dave@adelphia.net> scribed:


But that still doesn't address the problem of someone like me,
who HAS no credit card.

Ancestry.com has NO provision for subscribing except by credit card,
and *I* believe that's because they WILL auto-renew you, and they
make it difficult to NOT have that happen.

They couldn't do that if they took checks or money orders.

:(






--

The truth is out there,

but it's not interesting enough for most people.

Bruce Remick

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Bruce Remick » 11 apr 2005 02:47:28

FWIW, for several years I have subscribed to Ancestry's census records at $79.95
a year (although their web page states $99.95), and to their US Records at
$39.95 a year (although their web page states it's $79.95). Confusing, eh? My
experience has been that they'll "work with you" on the price and/or
subscription duration when it comes time for your first renewal. I believe they
do have a package deal for $189.95 that may include these and some of their
other individual databases, but I have never been that interested. The link
below takes you to their list of options.

http://tinyurl.com/3htnn


Bruce

Robert Heiling

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 11 apr 2005 03:24:33

Bruce Remick wrote:

snip
The link below takes you to their list of options.

http://tinyurl.com/3htnn

Many thanks for the link!

Bob

Norman J. Garland

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Norman J. Garland » 11 apr 2005 06:30:55

Bob, the 189 price is what we have already paid, and that is without the
"One World Tree". If you have a subscription already, you will have to
delete all of your cookies. Then go to "Ancestry.com" as a new person.
In the upper right corner is the word subscribe. Click on it, and it
will tell you about the 199 subscription, which includes the "One World
Tree". Two months ago when I got mine, the One World Tree cost an extra
49 dollars. As a subscriber of the 189 one I can now get it for 39
dollars. I wish I could have for the 10 dollar differance between what I
paid and what it is now. Norman





















Robert Heiling wrote:

Bruce Remick wrote:

snip
The link below takes you to their list of options.

http://tinyurl.com/3htnn

Many thanks for the link!

Bob

L Covey

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av L Covey » 11 apr 2005 14:53:48

Never anonymous Bud wrote:
Using a finger dipped in purple ink, "dave" <barbara-dave@adelphia.net> scribed:


Try
http://landing.ancestry.com/multisubs/s ... o_it=10477


But that still doesn't address the problem of someone like me,
who HAS no credit card.

Ancestry.com has NO provision for subscribing except by credit card,
and *I* believe that's because they WILL auto-renew you, and they
make it difficult to NOT have that happen.

They couldn't do that if they took checks or money orders.

:(







Every year they call by phone to see if you want to renew. They are
very nice. Also they explain new record offers, if applicable. They do
not auto-renew.

LC

anna

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av anna » 11 apr 2005 16:29:30

The National Archives (NARA) have all the Federal Census on microfilm
for free. Libraries can "borrow" them for interlibrary loan (for a
small fee). You can order them from any Family History Center (for a
small fee). These are inexpensive ways to get the same information you
get from ancestry.com.

It's surprising what you can get from interlibrary loan and from the
Family History Center that you can't get from ancestry.com. You might
like to try out these two alternatives to internet searches just to see
how satisfying it can be.

Anna

Robert Heiling

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 11 apr 2005 16:37:02

Robert Heiling wrote:


My apologies for any formatting problems with that post.. My newsreader
software just had some weird type of hiccup that I've never seen happen
before.

Bob

Donna

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Donna » 11 apr 2005 17:54:39

I like to do census work at home---often in my housecoat with bare feet, I
must admit. So I do appreciate the at-home services, and I have both
Ancestry and HeritageQuest. I can browse throughout the various years and
places without putting on shoes (which I detest) and going to the local LDS
center or library (where I also must get dressed and cannot prop my feet up
and drink a diet Coke while I work). And I do a lot of my work at 3 a.m. or
so.

That's just my way. I admire the people who have a disciplined schedule,
etc. I wore suits and heels for thirty years, and now I like to flaunt my
barefooted, retired status. (Of course, I can no longer afford to buy
shoes.) :-)

I'm just being facetious here. To each his own. The various sources are
available to suit each one's needs.

Happy hunt---however you choose to do it---

Donna


"anna" <annasplace@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1113233370.413822.212430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The National Archives (NARA) have all the Federal Census on microfilm
for free. Libraries can "borrow" them for interlibrary loan (for a
small fee). You can order them from any Family History Center (for a
small fee). These are inexpensive ways to get the same information you
get from ancestry.com.

It's surprising what you can get from interlibrary loan and from the
Family History Center that you can't get from ancestry.com. You might
like to try out these two alternatives to internet searches just to see
how satisfying it can be.

Anna

Rick Merrill

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Rick Merrill » 11 apr 2005 18:06:43

Robert Heiling wrote:
....
As a footnote, the list of online information including *census images *
that is available via the Godfrey Library for $35/yr is shown at:
http://www.godfrey.org/OnlineResources2.html

It is helpful to know which census records have * computer searchable
indexes *.

e.g. HeritageQuestOnLine has all extant images (not all of 1930)
but only 1790, 1800, 1810, 1820
1860, 1870, part of 1890, and 1900, 1910, 1920 are searchable.

Rick Merrill

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Rick Merrill » 11 apr 2005 18:08:37

Donna wrote:

I like to do census work at home---often in my housecoat with bare feet, I
must admit. So I do appreciate the at-home services, and I have both
Ancestry and HeritageQuest.

Which Ancestry census records are searchable? Any free searches?

Robert Heiling

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 11 apr 2005 18:35:47

Rick Merrill wrote:

Robert Heiling wrote:
...
As a footnote, the list of online information including *census images *
that is available via the Godfrey Library for $35/yr is shown at:
http://www.godfrey.org/OnlineResources2.html

It is helpful to know which census records have * computer searchable
indexes *.

e.g. HeritageQuestOnLine has all extant images (not all of 1930)
but only 1790, 1800, 1810, 1820
1860, 1870, part of 1890, and 1900, 1910, 1920 are searchable.

I totally agree and it's just that we hadn't as yet gone into any of those
details for either service. I'd add that the computer index-searching differs
between the services. It's always possible in HQ to Browse through the images
for *all* years by Census Year-(1790-1930)-State-County-Location and I've used
that feature on many occassions. It should also be pointed out that HQ has
only HOH (head-of-household) indexes. HQ also has no wildcard searching
capability except for the cases of completely leaving out given-name and/or
surname.

Ancestry has HOH for some years and all-person indexes for others as I
understand it. It also has some kind of Soundex capability, but I'll leave it
to an Ancestry subscriber to explain exactly what options are available. I was
an Ancestry subscriber a few years ago, but they have changed since then both
in interface and in prices.

Bob

Gjest

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Gjest » 11 apr 2005 18:51:06

You go, Donna. My kinda researcher. Barefoot, 3 AM. Yep!

But, researchers should keep in mind that not everything IS online. You
may still need to go through dusty, old books or squint at microfilm,
some of which is truly awful, especially the 1910 US Federal Census.

I just got notified of the arrival of some microfilm I ordered thru the
Family History Center. Film that is not of wide enough interest to make
it profitable for Ancestry, Heritage Quest, etc., etc., to put online.
And since these are not charities, they do need to make money to stay in
business, and thereby make our research much easier than in the olden
days, before the internet. BTW, the film I ordered is a follow-up on
info found at Godfrey's site in old newspapers.

But, damn. Ya gotta get dressed! Shoes optional.

tootncmon

L Covey

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av L Covey » 11 apr 2005 20:13:37

anna wrote:
The National Archives (NARA) have all the Federal Census on microfilm
for free. Libraries can "borrow" them for interlibrary loan (for a
small fee). You can order them from any Family History Center (for a
small fee). These are inexpensive ways to get the same information you
get from ancestry.com.

It's surprising what you can get from interlibrary loan and from the
Family History Center that you can't get from ancestry.com. You might
like to try out these two alternatives to internet searches just to see
how satisfying it can be.

Anna


Good to know, but when a person does go to their library to view the
microfilm, one has to hope they have a decent printer to print what is
wanted.

Not trying to be negative, but that is my take on this.

LC

Christopher Jahn

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 12 apr 2005 00:48:51

Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in
news:425AB573.4D6E3E7A@comcast.net:

Ancestry has HOH for some years and all-person indexes for others as I
understand it. It also has some kind of Soundex capability, but I'll
leave it to an Ancestry subscriber to explain exactly what options are
available. I was an Ancestry subscriber a few years ago, but they have
changed since then both in interface and in prices.


I have successfully searched all available years indexed by names - the
last update brought all years to be indexed by all names on the census,
rather than just HOH. Soundex available on all available years, and it
works by comparing the structure of the name to similarly structured
names. You can refine the search by adding aproximate birth year, place
of birth, place of residence, and several other variables depending on
what census data would be available.


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{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

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Christopher Jahn

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 12 apr 2005 00:55:18

Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in
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dave wrote:

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Lorine McGinnis Schulze wrote:
snip
Try
http://landing.ancestry.com/multisubs/s ... mremove&o_
iid=10480&o_lid=10480&o_it=10477

I'd like to thank you also for that link. I hadn't thanked you
yesterday because it took me to a website advertising the $199.95
package. However, which Ancestry page one gets appears to depend upon
upon cookies and/or cache because I cleared those this morning and
got the same list of prices that someone else had later pointed me to.

So let's summarize as to what *census* with *images* are available
from Ancestry.

$200/yr ($199.95) A *bundle* including Annual Historical Newspapers,
Annual U.S. Records Collection, Annual U.S. Immigration Collection,
Annual U.S. Census Images and Indexes. This is the one for $200 that I
have been quoting in good faith. Source:
https://msn.ancestry.com/subscribe/free ... 2126&ref=m
sn.ancestry.com&ti=5541

$100/yr ($99.95) or $160/yr (4x$39.95) Depending on whether paid in
lump sum or quarterly. This is a census-only subscription and includes
nothing else as far as I can determine. Source:
http://landing.ancestry.com/multisubs/s ... remove&o_i
id=10480&o_lid=10480&o_it=10477

Those are the current prices as advertised by Ancestry itself and not
my own invention. I'm not aware of any other census with *images*
subscription that might be available from Ancestry, but would be happy
to be informed.

As a footnote, the list of online information including *census images
* that is available via the Godfrey Library for $35/yr is shown at:
http://www.godfrey.org/OnlineResources2.html

Bob



See? That wasn't so hard.

BTW, while those are the posted prices, they are always offering
specials. Even though the "census only" price is listed at 99.95, it's
usually discounted to $79.95. And if it's not listed, call and ask for
that price.

You can also order any specific subscription without any other
subscription - you can order JUST the historic newspaper section for
example. They always discount additional subscriptions once you've got
one going.

Historic Newspapers offers images of the papers, as does Family and Local
Histories. You can also download images of WWI draft registration cards,
and even some Civil War records images.

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Christopher Jahn

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 12 apr 2005 01:01:38

L Covey <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in news:B%z6e.560123$w62.238226
@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

anna wrote:
The National Archives (NARA) have all the Federal Census on microfilm
for free. Libraries can "borrow" them for interlibrary loan (for a
small fee). You can order them from any Family History Center (for a
small fee). These are inexpensive ways to get the same information you
get from ancestry.com.

It's surprising what you can get from interlibrary loan and from the
Family History Center that you can't get from ancestry.com. You might
like to try out these two alternatives to internet searches just to
see
how satisfying it can be.

Anna


Good to know, but when a person does go to their library to view the
microfilm, one has to hope they have a decent printer to print what is
wanted.


My mother was down last weekend with a map image she printed off of
microfilm showing my ancestors' farm.

The image wasn't "set", so all the ink wiped off when she pointed out the
family name.

Not trying to be negative, but that is my take on this.

It's a very valid point. Mom's heading back to Cecilton with a digital
camera this time.



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Bruce Remick

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Bruce Remick » 12 apr 2005 01:52:04

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Rick Merrill wrote:

Robert Heiling wrote:
...
As a footnote, the list of online information including *census images *
that is available via the Godfrey Library for $35/yr is shown at:
http://www.godfrey.org/OnlineResources2.html

It is helpful to know which census records have * computer searchable
indexes *.

e.g. HeritageQuestOnLine has all extant images (not all of 1930)
but only 1790, 1800, 1810, 1820
1860, 1870, part of 1890, and 1900, 1910, 1920 are searchable.

I totally agree and it's just that we hadn't as yet gone into any of those
details for either service. I'd add that the computer index-searching differs
between the services. It's always possible in HQ to Browse through the images
for *all* years by Census Year-(1790-1930)-State-County-Location and I've used
that feature on many occassions. It should also be pointed out that HQ has
only HOH (head-of-household) indexes. HQ also has no wildcard searching
capability except for the cases of completely leaving out given-name and/or
surname.

Ancestry has HOH for some years and all-person indexes for others as I
understand it. It also has some kind of Soundex capability, but I'll leave it
to an Ancestry subscriber to explain exactly what options are available. I was
an Ancestry subscriber a few years ago, but they have changed since then both
in interface and in prices.

Bob

Every federal census year from 1790 through 1930, except for 1910 and 1920, is
indexed and searchable by every-name and "soundex" using Ancestry. The 1910 and
1920 are indexed but searchable only by head of household. I think there are a
couple states left to complete in 1900, too. (And of course, the only name that
appears in pre-1850 census is that of the head of household.)

I just got a call today from Ancestry letting me know my census subscription is
due for renewal on 1 May. The renewal cost is normally $99.95, but only $89.90
if I also would take their OneWorldTree as a bonus. I actually don't want or
need the Tree thing, but I succumbed to their convoluted pricing logic and went
with the $89.90 deal. Next year the price and package offer will probably
change again. If Godfrey ever enhances their census search capabilities, I will
most likely drop Ancestry and save over a hundred bucks a year by using Godfrey.

Bruce

Celia Mitschelen

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Celia Mitschelen » 12 apr 2005 02:36:21

"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:B%z6e.560123$w62.238226@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
anna wrote:
The National Archives (NARA) have all the Federal Census on microfilm
for free. Libraries can "borrow" them for interlibrary loan (for a
small fee). You can order them from any Family History Center (for a
small fee). These are inexpensive ways to get the same information you
get from ancestry.com.

It's surprising what you can get from interlibrary loan and from the
Family History Center that you can't get from ancestry.com. You might
like to try out these two alternatives to internet searches just to see
how satisfying it can be.

Anna


Good to know, but when a person does go to their library to view the
microfilm, one has to hope they have a decent printer to print what is
wanted.

Not trying to be negative, but that is my take on this.

LC

Take your digital camera along. Turn off the flash and find something to
lean agaist to steady it and snap away. I have three rolls of microfilm on
my hard drive naot to mention the pile of archived documents I photographed.

Celia

Robert Heiling

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 12 apr 2005 16:32:44

Bruce Remick wrote:

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:425AB573.4D6E3E7A@comcast.net...
Rick Merrill wrote:

Robert Heiling wrote:
...
As a footnote, the list of online information including *census images *
that is available via the Godfrey Library for $35/yr is shown at:
http://www.godfrey.org/OnlineResources2.html

It is helpful to know which census records have * computer searchable
indexes *.

e.g. HeritageQuestOnLine has all extant images (not all of 1930)
but only 1790, 1800, 1810, 1820
1860, 1870, part of 1890, and 1900, 1910, 1920 are searchable.

I totally agree and it's just that we hadn't as yet gone into any of those
details for either service. I'd add that the computer index-searching differs
between the services. It's always possible in HQ to Browse through the images
for *all* years by Census Year-(1790-1930)-State-County-Location and I've used
that feature on many occassions. It should also be pointed out that HQ has
only HOH (head-of-household) indexes. HQ also has no wildcard searching
capability except for the cases of completely leaving out given-name and/or
surname.

Ancestry has HOH for some years and all-person indexes for others as I
understand it. It also has some kind of Soundex capability, but I'll leave it
to an Ancestry subscriber to explain exactly what options are available. I was
an Ancestry subscriber a few years ago, but they have changed since then both
in interface and in prices.

Bob

Every federal census year from 1790 through 1930, except for 1910 and 1920, is
indexed and searchable by every-name and "soundex" using Ancestry. The 1910 and
1920 are indexed but searchable only by head of household. I think there are a
couple states left to complete in 1900, too. (And of course, the only name that
appears in pre-1850 census is that of the head of household.)

Thanks for filling in those Ancestry details as I didn't have that particular
information at hand. That should complete my effort of getting all of the true
*facts* regarding Ancestry pricing here and demonstrating in the process that the
$200 I was quoting is a real price.

I just got a call today from Ancestry letting me know my census subscription is
due for renewal on 1 May.

They would be crazy not to call. It's much easier and cheaper to retain an existing
customer than to recruit a new one. Looks like they were calling well in advance
before you might have had any chance to make a firm decision to cancel.

The renewal cost is normally $99.95,

Yes, that's the normal price. Thanks for your honesty! There are others spreading
false pricing information here and that's why I am grateful.

but only $89.90
if I also would take their OneWorldTree as a bonus.

That's most likely the carrot on a stick that the salesperson was already armed with
in case you were thinking of cancelling. It costs them nothing extra and makes you
feel good.

I actually don't want or
need the Tree thing, but I succumbed to their convoluted pricing logic and went
with the $89.90 deal.

They're still even or ahead of the game at that price. If anyone orders online, it's
virtually guaranteed that Ancestry will have to pay a minimum of 10% commission to
one of their "Affiliates" per the schedule at:
http://www.ancestry.com/home/partner/commissions.asp
because of all the cookies that the Affiliates have loaded onto people's computers
to track commissions. So $99.95 less $10 (10% commission) = $89.95 It could be as
much as 30%: $99.95-$30=$69.95 if I understand correctly. If the ordering is toll
free direct by telephone to Ancestry instead of online by computer, the Affiliate
would be out of the loop and commission avoided..

Next year the price and package offer will probably
change again. If Godfrey ever enhances their census search capabilities, I will
most likely drop Ancestry and save over a hundred bucks a year by using Godfrey.

That may never happen according to the scuttlebutt I've seen posted from time to
time, but nevertheless, HQ has served my own purposes well both for my own research
and for helping others.

Bob

L Covey

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av L Covey » 16 apr 2005 01:48:46

Celia Mitschelen wrote:

"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:B%z6e.560123$w62.238226@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

anna wrote:

The National Archives (NARA) have all the Federal Census on microfilm
for free. Libraries can "borrow" them for interlibrary loan (for a
small fee). You can order them from any Family History Center (for a
small fee). These are inexpensive ways to get the same information you
get from ancestry.com.

It's surprising what you can get from interlibrary loan and from the
Family History Center that you can't get from ancestry.com. You might
like to try out these two alternatives to internet searches just to see
how satisfying it can be.

Anna


Good to know, but when a person does go to their library to view the
microfilm, one has to hope they have a decent printer to print what is
wanted.

Not trying to be negative, but that is my take on this.

LC


Take your digital camera along. Turn off the flash and find something to
lean agaist to steady it and snap away. I have three rolls of microfilm on
my hard drive naot to mention the pile of archived documents I photographed.

Celia


Thanks, I need to read the directions to see how to turn off the flash.

can´t believe I can´t figure that out on my own.

;-)
Lani

L Covey

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av L Covey » 16 apr 2005 01:49:22

Christopher Jahn wrote:

L Covey <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in news:B%z6e.560123$w62.238226
@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:


anna wrote:

The National Archives (NARA) have all the Federal Census on microfilm
for free. Libraries can "borrow" them for interlibrary loan (for a
small fee). You can order them from any Family History Center (for a
small fee). These are inexpensive ways to get the same information you
get from ancestry.com.

It's surprising what you can get from interlibrary loan and from the
Family History Center that you can't get from ancestry.com. You might
like to try out these two alternatives to internet searches just to

see

how satisfying it can be.

Anna


Good to know, but when a person does go to their library to view the
microfilm, one has to hope they have a decent printer to print what is
wanted.



My mother was down last weekend with a map image she printed off of
microfilm showing my ancestors' farm.

The image wasn't "set", so all the ink wiped off when she pointed out the
family name.


Not trying to be negative, but that is my take on this.


It's a very valid point. Mom's heading back to Cecilton with a digital
camera this time.



Wow. How disappointing. Hope she can get a digital record of it.


Lani

Christopher Jahn

Re: Godfrey.org census help needed

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 16 apr 2005 02:40:21

L Covey <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
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Christopher Jahn wrote:

L Covey <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
news:B%z6e.560123$w62.238226 @bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:


anna wrote:

The National Archives (NARA) have all the Federal Census on
microfilm for free. Libraries can "borrow" them for interlibrary
loan (for a small fee). You can order them from any Family History
Center (for a small fee). These are inexpensive ways to get the same
information you get from ancestry.com.

It's surprising what you can get from interlibrary loan and from the
Family History Center that you can't get from ancestry.com. You
might like to try out these two alternatives to internet searches
just to

see

how satisfying it can be.

Anna


Good to know, but when a person does go to their library to view the
microfilm, one has to hope they have a decent printer to print what
is wanted.



My mother was down last weekend with a map image she printed off of
microfilm showing my ancestors' farm.

The image wasn't "set", so all the ink wiped off when she pointed out
the family name.


Not trying to be negative, but that is my take on this.


It's a very valid point. Mom's heading back to Cecilton with a
digital camera this time.



Wow. How disappointing. Hope she can get a digital record of it.


She will. Even smudged, once we learned not to touch it, the map is
still useful. And now that she knows about the reliability (or lack
thereof) of the equipment, she'll always bring the digital camera.

And even if THAT fails, she is narrowing down the stops I need to make
with my laptop and scanner.


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