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Althiom

Suggestions, PLEASE

Legg inn av Althiom » 09 apr 2005 03:01:26

I am having an extremely difficult time tracing down information about
my grandfather. Here are the few facts/myths that have been relay
down thru the generations to me.
fact 1> My grandfather was not an only child.
Fact/myth 2> My grandfather's father/grandfather was kicked out of
europe, supposedly for stealing a horse.
Fact/myth3> The courthouse where he (the one who was kicked out of
europe) entered the U.S. was destroyed by fire.
Fact/myth 4> My grandfather was born in Michigan
Fact/Myth 5 > my grandfather was born 1896.
Fact 6> My grandfather was very closed mouth about his family.
Fact 7 > My grandmother was born in Minnisota.
Fact/Myth/Observation 8> Most of the my Bell Family started in
Northern Wisconsin/Michigan/Minnisota and eventually moved to
Milwaukee, WI

I have talk to an aunt and she said basically that her father didn't
talk about his family (but am waiting further developments along this
front)

Any Ideas where I can start my research????

Althiom

googled

Re: Suggestions, PLEASE

Legg inn av googled » 09 apr 2005 06:36:07

"Althiom" <gbell3@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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I am having an extremely difficult time tracing down information about
my grandfather. Here are the few facts/myths that have been relay
down thru the generations to me.
fact 1> My grandfather was not an only child.
Fact/myth 2> My grandfather's father/grandfather was kicked out of
europe, supposedly for stealing a horse.
Fact/myth3> The courthouse where he (the one who was kicked out of
europe) entered the U.S. was destroyed by fire.
Fact/myth 4> My grandfather was born in Michigan
Fact/Myth 5 > my grandfather was born 1896.
Fact 6> My grandfather was very closed mouth about his family.
Fact 7 > My grandmother was born in Minnisota.
Fact/Myth/Observation 8> Most of the my Bell Family started in
Northern Wisconsin/Michigan/Minnisota and eventually moved to
Milwaukee, WI

I have talk to an aunt and she said basically that her father didn't
talk about his family (but am waiting further developments along this
front)

Any Ideas where I can start my research????

Althiom


First, get as much real information as possible from all family members.
Assuming you have at least names, years of birth and locations do the census
backwards 1930, 1920, etc to construct a basic family tree and gather
additional information. For deaths after 1960 try the Social Security Death
Index. Bell is a common family name, so be as certain as possible the Bells
you find are your family. Is your Bell family name shortened from a longer
name ? You need the family name at time of immigration to search Ellis
Island or Castle Garden records. Good luck.

Charani

Re: Suggestions, PLEASE

Legg inn av Charani » 09 apr 2005 13:09:13

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:01:26 GMT, Althiom wrote:

Fact/myth 2> My grandfather's father/grandfather was kicked out of
europe, supposedly for stealing a horse.

Horse stealing could well have resulted in the offender being
transported from England or Wales. I don't know how other European
countries dealt with the offence.

*If* your great grandfather or great great grandfather did steal a
horse then may have fled before he was brought to trial, or he could
have been tried, found guilty and transported.

Alternatively, the reason for him being in the USA could have nothing
whatsoever to do with that.

Fact/myth3> The courthouse where he (the one who was kicked out of
europe) entered the U.S. was destroyed by fire.

Are you suggesting that your great grandfather or great great
grandfather deliberately set fire to the courthouse?? If so, why
would he do that??

I don't think it has any significance or relevance without proof of
his involvement. It could easily have been someone else who was
responsible, or just one of those things.

Names, dates, places would be useful so that people can point you in
the right direction and maybe find some information that will be able
to kickstart your research.

Ron Martell

Re: Suggestions, PLEASE

Legg inn av Ron Martell » 09 apr 2005 22:48:25

Charani <me@privacy.net> wrote:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:01:26 GMT, Althiom wrote:

Fact/myth 2> My grandfather's father/grandfather was kicked out of
europe, supposedly for stealing a horse.

Horse stealing could well have resulted in the offender being
transported from England or Wales. I don't know how other European
countries dealt with the offence.

*If* your great grandfather or great great grandfather did steal a
horse then may have fled before he was brought to trial, or he could
have been tried, found guilty and transported.


Transportation of convicts from Great Britain to North America was
stopped in 1789, although that was just because the destination was
changed to Australia.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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Microsoft MVP
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http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm

Huntersglenn

Re: Suggestions, PLEASE

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 10 apr 2005 00:21:02

Charani wrote:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:01:26 GMT, Althiom wrote:



Fact/myth3> The courthouse where he (the one who was kicked out of
europe) entered the U.S. was destroyed by fire.


Are you suggesting that your great grandfather or great great
grandfather deliberately set fire to the courthouse?? If so, why
would he do that??

I don't think it has any significance or relevance without proof of
his involvement. It could easily have been someone else who was
responsible, or just one of those things.

Names, dates, places would be useful so that people can point you in
the right direction and maybe find some information that will be able
to kickstart your research.

I think that the reference meant that there are no records available to
show when/where the man entered the US, and that the poster wasn't
trying to claim that his great-grandfather burned the courthouse to the
ground.

Cathy

Althiom

Re: Suggestions, PLEASE

Legg inn av Althiom » 10 apr 2005 01:31:57

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:21:02 -0400, Huntersglenn
<huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote:

Charani wrote:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:01:26 GMT, Althiom wrote:



Fact/myth3> The courthouse where he (the one who was kicked out of
europe) entered the U.S. was destroyed by fire.

<S N I P>
I think that the reference meant that there are no records available to
show when/where the man entered the US, and that the poster wasn't
trying to claim that his great-grandfather burned the courthouse to the
ground.

Cathy
That is correct as far as I know.

The reason that I didn't supply names/dates/etc is that I wanted to
make a go of it on my own, but alas and alak failure so here is what
is known of my grandfater.

NAME: Clyde Frederick Bell
DOB: (?) 14 Sept 1896 per Social Security Death Index
POB: Michigan
SIBLLINGS: Possibly a brother named Henry
CHILDREN: Bonnie Joyce, Beatrice Julia, Clyde Frederick, JR, Barbara
Mae, Susan Ruth, Carvil Edwin, Lynn Curtis, John Henry, Linda Lou, and
Jan Estes

There is more like date & palce of death which doesn't apply to
finding his father/mother.

I have tore up Genealogy.com looking for clues but with so little to
go on (alright and my lack of experience) it is still a stone wall.

Althiom

Charani

Re: Suggestions, PLEASE

Legg inn av Charani » 10 apr 2005 11:02:17

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:48:25 GMT, Ron Martell wrote:

Transportation of convicts from Great Britain to North America was
stopped in 1789, although that was just because the destination was
changed to Australia.

In which case I can't see how the person concerned could have been
"kicked out of Europe".

Charani

Re: Suggestions, PLEASE

Legg inn av Charani » 10 apr 2005 11:03:17

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:21:02 -0400, Huntersglenn wrote:

I think that the reference meant that there are no records available to
show when/where the man entered the US, and that the poster wasn't
trying to claim that his great-grandfather burned the courthouse to the
ground.

Two ways of reading the same thing then :))

James A. Doemer

Re: Suggestions, PLEASE

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 10 apr 2005 14:06:15

Charani <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:48:25 GMT, Ron Martell wrote:

Transportation of convicts from Great Britain to North America was
stopped in 1789, although that was just because the destination was
changed to Australia.

In which case I can't see how the person concerned could have been
"kicked out of Europe".

The term "Convict" in relation to many of the people the British was sending
to North America is pretty loose too. Sure, it included rapists,
murderers, etc... But it also included many who were just trying to
protect their homeland. Many of those that survived the Battle of
Culloden, for example, were shipped here as convicts and indebtured
servants.

anna

Re: Suggestions, PLEASE

Legg inn av anna » 11 apr 2005 16:43:44

First look in the 1900, 1920 census files in MI and if not there try
WI. That should give you his mother and father. Then start looking in
the 1880 censuses in MI for the father and mother's names. Work
backward using your father and mother's names (1870, 1860, 1850). It
should lead you to your grandfather's and grandmother's names with any
luck. Sometimes you even find their parents living with them along the
way. Look for neighbors of the same name--families often stayed close
by. (One of the censuses--I don't remember right off the top of my
head) even has a listing for where the person's parents were from. If
you find this, then you will know what country your great-grandfather
came from and then you can start looking for ships from that country.
(My two sets of ancestors from Germany neither one came through Ellis
Island, but there are ways of finding them too.)

After you've done all that, come back to the list and let us know what
you have found and maybe we can point you to another source. Good luck.
Anna

Althiom

Re: Suggestions, PLEASE

Legg inn av Althiom » 11 apr 2005 17:36:10

On 11 Apr 2005 08:43:44 -0700, "anna" <annasplace@aol.com> wrote:

First look in the 1900, 1920 census files in MI and if not there try
WI. That should give you his mother and father. Then start looking in
the 1880 censuses in MI for the father and mother's names. Work
backward using your father and mother's names (1870, 1860, 1850). It
should lead you to your grandfather's and grandmother's names with any
luck. Sometimes you even find their parents living with them along the
way. Look for neighbors of the same name--families often stayed close
by. (One of the censuses--I don't remember right off the top of my
head) even has a listing for where the person's parents were from. If
you find this, then you will know what country your great-grandfather
came from and then you can start looking for ships from that country.
(My two sets of ancestors from Germany neither one came through Ellis
Island, but there are ways of finding them too.)

After you've done all that, come back to the list and let us know what
you have found and maybe we can point you to another source. Good luck.
Anna

Thanks for the suggestion, but I have done all that and no luck. I
have been able to get a social security number (which I will have to
ask/pay for a copy in hopes that it will have his parents names on it)
but other than that nothing. In fact, from the records that I can
find, it seems that my ggfather just appeared one day during the
1930's with a family already in place. (SciFI riff plays in the
background).

I will keep hunting

Althiom

Rick Merrill

Re: Suggestions, PLEASE

Legg inn av Rick Merrill » 11 apr 2005 18:10:22

Althiom wrote:

.. have done all that and no luck. I
have been able to get a social security number (which I will have to
ask/pay for a copy in hopes that it will have his parents names on it)
but other than that nothing. In fact, from the records that I can
find, it seems that my ggfather just appeared one day during the
1930's with a family already in place. (SciFI riff plays in the
background).

Have you checked for alternatives and mispellings of the name(s)?

Doug Corbin

Re: Suggestions, PLEASE

Legg inn av Doug Corbin » 11 apr 2005 20:14:17

I'm sending you a 1900 census image that I believe is your Clyde living with
his parents in Milwaukee.

Doug

"Althiom" <gbell3@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:21:02 -0400, Huntersglenn
huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote:


Charani wrote:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:01:26 GMT, Althiom wrote:



Fact/myth3> The courthouse where he (the one who was kicked out of
europe) entered the U.S. was destroyed by fire.

S N I P
I think that the reference meant that there are no records available to
show when/where the man entered the US, and that the poster wasn't
trying to claim that his great-grandfather burned the courthouse to the
ground.

Cathy
That is correct as far as I know.
The reason that I didn't supply names/dates/etc is that I wanted to
make a go of it on my own, but alas and alak failure so here is what
is known of my grandfater.

NAME: Clyde Frederick Bell
DOB: (?) 14 Sept 1896 per Social Security Death Index
POB: Michigan
SIBLLINGS: Possibly a brother named Henry
CHILDREN: Bonnie Joyce, Beatrice Julia, Clyde Frederick, JR, Barbara
Mae, Susan Ruth, Carvil Edwin, Lynn Curtis, John Henry, Linda Lou, and
Jan Estes

There is more like date & palce of death which doesn't apply to
finding his father/mother.

I have tore up Genealogy.com looking for clues but with so little to
go on (alright and my lack of experience) it is still a stone wall.

Althiom

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