The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

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Derek Nichols

The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Derek Nichols » 08 apr 2005 03:27:30

For Immediate Release

National Co-ordinator of The USGenWeb Project, posts Organizations

passwords to web.

Shari Handley, the National Coordinator of The USGenWeb Project

posted passwords to the organizations mailing lists to one of her

County Websites. Derek Nichols, a concerned member of the

organization attempted to have the situation addressed without

success, at the organization level. His concerns were not that

somebody could have gotten access, but that someone in leadership was

setting a bad example. He was quoted as saying "members of an

organization look up to what their elected leaders do and the examples

they set. There is no doubt that the posting of passwords to a website,

even if it is an unlinked page is not a safe practice. Attempts to get

the issue addressed even through mediation, were continually hampered with

the concept that I had no right to be concerned as it did not directly

affect me, and that although the NC may have posted the passwords, it was

others that found them and leaked them."

Mr. Nichols went on to say "There were three things that I wanted

addressed and fixed, but was told at all levels that I had no right

to anything. All three would have helped the organization, and shown

leadership on the part of the National Coordinator. 1. a policy that

stresses security. 2. an apology to the membership, and 3. the removal of

the MYOB page."

The passwords have since been removed, and currently in place of the

passwords is a dog sticking its tongue out, with the heading MYOB,

commonly interpreted to "Mind Your Own Business". Derek went on to say

"this is not the actions of a leader that respects the members under them

who are concerned for the Project's safety. That page is highly insulting,

not only to those like me, who are concerned for the organization, but any

of our visitors who happen to stumble across a page that says MYOB. How

does this attract visitors who want to stay at a genealogical website".

This site can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsomers/start.htm.

Derek Nichols finished up by saying "What a nice legacy to leave for our

visitors".

-30-

The USGenWeb Project is an "Unincorporated Non-Profit Association."

<www.usgenweb.net>. Derek Nichols is a member of the organization

and can be reached at breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

Robert Melson

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 08 apr 2005 06:24:22

[Posted and mailed]

In article <m_l5e.11682$Ln.516102@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
"Derek Nichols" <breeze@nbnet.nb.ca> writes:
For Immediate Release

National Co-ordinator of The USGenWeb Project, posts Organizations

passwords to web.

Shari Handley, the National Coordinator of The USGenWeb Project

posted passwords to the organizations mailing lists to one of her

County Websites. Derek Nichols, a concerned member of the

organization attempted to have the situation addressed without

success, at the organization level. His concerns were not that

somebody could have gotten access, but that someone in leadership was

setting a bad example. He was quoted as saying "members of an

organization look up to what their elected leaders do and the examples

they set. There is no doubt that the posting of passwords to a website,

even if it is an unlinked page is not a safe practice. Attempts to get

the issue addressed even through mediation, were continually hampered with

the concept that I had no right to be concerned as it did not directly

affect me, and that although the NC may have posted the passwords, it was

others that found them and leaked them."

Mr. Nichols went on to say "There were three things that I wanted

addressed and fixed, but was told at all levels that I had no right

to anything. All three would have helped the organization, and shown

leadership on the part of the National Coordinator. 1. a policy that

stresses security. 2. an apology to the membership, and 3. the removal of

the MYOB page."

The passwords have since been removed, and currently in place of the

passwords is a dog sticking its tongue out, with the heading MYOB,

commonly interpreted to "Mind Your Own Business". Derek went on to say

"this is not the actions of a leader that respects the members under them

who are concerned for the Project's safety. That page is highly insulting,

not only to those like me, who are concerned for the organization, but any

of our visitors who happen to stumble across a page that says MYOB. How

does this attract visitors who want to stay at a genealogical website".

This site can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsomers/start.htm.

Derek Nichols finished up by saying "What a nice legacy to leave for our

visitors".

-30-

The USGenWeb Project is an "Unincorporated Non-Profit Association."

http://www.usgenweb.net>. Derek Nichols is a member of the organization

and can be reached at breeze@nbnet.nb.ca


Personally, I'd say you should take your feud elsewhere. While the issue is

of some minimal interest to the ordinary denizen of this and other genealogy
newsgroups, it really doesn't affect us. In saying this, I realize I'm
speaking principally for myself, but public feuds really have no place here.

Bob Melson

--
Robert G. Melson | Nothing is more terrible than
Rio Grande MicroSolutions | ignorance in action.
El Paso, Texas | Goethe
melsonr(at)earthlink(dot)net

Huntersglenn

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 08 apr 2005 21:04:16

Since I know of NO GenWeb site that requires passwords, I fail to see
how this is relevant to the people who are using the sites.

Cathy

Derek Nichols wrote:
For Immediate Release

National Co-ordinator of The USGenWeb Project, posts Organizations

passwords to web.

Shari Handley, the National Coordinator of The USGenWeb Project

posted passwords to the organizations mailing lists to one of her

County Websites. Derek Nichols, a concerned member of the

organization attempted to have the situation addressed without

success, at the organization level. His concerns were not that

somebody could have gotten access, but that someone in leadership was

setting a bad example. He was quoted as saying "members of an

organization look up to what their elected leaders do and the examples

they set. There is no doubt that the posting of passwords to a website,

even if it is an unlinked page is not a safe practice. Attempts to get

the issue addressed even through mediation, were continually hampered with

the concept that I had no right to be concerned as it did not directly

affect me, and that although the NC may have posted the passwords, it was

others that found them and leaked them."

Mr. Nichols went on to say "There were three things that I wanted

addressed and fixed, but was told at all levels that I had no right

to anything. All three would have helped the organization, and shown

leadership on the part of the National Coordinator. 1. a policy that

stresses security. 2. an apology to the membership, and 3. the removal of

the MYOB page."

The passwords have since been removed, and currently in place of the

passwords is a dog sticking its tongue out, with the heading MYOB,

commonly interpreted to "Mind Your Own Business". Derek went on to say

"this is not the actions of a leader that respects the members under them

who are concerned for the Project's safety. That page is highly insulting,

not only to those like me, who are concerned for the organization, but any

of our visitors who happen to stumble across a page that says MYOB. How

does this attract visitors who want to stay at a genealogical website".

This site can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsomers/start.htm.

Derek Nichols finished up by saying "What a nice legacy to leave for our

visitors".

-30-

The USGenWeb Project is an "Unincorporated Non-Profit Association."

http://www.usgenweb.net>. Derek Nichols is a member of the organization

and can be reached at breeze@nbnet.nb.ca


Derek Nichols

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Derek Nichols » 09 apr 2005 01:26:06

The lesson learned about not posting passwords, any passwords to the web
makes it relevent to any internet user. The fact that those in a leadership
role would set such a bad example and not make efforts to inform people of
the danger of such, makes it even more relevent.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:irB5e.1707$d43.977@lakeread03...
Since I know of NO GenWeb site that requires passwords, I fail to see
how this is relevant to the people who are using the sites.

Cathy

Derek Nichols wrote:
For Immediate Release

National Co-ordinator of The USGenWeb Project, posts Organizations

passwords to web.

Shari Handley, the National Coordinator of The USGenWeb Project

posted passwords to the organizations mailing lists to one of her

County Websites. Derek Nichols, a concerned member of the

organization attempted to have the situation addressed without

success, at the organization level. His concerns were not that

somebody could have gotten access, but that someone in leadership was

setting a bad example. He was quoted as saying "members of an

organization look up to what their elected leaders do and the examples

they set. There is no doubt that the posting of passwords to a website,

even if it is an unlinked page is not a safe practice. Attempts to get

the issue addressed even through mediation, were continually hampered
with

the concept that I had no right to be concerned as it did not directly

affect me, and that although the NC may have posted the passwords, it
was

others that found them and leaked them."

Mr. Nichols went on to say "There were three things that I wanted

addressed and fixed, but was told at all levels that I had no right

to anything. All three would have helped the organization, and shown

leadership on the part of the National Coordinator. 1. a policy that

stresses security. 2. an apology to the membership, and 3. the removal
of

the MYOB page."

The passwords have since been removed, and currently in place of the

passwords is a dog sticking its tongue out, with the heading MYOB,

commonly interpreted to "Mind Your Own Business". Derek went on to say

"this is not the actions of a leader that respects the members under
them

who are concerned for the Project's safety. That page is highly
insulting,

not only to those like me, who are concerned for the organization, but
any

of our visitors who happen to stumble across a page that says MYOB. How

does this attract visitors who want to stay at a genealogical website".

This site can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsomers/start.htm.

Derek Nichols finished up by saying "What a nice legacy to leave for our

visitors".

-30-

The USGenWeb Project is an "Unincorporated Non-Profit Association."

http://www.usgenweb.net>. Derek Nichols is a member of the organization

and can be reached at breeze@nbnet.nb.ca


Robert Heiling

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 09 apr 2005 01:50:30

Derek Nichols wrote:

The lesson learned about not posting passwords, any passwords to the web
makes it relevent to any internet user. The fact that those in a leadership
role would set such a bad example and not make efforts to inform people of
the danger of such, makes it even more relevent.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

Supposing that I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, I would wish
to view the posting(s) that you object to in order to make my own independent
evaluation of the situation. Assuming you are a competent genealogist, I would
have expected you to provide Source & Repository information that would enable
me to go to that and read it. Perhaps I'm having one of my blind days, but if
there were any pointers in your post to what you object to, I have missed them.
I did see the website which I found very offensive and is the only reason that I
am responding. It leads nowhere else that I could determine and modifying the
URL leads to Ms. Handley's website and I have no time to dig & dig for what you
are talking about.

Bob

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:irB5e.1707$d43.977@lakeread03...
Since I know of NO GenWeb site that requires passwords, I fail to see
how this is relevant to the people who are using the sites.

Cathy

Derek Nichols wrote:
For Immediate Release

National Co-ordinator of The USGenWeb Project, posts Organizations

passwords to web.

Shari Handley, the National Coordinator of The USGenWeb Project

posted passwords to the organizations mailing lists to one of her

County Websites. Derek Nichols, a concerned member of the

organization attempted to have the situation addressed without

success, at the organization level. His concerns were not that

somebody could have gotten access, but that someone in leadership was

setting a bad example. He was quoted as saying "members of an

organization look up to what their elected leaders do and the examples

they set. There is no doubt that the posting of passwords to a website,

even if it is an unlinked page is not a safe practice. Attempts to get

the issue addressed even through mediation, were continually hampered
with

the concept that I had no right to be concerned as it did not directly

affect me, and that although the NC may have posted the passwords, it
was

others that found them and leaked them."

Mr. Nichols went on to say "There were three things that I wanted

addressed and fixed, but was told at all levels that I had no right

to anything. All three would have helped the organization, and shown

leadership on the part of the National Coordinator. 1. a policy that

stresses security. 2. an apology to the membership, and 3. the removal
of

the MYOB page."

The passwords have since been removed, and currently in place of the

passwords is a dog sticking its tongue out, with the heading MYOB,

commonly interpreted to "Mind Your Own Business". Derek went on to say

"this is not the actions of a leader that respects the members under
them

who are concerned for the Project's safety. That page is highly
insulting,

not only to those like me, who are concerned for the organization, but
any

of our visitors who happen to stumble across a page that says MYOB. How

does this attract visitors who want to stay at a genealogical website".

This site can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsomers/start.htm.

Derek Nichols finished up by saying "What a nice legacy to leave for our

visitors".

-30-

The USGenWeb Project is an "Unincorporated Non-Profit Association."

http://www.usgenweb.net>. Derek Nichols is a member of the organization

and can be reached at breeze@nbnet.nb.ca


Derek Nichols

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Derek Nichols » 09 apr 2005 03:14:12

There is no other page at this time. The passwords were removed from the
listed page, and the dog with the sticking tongue out was used in the place
of the passwords.

I cannot provide what is not currently online. If you question my integrity
if the passwords were actually posted or not, you'd need to contact the ISP,
Rootsweb, to verify my information.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:425726D6.2A400CA0@comcast.net...
Derek Nichols wrote:

The lesson learned about not posting passwords, any passwords to the web
makes it relevent to any internet user. The fact that those in a
leadership
role would set such a bad example and not make efforts to inform people
of
the danger of such, makes it even more relevent.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

Supposing that I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, I would
wish
to view the posting(s) that you object to in order to make my own
independent
evaluation of the situation. Assuming you are a competent genealogist, I
would
have expected you to provide Source & Repository information that would
enable
me to go to that and read it. Perhaps I'm having one of my blind days,
but if
there were any pointers in your post to what you object to, I have missed
them.
I did see the website which I found very offensive and is the only reason
that I
am responding. It leads nowhere else that I could determine and modifying
the
URL leads to Ms. Handley's website and I have no time to dig & dig for
what you
are talking about.

Bob

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:irB5e.1707$d43.977@lakeread03...
Since I know of NO GenWeb site that requires passwords, I fail to see
how this is relevant to the people who are using the sites.

Cathy

Derek Nichols wrote:
For Immediate Release

National Co-ordinator of The USGenWeb Project, posts Organizations

passwords to web.

Shari Handley, the National Coordinator of The USGenWeb Project

posted passwords to the organizations mailing lists to one of her

County Websites. Derek Nichols, a concerned member of the

organization attempted to have the situation addressed without

success, at the organization level. His concerns were not that

somebody could have gotten access, but that someone in leadership
was

setting a bad example. He was quoted as saying "members of an

organization look up to what their elected leaders do and the
examples

they set. There is no doubt that the posting of passwords to a
website,

even if it is an unlinked page is not a safe practice. Attempts to
get

the issue addressed even through mediation, were continually
hampered
with

the concept that I had no right to be concerned as it did not
directly

affect me, and that although the NC may have posted the passwords,
it
was

others that found them and leaked them."

Mr. Nichols went on to say "There were three things that I wanted

addressed and fixed, but was told at all levels that I had no right

to anything. All three would have helped the organization, and shown

leadership on the part of the National Coordinator. 1. a policy that

stresses security. 2. an apology to the membership, and 3. the
removal
of

the MYOB page."

The passwords have since been removed, and currently in place of the

passwords is a dog sticking its tongue out, with the heading MYOB,

commonly interpreted to "Mind Your Own Business". Derek went on to
say

"this is not the actions of a leader that respects the members under
them

who are concerned for the Project's safety. That page is highly
insulting,

not only to those like me, who are concerned for the organization,
but
any

of our visitors who happen to stumble across a page that says MYOB.
How

does this attract visitors who want to stay at a genealogical
website".

This site can be found at
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsomers/start.htm.

Derek Nichols finished up by saying "What a nice legacy to leave for
our

visitors".

-30-

The USGenWeb Project is an "Unincorporated Non-Profit Association."

http://www.usgenweb.net>. Derek Nichols is a member of the organization

and can be reached at breeze@nbnet.nb.ca



Robert Heiling

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 09 apr 2005 03:24:08

Derek Nichols wrote:

There is no other page at this time. The passwords were removed from the
listed page, and the dog with the sticking tongue out was used in the place
of the passwords.

and you didn't have enough presence of mind to save a copy at the time? in view
of such strong objections? my my!

I cannot provide what is not currently online.

So we are to take the word of a total stranger?

If you question my integrity
if the passwords were actually posted or not, you'd need to contact the ISP,
Rootsweb, to verify my information.

I have neither time nor interest whatsoever in doing that. The responsibility of
backing up your accusations lies solely in your hands. I am drawn to only one
conclusion and I might add that you need to be more careful as you could be
subject to lawsuit for making unfounded & irresponsible accusations so
publically. I hope for your sake that the lady does not decide to sue you.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

Bob

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:425726D6.2A400CA0@comcast.net...
Derek Nichols wrote:

The lesson learned about not posting passwords, any passwords to the web
makes it relevent to any internet user. The fact that those in a
leadership
role would set such a bad example and not make efforts to inform people
of
the danger of such, makes it even more relevent.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

Supposing that I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, I would
wish
to view the posting(s) that you object to in order to make my own
independent
evaluation of the situation. Assuming you are a competent genealogist, I
would
have expected you to provide Source & Repository information that would
enable
me to go to that and read it. Perhaps I'm having one of my blind days,
but if
there were any pointers in your post to what you object to, I have missed
them.
I did see the website which I found very offensive and is the only reason
that I
am responding. It leads nowhere else that I could determine and modifying
the
URL leads to Ms. Handley's website and I have no time to dig & dig for
what you
are talking about.

Bob

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:irB5e.1707$d43.977@lakeread03...
Since I know of NO GenWeb site that requires passwords, I fail to see
how this is relevant to the people who are using the sites.

Cathy

Derek Nichols wrote:
For Immediate Release

National Co-ordinator of The USGenWeb Project, posts Organizations

passwords to web.

Shari Handley, the National Coordinator of The USGenWeb Project

posted passwords to the organizations mailing lists to one of her

County Websites. Derek Nichols, a concerned member of the

organization attempted to have the situation addressed without

success, at the organization level. His concerns were not that

somebody could have gotten access, but that someone in leadership
was

setting a bad example. He was quoted as saying "members of an

organization look up to what their elected leaders do and the
examples

they set. There is no doubt that the posting of passwords to a
website,

even if it is an unlinked page is not a safe practice. Attempts to
get

the issue addressed even through mediation, were continually
hampered
with

the concept that I had no right to be concerned as it did not
directly

affect me, and that although the NC may have posted the passwords,
it
was

others that found them and leaked them."

Mr. Nichols went on to say "There were three things that I wanted

addressed and fixed, but was told at all levels that I had no right

to anything. All three would have helped the organization, and shown

leadership on the part of the National Coordinator. 1. a policy that

stresses security. 2. an apology to the membership, and 3. the
removal
of

the MYOB page."

The passwords have since been removed, and currently in place of the

passwords is a dog sticking its tongue out, with the heading MYOB,

commonly interpreted to "Mind Your Own Business". Derek went on to
say

"this is not the actions of a leader that respects the members under
them

who are concerned for the Project's safety. That page is highly
insulting,

not only to those like me, who are concerned for the organization,
but
any

of our visitors who happen to stumble across a page that says MYOB.
How

does this attract visitors who want to stay at a genealogical
website".

This site can be found at
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsomers/start.htm.

Derek Nichols finished up by saying "What a nice legacy to leave for
our

visitors".

-30-

The USGenWeb Project is an "Unincorporated Non-Profit Association."

http://www.usgenweb.net>. Derek Nichols is a member of the organization

and can be reached at breeze@nbnet.nb.ca



Derek Nichols

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Derek Nichols » 09 apr 2005 03:38:15

Who says I don't have a copy?

Look, you don't like what I post, that is fine. I have made my statement,
backed up my integrity by going public with a press release, which no fool
would do without proof.

I am however, not about to further breach security and pass around
passwords, that is irresponsible to know end.

Sure they may have been changed, but again, I cannot complain about someone
posting an organizations passwords, and then go and spread them around
myself.

You wish to attack me, instead the message of it is not wise to post
passwords to the web, so be it, have at it. But that is really quite petty.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca


"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:42573CC8.3A1ECEED@comcast.net...
Derek Nichols wrote:

There is no other page at this time. The passwords were removed from
the
listed page, and the dog with the sticking tongue out was used in the
place
of the passwords.

and you didn't have enough presence of mind to save a copy at the time? in
view
of such strong objections? my my!

I cannot provide what is not currently online.

So we are to take the word of a total stranger?

If you question my integrity
if the passwords were actually posted or not, you'd need to contact the
ISP,
Rootsweb, to verify my information.

I have neither time nor interest whatsoever in doing that. The
responsibility of
backing up your accusations lies solely in your hands. I am drawn to only
one
conclusion and I might add that you need to be more careful as you could
be
subject to lawsuit for making unfounded & irresponsible accusations so
publically. I hope for your sake that the lady does not decide to sue you.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

Bob

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:425726D6.2A400CA0@comcast.net...
Derek Nichols wrote:

The lesson learned about not posting passwords, any passwords to the
web
makes it relevent to any internet user. The fact that those in a
leadership
role would set such a bad example and not make efforts to inform
people
of
the danger of such, makes it even more relevent.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

Supposing that I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, I
would
wish
to view the posting(s) that you object to in order to make my own
independent
evaluation of the situation. Assuming you are a competent genealogist,
I
would
have expected you to provide Source & Repository information that
would
enable
me to go to that and read it. Perhaps I'm having one of my blind
days,
but if
there were any pointers in your post to what you object to, I have
missed
them.
I did see the website which I found very offensive and is the only
reason
that I
am responding. It leads nowhere else that I could determine and
modifying
the
URL leads to Ms. Handley's website and I have no time to dig & dig for
what you
are talking about.

Bob

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:irB5e.1707$d43.977@lakeread03...
Since I know of NO GenWeb site that requires passwords, I fail to
see
how this is relevant to the people who are using the sites.

Cathy

Derek Nichols wrote:
For Immediate Release

National Co-ordinator of The USGenWeb Project, posts
Organizations

passwords to web.

Shari Handley, the National Coordinator of The USGenWeb Project

posted passwords to the organizations mailing lists to one of
her

County Websites. Derek Nichols, a concerned member of the

organization attempted to have the situation addressed without

success, at the organization level. His concerns were not that

somebody could have gotten access, but that someone in
leadership
was

setting a bad example. He was quoted as saying "members of an

organization look up to what their elected leaders do and the
examples

they set. There is no doubt that the posting of passwords to a
website,

even if it is an unlinked page is not a safe practice. Attempts
to
get

the issue addressed even through mediation, were continually
hampered
with

the concept that I had no right to be concerned as it did not
directly

affect me, and that although the NC may have posted the
passwords,
it
was

others that found them and leaked them."

Mr. Nichols went on to say "There were three things that I
wanted

addressed and fixed, but was told at all levels that I had no
right

to anything. All three would have helped the organization, and
shown

leadership on the part of the National Coordinator. 1. a policy
that

stresses security. 2. an apology to the membership, and 3. the
removal
of

the MYOB page."

The passwords have since been removed, and currently in place of
the

passwords is a dog sticking its tongue out, with the heading
MYOB,

commonly interpreted to "Mind Your Own Business". Derek went on
to
say

"this is not the actions of a leader that respects the members
under
them

who are concerned for the Project's safety. That page is highly
insulting,

not only to those like me, who are concerned for the
organization,
but
any

of our visitors who happen to stumble across a page that says
MYOB.
How

does this attract visitors who want to stay at a genealogical
website".

This site can be found at
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsomers/start.htm.

Derek Nichols finished up by saying "What a nice legacy to leave
for
our

visitors".

-30-

The USGenWeb Project is an "Unincorporated Non-Profit
Association."

http://www.usgenweb.net>. Derek Nichols is a member of the
organization

and can be reached at breeze@nbnet.nb.ca




Derek Nichols

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Derek Nichols » 09 apr 2005 03:46:12

I hope this is sufficient proof to regain my integrity in your eyes Sir.

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BO ... 1105761050

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:42573CC8.3A1ECEED@comcast.net...
Derek Nichols wrote:

There is no other page at this time. The passwords were removed from
the
listed page, and the dog with the sticking tongue out was used in the
place
of the passwords.

and you didn't have enough presence of mind to save a copy at the time? in
view
of such strong objections? my my!

I cannot provide what is not currently online.

So we are to take the word of a total stranger?

If you question my integrity
if the passwords were actually posted or not, you'd need to contact the
ISP,
Rootsweb, to verify my information.

I have neither time nor interest whatsoever in doing that. The
responsibility of
backing up your accusations lies solely in your hands. I am drawn to only
one
conclusion and I might add that you need to be more careful as you could
be
subject to lawsuit for making unfounded & irresponsible accusations so
publically. I hope for your sake that the lady does not decide to sue you.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

Bob

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:425726D6.2A400CA0@comcast.net...
Derek Nichols wrote:

The lesson learned about not posting passwords, any passwords to the
web
makes it relevent to any internet user. The fact that those in a
leadership
role would set such a bad example and not make efforts to inform
people
of
the danger of such, makes it even more relevent.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

Supposing that I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, I
would
wish
to view the posting(s) that you object to in order to make my own
independent
evaluation of the situation. Assuming you are a competent genealogist,
I
would
have expected you to provide Source & Repository information that
would
enable
me to go to that and read it. Perhaps I'm having one of my blind
days,
but if
there were any pointers in your post to what you object to, I have
missed
them.
I did see the website which I found very offensive and is the only
reason
that I
am responding. It leads nowhere else that I could determine and
modifying
the
URL leads to Ms. Handley's website and I have no time to dig & dig for
what you
are talking about.

Bob

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:irB5e.1707$d43.977@lakeread03...
Since I know of NO GenWeb site that requires passwords, I fail to
see
how this is relevant to the people who are using the sites.

Cathy

Derek Nichols wrote:
For Immediate Release

National Co-ordinator of The USGenWeb Project, posts
Organizations

passwords to web.

Shari Handley, the National Coordinator of The USGenWeb Project

posted passwords to the organizations mailing lists to one of
her

County Websites. Derek Nichols, a concerned member of the

organization attempted to have the situation addressed without

success, at the organization level. His concerns were not that

somebody could have gotten access, but that someone in
leadership
was

setting a bad example. He was quoted as saying "members of an

organization look up to what their elected leaders do and the
examples

they set. There is no doubt that the posting of passwords to a
website,

even if it is an unlinked page is not a safe practice. Attempts
to
get

the issue addressed even through mediation, were continually
hampered
with

the concept that I had no right to be concerned as it did not
directly

affect me, and that although the NC may have posted the
passwords,
it
was

others that found them and leaked them."

Mr. Nichols went on to say "There were three things that I
wanted

addressed and fixed, but was told at all levels that I had no
right

to anything. All three would have helped the organization, and
shown

leadership on the part of the National Coordinator. 1. a policy
that

stresses security. 2. an apology to the membership, and 3. the
removal
of

the MYOB page."

The passwords have since been removed, and currently in place of
the

passwords is a dog sticking its tongue out, with the heading
MYOB,

commonly interpreted to "Mind Your Own Business". Derek went on
to
say

"this is not the actions of a leader that respects the members
under
them

who are concerned for the Project's safety. That page is highly
insulting,

not only to those like me, who are concerned for the
organization,
but
any

of our visitors who happen to stumble across a page that says
MYOB.
How

does this attract visitors who want to stay at a genealogical
website".

This site can be found at
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsomers/start.htm.

Derek Nichols finished up by saying "What a nice legacy to leave
for
our

visitors".

-30-

The USGenWeb Project is an "Unincorporated Non-Profit
Association."

http://www.usgenweb.net>. Derek Nichols is a member of the
organization

and can be reached at breeze@nbnet.nb.ca




Robert Melson

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 09 apr 2005 03:50:59

In article <reH5e.12179$Ln.531792@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
"Derek Nichols" <breeze@nbnet.nb.ca> writes:
Who says I don't have a copy?

Look, you don't like what I post, that is fine. I have made my statement,
backed up my integrity by going public with a press release, which no fool
would do without proof.

snip


I say again what I said in response to your original posting: take your
feud elsewhere, it's inappropriate to this or any other genealogy newsgroup.
Yeah, yeah, I know, GenWeb is a genealogical group, so's RootsWeb and all the
rest of the blather. The point is, your disagreement is with the GenWeb
hierarchy and should be continued in-house and not in public.

Bob Melson

--
Robert G. Melson | Nothing is more terrible than
Rio Grande MicroSolutions | ignorance in action.
El Paso, Texas | Goethe
melsonr(at)earthlink(dot)net

Derek Nichols

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Derek Nichols » 09 apr 2005 03:53:52

I respectfully disagree. Call it a crusade, but I believe in people
practicing safe computing. People need to know not to post their personal
information to the web because it can and will be found. If a leader will
do it, then others will as well.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

"Robert Melson" <melsonr@aragorn.rgmhome.net> wrote in message
news:nqH5e.2961$An2.1014@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
In article <reH5e.12179$Ln.531792@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
"Derek Nichols" <breeze@nbnet.nb.ca> writes:
Who says I don't have a copy?

Look, you don't like what I post, that is fine. I have made my
statement,
backed up my integrity by going public with a press release, which no
fool
would do without proof.

snip

I say again what I said in response to your original posting: take your
feud elsewhere, it's inappropriate to this or any other genealogy
newsgroup.
Yeah, yeah, I know, GenWeb is a genealogical group, so's RootsWeb and all
the
rest of the blather. The point is, your disagreement is with the GenWeb
hierarchy and should be continued in-house and not in public.

Bob Melson

--
Robert G. Melson | Nothing is more terrible than
Rio Grande MicroSolutions | ignorance in action.
El Paso, Texas | Goethe
melsonr(at)earthlink(dot)net

Robert Melson

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 09 apr 2005 04:03:42

In article <4tH5e.12183$Ln.532096@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
"Derek Nichols" <breeze@nbnet.nb.ca> writes:
I respectfully disagree. Call it a crusade, but I believe in people
practicing safe computing. People need to know not to post their personal
information to the web because it can and will be found. If a leader will
do it, then others will as well.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

Ah, the lonely life of the crusader for all that's right and decent in the
world!

The place to air your grievances with the GenWeb hierarchy is in-house, not
here or on any of the genealogical newsgroups. You accomplish nothing by
airing your/their dirty linen in public beyond making yourself look
increasingly foolish and spiteful. I'm afraid you'll receive scant sympathy
from the folks hereabouts.

Bob Melson




--
Robert G. Melson | Nothing is more terrible than
Rio Grande MicroSolutions | ignorance in action.
El Paso, Texas | Goethe
melsonr(at)earthlink(dot)net

Robert Melson

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 09 apr 2005 04:04:11

Oh, yeah, <PLONK!>

In article <4tH5e.12183$Ln.532096@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
"Derek Nichols" <breeze@nbnet.nb.ca> writes:
I respectfully disagree. Call it a crusade, but I believe in people
practicing safe computing. People need to know not to post their personal
information to the web because it can and will be found. If a leader will
do it, then others will as well.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

"Robert Melson" <melsonr@aragorn.rgmhome.net> wrote in message
news:nqH5e.2961$An2.1014@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
In article <reH5e.12179$Ln.531792@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
"Derek Nichols" <breeze@nbnet.nb.ca> writes:
Who says I don't have a copy?

Look, you don't like what I post, that is fine. I have made my
statement,
backed up my integrity by going public with a press release, which no
fool
would do without proof.

snip

I say again what I said in response to your original posting: take your
feud elsewhere, it's inappropriate to this or any other genealogy
newsgroup.
Yeah, yeah, I know, GenWeb is a genealogical group, so's RootsWeb and all
the
rest of the blather. The point is, your disagreement is with the GenWeb
hierarchy and should be continued in-house and not in public.

Bob Melson

--
Robert G. Melson | Nothing is more terrible than
Rio Grande MicroSolutions | ignorance in action.
El Paso, Texas | Goethe
melsonr(at)earthlink(dot)net



--
Robert G. Melson | Nothing is more terrible than
Rio Grande MicroSolutions | ignorance in action.
El Paso, Texas | Goethe
melsonr(at)earthlink(dot)net

Robert Heiling

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 09 apr 2005 04:11:04

Derek Nichols wrote:

I hope this is sufficient proof to regain my integrity in your eyes Sir.

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BO ... 1105761050

Not at all and you keep digging a bigger hole for yourself. It only serves as
evidence that your claim is baseless. The lady was the victim of a hack, albeit
an easy one, and did not "post" passwords as you allege. She has also taken
appropriate corrective measures as evidence by the dog with tongue. You
apparently have some other axe to grind against her and I hope that it wasn't
you who violated her personal files.

Bob

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:42573CC8.3A1ECEED@comcast.net...
Derek Nichols wrote:

There is no other page at this time. The passwords were removed from
the
listed page, and the dog with the sticking tongue out was used in the
place
of the passwords.

and you didn't have enough presence of mind to save a copy at the time? in
view
of such strong objections? my my!

I cannot provide what is not currently online.

So we are to take the word of a total stranger?

If you question my integrity
if the passwords were actually posted or not, you'd need to contact the
ISP,
Rootsweb, to verify my information.

I have neither time nor interest whatsoever in doing that. The
responsibility of
backing up your accusations lies solely in your hands. I am drawn to only
one
conclusion and I might add that you need to be more careful as you could
be
subject to lawsuit for making unfounded & irresponsible accusations so
publically. I hope for your sake that the lady does not decide to sue you.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

Bob

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:425726D6.2A400CA0@comcast.net...
Derek Nichols wrote:

The lesson learned about not posting passwords, any passwords to the
web
makes it relevent to any internet user. The fact that those in a
leadership
role would set such a bad example and not make efforts to inform
people
of
the danger of such, makes it even more relevent.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

Supposing that I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, I
would
wish
to view the posting(s) that you object to in order to make my own
independent
evaluation of the situation. Assuming you are a competent genealogist,
I
would
have expected you to provide Source & Repository information that
would
enable
me to go to that and read it. Perhaps I'm having one of my blind
days,
but if
there were any pointers in your post to what you object to, I have
missed
them.
I did see the website which I found very offensive and is the only
reason
that I
am responding. It leads nowhere else that I could determine and
modifying
the
URL leads to Ms. Handley's website and I have no time to dig & dig for
what you
are talking about.

Bob

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:irB5e.1707$d43.977@lakeread03...
Since I know of NO GenWeb site that requires passwords, I fail to
see
how this is relevant to the people who are using the sites.

Cathy

Derek Nichols wrote:
For Immediate Release

National Co-ordinator of The USGenWeb Project, posts
Organizations

passwords to web.

Shari Handley, the National Coordinator of The USGenWeb Project

posted passwords to the organizations mailing lists to one of
her

County Websites. Derek Nichols, a concerned member of the

organization attempted to have the situation addressed without

success, at the organization level. His concerns were not that

somebody could have gotten access, but that someone in
leadership
was

setting a bad example. He was quoted as saying "members of an

organization look up to what their elected leaders do and the
examples

they set. There is no doubt that the posting of passwords to a
website,

even if it is an unlinked page is not a safe practice. Attempts
to
get

the issue addressed even through mediation, were continually
hampered
with

the concept that I had no right to be concerned as it did not
directly

affect me, and that although the NC may have posted the
passwords,
it
was

others that found them and leaked them."

Mr. Nichols went on to say "There were three things that I
wanted

addressed and fixed, but was told at all levels that I had no
right

to anything. All three would have helped the organization, and
shown

leadership on the part of the National Coordinator. 1. a policy
that

stresses security. 2. an apology to the membership, and 3. the
removal
of

the MYOB page."

The passwords have since been removed, and currently in place of
the

passwords is a dog sticking its tongue out, with the heading
MYOB,

commonly interpreted to "Mind Your Own Business". Derek went on
to
say

"this is not the actions of a leader that respects the members
under
them

who are concerned for the Project's safety. That page is highly
insulting,

not only to those like me, who are concerned for the
organization,
but
any

of our visitors who happen to stumble across a page that says
MYOB.
How

does this attract visitors who want to stay at a genealogical
website".

This site can be found at
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsomers/start.htm.

Derek Nichols finished up by saying "What a nice legacy to leave
for
our

visitors".

-30-

The USGenWeb Project is an "Unincorporated Non-Profit
Association."

http://www.usgenweb.net>. Derek Nichols is a member of the
organization

and can be reached at breeze@nbnet.nb.ca




Derek Nichols

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Derek Nichols » 09 apr 2005 12:00:24

Wow, some people just can't read. Or perhaps read what they want to. Ms.
Handley clearly stated in the link:

"So the links to all of my listowner utilities pages included the passwords
to save some time when I accessed them,"

....including the passwords...

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:425747C8.521373B7@comcast.net...
Derek Nichols wrote:

I hope this is sufficient proof to regain my integrity in your eyes Sir.

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BO ... 1105761050

Not at all and you keep digging a bigger hole for yourself. It only
serves as
evidence that your claim is baseless. The lady was the victim of a hack,
albeit
an easy one, and did not "post" passwords as you allege. She has also
taken
appropriate corrective measures as evidence by the dog with tongue. You
apparently have some other axe to grind against her and I hope that it
wasn't
you who violated her personal files.

Bob

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:42573CC8.3A1ECEED@comcast.net...
Derek Nichols wrote:

There is no other page at this time. The passwords were removed
from
the
listed page, and the dog with the sticking tongue out was used in
the
place
of the passwords.

and you didn't have enough presence of mind to save a copy at the
time? in
view
of such strong objections? my my!

I cannot provide what is not currently online.

So we are to take the word of a total stranger?

If you question my integrity
if the passwords were actually posted or not, you'd need to contact
the
ISP,
Rootsweb, to verify my information.

I have neither time nor interest whatsoever in doing that. The
responsibility of
backing up your accusations lies solely in your hands. I am drawn to
only
one
conclusion and I might add that you need to be more careful as you
could
be
subject to lawsuit for making unfounded & irresponsible accusations so
publically. I hope for your sake that the lady does not decide to sue
you.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

Bob

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:425726D6.2A400CA0@comcast.net...
Derek Nichols wrote:

The lesson learned about not posting passwords, any passwords to
the
web
makes it relevent to any internet user. The fact that those in
a
leadership
role would set such a bad example and not make efforts to inform
people
of
the danger of such, makes it even more relevent.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca

Supposing that I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt,
I
would
wish
to view the posting(s) that you object to in order to make my own
independent
evaluation of the situation. Assuming you are a competent
genealogist,
I
would
have expected you to provide Source & Repository information that
would
enable
me to go to that and read it. Perhaps I'm having one of my blind
days,
but if
there were any pointers in your post to what you object to, I have
missed
them.
I did see the website which I found very offensive and is the only
reason
that I
am responding. It leads nowhere else that I could determine and
modifying
the
URL leads to Ms. Handley's website and I have no time to dig & dig
for
what you
are talking about.

Bob

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:irB5e.1707$d43.977@lakeread03...
Since I know of NO GenWeb site that requires passwords, I fail
to
see
how this is relevant to the people who are using the sites.

Cathy

Derek Nichols wrote:
For Immediate Release

National Co-ordinator of The USGenWeb Project, posts
Organizations

passwords to web.

Shari Handley, the National Coordinator of The USGenWeb
Project

posted passwords to the organizations mailing lists to one
of
her

County Websites. Derek Nichols, a concerned member of the

organization attempted to have the situation addressed
without

success, at the organization level. His concerns were not
that

somebody could have gotten access, but that someone in
leadership
was

setting a bad example. He was quoted as saying "members of
an

organization look up to what their elected leaders do and
the
examples

they set. There is no doubt that the posting of passwords to
a
website,

even if it is an unlinked page is not a safe practice.
Attempts
to
get

the issue addressed even through mediation, were continually
hampered
with

the concept that I had no right to be concerned as it did
not
directly

affect me, and that although the NC may have posted the
passwords,
it
was

others that found them and leaked them."

Mr. Nichols went on to say "There were three things that I
wanted

addressed and fixed, but was told at all levels that I had
no
right

to anything. All three would have helped the organization,
and
shown

leadership on the part of the National Coordinator. 1. a
policy
that

stresses security. 2. an apology to the membership, and 3.
the
removal
of

the MYOB page."

The passwords have since been removed, and currently in
place of
the

passwords is a dog sticking its tongue out, with the heading
MYOB,

commonly interpreted to "Mind Your Own Business". Derek went
on
to
say

"this is not the actions of a leader that respects the
members
under
them

who are concerned for the Project's safety. That page is
highly
insulting,

not only to those like me, who are concerned for the
organization,
but
any

of our visitors who happen to stumble across a page that
says
MYOB.
How

does this attract visitors who want to stay at a
genealogical
website".

This site can be found at
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsomers/start.htm.

Derek Nichols finished up by saying "What a nice legacy to
leave
for
our

visitors".

-30-

The USGenWeb Project is an "Unincorporated Non-Profit
Association."

http://www.usgenweb.net>. Derek Nichols is a member of the
organization

and can be reached at breeze@nbnet.nb.ca





Huntersglenn

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 10 apr 2005 00:11:26

No, we read THAT. All it means is that the woman made an error in an
effort to save herself some time and work -- there was nothing
underhanded in what she did. However, the fact that someone else hacked
into her website and stole the passwords and then posted them IS
underhanded, and that person is the one you should be taking to account.

It definitely seems as if you have a personal vendetta against the woman
and you need to take it elsewhere and not play it out here. If she had
your password(s), then you need to take it up with the rest of the board
and voice your complaint with them. If you've already done so, then you
need to go by whatever recommendations they gave you and/or withdraw
yourself from being a coordinator so that your password(s) will no
longer be an issue. And if you aren't one of the people who was
inconvenienced by this, then you need to step back and ask yourself why
you're getting so worked up over something that doesn't concern you.
Did you go to newsgroups with press releases when the Bank of America
had account numbers stolen? Or when some of these other information
gathering companies had their computers hacked into, resulting in the
thieves getting thousands of SS#s (which are FAR more important than a
password to a web site).

Cathy

Derek Nichols wrote:
Wow, some people just can't read. Or perhaps read what they want to. Ms.
Handley clearly stated in the link:

"So the links to all of my listowner utilities pages included the passwords
to save some time when I accessed them,"

...including the passwords...

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca


Derek Nichols

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av Derek Nichols » 10 apr 2005 02:17:45

As I was unaware that happened with the Bank of America, I couldn't very
well say much about it :)

The press release was widely sent. Leadership when they err should
apologize. They should set an example for all. No admission of wrong doing
was done, and others might now follow the lead and post their passwords for
convenience sake. That was the purpose of this to alert people of such is a
mistake and dangerous, and not to follow the lead of the leaders blindly, to
be safe instead.

I am sure that all genealogists can benefit to be reminded to not keep
passwords online, nor in what is assumed to be a safe place, because there
are very few places that are safe.

I'm done, until the next press release.

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca
"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:KgZ5e.3046$d43.1212@lakeread03...
No, we read THAT. All it means is that the woman made an error in an
effort to save herself some time and work -- there was nothing
underhanded in what she did. However, the fact that someone else hacked
into her website and stole the passwords and then posted them IS
underhanded, and that person is the one you should be taking to account.

It definitely seems as if you have a personal vendetta against the woman
and you need to take it elsewhere and not play it out here. If she had
your password(s), then you need to take it up with the rest of the board
and voice your complaint with them. If you've already done so, then you
need to go by whatever recommendations they gave you and/or withdraw
yourself from being a coordinator so that your password(s) will no
longer be an issue. And if you aren't one of the people who was
inconvenienced by this, then you need to step back and ask yourself why
you're getting so worked up over something that doesn't concern you.
Did you go to newsgroups with press releases when the Bank of America
had account numbers stolen? Or when some of these other information
gathering companies had their computers hacked into, resulting in the
thieves getting thousands of SS#s (which are FAR more important than a
password to a web site).

Cathy

Derek Nichols wrote:
Wow, some people just can't read. Or perhaps read what they want to.
Ms.
Handley clearly stated in the link:

"So the links to all of my listowner utilities pages included the
passwords
to save some time when I accessed them,"

...including the passwords...

Derek Nichols
breeze@nbnet.nb.ca


ZeldaFitzg

Re: The USGenWeb Project NC posts passwords to web

Legg inn av ZeldaFitzg » 10 apr 2005 05:34:54

"Derek Nichols" wrote:
I'm done, until the next press release.

No, for me you are done now.

<PLONK>

Zelda

Marilyn Bess

for and in consideration by the natural love and affection,

Legg inn av Marilyn Bess » 13 apr 2005 15:00:02

Can anyone offer suggestion or explanation on the meaning of these words?
Have You seen them in other deeds and what was the relationship of the
individuals?I have a deed from a James Glenny of Virgil which was then In
Onondaga County but is now in Cortland which contains these words" that the
said James Glenny for and in consideration by the natural love and
affection, which I the said James Glenny heath and ______(I can't make it
out} unto the said Samuel Carson hath given" This dead was for land in Lot
No 42 and was bound on one side by the Lot boundary and another by John
Glenny. In Tompkins county this James Glenny is an agent of Wm Glenny, the
Rev War soldier that was granted these lots. Samuel Carson and John Glenny
are listed as British Subjects in 1812. James Glenny is not registered with
them. I have not found a listing for him to date. However, he could have
been dead. Thank you Marilyn Bess

Gjest

for and in consideration by the natural love and affection,

Legg inn av Gjest » 14 apr 2005 07:10:01

Marilyn Bess wrote in a message to Huntersglenn:

MB> From: bess@penn.com ("Marilyn Bess")

MB> Can anyone offer suggestion or explanation on the meaning of these
MB> words? Have You seen them in other deeds and what was the
MB> relationship of the individuals?I have a deed from a James Glenny
MB> of Virgil which was then In Onondaga County but is now in Cortland
MB> which contains these words" that the said James Glenny for and in
MB> consideration by the natural love and affection, which I the said
MB> James Glenny heath and ______(I can't make it out} unto the said
MB> Samuel Carson hath given" This dead was for land in Lot No 42 and
MB> was bound on one side by the Lot boundary and another by John
MB> Glenny. In Tompkins county this James Glenny is an agent of Wm
MB> Glenny, the Rev War soldier that was granted these lots. Samuel
MB> Carson and John Glenny are listed as British Subjects in 1812.
MB> James Glenny is not registered with them. I have not found a
MB> listing for him to date. However, he could have been dead. Thank
MB> you Marilyn Bess

He was a friend.

--
Steve Hayes
WWW: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com - If it doesn't work, see webpage.

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