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Legg inn av Althiom » 04 apr 2005 20:39:00

I have a strange question.

I decided to create a record of the Obituaries for the town I am
living in. At the moment I an creating a new FTM record for each Obit
that I imput (with the added data of spouse, year of birth, birth
location, day of death, place of death, and a note with a
transcription of the acutal Obituary.

So the question I have, is an electronic form (such as I am creating)
of more value then a picture of the actual Obit.

Thank for thinking about it.

Althiom.

Dennis Lee

Re: Sources

Legg inn av Dennis Lee » 04 apr 2005 21:24:51

Althiom wrote:
I have a strange question.

I decided to create a record of the Obituaries for the town I am
living in. At the moment I an creating a new FTM record for each Obit
that I imput (with the added data of spouse, year of birth, birth
location, day of death, place of death, and a note with a
transcription of the acutal Obituary.

So the question I have, is an electronic form (such as I am creating)
of more value then a picture of the actual Obit.

Thank for thinking about it.

Althiom.


I'm speaking only for me here, not the greater community.


I would appreciate the transcription, if it included words like:
"Transcribed by Bob Jones, March 15, 2005 from an obit on page G19 of
the Sacramento Bee, dated February 9, 1876." And what would follow is
a verbatim rendition of the obit text.

You've given me the original citation. You've put the words into
computer-manipulable text, as opposed to a graphic image. These things
I need.

But if it said "Herb Smith d. February 2, 1876, Sacramento, CA", that's
useful, but not a good reference. Someone needing that info for
ancestry proof would have to go back and find the original citation,
essentially duplicating your work.

Thanks for the efforts...

Dennis Lee
Wimberley, TX

michael kenefick

Re: Sources

Legg inn av michael kenefick » 04 apr 2005 23:37:53

I do both. I will cut and past the obit along with the newspapers
information as a note in FTM. I also try to include any relatives mentions,
such as wife, kids, parents, brother / sisters in the regular part. This way
when I make a connection I can try to verify a person.

Do you have lots of time, energy and money? Save the jpeg and attach that
as a file to that particular tree (if they are already online). Or scan each
obit.

Mike

Dennis Lee wrote:

Althiom wrote:
I have a strange question.

I decided to create a record of the Obituaries for the town I am living in.
At the moment I an creating a new FTM record for each Obit that I imput (with
the added data of spouse, year of birth, birth location, day of death, place
of death, and a note with a transcription of the acutal Obituary.

So the question I have, is an electronic form (such as I am creating) of
more value then a picture of the actual Obit.

Thank for thinking about it.

Althiom.


I'm speaking only for me here, not the greater community.

I would appreciate the transcription, if it included words like: "Transcribed
by Bob Jones, March 15, 2005 from an obit on page G19 of the Sacramento Bee,
dated February 9, 1876." And what would follow is a verbatim rendition of the
obit text.

You've given me the original citation. You've put the words into
computer-manipulable text, as opposed to a graphic image. These things I
need.

But if it said "Herb Smith d. February 2, 1876, Sacramento, CA", that's
useful, but not a good reference. Someone needing that info for ancestry
proof would have to go back and find the original citation, essentially
duplicating your work.

Thanks for the efforts...

Dennis Lee
Wimberley, TX

Althiom

Re: Sources

Legg inn av Althiom » 05 apr 2005 00:15:48

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:24:51 GMT, Dennis Lee <dennis@gazinkus.com>
wrote:

I'm speaking only for me here, not the greater community.

I would appreciate the transcription, if it included words like:
"Transcribed by Bob Jones, March 15, 2005 from an obit on page G19 of
the Sacramento Bee, dated February 9, 1876." And what would follow is
a verbatim rendition of the obit text.

You've given me the original citation. You've put the words into
computer-manipulable text, as opposed to a graphic image. These things
I need.

But if it said "Herb Smith d. February 2, 1876, Sacramento, CA", that's
useful, but not a good reference. Someone needing that info for
ancestry proof would have to go back and find the original citation,
essentially duplicating your work.

Thanks for the efforts...

Dennis Lee
Wimberley, TX

Here is an example of what I am talking about, This is the text of an
individual that appeared in the paper recently. The informaton that I
used to create a Family Tree Maker record for this individual is
marked

Published in the Ocala Star Banner, 3, April 2005.

OCALA - Donald E. Trivitt, 69, a building construction company owner,
^^^^^^^^^^ ^^
died Saturday, March 26, 2005 at Estelle's House.
^^^^^^^^^
Mr. Trifitt was born in Helen W. VA. and moved to Ocala in 1972 from
^^^^^^^^
Sugar Graove, Va. He was a Baptist, a member of Masonic Lodge and a
former deputy sheriff. He also served in the U.S. Marines in Korea.

He was preceded in death by wife, JoeAnn Billings Trivitt.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Survivors include daughters. Toni Austin, Hudson, N.C., Donna
^^^ ^^^^
Albright, Ocala, Lisa Trivitt, Ocala, Kim Trivitt, Ocala; mother;
^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
four sisters, one brother and six grandchildren.

Memorial contributions for American Cancer Society for Glioblastoma
Research.

Heirs Funeral Home, Ocala, provided information.

The only thing that I would possibly add is the page number, but if a
person is attempting to get a "Hard Copy" of the Obit then the
information provided should be sufficient.

Althiom

Steve Hayes

Re: Sources

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 07 apr 2005 04:59:30

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:39:00 GMT, Althiom <gbell3@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

I have a strange question.

I decided to create a record of the Obituaries for the town I am
living in. At the moment I an creating a new FTM record for each Obit
that I imput (with the added data of spouse, year of birth, birth
location, day of death, place of death, and a note with a
transcription of the acutal Obituary.

So the question I have, is an electronic form (such as I am creating)
of more value then a picture of the actual Obit.

Yes.

It's not like a tombstone, where the shape, size and location form an
important part of the information, or a manuscript like a church register,
where there can be disputes about the interpretation of handwriting.

Provided you prroread your transcription, it is just as accurate, takes less
space, on disk, and it is possible to sort a number of them.

I use a text database to store them, so I can search for them on any name. But
I also put them in my genealogy ptrogram in the way you have described. to
show family links.

--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Mike Curtis

Re: Sources

Legg inn av Mike Curtis » 16 apr 2005 15:34:04

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:15:48 GMT, Althiom <gbell3@cfl.rr.com> wrote:


Here is an example of what I am talking about, This is the text of an
individual that appeared in the paper recently. The informaton that I
used to create a Family Tree Maker record for this individual is
marked

Published in the Ocala Star Banner, 3, April 2005.

OCALA - Donald E. Trivitt, 69, a building construction company owner,
^^^^^^^^^^ ^^
died Saturday, March 26, 2005 at Estelle's House.
^^^^^^^^^
Mr. Trifitt was born in Helen W. VA. and moved to Ocala in 1972 from
^^^^^^^^
Sugar Graove, Va. He was a Baptist, a member of Masonic Lodge and a
former deputy sheriff. He also served in the U.S. Marines in Korea.

He was preceded in death by wife, JoeAnn Billings Trivitt.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Survivors include daughters. Toni Austin, Hudson, N.C., Donna
^^^ ^^^^
Albright, Ocala, Lisa Trivitt, Ocala, Kim Trivitt, Ocala; mother;
^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
four sisters, one brother and six grandchildren.

Memorial contributions for American Cancer Society for Glioblastoma
Research.

Heirs Funeral Home, Ocala, provided information.

The only thing that I would possibly add is the page number, but if a
person is attempting to get a "Hard Copy" of the Obit then the
information provided should be sufficient.

Althiom

I have a little different perspective. For this to be of utmost value for
me as a researcher, I would want to see an image of the original document
and a transcription. If I had to choose I would always opt for the
original. You may be the world's most accurate and careful transcriber,
but I don't know you at all. I would never treat the transcription as
anything more than a clue until I went back and saw the original obituary.

That brings up the second point, which is a complete source citation. I
would want to see something consistent with standards set by the Board for
Certification of Genealogists a la Mills: "Donald E. Trivitt obituary,
Ocala Star Banner, Ocala, Florida, 3 April 2005, page xx, column yy."
Realistically, if all of your obits are coming from one or two papers you
could list all of the information just once, and then just show the date,
page number and column number for each individual obit. Then I have all of
the information I need to create my own citation without anything missing.

The bottom line, though, is that anything you do will probably be of value
to genealogical researchers, and we appreciate the effort. If necessary
we'll figure out a way to get whatever else we need.

Best regards,

Mike Curtis

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