I have been using Ancestry.com census data for the last 4 months with
excellent results. But I don't think I'm getting much value from the
pre-1850 data. Can anyone suggest an online guide or book.
Dan
pre-1850 census data.
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Bruce Remick
Re: pre-1850 census data.
"DrDan99" <mikeselld@gmail.com> wrote in message
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As you've surely discovered, the pre-1850 census only listss the name of the
head of household. The others are grouped by age and sex. Beginning in 1850,
the census lists each person in the household (but not their relationship to the
HOH until 1880). It's hard to get blood from a stone, so the limited data in
the pre-1850 census is really all there is. No book or guide can give you much
more than what you see. In some cases you may be able to track a family back a
decade or two, but figuring out family groups is pretty much out of the
question.
Bruce
news:1111893260.872398.283680@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I have been using Ancestry.com census data for the last 4 months with
excellent results. But I don't think I'm getting much value from the
pre-1850 data. Can anyone suggest an online guide or book.
Dan
As you've surely discovered, the pre-1850 census only listss the name of the
head of household. The others are grouped by age and sex. Beginning in 1850,
the census lists each person in the household (but not their relationship to the
HOH until 1880). It's hard to get blood from a stone, so the limited data in
the pre-1850 census is really all there is. No book or guide can give you much
more than what you see. In some cases you may be able to track a family back a
decade or two, but figuring out family groups is pretty much out of the
question.
Bruce
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Christopher Jahn
Re: pre-1850 census data.
"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote in
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It can give you avenues to pursue; I have the Tibbitt clan in Maryland
back to 1850. Prior to that, I can find Tibbitts with the right ages of
children in the household to guide my research even if I can't get
definitive answers. For example, in Samuel Tibbit's bible, the oldest
person is an Anna Tibbit who died in 1835, no relationship mentioned. The
1830 has an Anna Tibbitt with a male "of fifteen and under 20", the correct
age for Samuel. While I cannot prove that the male child is Samuel or that
Anna is his mother, I now have something to research. I also have a list of
other Tibbits in the area with children who could be my GGG. Not
conclusive, but at least I know who had boys the right age in the right
area.
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kind of", or "and stuff".
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"DrDan99" <mikeselld@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I have been using Ancestry.com census data for the last 4 months with
excellent results. But I don't think I'm getting much value from the
pre-1850 data. Can anyone suggest an online guide or book.
Dan
As you've surely discovered, the pre-1850 census only listss the name
of the head of household. The others are grouped by age and sex.
Beginning in 1850, the census lists each person in the household (but
not their relationship to the HOH until 1880). It's hard to get blood
from a stone, so the limited data in the pre-1850 census is really all
there is. No book or guide can give you much more than what you see.
In some cases you may be able to track a family back a decade or two,
but figuring out family groups is pretty much out of the question.
It can give you avenues to pursue; I have the Tibbitt clan in Maryland
back to 1850. Prior to that, I can find Tibbitts with the right ages of
children in the household to guide my research even if I can't get
definitive answers. For example, in Samuel Tibbit's bible, the oldest
person is an Anna Tibbit who died in 1835, no relationship mentioned. The
1830 has an Anna Tibbitt with a male "of fifteen and under 20", the correct
age for Samuel. While I cannot prove that the male child is Samuel or that
Anna is his mother, I now have something to research. I also have a list of
other Tibbits in the area with children who could be my GGG. Not
conclusive, but at least I know who had boys the right age in the right
area.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html
Never sign a contract including any of the phrases "sort of",
kind of", or "and stuff".
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sylak
Re: pre-1850 census data.
You might try "The Census Book" by William Dollarhide. I have also found
some worthwhile material in "Online Roots" by Pamela Boyer & Amy Crow.
Raymond
"DrDan99" <mikeselld@gmail.com> wrote in message
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some worthwhile material in "Online Roots" by Pamela Boyer & Amy Crow.
Raymond
"DrDan99" <mikeselld@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I have been using Ancestry.com census data for the last 4 months with
excellent results. But I don't think I'm getting much value from the
pre-1850 data. Can anyone suggest an online guide or book.
Dan
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Bruce Remick
Re: pre-1850 census data.
"Christopher Jahn" <xjahn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The other problem with the pre-1950 census is that there is no way to determine
whether the individuals listed in a particular household are the HOH's children,
relatives, servants, etc. Sometimes, the best that can be done is to track the
surname back in a town or county until it disappears. Better than nothing.
Bruce
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"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote in
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"DrDan99" <mikeselld@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111893260.872398.283680@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I have been using Ancestry.com census data for the last 4 months with
excellent results. But I don't think I'm getting much value from the
pre-1850 data. Can anyone suggest an online guide or book.
Dan
As you've surely discovered, the pre-1850 census only listss the name
of the head of household. The others are grouped by age and sex.
Beginning in 1850, the census lists each person in the household (but
not their relationship to the HOH until 1880). It's hard to get blood
from a stone, so the limited data in the pre-1850 census is really all
there is. No book or guide can give you much more than what you see.
In some cases you may be able to track a family back a decade or two,
but figuring out family groups is pretty much out of the question.
It can give you avenues to pursue; I have the Tibbitt clan in Maryland
back to 1850. Prior to that, I can find Tibbitts with the right ages of
children in the household to guide my research even if I can't get
definitive answers. For example, in Samuel Tibbit's bible, the oldest
person is an Anna Tibbit who died in 1835, no relationship mentioned. The
1830 has an Anna Tibbitt with a male "of fifteen and under 20", the correct
age for Samuel. While I cannot prove that the male child is Samuel or that
Anna is his mother, I now have something to research. I also have a list of
other Tibbits in the area with children who could be my GGG. Not
conclusive, but at least I know who had boys the right age in the right
area.
The other problem with the pre-1950 census is that there is no way to determine
whether the individuals listed in a particular household are the HOH's children,
relatives, servants, etc. Sometimes, the best that can be done is to track the
surname back in a town or county until it disappears. Better than nothing.
Bruce
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DrDan99
Re: pre-1850 census data.
Thanks for the replys. You all are confirming my feelings but then I
see others use this data a "proof" of locations and family groupings,
etc. I only see hints and the best I can say is this could be a
particular family group. The children were born and died rapidly,
servents and other misc relatives moved in and out. I think the best I
can say is that if I believe I know the composition of the family group
from other sources and the possible location then this might be them.
Not realy any new information. But I will check out the books.
Dan
see others use this data a "proof" of locations and family groupings,
etc. I only see hints and the best I can say is this could be a
particular family group. The children were born and died rapidly,
servents and other misc relatives moved in and out. I think the best I
can say is that if I believe I know the composition of the family group
from other sources and the possible location then this might be them.
Not realy any new information. But I will check out the books.
Dan
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singhals
Re: pre-1850 census data.
DrDan99 wrote:
Once you've got a "hint" from the census, turn to the probate and estate
records. The census, even the 1930, doesn't prove anything all by
itself. .
Cheryl
Thanks for the replys. You all are confirming my feelings but then I
see others use this data a "proof" of locations and family groupings,
etc. I only see hints and the best I can say is this could be a
particular family group. The children were born and died rapidly,
servents and other misc relatives moved in and out. I think the best I
can say is that if I believe I know the composition of the family group
from other sources and the possible location then this might be them.
Not realy any new information. But I will check out the books.
Dan
Once you've got a "hint" from the census, turn to the probate and estate
records. The census, even the 1930, doesn't prove anything all by
itself. .
Cheryl
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anna
Re: pre-1850 census data.
You might try property tax and land records too. Some of them give
sons' names after reaching a certain age (usually 16) which is really
helpful. Also when male dies, the wife usually gets some of the
property so can get death dates from that.
Anna
sons' names after reaching a certain age (usually 16) which is really
helpful. Also when male dies, the wife usually gets some of the
property so can get death dates from that.
Anna