Grave Inscription Question
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
-
Bruce Remick
Grave Inscription Question
I recently located the burial marker of James and Louisa Mortin, my great
grandparents, who came to America from England in the 1870's. I thought it was
unusual that, although both names are listed on the same stone, that Louisa is
shown with her maiden name. (She outlived James by 14 years). Can I read
anything into why she wasn't listed as Louisa Mortin, as seems to be the case
with most all other "joint" stones nearby? Is this perhaps common practice in
England? Is it actually more common that I realize? She had several sons who
lived nearby and likely took care of arrangements. There was no estrangement in
their marriage. Just very curious.....
Bruce
grandparents, who came to America from England in the 1870's. I thought it was
unusual that, although both names are listed on the same stone, that Louisa is
shown with her maiden name. (She outlived James by 14 years). Can I read
anything into why she wasn't listed as Louisa Mortin, as seems to be the case
with most all other "joint" stones nearby? Is this perhaps common practice in
England? Is it actually more common that I realize? She had several sons who
lived nearby and likely took care of arrangements. There was no estrangement in
their marriage. Just very curious.....
Bruce
-
Lesley Robertson
Re: Grave Inscription Question
"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> schreef in bericht
news:tqT0e.72827$SF.11347@lakeread08...
the women keep their own names.
Lesley Robertson
news:tqT0e.72827$SF.11347@lakeread08...
I recently located the burial marker of James and Louisa Mortin, my great
grandparents, who came to America from England in the 1870's. I thought
it was
unusual that, although both names are listed on the same stone, that
Louisa is
shown with her maiden name. (She outlived James by 14 years). Can I read
anything into why she wasn't listed as Louisa Mortin, as seems to be the
case
with most all other "joint" stones nearby? Is this perhaps common
practice in
England? Is it actually more common that I realize? She had several sons
who
lived nearby and likely took care of arrangements. There was no
estrangement in
their marriage. Just very curious.....
Bruce
Were the scots rather than english? It's standard practice in Scotland that
the women keep their own names.
Lesley Robertson
-
singhals
Re: Grave Inscription Question
Bruce Remick wrote:
Chances are pretty good that the lady's maiden name was important in the
area. That's when I see it happening most often.
Cheryl
I recently located the burial marker of James and Louisa Mortin, my great
grandparents, who came to America from England in the 1870's. I thought it was
unusual that, although both names are listed on the same stone, that Louisa is
shown with her maiden name. (She outlived James by 14 years). Can I read
anything into why she wasn't listed as Louisa Mortin, as seems to be the case
with most all other "joint" stones nearby? Is this perhaps common practice in
England? Is it actually more common that I realize? She had several sons who
lived nearby and likely took care of arrangements. There was no estrangement in
their marriage. Just very curious.....
Bruce
Chances are pretty good that the lady's maiden name was important in the
area. That's when I see it happening most often.
Cheryl
-
Bruce Remick
Re: Grave Inscription Question
"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
news:a77a1$424405c5$52d277de$26971@INFOPACT.NL...
Nope. He was from Lancashire and she from Worcestershire. Unless she had
specified before she died how she wanted her name listed on the marker, it would
have been one of her children, all born in the US, who made the decision. The
marker itself stands out among nearby stones as a 4' high obelisk with MORTIN at
the base and the "James Mortin" at the top and "Louisa Jones/his wife" below.
Bruce
news:a77a1$424405c5$52d277de$26971@INFOPACT.NL...
"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> schreef in bericht
news:tqT0e.72827$SF.11347@lakeread08...
I recently located the burial marker of James and Louisa Mortin, my great
grandparents, who came to America from England in the 1870's. I thought
it was
unusual that, although both names are listed on the same stone, that
Louisa is
shown with her maiden name. (She outlived James by 14 years). Can I read
anything into why she wasn't listed as Louisa Mortin, as seems to be the
case
with most all other "joint" stones nearby? Is this perhaps common
practice in
England? Is it actually more common that I realize? She had several sons
who
lived nearby and likely took care of arrangements. There was no
estrangement in
their marriage. Just very curious.....
Bruce
Were the scots rather than english? It's standard practice in Scotland that
the women keep their own names.
Lesley Robertson
Nope. He was from Lancashire and she from Worcestershire. Unless she had
specified before she died how she wanted her name listed on the marker, it would
have been one of her children, all born in the US, who made the decision. The
marker itself stands out among nearby stones as a 4' high obelisk with MORTIN at
the base and the "James Mortin" at the top and "Louisa Jones/his wife" below.
Bruce
-
Toni
Re: Grave Inscription Question
Bruce Remick wrote:
I recently located the burial marker of James and Louisa Mortin, my great
grandparents, who came to America from England in the 1870's. I thought
it was
unusual that, although both names are listed on the same stone, that
Louisa is
shown with her maiden name. (She outlived James by 14 years). [snipped]
"singhals" wrote in message
Chances are pretty good that the lady's maiden name was important in the
area. That's when I see it happening most often.
Both of my paternal grandparents were born in Canada. G-f's mother was born
in Scotland & father Lancashire. G-m's parents both born in Canada & both
her paternal grandparents were both born in England (1823 & '24). All are
buried within a few feet of each other in Bedford Nova Scotia. All the
women have m/s included on their headstones. One g-gf died in Jan 1899 &
wife died 1943. A paternal aunt of mine who is also buried there, as is her
14 year old daughter (d.1947) from her first marriage. Aunt's name is
recorded on her headstone basically with all 3 surnames. Her second husband
is buried with her, so she is recorded as .. name she had at second marriage
[first married name], nee [m/s] and wife of [2nd husband's name].
Toni.
-
singhals
Re: Grave Inscription Question
Toni wrote:
Permit me to rephrase: In the areas where I know Bruce Remick does
research, the lady's maiden name is most often found when her father's
family was important in the area.
Cheryl
Bruce Remick wrote:
I recently located the burial marker of James and Louisa Mortin, my great
grandparents, who came to America from England in the 1870's. I thought
it was
unusual that, although both names are listed on the same stone, that
Louisa is
shown with her maiden name. (She outlived James by 14 years). [snipped]
"singhals" wrote in message
Chances are pretty good that the lady's maiden name was important in the
area. That's when I see it happening most often.
Both of my paternal grandparents were born in Canada. G-f's mother was born
in Scotland & father Lancashire. G-m's parents both born in Canada & both
her paternal grandparents were both born in England (1823 & '24). All are
buried within a few feet of each other in Bedford Nova Scotia. All the
women have m/s included on their headstones. One g-gf died in Jan 1899 &
wife died 1943. A paternal aunt of mine who is also buried there, as is her
14 year old daughter (d.1947) from her first marriage. Aunt's name is
recorded on her headstone basically with all 3 surnames. Her second husband
is buried with her, so she is recorded as .. name she had at second marriage
[first married name], nee [m/s] and wife of [2nd husband's name].
Toni.
Permit me to rephrase: In the areas where I know Bruce Remick does
research, the lady's maiden name is most often found when her father's
family was important in the area.
Cheryl
-
Bruce Remick
Re: Grave Inscription Question
"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
news:6_WdnUG-bdKQ-dnfRVn-vA@rcn.net...
Actually, James and Louisa Mortin were pretty "transparent" as far as their
status in their small Rhode Island community. James was a machinist and Louisa
never worked outside the home. Louisa was widowed in 1899 and lived quietly
alone until her death in 1913. Her children remained nearby in Rhode Island.
The only thing that could possibly relate to her gravestone name is the fact
that on local annual tax lists, James and Louisa Mortin had separate entries.
From 1875 through 1880, they were listed as "Mortin, James and wife".
Thereafter, they were listed as individuals-- Mortin, James and Mortin, Louisa.
James always had the lower tax bill, with Louisa's often five times greater. I
often wondered if they had separated and the family never acknowledged it. As
I'm the eldest now, I guess I'll never know. But that might offer one
explanation for placing her maiden name on the MORTIN gravestone, assuming she
left those instructions.
Bruce
news:6_WdnUG-bdKQ-dnfRVn-vA@rcn.net...
Toni wrote:
Bruce Remick wrote:
I recently located the burial marker of James and Louisa Mortin, my great
grandparents, who came to America from England in the 1870's. I thought
it was
unusual that, although both names are listed on the same stone, that
Louisa is
shown with her maiden name. (She outlived James by 14 years). [snipped]
"singhals" wrote in message
Chances are pretty good that the lady's maiden name was important in the
area. That's when I see it happening most often.
Both of my paternal grandparents were born in Canada. G-f's mother was born
in Scotland & father Lancashire. G-m's parents both born in Canada & both
her paternal grandparents were both born in England (1823 & '24). All are
buried within a few feet of each other in Bedford Nova Scotia. All the
women have m/s included on their headstones. One g-gf died in Jan 1899 &
wife died 1943. A paternal aunt of mine who is also buried there, as is her
14 year old daughter (d.1947) from her first marriage. Aunt's name is
recorded on her headstone basically with all 3 surnames. Her second husband
is buried with her, so she is recorded as .. name she had at second marriage
[first married name], nee [m/s] and wife of [2nd husband's name].
Toni.
Permit me to rephrase: In the areas where I know Bruce Remick does
research, the lady's maiden name is most often found when her father's
family was important in the area.
Cheryl
Actually, James and Louisa Mortin were pretty "transparent" as far as their
status in their small Rhode Island community. James was a machinist and Louisa
never worked outside the home. Louisa was widowed in 1899 and lived quietly
alone until her death in 1913. Her children remained nearby in Rhode Island.
The only thing that could possibly relate to her gravestone name is the fact
that on local annual tax lists, James and Louisa Mortin had separate entries.
From 1875 through 1880, they were listed as "Mortin, James and wife".
Thereafter, they were listed as individuals-- Mortin, James and Mortin, Louisa.
James always had the lower tax bill, with Louisa's often five times greater. I
often wondered if they had separated and the family never acknowledged it. As
I'm the eldest now, I guess I'll never know. But that might offer one
explanation for placing her maiden name on the MORTIN gravestone, assuming she
left those instructions.
Bruce
-
Steve Hayes
Re: Grave Inscription Question
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:17:33 -0500, "Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote:
Oh no, it's happening again - Lesley's message is no longer available!
Has the rogue cancelbot wakened again?
--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/
"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
news:a77a1$424405c5$52d277de$26971@INFOPACT.NL...
"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> schreef in bericht
news:tqT0e.72827$SF.11347@lakeread08...
I recently located the burial marker of James and Louisa Mortin, my great
grandparents, who came to America from England in the 1870's. I thought
it was
unusual that, although both names are listed on the same stone, that
Louisa is
shown with her maiden name. (She outlived James by 14 years). Can I read
anything into why she wasn't listed as Louisa Mortin, as seems to be the
case
with most all other "joint" stones nearby? Is this perhaps common
practice in
England? Is it actually more common that I realize? She had several sons
who
lived nearby and likely took care of arrangements. There was no
estrangement in
their marriage. Just very curious.....
Bruce
Were the scots rather than english? It's standard practice in Scotland that
the women keep their own names.
Lesley Robertson
Nope. He was from Lancashire and she from Worcestershire. Unless she had
specified before she died how she wanted her name listed on the marker, it would
have been one of her children, all born in the US, who made the decision. The
marker itself stands out among nearby stones as a 4' high obelisk with MORTIN at
the base and the "James Mortin" at the top and "Louisa Jones/his wife" below.
Oh no, it's happening again - Lesley's message is no longer available!
Has the rogue cancelbot wakened again?
--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/
-
googled
Re: Grave Inscription Question
"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4km941hc0g2mvahtvjqs66kac27j2gs6c9@4ax.com...
I can see Lesley's message on multiple servers.
news:4km941hc0g2mvahtvjqs66kac27j2gs6c9@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:17:33 -0500, "Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote:
"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
news:a77a1$424405c5$52d277de$26971@INFOPACT.NL...
"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> schreef in bericht
news:tqT0e.72827$SF.11347@lakeread08...
I recently located the burial marker of James and Louisa Mortin, my
great
grandparents, who came to America from England in the 1870's. I
thought
it was
unusual that, although both names are listed on the same stone, that
Louisa is
shown with her maiden name. (She outlived James by 14 years). Can I
read
anything into why she wasn't listed as Louisa Mortin, as seems to be
the
case
with most all other "joint" stones nearby? Is this perhaps common
practice in
England? Is it actually more common that I realize? She had several
sons
who
lived nearby and likely took care of arrangements. There was no
estrangement in
their marriage. Just very curious.....
Bruce
Were the scots rather than english? It's standard practice in Scotland
that
the women keep their own names.
Lesley Robertson
Nope. He was from Lancashire and she from Worcestershire. Unless she
had
specified before she died how she wanted her name listed on the marker,
it would
have been one of her children, all born in the US, who made the decision.
The
marker itself stands out among nearby stones as a 4' high obelisk with
MORTIN at
the base and the "James Mortin" at the top and "Louisa Jones/his wife"
below.
Oh no, it's happening again - Lesley's message is no longer available!
Has the rogue cancelbot wakened again?
--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/
I can see Lesley's message on multiple servers.
-
Bluegene
Re: Grave Inscription Question
It is not all that uncommon in the New Orleans area for the ladies to
be listed on the gravestones under their maiden names. Many of my
ancestors are listed thusly, and even their obituaries, though headed
by their marriage names, call them by their birth names. A sample:
"SUTHERLAND - On Friday at 4:30 p.m.m KATHERINE RICE, beloved wife of
Wm. H. Sutherland, a native of Algiers, aged 30 years. The friends and
acquantiences of the family, also the officers and members of Sunset
Lodge No. 108, Ladies' Auxiliary to the B. of R. T., are respectfully
invited to attend the funeral, which will take place This (Saturday)
Afternoon at 3 o'clock from her late residence , No. 808 Pacific
Avenue, Algiers." (This was taken from a death notice of 22 Sep 1900.)
And the gravestone lists her as Katherine Rice with dates of birth and
death. My Great Grandmother's headstone lists her as Eliza J. Howard,
although the top of the stone is headed FRENCH. My Grandmother,
however, is listed as Matilda S. French, which was her marriage name.
I should mention that some of my family were "Scots - Irish."
And it sure is a boon to genealogists to find gravesites marked this
way! It beats the way the ladies' names were listed here in the
hinterlands of South Louisiana where my wife was raised. You will find
many of the older graves marked "Mrs. Ursin Matherne," or "Mrs.
Christoph Matherne." In fact, it was the way they were addressed while
alive - they had no identities of their own. They were always called
Mrs. Jack, or Grandma Claude, etc. It is always nice to find the
graves here that do list the maiden names of the ladies!
--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote in message
news:tqT0e.72827$SF.11347@lakeread08...
be listed on the gravestones under their maiden names. Many of my
ancestors are listed thusly, and even their obituaries, though headed
by their marriage names, call them by their birth names. A sample:
"SUTHERLAND - On Friday at 4:30 p.m.m KATHERINE RICE, beloved wife of
Wm. H. Sutherland, a native of Algiers, aged 30 years. The friends and
acquantiences of the family, also the officers and members of Sunset
Lodge No. 108, Ladies' Auxiliary to the B. of R. T., are respectfully
invited to attend the funeral, which will take place This (Saturday)
Afternoon at 3 o'clock from her late residence , No. 808 Pacific
Avenue, Algiers." (This was taken from a death notice of 22 Sep 1900.)
And the gravestone lists her as Katherine Rice with dates of birth and
death. My Great Grandmother's headstone lists her as Eliza J. Howard,
although the top of the stone is headed FRENCH. My Grandmother,
however, is listed as Matilda S. French, which was her marriage name.
I should mention that some of my family were "Scots - Irish."
And it sure is a boon to genealogists to find gravesites marked this
way! It beats the way the ladies' names were listed here in the
hinterlands of South Louisiana where my wife was raised. You will find
many of the older graves marked "Mrs. Ursin Matherne," or "Mrs.
Christoph Matherne." In fact, it was the way they were addressed while
alive - they had no identities of their own. They were always called
Mrs. Jack, or Grandma Claude, etc. It is always nice to find the
graves here that do list the maiden names of the ladies!
--
Henry F. Brownlee
Hunting Forebears
"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote in message
news:tqT0e.72827$SF.11347@lakeread08...
I recently located the burial marker of James and Louisa Mortin, my
great
grandparents, who came to America from England in the 1870's. I
thought it was
unusual that, although both names are listed on the same stone, that
Louisa is
shown with her maiden name.
-
joyweave
Re: Grave Inscription Question
This may not be all than uncommon. I learned my husband's gggm's maiden
name exactly this way. I had no idea what is was until I found the stone.
This was in Ulster County, NY and both members of the couple were from
families in the US for many generations.
Joy
Bruce Remick wrote:
name exactly this way. I had no idea what is was until I found the stone.
This was in Ulster County, NY and both members of the couple were from
families in the US for many generations.
Joy
Bruce Remick wrote:
I recently located the burial marker of James and Louisa Mortin, my great
grandparents, who came to America from England in the 1870's. I thought it was
unusual that, although both names are listed on the same stone, that Louisa is
shown with her maiden name. (She outlived James by 14 years). Can I read
anything into why she wasn't listed as Louisa Mortin, as seems to be the case
with most all other "joint" stones nearby? Is this perhaps common practice in
England? Is it actually more common that I realize? She had several sons who
lived nearby and likely took care of arrangements. There was no estrangement in
their marriage. Just very curious.....
Bruce