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L Covey

What is the occupation?

Legg inn av L Covey » 21 mar 2005 01:08:21

1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A

Thanks in advance,

Lani

Ron Head

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av Ron Head » 21 mar 2005 02:47:00

Best I can make out: "T---ting Passenger Agt."

"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A

Thanks in advance,

Lani

Robert Heiling

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 21 mar 2005 03:07:58

Ron Head wrote:

Best I can make out: "T---ting Passenger Agt."

"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Vfo%d.426342$w62.278202@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A

Thanks in advance,

Lani

You sure did a lot better than I, but I now do see the "passenger"
since you pointed it out. I wonder if that isn't "traveling passenger
agt"?

Bob

Thor

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av Thor » 21 mar 2005 03:14:13

Robert Heiling wrote:

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A

Thanks in advance,

Lani

You sure did a lot better than I, but I now do see the "passenger"
since you pointed it out. I wonder if that isn't "traveling passenger
agt"?

Bob

Not travelling passenger agent is it?


--
*~~~~~~~~~~~~Thor

Dick Stephens

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av Dick Stephens » 21 mar 2005 03:22:59

"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A

Thanks in advance,

Lani

Ticketing passenger agent.....?

Dick Stephens

Robert Melson

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 21 mar 2005 04:01:24

In article <423E2C7E.B982C27A@comcast.net>,
Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> writes:
Ron Head wrote:

Best I can make out: "T---ting Passenger Agt."

"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Vfo%d.426342$w62.278202@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A

Thanks in advance,

Lani

You sure did a lot better than I, but I now do see the "passenger"
since you pointed it out. I wonder if that isn't "traveling passenger
agt"?

Bob




Probably worked for the railroad and that would be a ticketing passenger agent -- one who sold tickets.

The Other Bob (_Swell_ Ol' Bob)

--
Robert G. Melson | Nothing is more terrible than
Rio Grande MicroSolutions | ignorance in action.
El Paso, Texas | Goethe
melsonr(at)earthlink(dot)net

Robert Heiling

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 21 mar 2005 04:15:22

Robert Melson wrote:

In article <423E2C7E.B982C27A@comcast.net>,
Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> writes:
Ron Head wrote:

Best I can make out: "T---ting Passenger Agt."

"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Vfo%d.426342$w62.278202@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A

Thanks in advance,

Lani

You sure did a lot better than I, but I now do see the "passenger"
since you pointed it out. I wonder if that isn't "traveling passenger
agt"?

Bob

Probably worked for the railroad and that would be a ticketing passenger agent -- one who sold tickets.

Another gent had also mentioned ticketing, but the problem I have with that is that I don't see a cross on
an "l" so it looks like "ling" (force of habit?<g>) and I don't see the upper part of a "k" sticking up.
Note that you'll see "traveling" again 4 lines down.

Bob

L Covey

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av L Covey » 21 mar 2005 06:47:23

Robert Heiling wrote:

Robert Melson wrote:


In article <423E2C7E.B982C27A@comcast.net>,
Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> writes:

Ron Head wrote:


Best I can make out: "T---ting Passenger Agt."

"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Vfo%d.426342$w62.278202@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A

Thanks in advance,

Lani

You sure did a lot better than I, but I now do see the "passenger"
since you pointed it out. I wonder if that isn't "traveling passenger
agt"?

Bob

Probably worked for the railroad and that would be a ticketing passenger agent -- one who sold tickets.


Another gent had also mentioned ticketing, but the problem I have with that is that I don't see a cross on
an "l" so it looks like "ling" (force of habit?<g>) and I don't see the upper part of a "k" sticking up.
Note that you'll see "traveling" again 4 lines down.

Bob


I, too, don't see the K, but I "do" see a short horizontal line that
could be intended for crossing the "t".

I have come to the conclusion as some: Traveling Passenger Agt.

Thank you,

Lani

Robert Melson

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 21 mar 2005 07:22:26

In article <Ldt%d.157841$Th1.35118@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
L Covey <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> writes:
Robert Heiling wrote:

Robert Melson wrote:


In article <423E2C7E.B982C27A@comcast.net>,
Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> writes:

Ron Head wrote:


Best I can make out: "T---ting Passenger Agt."

"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Vfo%d.426342$w62.278202@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A

Thanks in advance,

Lani

You sure did a lot better than I, but I now do see the "passenger"
since you pointed it out. I wonder if that isn't "traveling passenger
agt"?

Bob

Probably worked for the railroad and that would be a ticketing passenger agent -- one who sold tickets.


Another gent had also mentioned ticketing, but the problem I have with that is that I don't see a cross on
an "l" so it looks like "ling" (force of habit?<g>) and I don't see the upper part of a "k" sticking up.
Note that you'll see "traveling" again 4 lines down.

Bob


I, too, don't see the K, but I "do" see a short horizontal line that
could be intended for crossing the "t".

I have come to the conclusion as some: Traveling Passenger Agt.

Thank you,

Lani

I don't insist that I'm correct and all y'all who suggest "traveling passenger
agent" are wrong -- and I will 'fess up that I haven't viewed the page image
-- but "ticketing" seems to me to be more likely than "traveling", in that
the RRs of the time sold passenger tickets through ticket(ing) or passenger
agents located at their stations and relied on the conductors aboard the
trains to collect fares/issue tickets to those passengers aboard the train
found to be without a ticket. The only circumstance _I_ can think of under
which a passenger agent/ticket agent might be deemed a traveling passenger
agent would be where the individual was sent on a temporary basis from place
to place to substitute for the regular agent or to train new agents. Equally,
if we dismiss RRs and look at passenger shipping, instead, the individual
aboard ship responsible for ticketing and collection of fares would be the
purser and would usually be so designated. If, instead, we consider ferrys
(be nice, now!), it might be that the person aboard the ferry would be a
ticketing agent, tho' why he might further be described as a traveling
passenger agent eludes me.

Anyway, this is my $0.02+ on the subject. Hope I make _some_ sense and y'all
can see why I suggest ticketing passenger agent as the strongest possibility
for the individual's occupation.

The Other Bob (Swell Ol' Bob)

--
Robert G. Melson | Nothing is more terrible than
Rio Grande MicroSolutions | ignorance in action.
El Paso, Texas | Goethe
melsonr(at)earthlink(dot)net

Rick Merrill

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av Rick Merrill » 21 mar 2005 13:55:27

"traveling passenger agent" would be similar to a conductor, but also
able to sell tickets and arrange transfers. It would be different from
the passenger agent who sits in the station.

ecunningham

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av ecunningham » 21 mar 2005 16:01:51

L Covey wrote:
1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A

Lani: After review, I can't accept "Traveling" since the word appears
twice more on the page in Traveling salesman and is not the same as
Gravens listing. I also question "agt", but cannot come up with a good
alternative; however, "agt" appears several lines up and does not look
the same as yours.
What was Gravens doing in 1910?
ecunningham@att.net

Robert Heiling

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 21 mar 2005 16:25:36

Robert Melson wrote:

In article <Ldt%d.157841$Th1.35118@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
L Covey <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> writes:
Robert Heiling wrote:

Robert Melson wrote:

In article <423E2C7E.B982C27A@comcast.net>,
Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> writes:

Ron Head wrote:

Best I can make out: "T---ting Passenger Agt."

"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Vfo%d.426342$w62.278202@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A

Thanks in advance,

Lani

You sure did a lot better than I, but I now do see the "passenger"
since you pointed it out. I wonder if that isn't "traveling passenger
agt"?

Bob

Probably worked for the railroad and that would be a ticketing passenger agent -- one who sold tickets.

Another gent had also mentioned ticketing, but the problem I have with that is that I don't see a cross on
an "l" so it looks like "ling" (force of habit?<g>) and I don't see the upper part of a "k" sticking up.
Note that you'll see "traveling" again 4 lines down.

Bob

I, too, don't see the K, but I "do" see a short horizontal line that
could be intended for crossing the "t".

I have come to the conclusion as some: Traveling Passenger Agt.

Thank you,

Lani

I don't insist that I'm correct and all y'all who suggest "traveling passenger
agent" are wrong -- and I will 'fess up that I haven't viewed the page image
-- but "ticketing" seems to me to be more likely than "traveling", in that
the RRs of the time sold passenger tickets through ticket(ing) or passenger
agents located at their stations and relied on the conductors aboard the
trains to collect fares/issue tickets to those passengers aboard the train
found to be without a ticket. The only circumstance _I_ can think of under
which a passenger agent/ticket agent might be deemed a traveling passenger
agent would be where the individual was sent on a temporary basis from place
to place to substitute for the regular agent or to train new agents. Equally,
if we dismiss RRs and look at passenger shipping, instead, the individual
aboard ship responsible for ticketing and collection of fares would be the
purser and would usually be so designated. If, instead, we consider ferrys
(be nice, now!), it might be that the person aboard the ferry would be a
ticketing agent, tho' why he might further be described as a traveling
passenger agent eludes me.

Anyway, this is my $0.02+ on the subject. Hope I make _some_ sense and y'all
can see why I suggest ticketing passenger agent as the strongest possibility
for the individual's occupation.

In terms of being *likely*, Google on the exact phrase: "traveling passenger agt". QED

Bob

MikeS

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av MikeS » 21 mar 2005 16:52:38

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:423EE770.4F468673@comcast.net...
Robert Melson wrote:

In article <Ldt%d.157841$Th1.35118@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
L Covey <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> writes:
Robert Heiling wrote:

Robert Melson wrote:

In article <423E2C7E.B982C27A@comcast.net>,
Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> writes:

Ron Head wrote:

Best I can make out: "T---ting Passenger Agt."

"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Vfo%d.426342$w62.278202@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A

Thanks in advance,

Lani

You sure did a lot better than I, but I now do see the "passenger"
since you pointed it out. I wonder if that isn't "traveling passenger
agt"?

Bob

Probably worked for the railroad and that would be a ticketing
passenger agent -- one who sold tickets.

Another gent had also mentioned ticketing, but the problem I have with
that is that I don't see a cross on
an "l" so it looks like "ling" (force of habit?<g>) and I don't see
the upper part of a "k" sticking up.
Note that you'll see "traveling" again 4 lines down.

Bob

I, too, don't see the K, but I "do" see a short horizontal line that
could be intended for crossing the "t".

I have come to the conclusion as some: Traveling Passenger Agt.

Thank you,

Lani

I don't insist that I'm correct and all y'all who suggest "traveling
passenger
agent" are wrong -- and I will 'fess up that I haven't viewed the page
image
-- but "ticketing" seems to me to be more likely than "traveling", in
that
the RRs of the time sold passenger tickets through ticket(ing) or
passenger
agents located at their stations and relied on the conductors aboard the
trains to collect fares/issue tickets to those passengers aboard the
train
found to be without a ticket. The only circumstance _I_ can think of
under
which a passenger agent/ticket agent might be deemed a traveling
passenger
agent would be where the individual was sent on a temporary basis from
place
to place to substitute for the regular agent or to train new agents.
Equally,
if we dismiss RRs and look at passenger shipping, instead, the individual
aboard ship responsible for ticketing and collection of fares would be
the
purser and would usually be so designated. If, instead, we consider
ferrys
(be nice, now!), it might be that the person aboard the ferry would be a
ticketing agent, tho' why he might further be described as a traveling
passenger agent eludes me.

Anyway, this is my $0.02+ on the subject. Hope I make _some_ sense and
y'all
can see why I suggest ticketing passenger agent as the strongest
possibility
for the individual's occupation.

In terms of being *likely*, Google on the exact phrase: "traveling
passenger agt". QED

Bob


Sorry I am getting in on this thread quite late, but although I don't have
an answer I do suggest that the first word does not begin with a "T". If
you compare the first letter to other "Ts" on the same page, the upper loop
on the "Ts" begins on the left. In this case, however, the upper loop is on
the right -- perhaps an "L"

Mike

Robert Heiling

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 21 mar 2005 17:32:45

MikeS wrote:

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:423EE770.4F468673@comcast.net...
Robert Melson wrote:
In article <Ldt%d.157841$Th1.35118@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
L Covey <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> writes:
Robert Heiling wrote:
Robert Melson wrote:
In article <423E2C7E.B982C27A@comcast.net>,
Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> writes:

Ron Head wrote:

Best I can make out: "T---ting Passenger Agt."

"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Vfo%d.426342$w62.278202@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A

Thanks in advance,

Lani

You sure did a lot better than I, but I now do see the "passenger"
since you pointed it out. I wonder if that isn't "traveling passenger
agt"?

Bob

Probably worked for the railroad and that would be a ticketing
passenger agent -- one who sold tickets.

Another gent had also mentioned ticketing, but the problem I have with
that is that I don't see a cross on
an "l" so it looks like "ling" (force of habit?<g>) and I don't see
the upper part of a "k" sticking up.
Note that you'll see "traveling" again 4 lines down.

Bob

I, too, don't see the K, but I "do" see a short horizontal line that
could be intended for crossing the "t".

I have come to the conclusion as some: Traveling Passenger Agt.

Thank you,

Lani

I don't insist that I'm correct and all y'all who suggest "traveling
passenger
agent" are wrong -- and I will 'fess up that I haven't viewed the page
image
-- but "ticketing" seems to me to be more likely than "traveling", in
that
the RRs of the time sold passenger tickets through ticket(ing) or
passenger
agents located at their stations and relied on the conductors aboard the
trains to collect fares/issue tickets to those passengers aboard the
train
found to be without a ticket. The only circumstance _I_ can think of
under
which a passenger agent/ticket agent might be deemed a traveling
passenger
agent would be where the individual was sent on a temporary basis from
place
to place to substitute for the regular agent or to train new agents.
Equally,
if we dismiss RRs and look at passenger shipping, instead, the individual
aboard ship responsible for ticketing and collection of fares would be
the
purser and would usually be so designated. If, instead, we consider
ferrys
(be nice, now!), it might be that the person aboard the ferry would be a
ticketing agent, tho' why he might further be described as a traveling
passenger agent eludes me.

Anyway, this is my $0.02+ on the subject. Hope I make _some_ sense and
y'all
can see why I suggest ticketing passenger agent as the strongest
possibility
for the individual's occupation.

In terms of being *likely*, Google on the exact phrase: "traveling
passenger agt". QED

Bob

Sorry I am getting in on this thread quite late, but although I don't have
an answer I do suggest that the first word does not begin with a "T". If
you compare the first letter to other "Ts" on the same page, the upper loop
on the "Ts" begins on the left. In this case, however, the upper loop is on
the right -- perhaps an "L"

To my eye also, his T was formed like an L and I see them as formed by the same
pen motion - left-to-right, then loop back and down except that the looping
motion is kept flat at the top for a T and has a large loop for the L such as in
Life Insurance above. I'd also suggest that if the adjective "traveling" is
treated as modifying the noun "passenger" instead of "agt", that there would be
less difficulty than when viewed as a "traveling agent".

Bob

L Covey

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av L Covey » 21 mar 2005 20:04:38

ecunningham wrote:
L Covey wrote:

1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A


Lani: After review, I can't accept "Traveling" since the word appears
twice more on the page in Traveling salesman and is not the same as
Gravens listing. I also question "agt", but cannot come up with a good
alternative; however, "agt" appears several lines up and does not look
the same as yours.
What was Gravens doing in 1910?
ecunningham@att.net

In 1910? I'll have to check.

Lani

L Covey

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av L Covey » 21 mar 2005 21:18:45

ecunningham wrote:

L Covey wrote:

1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A


Lani: After review, I can't accept "Traveling" since the word appears
twice more on the page in Traveling salesman and is not the same as
Gravens listing. I also question "agt", but cannot come up with a good
alternative; however, "agt" appears several lines up and does not look
the same as yours.
What was Gravens doing in 1910?
ecunningham@att.net

I have been searching the censuses for 1880, 1910, 1920 and 1930. I
haven't finished, but it seems as if all three family members
disappeared from the earth!

The handwriting on the 1900 MN census is difficult to read, especially
with the write-overs on the names. I used the James C., Gweneth L., and
Valentine F. Gravens names as provided by the 1900 census. Valentine,
it seems, would be easy to search in all censuses applicable, but I
haven't yet found him. Also, I have searched the SSDI, but they
wouldn't necesarily be listed there.

I shall continue my searching later today.

Thanks,

Lani

P.S. For what it is worth, my first take on the occupation (first word)
was cemetery...but I have now dismissed that idea.

L Covey

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av L Covey » 21 mar 2005 21:20:01

L Covey wrote:

1900 Census MinneapolisWard8, Hennepin, Minnesota, ED 92

James C Gravens - Head Line 28, Sheet 10A

Thanks in advance,

Lani

Once I did a negative impression for someone. Sort of forgot how to do
that, unless I did so in Adobe Photoshop. Hmm...I'll have to try that too.

Lani

Robert Heiling

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 21 mar 2005 22:30:42

L Covey wrote:

I have been searching the censuses for 1880, 1910, 1920 and 1930. I
haven't finished, but it seems as if all three family members
disappeared from the earth!

The handwriting on the 1900 MN census is difficult to read, especially
with the write-overs on the names. I used the James C., Gweneth L., and
Valentine F. Gravens names as provided by the 1900 census. Valentine,
it seems, would be easy to search in all censuses applicable, but I
haven't yet found him.

This is likely to be Valentine:
Surname GivenName Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location
Year
GREAVES VALENTINE FORD 26 M W IN MA MIDDLESEX 10-WD CAMBRIDGE 1910
ED783,Precinct 1, Page 4A (written)

It's understandable why the transcriber had real problems with that surname,
but the given-name & initial F agree as do the age and places of birth for
him & his parents. Not coincidentally, his wife is a Minnesotan.

HTH
Bob

Gjest

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av Gjest » 22 mar 2005 21:31:00

Ol Bob, I was just about to back you up. The first thing that came to my
mind with the original post was "ticketing agent." But I decided to
first do a Google search for "Traveling Passenger Agent" and yes, that
was a railroad occupation. Go figure.

Here is a link that came up and it's a site which has some wonderful
scanned texts available (I've visited here before..) and this particular
reference is a railroad history. Way, way at the bottom is a list of
names with occupations. You will see one person as Trav. Pass. Agt, but
another one has it spelled out. I'm gonna have to visit this link again
to read this stuff. ;^)

http://docsouth.unc.edu/nc/landofsky/landofsky.html

tootncmon

Researching:
A D K I N S O N - A T K I N S O N - D A N I E L -
D A V I S - J O N E S - All N Carolina ->Tenn -> Ark;

G I L L E T T E - G I L L E T - Va -> Talladega Co., Ala -> Ark;
S P E N C E - Va -> Talladega Co., Ala -> Ark;
H E A R D - Mississippi -> Arkansas;
All in Clark County, Arkansas by 1870
G I L L E T / G I L L E T T E - Va -> Missouri -> Ark
In Prairie County, Arkansas by 1880

Rick Merrill

Re: What is the occupation?

Legg inn av Rick Merrill » 22 mar 2005 22:46:22

tootncmon@webtv.net wrote:

Ol Bob, I was just about to back you up. The first thing that came to my
mind with the original post was "ticketing agent." But I decided to
first do a Google search for "Traveling Passenger Agent" and yes, that
was a railroad occupation. Go figure.

As I said, a traveling agent rode the train, as did a conductor, but the
conductor could not sell you a ticket, only collect it.

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