Spelling help, please
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singhals
Spelling help, please
I'm looking for a family surnamed PERVAIL (or at least, that's how one
of the descendants spelled it when he sent it).
No joy.
I tried PERVALE, no joy; and PERVILL, PERVILLE, no joy.
The Surname thesarus gives me a blank look.
Locale: somewhere in the US
Time: 1850 to 1900
Other than reversing the ER to RE -- can anyone think of another way to
spell it?
Thanks!
Cheryl
of the descendants spelled it when he sent it).
No joy.
I tried PERVALE, no joy; and PERVILL, PERVILLE, no joy.
The Surname thesarus gives me a blank look.
Locale: somewhere in the US
Time: 1850 to 1900
Other than reversing the ER to RE -- can anyone think of another way to
spell it?
Thanks!
Cheryl
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Rick Merrill
Re: Spelling help, please
singhals wrote:
PERVAIL CHARLES 39 M W MD NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY CITY 1870
PERVAIL ELIZABETH 77 F W MD MD ANNE ARUNDEL 2-DIST 2-PCT 1900
PERVAIL HARRIET 46 F W NY MD BALTIMORE 10-WD BALTIMORE 1870
PERVAIL JOHN MD HARFORD 5-DIST
1820
PERVAIL LUCEL M 39 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY CITY 1900
PERVAIL LUCIEL M 52 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY CITY 1920
PERVAIL MINNIE 62 F W NJ NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY CITY 1920
- the finder
I'm looking for a family surnamed PERVAIL (or at least, that's how one
of the descendants spelled it when he sent it).
No joy.
I tried PERVALE, no joy; and PERVILL, PERVILLE, no joy.
The Surname thesarus gives me a blank look.
Locale: somewhere in the US
Time: 1850 to 1900
PERVAIL CHARLES 39 M W MD NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY CITY 1870
PERVAIL ELIZABETH 77 F W MD MD ANNE ARUNDEL 2-DIST 2-PCT 1900
PERVAIL HARRIET 46 F W NY MD BALTIMORE 10-WD BALTIMORE 1870
PERVAIL JOHN MD HARFORD 5-DIST
1820
PERVAIL LUCEL M 39 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY CITY 1900
PERVAIL LUCIEL M 52 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY CITY 1920
PERVAIL MINNIE 62 F W NJ NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY CITY 1920
- the finder
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singhals
Re: Spelling help, please
Rick Merrill wrote:
You know, I swear sometimes I get different results on different days
....! Thanks, I'll certainly look at all of 'em!
I hadn't seen any of those before; I recognize one of the names but I
*think* he's too young to be daddy (-m- 1846) and MUCH too old to be son
(b 1862)
Cheryl
singhals wrote:
I'm looking for a family surnamed PERVAIL (or at least, that's how one
of the descendants spelled it when he sent it).
No joy.
I tried PERVALE, no joy; and PERVILL, PERVILLE, no joy.
The Surname thesarus gives me a blank look.
Locale: somewhere in the US
Time: 1850 to 1900
PERVAIL CHARLES 39 M W MD NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY CITY
1870
PERVAIL ELIZABETH 77 F W MD MD ANNE ARUNDEL 2-DIST
2-PCT 1900
PERVAIL HARRIET 46 F W NY MD BALTIMORE 10-WD
BALTIMORE 1870
PERVAIL JOHN MD HARFORD 5-DIST
1820
PERVAIL LUCEL M 39 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY CITY
1900
PERVAIL LUCIEL M 52 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY CITY
1920
PERVAIL MINNIE 62 F W NJ NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY CITY
1920
- the finder
You know, I swear sometimes I get different results on different days
....! Thanks, I'll certainly look at all of 'em!
I hadn't seen any of those before; I recognize one of the names but I
*think* he's too young to be daddy (-m- 1846) and MUCH too old to be son
(b 1862)
Cheryl
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Rick Merrill
Re: Spelling help, please
singhals wrote:
Other's have had the same feeling.
Only one showed up in two census, and those were not contiguous! That
list is ALL on-line census records with that exact spelling. Clearly
some of the interim census records must have used "alternative" spellings.
Census records require some interpretation: note the spelling change in
first name and in "20 years" he only 'aged' 13 years suggesting it's a
namesake and not the same person! - RM
Rick Merrill wrote:
singhals wrote:
I'm looking for a family surnamed PERVAIL (or at least, that's how
one of the descendants spelled it when he sent it).
No joy.
I tried PERVALE, no joy; and PERVILL, PERVILLE, no joy.
The Surname thesarus gives me a blank look.
Locale: somewhere in the US
Time: 1850 to 1900
PERVAIL CHARLES 39 M W MD NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY
CITY 1870
PERVAIL ELIZABETH 77 F W MD MD ANNE ARUNDEL 2-DIST
2-PCT 1900
PERVAIL HARRIET 46 F W NY MD BALTIMORE 10-WD
BALTIMORE 1870
PERVAIL JOHN MD HARFORD 5-DIST 1820
PERVAIL LUCEL M 39 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY
CITY 1900
PERVAIL LUCIEL M 52 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY
CITY 1920
PERVAIL MINNIE 62 F W NJ NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY
CITY 1920
- the finder
You know, I swear sometimes I get different results on different days
Other's have had the same feeling.
...! Thanks, I'll certainly look at all of 'em!
I hadn't seen any of those before; I recognize one of the names but I
*think* he's too young to be daddy (-m- 1846) and MUCH too old to be son
(b 1862)
Only one showed up in two census, and those were not contiguous! That
list is ALL on-line census records with that exact spelling. Clearly
some of the interim census records must have used "alternative" spellings.
Census records require some interpretation: note the spelling change in
first name and in "20 years" he only 'aged' 13 years suggesting it's a
namesake and not the same person! - RM
Cheryl
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singhals
Re: Spelling help, please
Rick Merrill wrote:
Thanks again Rick! I managed to track 'em to 1920!
Wow; now with at least one birthdate in each generation, maybe I can
turn up more! (g)
Cheryl
singhals wrote:
Rick Merrill wrote:
singhals wrote:
I'm looking for a family surnamed PERVAIL (or at least, that's how
one of the descendants spelled it when he sent it).
No joy.
I tried PERVALE, no joy; and PERVILL, PERVILLE, no joy.
The Surname thesarus gives me a blank look.
Locale: somewhere in the US
Time: 1850 to 1900
PERVAIL CHARLES 39 M W MD NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY
CITY 1870
PERVAIL ELIZABETH 77 F W MD MD ANNE ARUNDEL 2-DIST
2-PCT 1900
PERVAIL HARRIET 46 F W NY MD BALTIMORE 10-WD
BALTIMORE 1870
PERVAIL JOHN MD HARFORD 5-DIST 1820
PERVAIL LUCEL M 39 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY
CITY 1900
PERVAIL LUCIEL M 52 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY
CITY 1920
PERVAIL MINNIE 62 F W NJ NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY
CITY 1920
- the finder
You know, I swear sometimes I get different results on different days
Other's have had the same feeling.
...! Thanks, I'll certainly look at all of 'em!
I hadn't seen any of those before; I recognize one of the names but I
*think* he's too young to be daddy (-m- 1846) and MUCH too old to be
son (b 1862)
Only one showed up in two census, and those were not contiguous! That
list is ALL on-line census records with that exact spelling. Clearly
some of the interim census records must have used "alternative" spellings.
Census records require some interpretation: note the spelling change in
first name and in "20 years" he only 'aged' 13 years suggesting it's a
namesake and not the same person! - RM
Thanks again Rick! I managed to track 'em to 1920!
Wow; now with at least one birthdate in each generation, maybe I can
turn up more! (g)
Cheryl
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Christopher Jahn
Re: Spelling help, please
Rick Merrill <rick0.merrill@gmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:jPydnWvFL7C4ibffRVn-rA@comcast.com:
I have had some luck searching the census on Ancestry.com by looking for
a FIRST name, age, and birth state. It's filled in some census gaps
created by poor penmanship and overwhelmed transcription. First names
are a little less likely to be mis-spelled, but you need the supporting
information to weed out the "false positives".
Knowing the family had been in the region for decades on either side made
this kind of search possible in this case. The family unit and
occupation also nailed it down. In hindsight, I could also have searched
the neighbors from bracketing censuses.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html
I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. (Joe Walsh)
news:jPydnWvFL7C4ibffRVn-rA@comcast.com:
singhals wrote:
Rick Merrill wrote:
singhals wrote:
I'm looking for a family surnamed PERVAIL (or at least, that's how
one of the descendants spelled it when he sent it).
No joy.
I tried PERVALE, no joy; and PERVILL, PERVILLE, no joy.
The Surname thesarus gives me a blank look.
Locale: somewhere in the US
Time: 1850 to 1900
PERVAIL CHARLES 39 M W MD NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY
CITY 1870
PERVAIL ELIZABETH 77 F W MD MD ANNE ARUNDEL 2-DIST
2-PCT 1900
PERVAIL HARRIET 46 F W NY MD BALTIMORE 10-WD
BALTIMORE 1870
PERVAIL JOHN MD HARFORD 5-DIST 1820
PERVAIL LUCEL M 39 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY
CITY 1900
PERVAIL LUCIEL M 52 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY
CITY 1920
PERVAIL MINNIE 62 F W NJ NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY
CITY 1920
- the finder
You know, I swear sometimes I get different results on different days
Other's have had the same feeling.
...! Thanks, I'll certainly look at all of 'em!
I hadn't seen any of those before; I recognize one of the names but I
*think* he's too young to be daddy (-m- 1846) and MUCH too old to be
son (b 1862)
Only one showed up in two census, and those were not contiguous! That
list is ALL on-line census records with that exact spelling. Clearly
some of the interim census records must have used "alternative"
spellings.
Census records require some interpretation: note the spelling change
in first name and in "20 years" he only 'aged' 13 years suggesting
it's a namesake and not the same person! - RM
I have had some luck searching the census on Ancestry.com by looking for
a FIRST name, age, and birth state. It's filled in some census gaps
created by poor penmanship and overwhelmed transcription. First names
are a little less likely to be mis-spelled, but you need the supporting
information to weed out the "false positives".
Knowing the family had been in the region for decades on either side made
this kind of search possible in this case. The family unit and
occupation also nailed it down. In hindsight, I could also have searched
the neighbors from bracketing censuses.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html
I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. (Joe Walsh)
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Kevin Ettery
Re: Spelling help, please
With a name like that I'd suggest also look for surnames such as PURVAIL,
PURVAILE and PURVALE, as phonetically these would sound the same as PERVAIL.
Ciao
Kevin
"Christopher Jahn" <xjahn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns961119318CC0xjahn@216.196.97.136...
PURVAILE and PURVALE, as phonetically these would sound the same as PERVAIL.
Ciao
Kevin
"Christopher Jahn" <xjahn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns961119318CC0xjahn@216.196.97.136...
Rick Merrill <rick0.merrill@gmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:jPydnWvFL7C4ibffRVn-rA@comcast.com:
singhals wrote:
Rick Merrill wrote:
singhals wrote:
I'm looking for a family surnamed PERVAIL (or at least, that's how
one of the descendants spelled it when he sent it).
No joy.
I tried PERVALE, no joy; and PERVILL, PERVILLE, no joy.
The Surname thesarus gives me a blank look.
Locale: somewhere in the US
Time: 1850 to 1900
PERVAIL CHARLES 39 M W MD NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY
CITY 1870
PERVAIL ELIZABETH 77 F W MD MD ANNE ARUNDEL 2-DIST
2-PCT 1900
PERVAIL HARRIET 46 F W NY MD BALTIMORE 10-WD
BALTIMORE 1870
PERVAIL JOHN MD HARFORD 5-DIST 1820
PERVAIL LUCEL M 39 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY
CITY 1900
PERVAIL LUCIEL M 52 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY
CITY 1920
PERVAIL MINNIE 62 F W NJ NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY
CITY 1920
- the finder
You know, I swear sometimes I get different results on different days
Other's have had the same feeling.
...! Thanks, I'll certainly look at all of 'em!
I hadn't seen any of those before; I recognize one of the names but I
*think* he's too young to be daddy (-m- 1846) and MUCH too old to be
son (b 1862)
Only one showed up in two census, and those were not contiguous! That
list is ALL on-line census records with that exact spelling. Clearly
some of the interim census records must have used "alternative"
spellings.
Census records require some interpretation: note the spelling change
in first name and in "20 years" he only 'aged' 13 years suggesting
it's a namesake and not the same person! - RM
I have had some luck searching the census on Ancestry.com by looking for
a FIRST name, age, and birth state. It's filled in some census gaps
created by poor penmanship and overwhelmed transcription. First names
are a little less likely to be mis-spelled, but you need the supporting
information to weed out the "false positives".
Knowing the family had been in the region for decades on either side made
this kind of search possible in this case. The family unit and
occupation also nailed it down. In hindsight, I could also have searched
the neighbors from bracketing censuses.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html
I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. (Joe Walsh)
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singhals
Re: Spelling help, please
Christopher Jahn wrote:
Yes, I've used that successfully in other cases, but in this particular
instance, I had NO idea which part of the US to look in.
Cheryl
Rick Merrill <rick0.merrill@gmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:jPydnWvFL7C4ibffRVn-rA@comcast.com:
singhals wrote:
Rick Merrill wrote:
singhals wrote:
I'm looking for a family surnamed PERVAIL (or at least, that's how
one of the descendants spelled it when he sent it).
No joy.
I tried PERVALE, no joy; and PERVILL, PERVILLE, no joy.
The Surname thesarus gives me a blank look.
Locale: somewhere in the US
Time: 1850 to 1900
PERVAIL CHARLES 39 M W MD NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY
CITY 1870
PERVAIL ELIZABETH 77 F W MD MD ANNE ARUNDEL 2-DIST
2-PCT 1900
PERVAIL HARRIET 46 F W NY MD BALTIMORE 10-WD
BALTIMORE 1870
PERVAIL JOHN MD HARFORD 5-DIST 1820
PERVAIL LUCEL M 39 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD JERSEY
CITY 1900
PERVAIL LUCIEL M 52 F W NY NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY
CITY 1920
PERVAIL MINNIE 62 F W NJ NJ HUDSON 9-WD; JERSEY
CITY 1920
- the finder
You know, I swear sometimes I get different results on different days
Other's have had the same feeling.
...! Thanks, I'll certainly look at all of 'em!
I hadn't seen any of those before; I recognize one of the names but I
*think* he's too young to be daddy (-m- 1846) and MUCH too old to be
son (b 1862)
Only one showed up in two census, and those were not contiguous! That
list is ALL on-line census records with that exact spelling. Clearly
some of the interim census records must have used "alternative"
spellings.
Census records require some interpretation: note the spelling change
in first name and in "20 years" he only 'aged' 13 years suggesting
it's a namesake and not the same person! - RM
I have had some luck searching the census on Ancestry.com by looking for
a FIRST name, age, and birth state. It's filled in some census gaps
created by poor penmanship and overwhelmed transcription. First names
are a little less likely to be mis-spelled, but you need the supporting
information to weed out the "false positives".
Knowing the family had been in the region for decades on either side made
this kind of search possible in this case. The family unit and
occupation also nailed it down. In hindsight, I could also have searched
the neighbors from bracketing censuses.
Yes, I've used that successfully in other cases, but in this particular
instance, I had NO idea which part of the US to look in.
Cheryl
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Rick Merrill
Re: Spelling help, please
....
The bottom line is that you have to search for all reasonable spellings
in all areas as the "spelling" of the name changed with the times and
with the census takers and with the family preferences - and of course
people moved...
Yes, I've used that successfully in other cases, but in this particular
instance, I had NO idea which part of the US to look in.
The bottom line is that you have to search for all reasonable spellings
in all areas as the "spelling" of the name changed with the times and
with the census takers and with the family preferences - and of course
people moved...
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Udo & Jo Ann
Re: Spelling help, please
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/pa/county/l ... er-55.html has a
Pervail on the page.
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/pa/county/l ... er-55.html does
too..
http://members.chello.at/lagraf1/BB-mem ... mbers.html
has a "Pervale"
Greetings,
Jo Ann
Pervail on the page.
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/pa/county/l ... er-55.html does
too..
http://members.chello.at/lagraf1/BB-mem ... mbers.html
has a "Pervale"
Greetings,
Jo Ann
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L Covey
Re: Spelling help, please
singhals wrote:
Purvail, Purvale
Pirvail, Pirvale
Parvail, Parvale
If the i is not clear, perhaps Pervall
Pervehl
Lani
I'm looking for a family surnamed PERVAIL (or at least, that's how one
of the descendants spelled it when he sent it).
No joy.
I tried PERVALE, no joy; and PERVILL, PERVILLE, no joy.
The Surname thesarus gives me a blank look.
Locale: somewhere in the US
Time: 1850 to 1900
Other than reversing the ER to RE -- can anyone think of another way to
spell it?
Thanks!
Cheryl
Purvail, Purvale
Pirvail, Pirvale
Parvail, Parvale
If the i is not clear, perhaps Pervall
Pervehl
Lani
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Richard
Re: Spelling help, please
Cheryl,
If it is a Polish or German name the "V" should be replaced with "W" for the
same sound.
Richard
"singhals" <singhals@TIME.remove-d7p-this> wrote in message
news:3p6dnUIB4LoOfbTfRVn-pA@rcn.net...
If it is a Polish or German name the "V" should be replaced with "W" for the
same sound.
Richard
"singhals" <singhals@TIME.remove-d7p-this> wrote in message
news:3p6dnUIB4LoOfbTfRVn-pA@rcn.net...
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I'm looking for a family surnamed PERVAIL (or at least, that's how one
of the descendants spelled it when he sent it).
No joy.
I tried PERVALE, no joy; and PERVILL, PERVILLE, no joy.
The Surname thesarus gives me a blank look.
Locale: somewhere in the US
Time: 1850 to 1900
Other than reversing the ER to RE -- can anyone think of another way to
spell it?
Thanks!
Cheryl
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