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John Nichols

Slave Citation

Legg inn av John Nichols » 10 feb 2005 01:45:12

If you have evidence that an ancestor or relative owned slaves, how would
you record this in your genealogy database?

(I'm presently using RootsMagic, but am more interested in the proper way to
record this.)

James A. Doemer

Re: Slave Citation

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 10 feb 2005 02:32:16

"John Nichols" <bejay@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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If you have evidence that an ancestor or relative owned slaves, how would
you record this in your genealogy database?

(I'm presently using RootsMagic, but am more interested in the proper way
to
record this.)



Just out of curiosity, why would you record whether or not your ancestor had
a slave? I suppose I would just include it as a note.

John Nichols

Re: Slave Citation

Legg inn av John Nichols » 10 feb 2005 03:35:25

I guess that's what I was wondering, would it be as a note?
"James A. Doemer" <jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"John Nichols" <bejay@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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If you have evidence that an ancestor or relative owned slaves, how would
you record this in your genealogy database?

(I'm presently using RootsMagic, but am more interested in the proper way
to
record this.)



Just out of curiosity, why would you record whether or not your ancestor
had
a slave? I suppose I would just include it as a note.


James A. Doemer

Re: Slave Citation

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 10 feb 2005 04:11:21

"John Nichols" <bejay@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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I guess that's what I was wondering, would it be as a note?
"James A. Doemer" <jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"John Nichols" <bejay@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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If you have evidence that an ancestor or relative owned slaves, how
would
you record this in your genealogy database?

(I'm presently using RootsMagic, but am more interested in the proper
way
to
record this.)



Just out of curiosity, why would you record whether or not your ancestor
had
a slave? I suppose I would just include it as a note.





I guess that is what I would do, and may do. My great, great grandmother, a
woman by the name of Dicey Lockhart had a slave, or rather her mother did
and the slave was more of a nanny to Dicey when she was a girl into her
adulthood. As the family story goes, Sarah, who was the slave, was so
devoted to Dicey that after the Civil War, Sarah stayed with Dicey, and
Dicey started paying her. Dicey married John Christopher Raines and still
Sarah stayed with the family. John and Dicey had 10 children. Sarah was
buried in the family plot, which was later in between John and Dicey. I
haven't included this information yet, but if I do it would just be as a
note. I mean as close as Dicey and Sarah were, Sarah wasn't an actual
family member.

MisNomer

Re: Slave Citation

Legg inn av MisNomer » 10 feb 2005 05:38:12

But interesting family history none the less...

take care
Liz



On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:11:21 GMT, "James A. Doemer" <jdjunkmail@earthlink.net>
wrote:

I guess that is what I would do, and may do. My great, great grandmother, a
woman by the name of Dicey Lockhart had a slave, or rather her mother did
and the slave was more of a nanny to Dicey when she was a girl into her
adulthood. As the family story goes, Sarah, who was the slave, was so
devoted to Dicey that after the Civil War, Sarah stayed with Dicey, and
Dicey started paying her. Dicey married John Christopher Raines and still
Sarah stayed with the family. John and Dicey had 10 children. Sarah was
buried in the family plot, which was later in between John and Dicey. I
haven't included this information yet, but if I do it would just be as a
note. I mean as close as Dicey and Sarah were, Sarah wasn't an actual
family member.


Donna

Re: Slave Citation

Legg inn av Donna » 10 feb 2005 19:34:28

I am using Legacy. Usually slave information will be found in the federal
slave census of 1850 or 1860, and if such a census is pertinent to my
family, I list it as an event just as I list any other census as an event.

Slaveholding information is often found in wills. I make an event for the
will and then type in the text of the will.

I enter **anything** just about that I can find on my relations, including
any newspaper or court notices of sales or purchases. I just make an event
for each item. Sometimes these items will pertain to slaves.

I find the slaveholding information to be quite interesting. In a recent
case I have found two family relations who were preachers but were also
slaveholders. The irony in such a case is part of the picture of that
person's life, and definitely relative imho to family research. I can't
imagine **not** including it, if it is found. If it is something that you
wish not to disclose in a report, you might see if your software program
allows an event to be marked "private" and therefore not to be included in
reports. Legacy will allow this.

Just my thoughts---

Donna


"John Nichols" <bejay@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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If you have evidence that an ancestor or relative owned slaves, how would
you record this in your genealogy database?

(I'm presently using RootsMagic, but am more interested in the proper way
to record this.)

John Nichols

Re: Slave Citation

Legg inn av John Nichols » 10 feb 2005 21:01:51

Thanks, Donna. This makes sense to me. I have a B.A. in History, and as a
teacher have taught Black history at the high school level a few times in my
career. So to me, I can't imagine _not_ including this kind of information.

"Donna" <donna.mr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I am using Legacy. Usually slave information will be found in the federal
slave census of 1850 or 1860, and if such a census is pertinent to my
family, I list it as an event just as I list any other census as an event.

Slaveholding information is often found in wills. I make an event for the
will and then type in the text of the will.

I enter **anything** just about that I can find on my relations, including
any newspaper or court notices of sales or purchases. I just make an
event for each item. Sometimes these items will pertain to slaves.

I find the slaveholding information to be quite interesting. In a recent
case I have found two family relations who were preachers but were also
slaveholders. The irony in such a case is part of the picture of that
person's life, and definitely relative imho to family research. I can't
imagine **not** including it, if it is found. If it is something that
you wish not to disclose in a report, you might see if your software
program allows an event to be marked "private" and therefore not to be
included in reports. Legacy will allow this.

Just my thoughts---

Donna


"John Nichols" <bejay@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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If you have evidence that an ancestor or relative owned slaves, how would
you record this in your genealogy database?

(I'm presently using RootsMagic, but am more interested in the proper way
to record this.)



singhals

Re: Slave Citation

Legg inn av singhals » 10 feb 2005 22:25:41

James A. Doemer wrote:

"John Nichols" <bejay@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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If you have evidence that an ancestor or relative owned slaves, how would
you record this in your genealogy database?

(I'm presently using RootsMagic, but am more interested in the proper way

to

record this.)




Just out of curiosity, why would you record whether or not your ancestor had
a slave? I suppose I would just include it as a note.



Well, it's some of that "life" we all want to add to our bare-bones (g).

I don't see any reason to put anywhere other than in the NOTES using
some phrasing like "The 1850 slave schedule for Bebop County, WH, shows
him with a total of 2 slaves."

Cheryl

Joe Pessarra

Re: Slave Citation

Legg inn av Joe Pessarra » 10 feb 2005 22:33:40

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
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James A. Doemer wrote:

"John Nichols" <bejay@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:s8yOd.182233$w62.88025@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

If you have evidence that an ancestor or relative owned slaves, how
would
you record this in your genealogy database?

(I'm presently using RootsMagic, but am more interested in the proper
way

to

record this.)




Just out of curiosity, why would you record whether or not your ancestor
had
a slave? I suppose I would just include it as a note.



Well, it's some of that "life" we all want to add to our bare-bones (g).

I don't see any reason to put anywhere other than in the NOTES using
some phrasing like "The 1850 slave schedule for Bebop County, WH, shows
him with a total of 2 slaves."

Cheryl


Guess it wouldn't hurt to put the names of the slaves in the database, if
they are known. There are African Americans doing genealogy work also, and
that might be one more potential source of information for someone.

Joe in Georgetown, Texas, USA
Return address is bogus.
Use joepessarra@cox.net
to respond directly.

Gjest

Slave Citation

Legg inn av Gjest » 11 feb 2005 07:11:02

John Nichols wrote in a message to All:

JN> From: "John Nichols" <bejay@worldnet.att.net>

JN> If you have evidence that an ancestor or relative owned slaves, how
JN> would you record this in your genealogy database?

JN> (I'm presently using RootsMagic, but am more interested in the
JN> proper way to record this.)

I don't know that there *is* a "proper" way to record it.

My wife has an ancestor who was a slave, so we just put in the notes "Slave of
Peter Hacker".

In the case of an owner, since slaves were chattels, you could record them with
other chattels -- say from an inventory in a deceased estate.

5 Jersey cows
1 Jersey bull
4 slaves (3 male, 1 female)
2 riding horses


You could record names and ages if they are given.

Or do you suspect that some of them were more than chattels and some of the
descendants of the slaves may be related?

Sala kahle

Steve Hayes
WWW: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com - If it doesn't work, see webpage.

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Gjest

Re: Slave Citation

Legg inn av Gjest » 11 feb 2005 08:51:27

If anyone comes across information on slaves in wills, etc., consider
posting info to this database: http://www.afrigeneas.com/slavedata/

tootncmon

singhals

Re: Slave Citation

Legg inn av singhals » 11 feb 2005 15:28:26

Joe Pessarra wrote:

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
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James A. Doemer wrote:


"John Nichols" <bejay@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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If you have evidence that an ancestor or relative owned slaves, how

would

you record this in your genealogy database?

(I'm presently using RootsMagic, but am more interested in the proper

way

to


record this.)




Just out of curiosity, why would you record whether or not your ancestor

had

a slave? I suppose I would just include it as a note.



Well, it's some of that "life" we all want to add to our bare-bones (g).

I don't see any reason to put anywhere other than in the NOTES using
some phrasing like "The 1850 slave schedule for Bebop County, WH, shows
him with a total of 2 slaves."

Cheryl



Guess it wouldn't hurt to put the names of the slaves in the database, if
they are known. There are African Americans doing genealogy work also, and
that might be one more potential source of information for someone.



So far, I know of only two slave schedules that list names; my ancestors
weren't on either list. (g) Even though I do my research in
slave-states, I don't find that much info on them. What I do find went
up on the County's GenWeb site.

Cheryl

Gjest

Re: Slave Citation

Legg inn av Gjest » 11 feb 2005 20:47:16

Documents you may encounter other than census records that list names of
slaves include deeds, wills, estate inventories made following the death
of the owner. Some plantation owners also kept detailed birth records of
their slaves.

tootncmon

Gjest

Slave Citation

Legg inn av Gjest » 12 feb 2005 07:01:02

tootncmon wrote in a message to Joe Pessarra:

t> From: tootncmon@webtv.net

t> If anyone comes across information on slaves in wills, etc.,
t> consider posting info to this database:
t> http://www.afrigeneas.com/slavedata/

Is that for slaves from any country, any period?

Sala kahle

Steve Hayes
WWW: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com - If it doesn't work, see webpage.

--- WtrGate v0.93.p9 Unreg
* Origin: Khanya BBS, Tshwane, South Africa [012] 333-0004 (8:7903/10)

Gjest

Re: Slave Citation

Legg inn av Gjest » 14 feb 2005 06:37:24

tootncmon wrote in a message to Joe Pessarra:

  t> From: tootncmon@webtv.net

  t> If anyone comes across information on
slaves in wills, etc.,
t> consider posting info to this database:
t> http://www.afrigeneas.com/slavedata/

Is that for slaves from any country, any period?

No. See below for a description of the data collection.
-----------------------------------------------------------
About the Slave Data Collection

AfriGeneas has designed this site to assist the African ancestored
researcher, throughout the diaspora, find a path to the last slaveholder
or the suspected last slaveholder. Records kept by the slaveowner are
frequently the only clue to our ancestors, particularly during the
period 1619-1869.

The site is also designed to assist descendants of slaveholders and
other researchers, to share information they find with any slave
reference in records....

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