I'm soliciting advice on where to direct my research efforts. My great
grandfather, Joel M. Hynne, changed his name to Robert Francis Kenney.
I find him in the 1900 census as Joel M. Hynne (age 16, Holton KS),
and I have his army discharge papers showing that he enlisted on Dec 13,
1911 under the nem of Robert F. Kenney. Family legend has it that he
deserted from the Navy, and adopted the new name to join the Army.
Any suggestions as to where I should look next would be appreciated.
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Name Change
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Donna
Re: Name Change
You might try the censuses of 1920 and 1930.
Do you know his wife's name? And what about children's names? Did he raise
your ancestor as Hynne or Kenney? Do you know where your ancestor was born,
and what year? At some point did he go back to using the Hynne name?
I'll try to help if you can give more information.
Donna
"Scott Kenney" <saken+usenet@hotel.rmta.org> wrote in message
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Do you know his wife's name? And what about children's names? Did he raise
your ancestor as Hynne or Kenney? Do you know where your ancestor was born,
and what year? At some point did he go back to using the Hynne name?
I'll try to help if you can give more information.
Donna
"Scott Kenney" <saken+usenet@hotel.rmta.org> wrote in message
news:cthg53$uo6$1@sugar.rmta.org...
I'm soliciting advice on where to direct my research efforts. My great
grandfather, Joel M. Hynne, changed his name to Robert Francis Kenney.
I find him in the 1900 census as Joel M. Hynne (age 16, Holton KS),
and I have his army discharge papers showing that he enlisted on Dec 13,
1911 under the nem of Robert F. Kenney. Family legend has it that he
deserted from the Navy, and adopted the new name to join the Army.
Any suggestions as to where I should look next would be appreciated.
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Scott Kenney >|< saken@hotel.rmta.org
....Let's exchange the experience -KB
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Scott Kenney
Re: Name Change
Donna <donna.mr@comcast.net> wrote:
Thank you for your reply, I probably wasn't very clear, there is no
problem tracing him after 1915, everyone was Kenney from then on, and
spread out from New Haven, CT. It's the "gap" between 1900-1911 I'm
wondering how to go about looking into. Joel M. Hynne was born in
Lexington Kentucky to George Hynne and Nancy Jane (Jennie) Goode about
1884. Sometime previous to 1900 the family moved to Holton Kansas. He
had two siblings: Inger Hynne and Tampremus Hynne.
Again thank you for your response.
Scott
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Scott Kenney >|< saken@hotel.rmta.org
.....Let's exchange the experience -KB
You might try the censuses of 1920 and 1930.
Do you know his wife's name? And what about children's names? Did he raise
your ancestor as Hynne or Kenney? Do you know where your ancestor was born,
and what year? At some point did he go back to using the Hynne name?
I'll try to help if you can give more information.
Thank you for your reply, I probably wasn't very clear, there is no
problem tracing him after 1915, everyone was Kenney from then on, and
spread out from New Haven, CT. It's the "gap" between 1900-1911 I'm
wondering how to go about looking into. Joel M. Hynne was born in
Lexington Kentucky to George Hynne and Nancy Jane (Jennie) Goode about
1884. Sometime previous to 1900 the family moved to Holton Kansas. He
had two siblings: Inger Hynne and Tampremus Hynne.
Again thank you for your response.
Scott
Donna
"Scott Kenney" <saken+usenet@hotel.rmta.org> wrote in message
news:cthg53$uo6$1@sugar.rmta.org...
I'm soliciting advice on where to direct my research efforts. My great
grandfather, Joel M. Hynne, changed his name to Robert Francis Kenney.
I find him in the 1900 census as Joel M. Hynne (age 16, Holton KS),
and I have his army discharge papers showing that he enlisted on Dec 13,
1911 under the nem of Robert F. Kenney. Family legend has it that he
deserted from the Navy, and adopted the new name to join the Army.
Any suggestions as to where I should look next would be appreciated.
--
Scott Kenney >|< saken@hotel.rmta.org
....Let's exchange the experience -KB
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Scott Kenney >|< saken@hotel.rmta.org
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Robert Heiling
Re: Name Change
Scott Kenney wrote:
It's rather unclear as to why you think those 2 people are one and the same. Could
you elaborate? The direction of migration is counter to the general trend and
changing the full name (not just the surname) is quite unusual.
Bob
Donna <donna.mr@comcast.net> wrote:
You might try the censuses of 1920 and 1930.
Do you know his wife's name? And what about children's names? Did he raise
your ancestor as Hynne or Kenney? Do you know where your ancestor was born,
and what year? At some point did he go back to using the Hynne name?
I'll try to help if you can give more information.
Thank you for your reply, I probably wasn't very clear, there is no
problem tracing him after 1915, everyone was Kenney from then on, and
spread out from New Haven, CT. It's the "gap" between 1900-1911 I'm
wondering how to go about looking into. Joel M. Hynne was born in
Lexington Kentucky to George Hynne and Nancy Jane (Jennie) Goode about
1884. Sometime previous to 1900 the family moved to Holton Kansas. He
had two siblings: Inger Hynne and Tampremus Hynne.
"Scott Kenney" <saken+usenet@hotel.rmta.org> wrote in message
news:cthg53$uo6$1@sugar.rmta.org...
I'm soliciting advice on where to direct my research efforts. My great
grandfather, Joel M. Hynne, changed his name to Robert Francis Kenney.
I find him in the 1900 census as Joel M. Hynne (age 16, Holton KS),
and I have his army discharge papers showing that he enlisted on Dec 13,
1911 under the nem of Robert F. Kenney. Family legend has it that he
deserted from the Navy, and adopted the new name to join the Army.
Any suggestions as to where I should look next would be appreciated.
It's rather unclear as to why you think those 2 people are one and the same. Could
you elaborate? The direction of migration is counter to the general trend and
changing the full name (not just the surname) is quite unusual.
Bob
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Scott Kenney
Re: Name Change
Thank you for your response.
Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> wrote:
[snip Hynne -> Kenney, name change]
1) That's the story he told my (late) father years ago. He actually
claimed to have taken the name from a directory listing
2) the baby picture from a Holton, KS
3) The migration pattern is easily explained, he enlisted in the army at
Jefferson Bks, Missouri and was assigned to Fort Terry on Long Island.
His (future) wife, Nora Towey, lived in Stonington, CT at the time. My
conjecture is that he met her on leave in New London, which is the
closest "big city" to Plum Island (where Fort Terry was).
4) The sister named Tampremus Hynne Fleeman. My father always wondered
where his great aunt "Woo" got the strange name Tampremus.
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Scott Kenney >|< saken@hotel.rmta.org
.....Let's exchange the experience -KB
Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> wrote:
[snip Hynne -> Kenney, name change]
It's rather unclear as to why you think those 2 people are one and the
same. Could you elaborate? The direction of migration is counter to
the general trend and changing the full name (not just the surname) is
quite unusual.
1) That's the story he told my (late) father years ago. He actually
claimed to have taken the name from a directory listing
2) the baby picture from a Holton, KS
3) The migration pattern is easily explained, he enlisted in the army at
Jefferson Bks, Missouri and was assigned to Fort Terry on Long Island.
His (future) wife, Nora Towey, lived in Stonington, CT at the time. My
conjecture is that he met her on leave in New London, which is the
closest "big city" to Plum Island (where Fort Terry was).
4) The sister named Tampremus Hynne Fleeman. My father always wondered
where his great aunt "Woo" got the strange name Tampremus.
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Scott Kenney >|< saken@hotel.rmta.org
.....Let's exchange the experience -KB
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Robert Heiling
Re: Name Change
Scott Kenney wrote:
That's a poor practice that far too many people follow here and it's not a
good idea to snip your basic posting information. You probably have it all
by memory, but your audience doesn't and would have to have saved off a
private copy or referred back online in the newsgroup for a previous post.
The milliseconds saved in transmission time don't warrant the inconvenience
to your audience and I hope others will take this message to heart.
If he claims to have told the previous story, how can you be certain that he
wasn't telling one then?
Photographer? with the photographer's name & stamp on the photo?
That would make sense. It would also be true if he was stationed there no
matter what his name or background was.
Did he know her personally so that it was from personal experience or was he
told that?
Anyhow, I did a rather logical thing and looked for the original Joel M.
Hynne to see if there was such a person still around. The 1920 census of
Kansas City, MO has a Joe M. Hynne along with his wife Nora and young son
George. He also was born in Kansas and his father also was born in Illinois.
His mother was born in Kentucky and the Holton Joel's was Tennesee, but
there are similar discrepancies in the stated facts. The largest discrepancy
is that he was 40 and the original Joel would have been 36, but censuses are
notorious for that type of error.
Does this all need rethinking?
Bob
Thank you for your response.
Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> wrote:
[snip Hynne -> Kenney, name change]
That's a poor practice that far too many people follow here and it's not a
good idea to snip your basic posting information. You probably have it all
by memory, but your audience doesn't and would have to have saved off a
private copy or referred back online in the newsgroup for a previous post.
The milliseconds saved in transmission time don't warrant the inconvenience
to your audience and I hope others will take this message to heart.
It's rather unclear as to why you think those 2 people are one and the
same. Could you elaborate? The direction of migration is counter to
the general trend and changing the full name (not just the surname) is
quite unusual.
1) That's the story he told my (late) father years ago. He actually
claimed to have taken the name from a directory listing
If he claims to have told the previous story, how can you be certain that he
wasn't telling one then?
2) the baby picture from a Holton, KS
Photographer? with the photographer's name & stamp on the photo?
3) The migration pattern is easily explained, he enlisted in the army at
Jefferson Bks, Missouri and was assigned to Fort Terry on Long Island.
His (future) wife, Nora Towey, lived in Stonington, CT at the time. My
conjecture is that he met her on leave in New London, which is the
closest "big city" to Plum Island (where Fort Terry was).
That would make sense. It would also be true if he was stationed there no
matter what his name or background was.
4) The sister named Tampremus Hynne Fleeman. My father always wondered
where his great aunt "Woo" got the strange name Tampremus.
Did he know her personally so that it was from personal experience or was he
told that?
Anyhow, I did a rather logical thing and looked for the original Joel M.
Hynne to see if there was such a person still around. The 1920 census of
Kansas City, MO has a Joe M. Hynne along with his wife Nora and young son
George. He also was born in Kansas and his father also was born in Illinois.
His mother was born in Kentucky and the Holton Joel's was Tennesee, but
there are similar discrepancies in the stated facts. The largest discrepancy
is that he was 40 and the original Joel would have been 36, but censuses are
notorious for that type of error.
Does this all need rethinking?
Bob
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Scott Kenney
Re: Name Change
Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> wrote:
Well he seemed to be a story teller, but the name Joel Hynne, would be a
very strange one to pick out. Stranger things have happened though.
Wm. M. Oaks, Holton Kans (infant picture)
Oaks & Ireland, Holton (2 or 3 years old)
My father met her, she died in 1975.
That's looking pretty good. He and Nora had 3 children, George, Robert,
and William. His father George was born in Chicago. On second look his
army discharge says he was born in Lexington, KY, but his marriage
license says Holton Kansas.
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Scott Kenney >|< saken@hotel.rmta.org
.....Let's exchange the experience -KB
Scott Kenney wrote:
Thank you for your response.
Robert Heiling <robheil@comcast.net> wrote:
[snip Hynne -> Kenney, name change]
That's a poor practice that far too many people follow here and it's not a
good idea to snip your basic posting information. You probably have it all
by memory, but your audience doesn't and would have to have saved off a
private copy or referred back online in the newsgroup for a previous post.
The milliseconds saved in transmission time don't warrant the inconvenience
to your audience and I hope others will take this message to heart.
It's rather unclear as to why you think those 2 people are one and the
same. Could you elaborate? The direction of migration is counter to
the general trend and changing the full name (not just the surname) is
quite unusual.
1) That's the story he told my (late) father years ago. He actually
claimed to have taken the name from a directory listing
If he claims to have told the previous story, how can you be certain that he
wasn't telling one then?
Well he seemed to be a story teller, but the name Joel Hynne, would be a
very strange one to pick out. Stranger things have happened though.
2) the baby picture from a Holton, KS
Photographer? with the photographer's name & stamp on the photo?
Wm. M. Oaks, Holton Kans (infant picture)
Oaks & Ireland, Holton (2 or 3 years old)
3) The migration pattern is easily explained, he enlisted in the army at
Jefferson Bks, Missouri and was assigned to Fort Terry on Long Island.
His (future) wife, Nora Towey, lived in Stonington, CT at the time. My
conjecture is that he met her on leave in New London, which is the
closest "big city" to Plum Island (where Fort Terry was).
That would make sense. It would also be true if he was stationed there no
matter what his name or background was.
4) The sister named Tampremus Hynne Fleeman. My father always wondered
where his great aunt "Woo" got the strange name Tampremus.
Did he know her personally so that it was from personal experience or was he
told that?
My father met her, she died in 1975.
Anyhow, I did a rather logical thing and looked for the original Joel M.
Hynne to see if there was such a person still around. The 1920 census of
Kansas City, MO has a Joe M. Hynne along with his wife Nora and young son
George. He also was born in Kansas and his father also was born in Illinois.
His mother was born in Kentucky and the Holton Joel's was Tennesee, but
there are similar discrepancies in the stated facts. The largest discrepancy
is that he was 40 and the original Joel would have been 36, but censuses are
notorious for that type of error.
That's looking pretty good. He and Nora had 3 children, George, Robert,
and William. His father George was born in Chicago. On second look his
army discharge says he was born in Lexington, KY, but his marriage
license says Holton Kansas.
Does this all need rethinking?
--
Scott Kenney >|< saken@hotel.rmta.org
.....Let's exchange the experience -KB