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ancestry census images

Legg inn av Ennc » 10 jan 2005 22:35:17

Hi,
I'm trying to get a good copy of a 1900 census image saved to my hard drive
.... from Ancestry. But it saves as a very small and useless image. Help!
How can I get it to save as a good image?
Thanks,
Nancy

Charani

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Charani » 10 jan 2005 23:25:51

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:35:17 -0500, Ennc wrote:

Hi,
I'm trying to get a good copy of a 1900 census image saved to my hard drive
... from Ancestry. But it saves as a very small and useless image. Help!
How can I get it to save as a good image?

Do you have a program such as Irfanview which you could use to enlarge
the image??

MikeS

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av MikeS » 10 jan 2005 23:41:51

"Ennc" <nancyandgene65@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
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Hi,
I'm trying to get a good copy of a 1900 census image saved to my hard
drive
... from Ancestry. But it saves as a very small and useless image. Help!
How can I get it to save as a good image?

Nancy,

Many images on ancestry.com are MrSid images. After saving them to disk and
in order to view these images you need to download the ExpressView Browser
Plug-in here
http://www.lizardtech.com/download/dl_d ... atform=win
or as suggested by Charani you can also use Irfanview which can be
downloaded here http://www.irfanview.com/ . The Express View Browser is
what I use for MrSid images. You can use Irfanview for them as well and
this viewer can be used to convert them to .jpg, etc.

Mike

Ennc

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Ennc » 11 jan 2005 00:29:34

"MikeS" <archangel@heaven.com> wrote in message
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"Ennc" <nancyandgene65@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
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Hi,
I'm trying to get a good copy of a 1900 census image saved to my hard
drive
... from Ancestry. But it saves as a very small and useless image.
Help!
How can I get it to save as a good image?

Nancy,

Many images on ancestry.com are MrSid images. After saving them to disk
and
in order to view these images you need to download the ExpressView Browser
Plug-in here

http://www.lizardtech.com/download/dl_d ... atform=win
or as suggested by Charani you can also use Irfanview which can be
downloaded here http://www.irfanview.com/ . The Express View Browser is
what I use for MrSid images. You can use Irfanview for them as well and
this viewer can be used to convert them to .jpg, etc.

Mike

Hi Mike,


Well, that (the Irfanview ... can't use the other one because I don't have
Windows 2000 or better) took care of it but why in the world did they decide
to make such a mess of it all? Why not do like they did for other years?
These images are inferior to others I have. I had saved the identical image
in the past and it is far superior in quality.

Thanks for your help,
Nancy

MikeS

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av MikeS » 11 jan 2005 00:37:35

"Ennc" <nancyandgene65@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
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Well, that (the Irfanview ... can't use the other one because I don't have
Windows 2000 or better) took care of it but why in the world did they
decide
to make such a mess of it all? Why not do like they did for other years?
These images are inferior to others I have. I had saved the identical
image
in the past and it is far superior in quality.

Nancy,

I take your question as a rhetorical one which probably cannot be answered.
You have to understand that ancestry purchased many of their indexes,
images, etc. from various vendors thus different ways of capturing the
images. Many times, I have used ancestry as a resource and then went after
the image on HeritageQuest. On the other hand, some of the HeritageQuest
images have been bad and I went to ancestry. Anyone for ping pong?

Mike

Donna

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Donna » 11 jan 2005 01:08:43

I play ping pong with ancestry and heritage, too.

:-) Donna


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"Ennc" <nancyandgene65@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
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Well, that (the Irfanview ... can't use the other one because I don't
have
Windows 2000 or better) took care of it but why in the world did they
decide
to make such a mess of it all? Why not do like they did for other
years?
These images are inferior to others I have. I had saved the identical
image
in the past and it is far superior in quality.

Nancy,

I take your question as a rhetorical one which probably cannot be
answered. You have to understand that ancestry purchased many of their
indexes, images, etc. from various vendors thus different ways of
capturing the images. Many times, I have used ancestry as a resource and
then went after the image on HeritageQuest. On the other hand, some of
the HeritageQuest images have been bad and I went to ancestry. Anyone for
ping pong?

Mike

Bruce Remick

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Bruce Remick » 11 jan 2005 02:30:53

"Donna" <donna.mr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I play ping pong with ancestry and heritage, too.

:-) Donna


Me, too. I just wish Heritage (Godfrey for me) would do some more upgrading
of their census offerings, I can't think of anything they've added in the
past year. I still look to Ancestry for the Soundex and every-name searches
that Heritage lacks.

Bruce

Doug Chadduck

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Doug Chadduck » 11 jan 2005 04:13:37

Bruce Remick wrote:
"Donna" <donna.mr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I play ping pong with ancestry and heritage, too.

:-) Donna


Me, too. I just wish Heritage (Godfrey for me) would do some more upgrading
of their census offerings, I can't think of anything they've added in the
past year. I still look to Ancestry for the Soundex and every-name searches
that Heritage lacks.

Bruce


I did a lot of my finding and figuring in Ancestry, at the library,

then, with a notebook full I went to Godfrey, (well worth the money),
for the images. I've probably downloaded 75 to a 100 and printed them in
their original size. 11 x 17 ,original size for a lot of years, is so
much easier to read than anything smaller. Especially with these old
eyes. Have a ton of big heavy surplus 11 x 17 binders at work, and with
a couple reems of my own paper.................
Side note - A lot of Godfrey stuff, at least last winter, wasn't obvious
unless you knew the state, country, etc etc data. Many of the images
were there but just weren't indexed.

Marge

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Marge » 11 jan 2005 06:50:51

I sent an email to Ancestry about the blurry images that result when I
printed
saved census images from their site.
Here is the response I received:

"Thank you for your email.

Please note that the JPEG (.jpg) format is a compressed image format.
For this reason, you may experience difficulties with the image being
blurry. Please try saving your files in bitmap (.bmp) format. This
should eliminate any blurriness.

If there is anything else we can assist you with, please let us know.

Clint
Customer Solutions
MyFamily.com / Ancestry.com"

I should mention that when I save them I use PSP to print them. I
resize them cutting out all the black that is around the image. I
don't like wasting all that black ink when I print them. It can get
to be expensive when you save and print a lot of the images.

Don't know if this is the answer you are seeking - just hope it
helps someone.
Marge

"Ennc" <nancyandgene65@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
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Hi,
I'm trying to get a good copy of a 1900 census image saved to my hard
drive
... from Ancestry. But it saves as a very small and useless image. Help!
How can I get it to save as a good image?
Thanks,
Nancy


Charani

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Charani » 11 jan 2005 11:18:13

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:50:51 -0500, Marge wrote:

Please note that the JPEG (.jpg) format is a compressed image format.
For this reason, you may experience difficulties with the image being
blurry. Please try saving your files in bitmap (.bmp) format. This
should eliminate any blurriness.

Hmmm, I think I'd take issue with this because if you're saving a
number of images in bitmap format, they'll take up a lot of space.
You'd need to do as you have and print them off - then home nothing
drastic happens to the hard copies!!

My dau keeps saving drawings she's done in paint. They're bitmaps and
every now and then I have to go in and clear a load out because her PC
is grinding to a halt.

Marge

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Marge » 11 jan 2005 12:20:02

"Charani" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:50:51 -0500, Marge wrote:

Please note that the JPEG (.jpg) format is a compressed image format.
For this reason, you may experience difficulties with the image being
blurry. Please try saving your files in bitmap (.bmp) format. This
should eliminate any blurriness.

Hmmm, I think I'd take issue with this because if you're saving a
number of images in bitmap format, they'll take up a lot of space.
You'd need to do as you have and print them off - then home nothing
drastic happens to the hard copies!!

My dau keeps saving drawings she's done in paint. They're bitmaps and
every now and then I have to go in and clear a load out because her PC
is grinding to a halt.

My solution to bogging down my computer is:
I keep them in a separate Census folder and burn them to a CD then take them
off my PC.
Marge

Charani

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Charani » 11 jan 2005 14:02:10

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:21:03 -0500, Marge wrote:

My solution to bogging down my computer is:
I keep them in a separate Census folder and burn them to a CD then take them
off my PC.

Wise move because then you've still got it all even if your PC turns
its toes up :))

Ennc

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Ennc » 11 jan 2005 14:19:57

"MikeS" <archangel@heaven.com> wrote in message
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"Ennc" <nancyandgene65@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
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Well, that (the Irfanview ... can't use the other one because I don't
have
Windows 2000 or better) took care of it but why in the world did they
decide
to make such a mess of it all? Why not do like they did for other
years?
These images are inferior to others I have. I had saved the identical
image
in the past and it is far superior in quality.

Nancy,

I take your question as a rhetorical one which probably cannot be
answered.
You have to understand that ancestry purchased many of their indexes,
images, etc. from various vendors thus different ways of capturing the
images. Many times, I have used ancestry as a resource and then went
after
the image on HeritageQuest. On the other hand, some of the HeritageQuest
images have been bad and I went to ancestry. Anyone for ping pong?

Mike


Hi Mike,

I agree on all counts but guess HeritageQuest gets their data in different
formats. I did like them a whole lot when I had them in 2003/4. Only thing
is I needed the every name indexes so turned to Ancestry.
Thanks to you and everyone else here for your valuable help,
Nancy

singhals

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av singhals » 11 jan 2005 14:40:26

Marge wrote:


I should mention that when I save them I use PSP to print them. I
resize them cutting out all the black that is around the image. I
don't like wasting all that black ink when I print them. It can get
to be expensive when you save and print a lot of the images.

JIC no one has mentioned it to you yet or that someone else hasn't heard (g)

JPG is a "lossy" format. Each time you open it and resave it you may
expect to lose some detail/sharpness. How much you lose depends on
settings in your computer and/or software; as a rule, I think it's
something like 10% loss for each save? (Someone correct that if it's
generically wrong... My computer is set to save for quality so I lose
much less than 10%.)

You might also note that on many of the Ancestry image pages, in the
right hand column is an icon that says "quality" with a blue arrow
pointing either up or down. If it's pointing up, there is a better
quality image available so click the icon to get it and print that.

Cheryl

Ennc

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Ennc » 11 jan 2005 14:54:23

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
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Marge wrote:



I should mention that when I save them I use PSP to print them. I
resize them cutting out all the black that is around the image. I
don't like wasting all that black ink when I print them. It can get
to be expensive when you save and print a lot of the images.

JIC no one has mentioned it to you yet or that someone else hasn't heard
(g)

JPG is a "lossy" format. Each time you open it and resave it you may
expect to lose some detail/sharpness. How much you lose depends on
settings in your computer and/or software; as a rule, I think it's
something like 10% loss for each save? (Someone correct that if it's
generically wrong... My computer is set to save for quality so I lose
much less than 10%.)

You might also note that on many of the Ancestry image pages, in the
right hand column is an icon that says "quality" with a blue arrow
pointing either up or down. If it's pointing up, there is a better
quality image available so click the icon to get it and print that.

Cheryl

Hi Cheryl,


I did not know what that "lossy" meant when it came up in my software.
Thanks for educating me. Will the same loss ocurr in a .gif format? Or a
..bmp? I have been saving all my old photos in .jpg and now should change
them over to something more stable. Also will look for the higher quality
blue arrow but am on the fly right now. Will be back this afternoon.
Take care,
Nancy

Bruce Remick

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Bruce Remick » 11 jan 2005 18:42:35

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
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Marge wrote:



I should mention that when I save them I use PSP to print them. I
resize them cutting out all the black that is around the image. I
don't like wasting all that black ink when I print them. It can get
to be expensive when you save and print a lot of the images.

JIC no one has mentioned it to you yet or that someone else hasn't heard
(g)

JPG is a "lossy" format. Each time you open it and resave it you may
expect to lose some detail/sharpness. How much you lose depends on
settings in your computer and/or software; as a rule, I think it's
something like 10% loss for each save? (Someone correct that if it's
generically wrong... My computer is set to save for quality so I lose
much less than 10%.)

Is there a place on the computer can you make that setting, or do you have
to make adjustments in the software you use to store images? I use
ThumbsPlus. I'm sure I'm set at a default, whatever that is.

Bruce

Bruce

dps

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av dps » 11 jan 2005 20:00:02

IrfanView is a nice little viewer that will allow you to adjust the
quality of jpeg saves. It's freeware and can be found at
http://www.irfanview.com/ The basic download is less than 1 MByte and
the plugins (which are useful once you learn how to use them) are about
4-5 MBytes.

IrfanView will do basic editing functions as well as viewing and
converting between file formats. You can crop, resize, change brightness
and contrast, color balance, add text, etc. fairly easily. It also gives
you access to comment fields on jpegs and exif fields for digital
photos. Generally a useful viewer. Cutting and pasting in IrfanView is
not quite as straightforward as it might be in photo editors, but for
all the basic stuff it's great (and free).

Jpegs don't lose anything when you open them, but they do lose some when
you save them (e.g. after editing the black edges out). You could
convert to a lossless format such as .PNG, but not everyone can handle
them. .BMP or .TIF files are large, but memory is getting cheaper all
the time.

Bruce Remick wrote:
"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote
Marge wrote:

I should mention that when I save them I use PSP to print them. I
resize them cutting out all the black that is around the image. I
don't like wasting all that black ink when I print them. It can get
to be expensive when you save and print a lot of the images.

JIC no one has mentioned it to you yet or that someone else hasn't heard

JPG is a "lossy" format. Each time you open it and resave it you may
expect to lose some detail/sharpness. How much you lose depends on
settings in your computer and/or software; as a rule, I think it's
something like 10% loss for each save? (Someone correct that if it's
generically wrong... My computer is set to save for quality so I lose
much less than 10%.)


Is there a place on the computer can you make that setting, or do you have
to make adjustments in the software you use to store images? I use
ThumbsPlus. I'm sure I'm set at a default, whatever that is.

Bruce

Ennc

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Ennc » 11 jan 2005 20:04:03

"Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net> wrote in message
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"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
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Marge wrote:



I should mention that when I save them I use PSP to print them. I
resize them cutting out all the black that is around the image. I
don't like wasting all that black ink when I print them. It can get
to be expensive when you save and print a lot of the images.

JIC no one has mentioned it to you yet or that someone else hasn't heard
(g)

JPG is a "lossy" format. Each time you open it and resave it you may
expect to lose some detail/sharpness. How much you lose depends on
settings in your computer and/or software; as a rule, I think it's
something like 10% loss for each save? (Someone correct that if it's
generically wrong... My computer is set to save for quality so I lose
much less than 10%.)

Is there a place on the computer can you make that setting, or do you have
to make adjustments in the software you use to store images? I use
ThumbsPlus. I'm sure I'm set at a default, whatever that is.

Bruce

Bruce

The setting for quality would be on your software ... not the computer

itself. At least as far as I know! And that leaves this discussion. But
in my image software programs you go into preferences and/or options and
choose the higher quality settings as your default.
Good luck,
Nancy

singhals

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av singhals » 12 jan 2005 03:18:56

Bruce Remick wrote:
"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
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Marge wrote:



I should mention that when I save them I use PSP to print them. I
resize them cutting out all the black that is around the image. I
don't like wasting all that black ink when I print them. It can get
to be expensive when you save and print a lot of the images.

JIC no one has mentioned it to you yet or that someone else hasn't heard

(g)

JPG is a "lossy" format. Each time you open it and resave it you may
expect to lose some detail/sharpness. How much you lose depends on
settings in your computer and/or software; as a rule, I think it's
something like 10% loss for each save? (Someone correct that if it's
generically wrong... My computer is set to save for quality so I lose
much less than 10%.)


Is there a place on the computer can you make that setting, or do you have
to make adjustments in the software you use to store images? I use
ThumbsPlus. I'm sure I'm set at a default, whatever that is.

I did something from the control-panel on the WIn98 box -- it was
considered a "hack"; THEN I did something else in the software settings,
which isn't a "hack". (g) Mind, now, this was 5 or 6 years back and
three image-wares ago!

When I can, I prefer saving in bmp or tiff; I use jpg mostly for on-line
images intended for viewing purposes.

Cheryl

singhals

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av singhals » 12 jan 2005 03:21:30

Ennc wrote:

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
news:U5WdncUDarrMSn7cRVn-3w@rcn.net...

Marge wrote:



I should mention that when I save them I use PSP to print them. I
resize them cutting out all the black that is around the image. I
don't like wasting all that black ink when I print them. It can get
to be expensive when you save and print a lot of the images.

JIC no one has mentioned it to you yet or that someone else hasn't heard

(g)

JPG is a "lossy" format. Each time you open it and resave it you may
expect to lose some detail/sharpness. How much you lose depends on
settings in your computer and/or software; as a rule, I think it's
something like 10% loss for each save? (Someone correct that if it's
generically wrong... My computer is set to save for quality so I lose
much less than 10%.)

You might also note that on many of the Ancestry image pages, in the
right hand column is an icon that says "quality" with a blue arrow
pointing either up or down. If it's pointing up, there is a better
quality image available so click the icon to get it and print that.

Cheryl


Hi Cheryl,

I did not know what that "lossy" meant when it came up in my software.
Thanks for educating me. Will the same loss ocurr in a .gif format? Or a
.bmp?

No. Only in jpg/jpeg



I have been saving all my old photos in .jpg and now should change
them over to something more stable. Also will look for the higher quality

TIFF is the preferred archival format; I prefer bmps for editing because
I can use PAINT (g) on 'em.

blue arrow but am on the fly right now. Will be back this afternoon.

Not all the census years have it, but when it's there, it's nice to have.

Cheryl

Looby Loo

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Looby Loo » 12 jan 2005 15:06:36

Click on the save button, when the page is open, right click on the
image itself, you can then save the full image in the folder of you
choice.
Looby Loo

singhals

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av singhals » 12 jan 2005 15:25:11

singhals wrote:

Ennc wrote:

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
news:U5WdncUDarrMSn7cRVn-3w@rcn.net...

Marge wrote:



I should mention that when I save them I use PSP to print them. I
resize them cutting out all the black that is around the image. I
don't like wasting all that black ink when I print them. It can get
to be expensive when you save and print a lot of the images.


JIC no one has mentioned it to you yet or that someone else hasn't heard


(g)

JPG is a "lossy" format. Each time you open it and resave it you may
expect to lose some detail/sharpness. How much you lose depends on
settings in your computer and/or software; as a rule, I think it's
something like 10% loss for each save? (Someone correct that if it's
generically wrong... My computer is set to save for quality so I lose
much less than 10%.)

You might also note that on many of the Ancestry image pages, in the
right hand column is an icon that says "quality" with a blue arrow
pointing either up or down. If it's pointing up, there is a better
quality image available so click the icon to get it and print that.

Cheryl


Hi Cheryl,

I did not know what that "lossy" meant when it came up in my software.
Thanks for educating me. Will the same loss ocurr in a .gif format?
Or a
.bmp?


No. Only in jpg/jpeg



I have been saving all my old photos in .jpg and now should change
them over to something more stable. Also will look for the higher
quality


TIFF is the preferred archival format; I prefer bmps for editing because
I can use PAINT (g) on 'em.

blue arrow but am on the fly right now. Will be back this afternoon.


Not all the census years have it, but when it's there, it's nice to have.

Cheryl



Someone e-mailed me to point out that once the loss has occurred (i.e.,
you've saved, opened, re-saved your jpg) changing the image format won't
recover the loss. This is certainly true. Regrettable, but true.

Cheryl

Ennc

Re: ancestry census images

Legg inn av Ennc » 12 jan 2005 18:10:39

Thanks, Cheryl. This is somewhat disheartening since I have a cazillion (g)
prints saved in .jpg format, including the ones I take on my digital camera.
Lesson well learned.
BTW I love to "paint" some of mine as well. We can do our own brush work
.... take out some of those teenagers' zits, etc. <lol>
Nancy
"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
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singhals wrote:

Ennc wrote:

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
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Marge wrote:



I should mention that when I save them I use PSP to print them. I
resize them cutting out all the black that is around the image. I
don't like wasting all that black ink when I print them. It can get
to be expensive when you save and print a lot of the images.


JIC no one has mentioned it to you yet or that someone else hasn't
heard


(g)

JPG is a "lossy" format. Each time you open it and resave it you may
expect to lose some detail/sharpness. How much you lose depends on
settings in your computer and/or software; as a rule, I think it's
something like 10% loss for each save? (Someone correct that if it's
generically wrong... My computer is set to save for quality so I lose
much less than 10%.)

You might also note that on many of the Ancestry image pages, in the
right hand column is an icon that says "quality" with a blue arrow
pointing either up or down. If it's pointing up, there is a better
quality image available so click the icon to get it and print that.

Cheryl


Hi Cheryl,

I did not know what that "lossy" meant when it came up in my software.
Thanks for educating me. Will the same loss ocurr in a .gif format?
Or a
.bmp?


No. Only in jpg/jpeg



I have been saving all my old photos in .jpg and now should change
them over to something more stable. Also will look for the higher
quality


TIFF is the preferred archival format; I prefer bmps for editing because
I can use PAINT (g) on 'em.

blue arrow but am on the fly right now. Will be back this afternoon.


Not all the census years have it, but when it's there, it's nice to
have.

Cheryl



Someone e-mailed me to point out that once the loss has occurred (i.e.,
you've saved, opened, re-saved your jpg) changing the image format won't
recover the loss. This is certainly true. Regrettable, but true.

Cheryl

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