How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

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confusedplzhlp

How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av confusedplzhlp » 04 jan 2005 22:08:19

I'm hoping someone can help me find out if I am actually related to him or
not. According to my mother he is either my 3rd or 4th cousin. Do those
"Cousins" actually exist? How can I find out? Please help, I have no
clue.

Charani

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Charani » 04 jan 2005 22:15:52

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:08:19 -0500, confusedplzhlp wrote:

I'm hoping someone can help me find out if I am actually related to him or
not. According to my mother he is either my 3rd or 4th cousin. Do those
"Cousins" actually exist? How can I find out? Please help, I have no
clue.

Yes, they do exist so, yes, you would be related to him.

You might find these sites helpful in understanding the more extended
relationships:

http://www.genealogy.com/16_cousn.html

http://www.obliquity.com/family/misc/cousin.html

CWatters

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av CWatters » 04 jan 2005 22:18:46

"confusedplzhlp" <confusedplzhlp@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I'm hoping someone can help me find out if I am actually related to him or
not. According to my mother he is either my 3rd or 4th cousin. Do those
"Cousins" actually exist? How can I find out? Please help, I have no
clue.

Yes they exist. I've just discovered a 3rd Cousin. Confirmed by following
our family tree up to a common ancestor.

David J Grimshaw

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av David J Grimshaw » 04 jan 2005 23:13:25

confusedplzhlp wrote:
I'm hoping someone can help me find out if I am actually related to him or
not. According to my mother he is either my 3rd or 4th cousin. Do those
"Cousins" actually exist? How can I find out? Please help, I have no
clue.

Hi,

3rd or 4th cousins do exist.
Ask your mother what she knows, ask her how this person is related.
Ask your grand parents on the side of the family concerned if they are
living.
If you are both interested in the family why not sit down and compare
notes, of course you will need to have done some research on your family.
Write it all down in a book, A4 size is good or better still tape record
the person ask about their child hood the conditions that they grew up
in, family stories.
Ask if there is a family bible.
The family bible may have family history in it.

Old Proverb;
Ask and thou shall receive.

David

Ennc

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Ennc » 05 jan 2005 00:06:47

By the way, 2nd cousins have one set of the same gr grandparents, 3rd
cousins would have the same gr gr grandparents, etc. so if you come across a
common ancestor you are indeed cousins.
Nancy
"David J Grimshaw" <Grimason_nz@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
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confusedplzhlp wrote:
I'm hoping someone can help me find out if I am actually related to him
or
not. According to my mother he is either my 3rd or 4th cousin. Do
those
"Cousins" actually exist? How can I find out? Please help, I have no
clue.

Hi,
3rd or 4th cousins do exist.
Ask your mother what she knows, ask her how this person is related.
Ask your grand parents on the side of the family concerned if they are
living.
If you are both interested in the family why not sit down and compare
notes, of course you will need to have done some research on your family.
Write it all down in a book, A4 size is good or better still tape record
the person ask about their child hood the conditions that they grew up
in, family stories.
Ask if there is a family bible.
The family bible may have family history in it.

Old Proverb;
Ask and thou shall receive.

David

James A. Doemer

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 05 jan 2005 00:06:47

"confusedplzhlp" <confusedplzhlp@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I'm hoping someone can help me find out if I am actually related to him or
not. According to my mother he is either my 3rd or 4th cousin. Do those
"Cousins" actually exist? How can I find out? Please help, I have no
clue.


Other than a DNA test all you really have is the word of your family
members, and whatever documentation you have. Such documents aren't going
to mention if they are your 4th cousin, or whatever.

Steve Hayes

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 05 jan 2005 06:26:13

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:08:19 -0500, "confusedplzhlp"
<confusedplzhlp@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:

I'm hoping someone can help me find out if I am actually related to him or
not. According to my mother he is either my 3rd or 4th cousin. Do those
"Cousins" actually exist? How can I find out? Please help, I have no
clue.

If either of you is adopted, you are not "blood related".

Trace your ancestry and the other person's ancestry back until you find a
common ancestor.

If you share a common pair of grandparents, you are first cousins.

If you share a common pair of great grandparents you are second cousins.

If you share a common pair of great great grandparents, you are third cousins,
and so on.






--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr.

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr. » 05 jan 2005 19:46:38

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:08:19 -0500, "confusedplzhlp"
<confusedplzhlp@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:

I'm hoping someone can help me find out if I am actually related to him or
not. According to my mother he is either my 3rd or 4th cousin. Do those
"Cousins" actually exist? How can I find out? Please help, I have no
clue.

http://www.familytreedna.com/

Found a new grandfather and scuds of distant and not so distant
relations through the services of these people. I must say it is not
cheap. The sample taking doesn't involve taking blood or anything
like that. It involves only the scrubbing of the insides of the
cheeks of the mouth with what looks like a small toothbrush. Being
careful not to taint the sample, you put the toothbrush in a sterile
container and mailer and return it to the lab. If both you and your
possible cousin do this, it would be possible to determine if you are
related. There may be other DNA services available and I, for one,
would be interested in hearing about them. As far as, familytreedna
goes it helps if you and your cousin are males because of the
y-chromosome though female comparisons can be made. I am sure that
someone with more knowledge of DNA and genetics could explain it
better than I.


Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr.
Lubbock, Texas
rkinserlow at cox dot net
homepage: http://www.members.cox.net/rkinserlow
webmaster: http://www.d16acbl.org/U197/index.html

Ron Thomas

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Ron Thomas » 06 jan 2005 15:03:11

Taking this one step further:

If either you or your 4th cousin, or a member of the preceding
generations back to your common ancestors is/was a step-child who
became family by marriage, there's the chance you may not be blood
related.

Man, am I running into the 'step' issue more and more! "Yes,child,
you're family, but........."
If either of you is adopted, you are not "blood related".



Ron Thomas
Estes Park

Charani

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Charani » 06 jan 2005 15:53:22

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:03:11 -0700, Ron Thomas wrote:


Man, am I running into the 'step' issue more and more! "Yes,child,
you're family, but........."

It'll get worse in future with the number of remarriages there are
now.

Of my 5 children, 3 of them are stepchildren and one of those three
has vanished without obvious trace.

Gordon

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Gordon » 06 jan 2005 16:05:54

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:03:11 -0700, Ron Thomas <> wrote:

Taking this one step further:

If either you or your 4th cousin, or a member of the preceding
generations back to your common ancestors is/was a step-child who
became family by marriage, there's the chance you may not be blood
related.

Man, am I running into the 'step' issue more and more! "Yes,child,
you're family, but........."

If either of you is adopted, you are not "blood related".



Ron Thomas
Estes Park
My family has run into a related problem. Several of us males had

our Y-Line DNA analyzed, and we all checked out the same. We
found other families with the same haplotype numbers but
different surnames. In one specific family we suspect that a
baby, born with our surname, was orphaned and raised by his
mother's sister, and grew up using this sister's husband's
surname.

Lesley Robertson

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 06 jan 2005 16:26:09

"Gordon" <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote in message
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My family has run into a related problem. Several of us males had
our Y-Line DNA analyzed, and we all checked out the same. We
found other families with the same haplotype numbers but
different surnames. In one specific family we suspect that a
baby, born with our surname, was orphaned and raised by his
mother's sister, and grew up using this sister's husband's
surname.

It's also possible that you have another common male ancestor further back.
Y chromosome analysis only tells you there's a common male on your direct
male line, not who he was. You can't exclude that possibility unless you've
had the brother in law's line checked as well. The common ancestor could be
100 or more years ago.
Lesley Robertson

Gordon

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Gordon » 06 jan 2005 18:03:47

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:26:09 +0100, "Lesley Robertson"
<l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:

"Gordon" <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote in message
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My family has run into a related problem. Several of us males had
our Y-Line DNA analyzed, and we all checked out the same. We
found other families with the same haplotype numbers but
different surnames. In one specific family we suspect that a
baby, born with our surname, was orphaned and raised by his
mother's sister, and grew up using this sister's husband's
surname.

It's also possible that you have another common male ancestor further back.
Y chromosome analysis only tells you there's a common male on your direct
male line, not who he was. You can't exclude that possibility unless you've
had the brother in law's line checked as well. The common ancestor could be
100 or more years ago.
Lesley Robertson

This seems to be the case with three of the families that have

the same Y-Line DNA haplotype numbers, but the one I mentioned
above is a bit more closely involved. Succeeding generations of
the two families lived close together near Reading, PA,
Winchester, VA and Corydon, IN. It seems that there was some
family relationship, since my g g grandfather actually lived on
and owned the land and water wheel mill that the other family
originally owned, in southern Indiana.

Gjest

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Gjest » 06 jan 2005 21:22:07

It'll get worse in future with the number of
remarriages there are now.

Uh, I don't know about that. My grandfather (b.1872, d. 1947) was
married 4 times and had children by 3 wives. First 3 wives died. Oh,
yes. Let's not forget that child, born before he married the first time,
with still _another_ mother.

Wife #3 was my grandmother (b. 1881, d. 1914) and she was married 3
times, had children by all three husbands. Husband #1 died. #2 was a
divorce and she died in marriage #3 when my father was a year old.

My father being the youngest child in the bunch, had 3 whole siblings,
half-siblings on each side who were also half-siblings to each other, in
addition to being step-siblings to the other side of the family.

I don't know that that was terribly unusual for the times, (well, maybe
for women) particularly for men to remarry soon after a wife's death
when there were young children to be cared for.

When I run my kinship report, I've got all of these half-aunts and
half-uncles. I don't recall it mentioning half-cousins, but guess I've
got those too. Hmmm, so Harold is my half-first cousin, once removed.
Wow.

tootncmon

Gjest

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Gjest » 06 jan 2005 21:36:33

Theoretically, shouldn't the Y-chromosome matches have the same surname?
Or am I confused?

So, if different surnames have the same Y-chromosome, it means that
someone, somewhere, at some time, used/took/acquired a surname other
than it "should" have been by blood?

Do I have this straight?

Charani

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Charani » 06 jan 2005 21:53:42

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:22:07 -0800, tootncmon@webtv.net wrote:

Uh, I don't know about that. My grandfather (b.1872, d. 1947) was
married 4 times and had children by 3 wives. First 3 wives died. Oh,
yes. Let's not forget that child, born before he married the first time,
with still _another_ mother.

Wife #3 was my grandmother (b. 1881, d. 1914) and she was married 3
times, had children by all three husbands. Husband #1 died. #2 was a
divorce and she died in marriage #3 when my father was a year old.

My father being the youngest child in the bunch, had 3 whole siblings,
half-siblings on each side who were also half-siblings to each other, in
addition to being step-siblings to the other side of the family.

I don't know that that was terribly unusual for the times, (well, maybe
for women) particularly for men to remarry soon after a wife's death
when there were young children to be cared for.

When I run my kinship report, I've got all of these half-aunts and
half-uncles. I don't recall it mentioning half-cousins, but guess I've
got those too. Hmmm, so Harold is my half-first cousin, once removed.
Wow.

Good point


I've got several double marriages and three triple marriages. There
were children off of most of the double marriages (so plenty of half
siblings) but of the three triple marriages, there were no children
off of one set of three, another set of three produced a total of 4
children (all half siblings) and the third set produced 5 children (3
step all of whom are half siblings to each other *and* with a bundle
of other half and step siblings of their own, and 2 full bloods)

It gets very complicated after a while doesn't it?? :))

Lesley Robertson

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 06 jan 2005 21:56:05

"Charani" <me@privacy.net> schreef in bericht
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It gets very complicated after a while doesn't it?? :))

Yup.
On my afrikaaner side, I descend from all 3 marriages of one late
17th/early 18th century lady. High death rate, high remarriage rate, smal
immgrant group and shortage of women.
Lesley Robertson

Charani

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Charani » 06 jan 2005 22:08:39

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:56:05 +0100, Lesley Robertson wrote:


Yup.
On my afrikaaner side, I descend from all 3 marriages of one late
17th/early 18th century lady. High death rate, high remarriage rate, smal
immgrant group and shortage of women.

It must be fun trying to show that on a family tree.

Dave Hinz

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 06 jan 2005 22:21:21

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:08:39 +0000, Charani <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:56:05 +0100, Lesley Robertson wrote:


Yup.
On my afrikaaner side, I descend from all 3 marriages of one late
17th/early 18th century lady. High death rate, high remarriage rate, smal
immgrant group and shortage of women.

It must be fun trying to show that on a family tree.

Lots of twisting, dotted lines.

Charani

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Charani » 06 jan 2005 22:29:47

On 6 Jan 2005 21:21:21 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:08:39 +0000, Charani <me@privacy.net> wrote:

It must be fun trying to show that on a family tree.

Lots of twisting, dotted lines.

I think it would drive me dotty!!

The worst I have is where a widowed mother and her adult dau married
two first cousins once removed.

Gordon

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Gordon » 06 jan 2005 22:51:48

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:36:33 -0800, tootncmon@webtv.net wrote:

Theoretically, shouldn't the Y-chromosome matches have the same surname?
Or am I confused?

So, if different surnames have the same Y-chromosome, it means that
someone, somewhere, at some time, used/took/acquired a surname other
than it "should" have been by blood?

Do I have this straight?

The Y-Line DNA goes back to well before the use of surnames

became standard practice. My Norwegian haplotype numbers suggest
that my lineage may have been the offspring of a Viking who came
to Germany. This same Viking, and many of his paternal cousins
seem to have produced offspring in numerous places. Rarely do any
of these now share the same surname.

mickg

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av mickg » 06 jan 2005 23:07:49

tootncmon@webtv.net wrote:
Theoretically, shouldn't the Y-chromosome matches have the same surname?
Or am I confused?

So, if different surnames have the same Y-chromosome, it means that
someone, somewhere, at some time, used/took/acquired a surname other
than it "should" have been by blood?

Do I have this straight?


Nope, an Uncle of mine's father was born to a single girl with no
indication of the father's identity so he has his mother's surname. As I
understand it he would have had the Y chromosome of the biologic father
and not that of others of the same name.

MickG

Ron Thomas

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Ron Thomas » 07 jan 2005 14:01:55

Here's my own similar tale:

Due to the circumstance of at least three instances of cousins
marrying cousins in the past, we have some very complicated
relationships within the family.

John Wheeler (1694-1725/26) married his 2nd cousin Elizabeth Burr
(1701/02-1769). (7th g-grandparents - Thomas side)
Ebenezer Bronson (1688-1768) married his 1st cousin Susanna Langton
(1696-1775). (5th g-grandparents - Bronson side)
My g-g-g-grandparents Harvey Bronson (1774-1848) and Fanny Munson
(1780-1826) were 5th cousins via their Baldwin ancestors
and 3rd cousins once removed via their Plumb ancestors.

So because of these marriages, my father Gordon Elliott Thomas Sr. is
also all the following:

My 7th cousin once removed, 7th cousin twice removed, 8th cousin, 9th
cousin once removed, 9th cousin twice removed,
10th cousin, and 10th cousin once removed!!

Ron Thomas
Estes Park
It gets very complicated after a while doesn't it?? :))

Yup.
On my afrikaaner side, I descend from all 3 marriages of one late
17th/early 18th century lady. High death rate, high remarriage rate, smal
immgrant group and shortage of women.
Lesley Robertson


Lesley Robertson

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 07 jan 2005 19:39:11

"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> schreef in bericht
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:08:39 +0000, Charani <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:56:05 +0100, Lesley Robertson wrote:


Yup.
On my afrikaaner side, I descend from all 3 marriages of one late
17th/early 18th century lady. High death rate, high remarriage rate,
smal
immgrant group and shortage of women.

It must be fun trying to show that on a family tree.

Lots of twisting, dotted lines.

If you join the SA list, they don't discuss whether you're related, but how

many times.....
Lesley Robertson

Gjest

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 jan 2005 23:33:18

Gotcha. Thanks.

tootncmon

Gjest

Re: How do I know if someone is Blood Related?

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 jan 2005 23:57:38

Yeah, but. The situation with your uncle's father would fall into the
category of "someone, somewhere, at some time, took a surname other than
that of the blood line" for whatever reason. In the case you quoted, an
unknown (unstated anyway) paternal line.

I think the other response re going back in time before surnames is more
responsive to what I was overlooking. Down through time, as people took
surnames, related people took different surnames but carried the same
Y-chromosome. The relationship got lost over the generations and the
different surname would only add to that. I can see that happening.

I have people in my data (a community tree, not jusy my family) with the
_same_ surname, part of a relatively small, stable population, who
insist "Oh, no. We're not kin to them. That's a different set of
MITCHELLs, SEAWOODs, etc." It's really just _as far as they know_, "it's
a different set."

tootncmon

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