NY/VT Borders

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Bob Melson

NY/VT Borders

Legg inn av Bob Melson » 20 des 2004 08:20:00

Wonder if anybody can scratch this itch for me.

My maternal great grandfather is shown variously as having been born abt
1850 in Vermont or New York. The only consistency is his probable year of
birth. This is all fine, as far as it goes, but I got to wondering when
the state boundaries between NY and VT were finally settled and what
portions of the states were swapped. Since all I have at the moment are
census records, it'd help greatly in tracing him if I could narrow the
geographic search to a few counties in NY and/or VT.

Anybody have any info that might remedy my geographic and historic
ignorance?

Thanks,

Bob Melson


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Marge

Re: NY/VT Borders

Legg inn av Marge » 20 des 2004 13:41:02

This site may help. It is the county formations for Vermont for many years.

http://www.negenealogy.com/vt/vt_maps/vt_cf.htm

Marge

"Bob Melson" <melsonr@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Wonder if anybody can scratch this itch for me.

My maternal great grandfather is shown variously as having been born abt
1850 in Vermont or New York. The only consistency is his probable year of
birth. This is all fine, as far as it goes, but I got to wondering when
the state boundaries between NY and VT were finally settled and what
portions of the states were swapped. Since all I have at the moment are
census records, it'd help greatly in tracing him if I could narrow the
geographic search to a few counties in NY and/or VT.

Anybody have any info that might remedy my geographic and historic
ignorance?

Thanks,

Bob Melson


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Robert G. Melson | Nothing is more terrible than
Rio Grande MicroSolutions | ignorance in action.
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Joe Makowiec

Re: NY/VT Borders

Legg inn av Joe Makowiec » 20 des 2004 13:59:17

On 20 Dec 2004 in soc.genealogy.misc, Bob Melson wrote:

My maternal great grandfather is shown variously as having been born
abt 1850 in Vermont or New York. The only consistency is his
probable year of birth. This is all fine, as far as it goes, but I
got to wondering when the state boundaries between NY and VT were
finally settled and what portions of the states were swapped. Since
all I have at the moment are census records, it'd help greatly in
tracing him if I could narrow the geographic search to a few
counties in NY and/or VT.

Anybody have any info that might remedy my geographic and historic
ignorance?

The New York counties which border Vermont are Rensselaer, Washington,
Essex and Clinton, although there's no land border in Clinton, and just a
little in Essex.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/county.htm

On the Vermont side, the counties are Bennington, Rutland, Addison,
Chittenden and Grand Isle, although again I don't know of a land border
in Chittenden and Grand Isle.

http://home.att.net/~Local_History/VT_History.htm

Certainly the border between New York and Vermont was well-established by
1800 - one source I saw said it was surveyed in 1790.

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Bob Melson

Re: NY/VT Borders

Legg inn av Bob Melson » 20 des 2004 19:22:40

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:59:17 +0000, Joe Makowiec wrote:

<snip>
The New York counties which border Vermont are Rensselaer, Washington,
Essex and Clinton, although there's no land border in Clinton, and just a
little in Essex.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/county.htm

On the Vermont side, the counties are Bennington, Rutland, Addison,
Chittenden and Grand Isle, although again I don't know of a land border
in Chittenden and Grand Isle.

http://home.att.net/~Local_History/VT_History.htm

Certainly the border between New York and Vermont was well-established by
1800 - one source I saw said it was surveyed in 1790.

Thank you, Joe. And thanks, also, to Marge.

Bob

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Ellen

Re: NY/VT Borders

Legg inn av Ellen » 21 des 2004 00:20:31

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Bob Melson wrote:
* On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:59:17 +0000, Joe Makowiec wrote:
*
* <snip>
* > The New York counties which border Vermont are Rensselaer, Washington,
* > Essex and Clinton, although there's no land border in Clinton, and just a
* > little in Essex.
* >
* > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/county.htm
* >
* > On the Vermont side, the counties are Bennington, Rutland, Addison,
* > Chittenden and Grand Isle, although again I don't know of a land border
* > in Chittenden and Grand Isle.
* >
* > http://home.att.net/~Local_History/VT_History.htm
* >
* > Certainly the border between New York and Vermont was well-established by
* > 1800 - one source I saw said it was surveyed in 1790.
*
* Thank you, Joe. And thanks, also, to Marge.
*
* Bob
*

While Vermont applied for statehood to the Continental Congress in 1776,
the negotiations took many years. Congress turned down Vermont in 1781. NY
finally accepted the loss of territory in 1790, on paper. Vermont became a
state in 1791. While most folks knew pretty much where the boundaries
were by then, the actual map survey was not finished for nearly 20 more
years.

The following site actually lists the names of the surveyors who
surveyed/mapped final boundary line in 1812.

http://www.hopefarm.com/vermont.htm

"The boundary line between New York and Vermont was run by Robert Yates,
Robert R. Livingston, John Lansing, Jr., Julian C. Verplanck, Simeon
deWitt, Egbert Benson, Richard Sill and Melancthon Smith, on the part of
New York, and Isaac Tichenor, Stephen R. Bradley, Nathaniel Chipman,
Elijah Paine, Ira Allen, Stephen Jacob, and Israel Smith, on the part of
Vermont. The final line was established on June 8, 1812."

Elly

Bob Melson

Re: NY/VT Borders

Legg inn av Bob Melson » 21 des 2004 00:37:55

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:20:31 -0800, Ellen wrote:

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Bob Melson wrote:
snip


While Vermont applied for statehood to the Continental Congress in 1776,
the negotiations took many years. Congress turned down Vermont in 1781. NY
finally accepted the loss of territory in 1790, on paper. Vermont became a
state in 1791. While most folks knew pretty much where the boundaries
were by then, the actual map survey was not finished for nearly 20 more
years.

The following site actually lists the names of the surveyors who
surveyed/mapped final boundary line in 1812.

http://www.hopefarm.com/vermont.htm

"The boundary line between New York and Vermont was run by Robert Yates,
Robert R. Livingston, John Lansing, Jr., Julian C. Verplanck, Simeon
deWitt, Egbert Benson, Richard Sill and Melancthon Smith, on the part of
New York, and Isaac Tichenor, Stephen R. Bradley, Nathaniel Chipman,
Elijah Paine, Ira Allen, Stephen Jacob, and Israel Smith, on the part of
Vermont. The final line was established on June 8, 1812."

Elly

Thank you, Elly.

I know it looks (correctly, I'm afraid!) that I haven't begun to do my
homework here. What I know about the individual state histories of those
"blue states" could easily be written on the inside cover of a matchbook
with a dull crayon. It begins to look as though my ggf's kids and wife
were unsure just where he was from -- they all cite NY, while he, for the
1880 census, reported VT. Since he was born abt 1850, I think it's safe
to assume that the state borders between NY and VT had been pretty much
set in concrete by then.

Thanks to you and to the others who have responded so helpfully. I very
much appreciate it all.

Bob


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Bill O'Donnell

Re: NY/VT Borders

Legg inn av Bill O'Donnell » 21 des 2004 00:45:51

The borders were pretty porous in my experience, people living on one side
but being married in another because it was the closest church--Bennington,
Hoosick and such places. Bill O'Donnell

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