Christmas vs "Holidays"

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YD

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av YD » 17 des 2004 15:51:01

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:27:02 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:31:07 -0500, jsmith wrote:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1217/p09s01-coop.htm

They let Atheists write for the Christian Science Monitor?

Cool!

Happy Solstice!
Rich


Very cool article. At last someone has the courage to show some sense
in public.

- YD.

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Kevin Aylward

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Kevin Aylward » 17 des 2004 16:52:32

John Woodgate wrote:
I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote (in
X7Bwd.738$Qo4.124@fe1.news.bluey onder.co.uk>) about 'Christmas vs
"Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:

So, Paul (if he existed) died, and no one
noticed.

There IS reliable independent evidence that Paul existed.

Maybe, but anything in the Babble should be taken as false until proven
beyond reasonable doubt. Frankly, this aint goanna happen.

The Babble is simply something that ignorant peasants made up as they
went along. It has no value other than showing just how many people can
be so stupid as to believe in complete and utter gibberish.

Kevin Aylward
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Rich The Philosophizer

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Rich The Philosophizer » 17 des 2004 17:56:18

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:04:13 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:19:48 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote (in
Lugwd.24124$A6.8479@fe2.news.blu eyonder.co.uk>) about 'Christmas
vs "Holidays"', on Thu, 16 Dec 2004:

Well, something needs to start it, but not sure if it was down to
one identifiable man, but one man often gets the credit.

I think you can't start a *religion* without a charismatic leader.

Often the ideas are all
there and just come into focus.

That is relevant. The Messiah thing is down to Isaiah, I suppose, but
some of Jesus' teaching, such as about a merciful rather than a
vengeful god, is said to be rather more than hinted at in the
writings of the minor prophets. I find them too boring to study.

If you really want to "study," I'd really like to find somebody who's
got the cojones to go to http://www.godchannel.com and actually
_read_ the damn thing, and debunk it!


Its already been debunked. http://www.evilbible.com

So. Contempt prior to investigation. Why does this not surprise me?

Here's what Spirit has to say about the Bible:

"As I have said, I am an evolving God creating and participating in an
evolving Creation. I have always formed my messages to be understood by
those to whom they were delivered, in the times they were received. I
have employed various means in different times to get my messages to
you, just as I am now using this 'channel'."

In other words, it's obsolete.

I knew you weren't man enough to even go look at the page. You're
terrified to look, aren't you? That's OK, God loves your terror.

Bless you,
Rich

John Woodgate

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av John Woodgate » 17 des 2004 17:58:52

I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward
<salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote (in <4hDwd.1425$Qo4.633@fe1.news.blue
yonder.co.uk>) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:

The Babble is simply something that ignorant peasants made up as they
went along. It has no value other than showing just how many people can
be so stupid as to believe in complete and utter gibberish.

It's not as bad as that. It's a *scrapbook'. It includes poems, songs,
war reports, genealogical tables, myths and legends, laws and legal
interpretations, medical texts (CPR is in there, and no-one believed it
for about 3000 years!), philosophy, theology ... and gibberish. You have
to sort out which category the bit you are dealing with falls into.
--
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Rich The Philosophizer

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Rich The Philosophizer » 17 des 2004 18:03:17

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:04:13 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:19:48 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote (in
Lugwd.24124$A6.8479@fe2.news.blu eyonder.co.uk>) about 'Christmas
vs "Holidays"', on Thu, 16 Dec 2004:

Well, something needs to start it, but not sure if it was down to
one identifiable man, but one man often gets the credit.

I think you can't start a *religion* without a charismatic leader.

Often the ideas are all
there and just come into focus.

That is relevant. The Messiah thing is down to Isaiah, I suppose, but
some of Jesus' teaching, such as about a merciful rather than a
vengeful god, is said to be rather more than hinted at in the
writings of the minor prophets. I find them too boring to study.

If you really want to "study," I'd really like to find somebody who's
got the cojones to go to http://www.godchannel.com and actually
_read_ the damn thing, and debunk it!


Its already been debunked. http://www.evilbible.com


Here, Kevin. Maybe this will help:
"The superiority imprint is activated in those who believe they are
right, are on the right side in a battle, have just cause in attacking
another, are in some way 'better' than another, wanting something
another has, or are feeling like they need to win or be first. This
imprint is the deep unconscious driving force under all feelings of
competition, and in every use of weapons, including self defense. The
need to be right and the need to be superior are very deeply ingrained
in the spirit essence of all beings because of this imprint."

Mother Loves you.

Cheers!
Rich

Jonathan Kirwan

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Jonathan Kirwan » 17 des 2004 18:03:40

On 17 Dec 2004 02:25:02 -0800, roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Jonathan Kirwan wrote:
On 16 Dec 2004 06:23:31 -0800, roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

That can't be right. That's 100AD. But a piece of John -- the last
written -- exists ca. 125AD. It can't really be a bit of the
original,
or even a close copy: it was probably written around 90AD at the
latest.

No, John was written between about 125AD and 150AD. Pretty much all
serious
scholarly analysis places it about there.

You'd better let Bruce Metzger know. His "Text of the New Testament"
-- the standard undergraduate handbook -- says different. The date you
give has been impossible since 1936.

His real name is George Collord and he's a key part of the United Bible Society,
I hope you know. He is knowledgeable, but he does NOT represent the consensus
of (by comparison, unbiased) secular scholarly analysis. The dates I got are
from at least three different modern references I have near my desk. I do not
consider this reference of yours to challenge my dates.

The other gospels can't sensibly be dated much later than
70AD, particularly Luke-Acts which ends before Christianity becomes
illegal and Paul killed. Yet Luke records that loads of people have
already written about Jesus, even then.

Actually, Mark is placed at about 75AD and Luke and Matthew are
placed at
somewhere from 85AD to 95AD, roughly speaking. John is much later.

Luke cannot be sensibly dated later than about 64AD. It doesn't
mention Paul's death, you see.

That's a silly way of dating Luke. It's not comprehensive in the least.

The earliest fragments we have of any of these is dated to the 2nd
century AD
and is held at the library of Magdalen College in Oxford as three
papyrus
fragments from the 26th chapter of Matthew and having partial lines
from about
ten scattered verses.

The Magdalen fragments are neither here nor there, but P52 (John, ca.
125AD) is earlier.

Reference?

Jon

Rich The Philosophizer

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Rich The Philosophizer » 17 des 2004 18:04:15

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:26:15 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Luke cannot be sensibly dated later than about 64AD. It doesn't
mention Paul's death, you see.

So what. This is faulty logic. So, Paul (if he existed) died, and no one
noticed. Most/All of the Babble is pure nonsense, so the lack of certain
information in it means diddly squat.

And this Truth was revealed to you how, exactly?

Thanks,
Rich

Jonathan Kirwan

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Jonathan Kirwan » 17 des 2004 18:15:18

On 17 Dec 2004 02:25:02 -0800, roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

The Magdalen fragments are neither here nor there, but P52 (John, ca.
125AD) is earlier.

I should elaborate. I said that John was somewhere from 125AD to 150AD and your
suggestion that P52 is 125AD (yes, I've seen that elsewhere) does not
contradict. While I've seen precise dates like 125AD mentioned for P52, I don't
find any of the arguments for such an exact dating persuasive. Can you say
which various techniques and arguments arise to place it quite so precisely, to
the year, with satisfaction?

Jon

None

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av None » 17 des 2004 18:22:08

And if I trim this header just so, we may eliminate some crossposting


"Jonathan Kirwan" <jkirwan@easystreet.com> wrote in message
news:6j46s0d6059n05ro66ngt95mhpi8rargcu@4ax.com...
On 17 Dec 2004 02:25:02 -0800, roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

The Magdalen fragments are neither here nor there, but P52 (John, ca.
125AD) is earlier.

I should elaborate. I said that John was somewhere from 125AD to 150AD
and your
suggestion that P52 is 125AD (yes, I've seen that elsewhere) does not
contradict. While I've seen precise dates like 125AD mentioned for P52, I
don't
find any of the arguments for such an exact dating persuasive. Can you
say
which various techniques and arguments arise to place it quite so
precisely, to
the year, with satisfaction?

Jon

Kurt F

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Kurt F » 17 des 2004 19:02:10

"None" <.> wrote in message news:10s65e5qk35ug16@corp.supernews.com...
And if I trim this header just so, we may eliminate some crossposting

Could you please trim away this group as well...
The thread has nothing to do with genealogy.

Merry Christmas
Kurt F

Kevin Aylward

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Kevin Aylward » 17 des 2004 19:10:15

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:26:15 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Luke cannot be sensibly dated later than about 64AD. It doesn't
mention Paul's death, you see.

So what. This is faulty logic. So, Paul (if he existed) died, and no
one noticed. Most/All of the Babble is pure nonsense, so the lack of
certain information in it means diddly squat.

And this Truth was revealed to you how, exactly?


Pretty simple. Its full of demonstrable blatant contradictions, so this
view is not debateable. In science, when when get contradictions, we
declare the thing to be false. e.g. http://www.evilbible.com.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

None

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av None » 17 des 2004 19:28:52

"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:biFwd.2299$Qo4.555@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:26:15 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Luke cannot be sensibly dated later than about 64AD. It doesn't
mention Paul's death, you see.

So what. This is faulty logic. So, Paul (if he existed) died, and no
one noticed. Most/All of the Babble is pure nonsense, so the lack of
certain information in it means diddly squat.

And this Truth was revealed to you how, exactly?


Pretty simple. Its full of demonstrable blatant contradictions, so this
view is not debateable. In science, when when get contradictions, we
declare the thing to be false. e.g. http://www.evilbible.com.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.


awnospamj@ev1.net

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av awnospamj@ev1.net » 17 des 2004 19:55:04

"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:biFwd.2299$Qo4.555@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:26:15 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Pretty simple. Its full of demonstrable blatant contradictions, so this
view is not debateable. In science, when when get contradictions, we
declare the thing to be false. e.g. http://www.evilbible.com.

Well, I know now you can not be a scientist, because the ones I know say

that if they get solutions that are contradictory, they first check the
input for errors and then rerun the program. Contradictions are NOT proof
of falsehood, they only speak to the need for further research. IF all
scientists had the view that you have we would NOT be able to communicate
this way and bumble bees would not fly.

A. W.

Nicholas O. Lindan

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Nicholas O. Lindan » 17 des 2004 20:15:16

"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote
In science, when we

Who's this 'we'?

get contradictions, we declare the thing to be false.

Well, there goes cosmology, quantum most-everything-you-can
think-of-and-many-things-you-can't, strings, knots, colored
ribbon, economics, the weather and women's fashions, not to
mention women in general.

"Then he took his contradictions out
And he splashed them on my brow
So which words was I then to doubt
When choosing what to vow
Should I choose them all-should I make them mine
The sermons, the hymns and the valentines
And he asked for truth and he asked for time
And he asked for only now
Now the trials are trumpet scored
Oh will we pass the test
Or just as one loves more and more
Will one love less and less
Oh come let's run from this ring we're in
Where the Christians clap and the Germans grin
Saying let them lose, crying let them win
Oh make them both confess" -- Joni Mitchell

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com

John Woodgate

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av John Woodgate » 17 des 2004 20:26:11

I read in sci.electronics.design that awnospamj@ev1.net
<figment@ev1.net> wrote (in <10s6asam5570n9a@corp.supernews.com>) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:
"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:biFwd.2299$Qo4.555@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:26:15 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Pretty simple. Its full of demonstrable blatant contradictions, so this
view is not debateable. In science, when when get contradictions, we
declare the thing to be false. e.g. http://www.evilbible.com.

Well, I know now you can not be a scientist, because the ones I know say
that if they get solutions that are contradictory, they first check the
input for errors and then rerun the program.

OK, re-run at least the last 7000 years and **take better notes*** this
time!

Contradictions are NOT proof
of falsehood, they only speak to the need for further research.

You are taking a very narrow semantic view. Kevin means that if your
hypothesis results in contradictions, it is false. That is good science.

If experiments, NOT undertaken to support or challenge a hypothesis,
result in contradictions, then, yes, more experiments are indicated. And
MORE GRANT MONEY!!!!!!!! (;-)

IF all
scientists had the view that you have we would NOT be able to communicate
this way and bumble bees would not fly.

Pardon? Whatever scientists might say, bumble bees DO fly.

--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

John Woodgate

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av John Woodgate » 17 des 2004 20:29:01

I read in sci.electronics.design that Nicholas O. Lindan <see@sig.com>
wrote (in <8fGwd.2399$Z47.2174@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:

"Then he took his contradictions out
And he splashed them on my brow
So which words was I then to doubt
When choosing what to vow
Should I choose them all-should I make them mine
The sermons, the hymns and the valentines
And he asked for truth and he asked for time
And he asked for only now
Now the trials are trumpet scored
Oh will we pass the test
Or just as one loves more and more
Will one love less and less
Oh come let's run from this ring we're in
Where the Christians clap and the Germans grin
Saying let them lose, crying let them win
Oh make them both confess" -- Joni Mitchell

Is that from one of the gibberish passages in the Bible? Looks like one
of the inferior psalms.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Gjest

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Gjest » 17 des 2004 20:45:35

I want Kwanzaa as a paid holiday(s).... December 26 - Jan 1. Now THAT
rocks!

RedsLady

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av RedsLady » 17 des 2004 20:48:44

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:10:15 GMT, "Kevin Aylward"
<salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

Pretty simple. Its full of demonstrable blatant contradictions, so this
view is not debateable. In science, when when get contradictions, we
declare the thing to be false. e.g. http://www.evilbible.com.

For a self proclaimed scientist your logic is faulty. Absence of
evidence is not evidence of absence. Statements like yours above are
indications your conclusions are agenda driven, not truth driven.

R/
RL

Bob Stephens

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Bob Stephens » 17 des 2004 20:52:10

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:29:01 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Nicholas O. Lindan <see@sig.com
wrote (in <8fGwd.2399$Z47.2174@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:

"Then he took his contradictions out
And he splashed them on my brow
So which words was I then to doubt
When choosing what to vow
Should I choose them all-should I make them mine
The sermons, the hymns and the valentines
And he asked for truth and he asked for time
And he asked for only now
Now the trials are trumpet scored
Oh will we pass the test
Or just as one loves more and more
Will one love less and less
Oh come let's run from this ring we're in
Where the Christians clap and the Germans grin
Saying let them lose, crying let them win
Oh make them both confess" -- Joni Mitchell

Is that from one of the gibberish passages in the Bible? Looks like one
of the inferior psalms.

Yea verily. From the book of Joni who also begat:

"It's coming on Christmas
They're cutting down the trees
They're putting up reindeer
Singing songs of joy and peace.
I wish I had a river I could skate away on..."

awnospamj@ev1.net

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av awnospamj@ev1.net » 17 des 2004 22:42:01

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:jQBdi7GTLzwBFwrc@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that awnospamj@ev1.net
figment@ev1.net> wrote (in <10s6asam5570n9a@corp.supernews.com>) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:


OK, re-run at least the last 7000 years and **take better notes*** this
time!

Contradictions are NOT proof
of falsehood, they only speak to the need for further research.

You are taking a very narrow semantic view. Kevin means that if your
hypothesis results in contradictions, it is false. That is good science.
Wrong, good sir, that is closing the mind to possibilities, and THAT, good

sir, is very bad science.
If experiments, NOT undertaken to support or challenge a hypothesis,
result in contradictions, then, yes, more experiments are indicated. And
MORE GRANT MONEY!!!!!!!! (;-)

IF all
scientists had the view that you have we would NOT be able to communicate
this way and bumble bees would not fly.

Pardon? Whatever scientists might say, bumble bees DO fly.

YES, they do but, good sir, they are a CONTRADICTION to all that is known to
science....they should, by their very design, not fly. They are not
areodynamicly sound.

A,. W.

Jim Thompson

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Jim Thompson » 17 des 2004 23:01:12

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:42:01 -0600, "awnospamj@ev1.net"
<figment@ev1.net> wrote:

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:jQBdi7GTLzwBFwrc@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
[snip]

Pardon? Whatever scientists might say, bumble bees DO fly.

YES, they do but, good sir, they are a CONTRADICTION to all that is known to
science....they should, by their very design, not fly. They are not
areodynamicly sound.

A,. W.


"They are not areodynamicly sound." Ignoring the misspelling that is
still a dumb-ass statement. If the bee flies it IS aerodynamically
sound! We "scientists" are just too ignorant of the laws of
aerodynamics to understand HOW.

...Jim Thompson
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Spehro Pefhany

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Spehro Pefhany » 17 des 2004 23:02:19

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:42:01 -0600, the renowned "awnospamj@ev1.net"
<figment@ev1.net> wrote:

YES, they do but, good sir, they are a CONTRADICTION to all that is known to
science....they should, by their very design, not fly. They are not
areodynamicly sound.

A,. W.

Nonsense. Of course if your model dates from the 1930s and was
intended to model fixed-wing aircraft you might have problems matching
reality.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_045.html
http://www.iop.org/news/0012i.1


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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John Woodgate

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av John Woodgate » 17 des 2004 23:27:32

I read in sci.electronics.design that awnospamj@ev1.net
<figment@ev1.net> wrote (in <10s6kleous7t3e8@corp.supernews.com>) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:
YES, they do but, good sir, they are a CONTRADICTION to all that is
known to science....they should, by their very design, not fly. They
are not areodynamicly sound.

Oh, dear. If your knowledge of science stopped in 1944, I see no point
in a discussion.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

John Woodgate

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av John Woodgate » 17 des 2004 23:30:15

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <odl6s01pd7m8kbnqe2hfeue4as6o1es1d8@
4ax.com>) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:

"They are not areodynamicly sound." Ignoring the misspelling that is
still a dumb-ass statement. If the bee flies it IS aerodynamically
sound! We "scientists" are just too ignorant of the laws of
aerodynamics to understand HOW.

Bumble-bee flight has been understood for about 40 years. The earlier
paper that described it as impossible used an inadequate model, a
problem that you may be familiar with!

But models of flight are **difficult**. There has been a significant
recent development in the model of bird flight.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

James A. Doemer

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 17 des 2004 23:31:48

"f/f george" <george@yourplace.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:31:04 GMT, "James A. Doemer"
jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote:


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John Woodgate wrote:

So, how come the salvation army bell ringers are not
ringing the bell at Target stores and the local post
office this year?

Health and safety at work? I bet the sound levels at
the ringers' ears are way over the OSHA limits (;-)

It's more likely the threat of litigation from other competing
charities that banned the bell ringers.

In a statement on its Web site, Target said it banned the bell ringers
because not doing so would open the door to the growing number of other
nonprofits that want to solicit its shoppers.

But so what? Target is a private corporation owned by the stockholders.
They don't have to cave into pressure from competing charities. Maybe
it's just a PR thing, and they think sales will be better if they ban
the salvation army?

-Bill


I'm personally happy to see them gone. In years past, they would stand
to
the side of the doors and ring there bells, there would be one of them.
In
recent years they've gotten much bolder, and are right in front of the
doors
which means you have to walk around them, and there are two, sometimes
three
of them. They've simply become a nusiance in my opinion.

I agree that when they get bothersome they are a pain, BUT when they
are out of the way, I do not mind them. I even give what I can, when I
can. Those that are in the way always get nothing, those that are
"next" to the door, I contribute to.


Agreed. I don't mind the ones that aren't so "in your face", and will
usually give what I can.

James A. Doemer

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 17 des 2004 23:32:19

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:oswf9fCVJuwBFw48@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote (in <X7Bwd.738$Qo4.124@fe1.news.bluey
onder.co.uk>) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:

So, Paul (if he existed) died, and no one
noticed.

There IS reliable independent evidence that Paul existed.

Such as?

James A. Doemer

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 17 des 2004 23:37:49

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:jQBdi7GTLzwBFwrc@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that awnospamj@ev1.net
figment@ev1.net> wrote (in <10s6asam5570n9a@corp.supernews.com>) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:

"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:biFwd.2299$Qo4.555@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:26:15 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Pretty simple. Its full of demonstrable blatant contradictions, so this
view is not debateable. In science, when when get contradictions, we
declare the thing to be false. e.g. http://www.evilbible.com.

Well, I know now you can not be a scientist, because the ones I know say
that if they get solutions that are contradictory, they first check the
input for errors and then rerun the program.

OK, re-run at least the last 7000 years and **take better notes*** this
time!


Well, we did take notes the first time... Unfortunately, the notes were
subject to cultural, societal, and technological peceptions of the time they
were taken. The notes were also subject to religious, political, and
individual distortions due to bias. If we did re-run the last 7,000 years,
and let ten people take notes, no single set of notes is likely to match the
next.

Rich Grise

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Rich Grise » 18 des 2004 02:31:22

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:30:15 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <odl6s01pd7m8kbnqe2hfeue4as6o1es1d8@
4ax.com>) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:

"They are not areodynamicly sound." Ignoring the misspelling that is
still a dumb-ass statement. If the bee flies it IS aerodynamically
sound! We "scientists" are just too ignorant of the laws of
aerodynamics to understand HOW.

Bumble-bee flight has been understood for about 40 years. The earlier
paper that described it as impossible used an inadequate model, a
problem that you may be familiar with!

But models of flight are **difficult**. There has been a significant
recent development in the model of bird flight.

Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

Thanks,
Rich

awnospamj@ev1.net

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av awnospamj@ev1.net » 18 des 2004 02:47:12

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:odl6s01pd7m8kbnqe2hfeue4as6o1es1d8@4ax.com...
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:42:01 -0600, "awnospamj@ev1.net"
figment@ev1.net> wrote:


"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:jQBdi7GTLzwBFwrc@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
[snip]

Pardon? Whatever scientists might say, bumble bees DO fly.

YES, they do but, good sir, they are a CONTRADICTION to all that is known
to
science....they should, by their very design, not fly. They are not
areodynamicly sound.

A,. W.


"They are not areodynamicly sound." Ignoring the misspelling that is
still a dumb-ass statement. If the bee flies it IS aerodynamically
sound! We "scientists" are just too ignorant of the laws of
aerodynamics to understand HOW.

...Jim Thompson
Big whoop I misspelled a bloody word

A. W.
--
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 03:12:42

"Rich Grise" <rich@example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.12.18.00.43.15.204048@example.net...
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:30:15 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:


Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

Thanks,
Rich

Yes, it has been determined to be a last-second barel roll.

Jim Thompson

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Jim Thompson » 18 des 2004 03:14:28

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:31:22 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:30:15 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <odl6s01pd7m8kbnqe2hfeue4as6o1es1d8@
4ax.com>) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:

"They are not areodynamicly sound." Ignoring the misspelling that is
still a dumb-ass statement. If the bee flies it IS aerodynamically
sound! We "scientists" are just too ignorant of the laws of
aerodynamics to understand HOW.

Bumble-bee flight has been understood for about 40 years. The earlier
paper that described it as impossible used an inadequate model, a
problem that you may be familiar with!

But models of flight are **difficult**. There has been a significant
recent development in the model of bird flight.

Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

Thanks,
Rich


I think it's barrel roll.

I have determined, by experiment, that a fly CAN NOT take off while
rubbing the fore-legs together. Thus I wait, with a swatter, for the
leg rubbing, then SLAM ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

pfriedmanNoSpam

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av pfriedmanNoSpam » 18 des 2004 03:53:33

"Rich Grise" <rich@example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.12.18.00.43.15.204048@example.net...
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:30:15 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:


Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

Thanks,
Rich



Yes, it's been determined. Christian flies do it one way, Muslims another,
Buddhist yet another.

Paul

RedsLady

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av RedsLady » 18 des 2004 04:53:46

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:14:28 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

I have determined, by experiment, that a fly CAN NOT take off while
rubbing the fore-legs together. Thus I wait, with a swatter, for the
leg rubbing, then SLAM ;-)

I read somewhere that houseflies ALWAYS take off backwards. Sorta
the same way lobsters scoot away. That may explain your observation
since the fly must use it's forelegs to launch itself in a reverse
direction.

R/
RL

Rich Grise

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Rich Grise » 18 des 2004 07:24:24

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:14:28 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:31:22 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
....
Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

Thanks,
Rich


I think it's barrel roll.

I have determined, by experiment, that a fly CAN NOT take off while
rubbing the fore-legs together. Thus I wait, with a swatter, for the
leg rubbing, then SLAM ;-)


Thanks for this (and the other respondents), but as far as watching for
them rubbing their front legs together, I haven't tried that. My
experience has been that they're telepathic, i.e., they know I'm about to
swat them, and take off milliseconds before the rolled-up magazine gets
there.

<maudlin crying-drunk crap>
Did you ever catch one alive in your bare hand when you were a
spring chicken? I have, but then have never been able to figure out what
to do to them, since I'm an empath, and pulling their wings off hurts
them, much like sticking a fishhook through a worm hurts them.

And I'll never forget the time my big brother pulled the hook out of a
bass. He didn't unhook it, just ripped it out. Or the time the neighbor
kid caught a grasshopper and pulled its head off. I guess I'm just
squeamish.
</maudlin crying-drunk crap>

Thanks,
Rich

John Woodgate

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av John Woodgate » 18 des 2004 07:45:56

I read in sci.electronics.design that James A. Doemer
<jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote (in <T7Jwd.2151$9j5.1546@newsread3.news
..pas.earthlink.net>) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec
2004:
"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:oswf9fCVJuwBFw48@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote (in <X7Bwd.738$Qo4.124@fe1.news.bluey
onder.co.uk>) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:

So, Paul (if he existed) died, and no one
noticed.

There IS reliable independent evidence that Paul existed.

Such as?


Go look. I don't have to spoon-feed you with information.

--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

John Woodgate

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av John Woodgate » 18 des 2004 07:47:03

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <rich@example.net>
wrote (in <pan.2004.12.18.00.43.15.204048@example.net>) about 'Christmas
vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:

Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

A barrel-roll, IIRC. This was discovered about 20 years ago, I think.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Kevin Aylward

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Kevin Aylward » 18 des 2004 08:55:45

awnospamj@ev1.net wrote:
"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:biFwd.2299$Qo4.555@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:26:15 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Pretty simple. Its full of demonstrable blatant contradictions, so
this view is not debateable. In science, when when get
contradictions, we declare the thing to be false. e.g.
http://www.evilbible.com.
Well, I know now you can not be a scientist,

oh?

because the ones I know
say that if they get solutions that are contradictory, they first
check the input for errors and then rerun the program.

I didn't claim that *only* when a *solution* is *apparently*
contradictory that the thing is false. I said when we get
contradictions. This implicitly implies that there exists a *verifiable*
contradiction at the deepest level.

Of course, it is trivially obvious that the contradiction must be real.
i.e. the equipment and all that stuff is verified, so why should this be
stated?

Contradictions are NOT proof of falsehood, they only speak to the
need for further research.

If a contradiction is real, it is indeed proof of a falsehood. Your
arguing about whether or not the contraction is real or not. This is
assumed to be the case from the outset. If the contradiction is not
real, then we don't have a contradiction. Dah...

IF all scientists had the view that you
have we would NOT be able to communicate this way and bumble bees
would not fly.

Unfortunately you don't understand the views of scientists, or science.
Your certainly way out of date on the theory of bumble bee flight.


Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

Geoff Pearson

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Geoff Pearson » 18 des 2004 09:57:04

"jsmith" <juddo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:1103081068.f4c58340a6a4fb6c079c5594718575bc@sonicnews...
The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ. Isn't it
time
we begin boycotting those merchants who in their TV advertising are
exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not acknowledging that this is
truly
the Christmas season. The code word "holiday" season is coming into
increasing use in an effort to minimize the influence the Truths that were
taught by the Prince of Peace.



but holiday just means holy day so that is no better for us evangelical
atheists.

Pig Bladder

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Pig Bladder » 18 des 2004 10:37:28

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 07:55:45 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

awnospamj@ev1.net wrote:
"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:biFwd.2299$Qo4.555@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:26:15 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Pretty simple. Its full of demonstrable blatant contradictions, so
this view is not debateable. In science, when when get
contradictions, we declare the thing to be false. e.g.
http://www.evilbible.com.
Well, I know now you can not be a scientist,

oh?

because the ones I know
say that if they get solutions that are contradictory, they first
check the input for errors and then rerun the program.

I didn't claim that *only* when a *solution* is *apparently*
contradictory that the thing is false. I said when we get
contradictions. This implicitly implies that there exists a *verifiable*
contradiction at the deepest level.

Aylward, your "deepest level" hasn't even scratched the surface of Reality.

You think you exist, because you only think. You are in deep, deep, denial.

This is a verifiable, scientifically, incontrovertibly proven fact.
--
The Pig Bladder From Uranus, still waiting for
some hot babe to ask what my favorite planet is.

Clarence

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Clarence » 18 des 2004 10:45:52

"Geoff Pearson" <gspearson1647@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:32i9n3F3lah48U1@individual.net...
"jsmith" <juddo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:1103081068.f4c58340a6a4fb6c079c5594718575bc@sonicnews...
The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ. Isn't it
time
we begin boycotting those merchants who in their TV advertising are
exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not acknowledging that this is
truly
the Christmas season. The code word "holiday" season is coming into
increasing use in an effort to minimize the influence the Truths that were
taught by the Prince of Peace.



but holiday just means holy day so that is no better for us evangelical
atheists.


NOTE most common use is the first definition.

hol·i·day ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hl-d)
n.
1. A day free from work that one may spend at leisure, especially a day on
which custom or the law dictates a halting of general business activity to
commemorate or celebrate a particular event.

2. A religious feast day; a holy day.

3. Chiefly British. A vacation. Often used in the phrase on holiday.
intr.v. Chiefly British holi·dayed, holi·day·ing, holi·days
To pass a holiday or vacation.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
[Middle English holidai, holy day, from Old English hlig dæg : hlig, holy; see
holy + dæg, day; see day.]
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Rich Grise

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Rich Grise » 18 des 2004 10:48:42

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:47:03 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <rich@example.net
wrote (in <pan.2004.12.18.00.43.15.204048@example.net>) about 'Christmas
vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:

Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

A barrel-roll, IIRC. This was discovered about 20 years ago, I think.

Thanks for this. Somehow, I had got the weird idea that they reach up
above their head with their front feet, grab the ceiling, and just sort of
swing their butt up like some kind of Olympic athlete on the uneven bars
doing a loop-de-loop or something.

So, are there clockwise-rolling flies and counterclockwise-rolling flies,
like there are right-handed and left-handed people? (and practically
everything else, for that matter, even Moties?)

Thanks again!
Rich

James A. Doemer

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 18 des 2004 10:50:22

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:Wvcg9gBkI9wBFwuD@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that James A. Doemer
jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote (in <T7Jwd.2151$9j5.1546@newsread3.news
.pas.earthlink.net>) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec
2004:

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:oswf9fCVJuwBFw48@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote (in
X7Bwd.738$Qo4.124@fe1.news.bluey
onder.co.uk>) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:

So, Paul (if he existed) died, and no one
noticed.

There IS reliable independent evidence that Paul existed.

Such as?


Go look. I don't have to spoon-feed you with information.

I see, so such "reliable information" doesn't exist despite your claim. So
noted.

John Woodgate

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av John Woodgate » 18 des 2004 11:49:44

I read in sci.electronics.design that roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote (in
<1103362371.997071.219840@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:

Not sure what you mean here: sorry. Perhaps I should explain what I
meant?

I know what you meant; I was applying 'relentless logic'. If a date of
writing is proven false, it was false from whenever it was stated, not
from when the falsity was discovered.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

John Woodgate

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av John Woodgate » 18 des 2004 11:51:29

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <rich@example.net>
wrote (in <pan.2004.12.18.09.00.40.834400@example.net>) about 'Christmas
vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:
(and
practically everything else, for that matter, even Moties?)

I don't recall any mention of enantiomorphism among Moties.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Kevin Aylward

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Kevin Aylward » 18 des 2004 11:59:31

Pig Bladder wrote:
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 07:55:45 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

awnospamj@ev1.net wrote:
"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:biFwd.2299$Qo4.555@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:26:15 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Pretty simple. Its full of demonstrable blatant contradictions, so
this view is not debateable. In science, when when get
contradictions, we declare the thing to be false. e.g.
http://www.evilbible.com.
Well, I know now you can not be a scientist,

oh?

because the ones I know
say that if they get solutions that are contradictory, they first
check the input for errors and then rerun the program.

I didn't claim that *only* when a *solution* is *apparently*
contradictory that the thing is false. I said when we get
contradictions. This implicitly implies that there exists a
*verifiable* contradiction at the deepest level.

Aylward, your "deepest level" hasn't even scratched the surface of
Reality.

You think you exist, because you only think. You are in deep, deep,
denial.

This is a verifiable, scientifically, incontrovertibly proven fact.

Meaningless gibberish.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

Fred Bloggs

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Fred Bloggs » 18 des 2004 17:06:34

TAKE YOUR FRIGGIN XTIAN XMAS AND GO STRAIGHT TO *HELL* WITH IT. AS FAR
AS I'M CONCERNED, YOUR GODDAM NATIVITY SCENES SHOULD ALL BE SMASHED.
TAKE *YOUR* ILLITERATE AND IGNORANT IDEA OF XIANITY AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR
ASS- YOU ARE HOPELESS MORON IN NEED OF A PSEUDO-PARENT AKA JC.

jsmith wrote:
> The secularists ... [SNIP GRABAGE]

Jim Thompson

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Jim Thompson » 18 des 2004 17:19:48

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:06:34 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

TAKE YOUR FRIGGIN XTIAN XMAS AND GO STRAIGHT TO *HELL* WITH IT. AS FAR
AS I'M CONCERNED, YOUR GODDAM NATIVITY SCENES SHOULD ALL BE SMASHED.
TAKE *YOUR* ILLITERATE AND IGNORANT IDEA OF XIANITY AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR
ASS- YOU ARE HOPELESS MORON IN NEED OF A PSEUDO-PARENT AKA JC.

jsmith wrote:
The secularists ... [SNIP GRABAGE]

Fred, No one gives a fillern what you think about anything other than
your technical contributions.

When you rant uncontrollably you turn everyone off for reading ANY of
your posts.

PLONK

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

John Larkin

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av John Larkin » 18 des 2004 17:31:25

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:06:34 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

TAKE YOUR FRIGGIN XTIAN XMAS AND GO STRAIGHT TO *HELL* WITH IT. AS FAR
AS I'M CONCERNED, YOUR GODDAM NATIVITY SCENES SHOULD ALL BE SMASHED.
TAKE *YOUR* ILLITERATE AND IGNORANT IDEA OF XIANITY AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR
ASS- YOU ARE HOPELESS MORON IN NEED OF A PSEUDO-PARENT AKA JC.


Hey, very nice caps.

John

keith

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av keith » 18 des 2004 18:06:44

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:24:24 +0000, Rich Grise wrote:

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:14:28 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:31:22 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
...
Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

Thanks,
Rich


I think it's barrel roll.

I have determined, by experiment, that a fly CAN NOT take off while
rubbing the fore-legs together. Thus I wait, with a swatter, for the
leg rubbing, then SLAM ;-)


Thanks for this (and the other respondents), but as far as watching for
them rubbing their front legs together, I haven't tried that. My
experience has been that they're telepathic, i.e., they know I'm about to
swat them, and take off milliseconds before the rolled-up magazine gets
there.

maudlin crying-drunk crap
Did you ever catch one alive in your bare hand when you were a

My cats have all been fly-catchers. One would leap 4' in the air and
catch them in its front paws, land, then eat. Once a fly got caught
down in the toe webbing and he couldn't get it out. It was buzzing like
hell and the cat was going *nuts* trying to get at it. Funny!

spring chicken? I have, but then have never been able to figure out what
to do to them, since I'm an empath, and pulling their wings off hurts
them, much like sticking a fishhook through a worm hurts them.

Ah, hell. Just pretend they're Iraqi worms and feed 'em to the fish.

And I'll never forget the time my big brother pulled the hook out of a
bass. He didn't unhook it, just ripped it out. Or the time the neighbor
kid caught a grasshopper and pulled its head off. I guess I'm just
squeamish.

Damned Iraqi fish!

BTW, ;-)

--
Keith

keith

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av keith » 18 des 2004 18:09:37

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:48:42 +0000, Rich Grise wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:47:03 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <rich@example.net
wrote (in <pan.2004.12.18.00.43.15.204048@example.net>) about 'Christmas
vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:

Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

A barrel-roll, IIRC. This was discovered about 20 years ago, I think.

Thanks for this. Somehow, I had got the weird idea that they reach up
above their head with their front feet, grab the ceiling, and just sort of
swing their butt up like some kind of Olympic athlete on the uneven bars
doing a loop-de-loop or something.

So, are there clockwise-rolling flies and counterclockwise-rolling flies,
like there are right-handed and left-handed people? (and practically
everything else, for that matter, even Moties?)

In the northern hemisphere they roll counter-clockwise. ...just
like they go down the toilet. Coriolis force, ya know. ;-)

--
Keith

Bryan

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Bryan » 18 des 2004 18:28:45

jsmith wrote:

The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ. Isn't it time
we begin boycotting those merchants who in their TV advertising are
exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not acknowledging that this is truly
the Christmas season. The code word "holiday" season is coming into
increasing use in an effort to minimize the influence the Truths that were
taught by the Prince of Peace.


You're such a dumbass! The use of the word holidays in lieu of

christmas is an effort to practice behavior that includes people instead
of excluding people.

There's nothing anti-christian about it and no one is attempting to
minimize the celebration of the meaning of christmas.

Bryan

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Bryan » 18 des 2004 18:31:21

A&T wrote:

We aren't sure when Christ was born, but we celebrate in on December 25.

I wish the people who still believe that Christ was born (whenever it was)
would revolt against the people trying to take it away from us.

Tricia

Once again, don't be such a dumbass. No one is trying to take christmas
away from anyone.

Bryan

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Bryan » 18 des 2004 18:35:05

wrongaddress@att.net wrote:

People always adopt local traditions, holidays and pagents
as their own. Get over it and enjoy the holidays


So, how come the salvation army bell ringers are not ringing the bell
at Target stores and the local post office this year?
.
How will we give to the poor if nobody is ringing the bell?

-Bill

There are hundreds of ways to give to the poor without handing pocket

change to bell ringers.

Personally, the bell ringers didn't bother me, but the stores can't say
no to the krishnas and yes to the bell ringers.

Bryan

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Bryan » 18 des 2004 18:36:20

Paul Burke wrote:

jsmith wrote:

The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a
number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??)
concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ.


Keep your sticky fingers off our Yule. We (humans) were celebrating the
Winter Solstice thousands of years before you traduced the teachings of
Bar Yussuf.

Might be the last one this time though. We can't find any virgins in the
village this year, so the sun might never come back...

Paul Burke

What a fun reply! Thanks.

Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:41:37

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"pfriedmanNoSpam" <p.paulfriedmanNoSpam@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Rich Grise" <rich@example.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:30:15 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:


Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

Thanks,
Rich



Yes, it's been determined. Christian flies do it one way, Muslims another,
Buddhist yet another.

Paul


Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:42:10

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"Rich Grise" <rich@example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.12.18.05.36.23.16358@example.net...
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:14:28 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:31:22 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
...
Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

Thanks,
Rich


I think it's barrel roll.

I have determined, by experiment, that a fly CAN NOT take off while
rubbing the fore-legs together. Thus I wait, with a swatter, for the
leg rubbing, then SLAM ;-)


Thanks for this (and the other respondents), but as far as watching for
them rubbing their front legs together, I haven't tried that. My
experience has been that they're telepathic, i.e., they know I'm about to
swat them, and take off milliseconds before the rolled-up magazine gets
there.

maudlin crying-drunk crap
Did you ever catch one alive in your bare hand when you were a
spring chicken? I have, but then have never been able to figure out what
to do to them, since I'm an empath, and pulling their wings off hurts
them, much like sticking a fishhook through a worm hurts them.

And I'll never forget the time my big brother pulled the hook out of a
bass. He didn't unhook it, just ripped it out. Or the time the neighbor
kid caught a grasshopper and pulled its head off. I guess I'm just
squeamish.
/maudlin crying-drunk crap

Thanks,
Rich

Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:42:35

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"keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.12.18.17.06.41.750171@att.bizzzz...
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:24:24 +0000, Rich Grise wrote:

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:14:28 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:31:22 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
...
Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

Thanks,
Rich


I think it's barrel roll.

I have determined, by experiment, that a fly CAN NOT take off while
rubbing the fore-legs together. Thus I wait, with a swatter, for the
leg rubbing, then SLAM ;-)


Thanks for this (and the other respondents), but as far as watching for
them rubbing their front legs together, I haven't tried that. My
experience has been that they're telepathic, i.e., they know I'm about
to
swat them, and take off milliseconds before the rolled-up magazine gets
there.

maudlin crying-drunk crap
Did you ever catch one alive in your bare hand when you were a

My cats have all been fly-catchers. One would leap 4' in the air and
catch them in its front paws, land, then eat. Once a fly got caught
down in the toe webbing and he couldn't get it out. It was buzzing like
hell and the cat was going *nuts* trying to get at it. Funny!

spring chicken? I have, but then have never been able to figure out what
to do to them, since I'm an empath, and pulling their wings off hurts
them, much like sticking a fishhook through a worm hurts them.

Ah, hell. Just pretend they're Iraqi worms and feed 'em to the fish.

And I'll never forget the time my big brother pulled the hook out of a
bass. He didn't unhook it, just ripped it out. Or the time the neighbor
kid caught a grasshopper and pulled its head off. I guess I'm just
squeamish.

Damned Iraqi fish!

BTW, ;-)

--
Keith


Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:43:10

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"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
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I read in sci.electronics.design that James A. Doemer
jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote (in <T7Jwd.2151$9j5.1546@newsread3.news
.pas.earthlink.net>) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec
2004:

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote (in
X7Bwd.738$Qo4.124@fe1.news.bluey
onder.co.uk>) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:

So, Paul (if he existed) died, and no one
noticed.

There IS reliable independent evidence that Paul existed.

Such as?


Go look. I don't have to spoon-feed you with information.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Clarence

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Clarence » 18 des 2004 18:43:26

"Bryan" <bryanNO459@NOpacbell.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:hNZwd.263$yV1.192@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
jsmith wrote:

The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ. Isn't it time
we begin boycotting those merchants who in their TV advertising are
exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not acknowledging that this is truly
the Christmas season. The code word "holiday" season is coming into
increasing use in an effort to minimize the influence the Truths that were
taught by the Prince of Peace.


You're such a dumbass! The use of the word holidays in lieu of
christmas is an effort to practice behavior that includes people instead
of excluding people.

There's nothing anti-christian about it and no one is attempting to
minimize the celebration of the meaning of christmas.

Which we all know is originally the celebration of the return of the Sun to the
Northern Hemisphere! Which is after all, what counts! Otherwise, no crops!

Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:43:34

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"James A. Doemer" <jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
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I read in sci.electronics.design that James A. Doemer
jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote (in <T7Jwd.2151$9j5.1546@newsread3.news
.pas.earthlink.net>) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec
2004:

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote (in
X7Bwd.738$Qo4.124@fe1.news.bluey
onder.co.uk>) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Fri, 17 Dec 2004:

So, Paul (if he existed) died, and no one
noticed.

There IS reliable independent evidence that Paul existed.

Such as?


Go look. I don't have to spoon-feed you with information.

I see, so such "reliable information" doesn't exist despite your claim.
So
noted.


Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:44:13

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"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:Uf8gxsBnJ9wBFwMQ@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <rich@example.net
wrote (in <pan.2004.12.18.00.43.15.204048@example.net>) about 'Christmas
vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:

Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

A barrel-roll, IIRC. This was discovered about 20 years ago, I think.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:44:48

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"Rich Grise" <rich@example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.12.18.09.00.40.834400@example.net...
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:47:03 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <rich@example.net
wrote (in <pan.2004.12.18.00.43.15.204048@example.net>) about 'Christmas
vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:

Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

A barrel-roll, IIRC. This was discovered about 20 years ago, I think.

Thanks for this. Somehow, I had got the weird idea that they reach up
above their head with their front feet, grab the ceiling, and just sort of
swing their butt up like some kind of Olympic athlete on the uneven bars
doing a loop-de-loop or something.

So, are there clockwise-rolling flies and counterclockwise-rolling flies,
like there are right-handed and left-handed people? (and practically
everything else, for that matter, even Moties?)

Thanks again!
Rich

Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:45:20

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"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:RCox2lDxuAxBFw1S@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <rich@example.net
wrote (in <pan.2004.12.18.09.00.40.834400@example.net>) about 'Christmas
vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:
(and
practically everything else, for that matter, even Moties?)

I don't recall any mention of enantiomorphism among Moties.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:45:54

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"keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.12.18.17.09.36.795351@att.bizzzz...
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:48:42 +0000, Rich Grise wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:47:03 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <rich@example.net
wrote (in <pan.2004.12.18.00.43.15.204048@example.net>) about
'Christmas
vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:

Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

A barrel-roll, IIRC. This was discovered about 20 years ago, I think.

Thanks for this. Somehow, I had got the weird idea that they reach up
above their head with their front feet, grab the ceiling, and just sort
of
swing their butt up like some kind of Olympic athlete on the uneven bars
doing a loop-de-loop or something.

So, are there clockwise-rolling flies and counterclockwise-rolling
flies,
like there are right-handed and left-handed people? (and practically
everything else, for that matter, even Moties?)

In the northern hemisphere they roll counter-clockwise. ...just
like they go down the toilet. Coriolis force, ya know. ;-)

--
Keith

Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:46:26

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"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
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awnospamj@ev1.net wrote:
"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:biFwd.2299$Qo4.555@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:26:15 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Pretty simple. Its full of demonstrable blatant contradictions, so
this view is not debateable. In science, when when get
contradictions, we declare the thing to be false. e.g.
http://www.evilbible.com.
Well, I know now you can not be a scientist,

oh?

because the ones I know
say that if they get solutions that are contradictory, they first
check the input for errors and then rerun the program.

I didn't claim that *only* when a *solution* is *apparently*
contradictory that the thing is false. I said when we get
contradictions. This implicitly implies that there exists a *verifiable*
contradiction at the deepest level.

Of course, it is trivially obvious that the contradiction must be real.
i.e. the equipment and all that stuff is verified, so why should this be
stated?

Contradictions are NOT proof of falsehood, they only speak to the
need for further research.

If a contradiction is real, it is indeed proof of a falsehood. Your
arguing about whether or not the contraction is real or not. This is
assumed to be the case from the outset. If the contradiction is not
real, then we don't have a contradiction. Dah...

IF all scientists had the view that you
have we would NOT be able to communicate this way and bumble bees
would not fly.

Unfortunately you don't understand the views of scientists, or science.
Your certainly way out of date on the theory of bumble bee flight.


Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.


Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:47:11

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"Pig Bladder" <pig_bladder@anyspammer.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.12.18.08.49.27.211291@anyspammer.org...
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 07:55:45 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

awnospamj@ev1.net wrote:
"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:biFwd.2299$Qo4.555@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:26:15 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Pretty simple. Its full of demonstrable blatant contradictions, so
this view is not debateable. In science, when when get
contradictions, we declare the thing to be false. e.g.
http://www.evilbible.com.
Well, I know now you can not be a scientist,

oh?

because the ones I know
say that if they get solutions that are contradictory, they first
check the input for errors and then rerun the program.

I didn't claim that *only* when a *solution* is *apparently*
contradictory that the thing is false. I said when we get
contradictions. This implicitly implies that there exists a *verifiable*
contradiction at the deepest level.

Aylward, your "deepest level" hasn't even scratched the surface of
Reality.

You think you exist, because you only think. You are in deep, deep,
denial.

This is a verifiable, scientifically, incontrovertibly proven fact.
--
The Pig Bladder From Uranus, still waiting for
some hot babe to ask what my favorite planet is.

Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:47:51

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"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
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Pig Bladder wrote:
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 07:55:45 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

awnospamj@ev1.net wrote:
"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:biFwd.2299$Qo4.555@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:26:15 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Pretty simple. Its full of demonstrable blatant contradictions, so
this view is not debateable. In science, when when get
contradictions, we declare the thing to be false. e.g.
http://www.evilbible.com.
Well, I know now you can not be a scientist,

oh?

because the ones I know
say that if they get solutions that are contradictory, they first
check the input for errors and then rerun the program.

I didn't claim that *only* when a *solution* is *apparently*
contradictory that the thing is false. I said when we get
contradictions. This implicitly implies that there exists a
*verifiable* contradiction at the deepest level.

Aylward, your "deepest level" hasn't even scratched the surface of
Reality.

You think you exist, because you only think. You are in deep, deep,
denial.

This is a verifiable, scientifically, incontrovertibly proven fact.

Meaningless gibberish.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.


Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:49:37

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"Geoff Pearson" <gspearson1647@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"jsmith" <juddo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:1103081068.f4c58340a6a4fb6c079c5594718575bc@sonicnews...
The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a
number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions
to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ. Isn't it
time
we begin boycotting those merchants who in their TV advertising are
exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not acknowledging that this is
truly
the Christmas season. The code word "holiday" season is coming into
increasing use in an effort to minimize the influence the Truths that
were
taught by the Prince of Peace.



but holiday just means holy day so that is no better for us evangelical
atheists.


Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

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"Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote in message
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"jsmith" <juddo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:1103081068.f4c58340a6a4fb6c079c5594718575bc@sonicnews...
The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a
number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??)
concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ. Isn't it
time
we begin boycotting those merchants who in their TV advertising are
exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not acknowledging that this is
truly
the Christmas season. The code word "holiday" season is coming into
increasing use in an effort to minimize the influence the Truths that
were
taught by the Prince of Peace.



but holiday just means holy day so that is no better for us evangelical
atheists.


NOTE most common use is the first definition.

hol·i·day ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hl-d)
n.
1. A day free from work that one may spend at leisure, especially a day on
which custom or the law dictates a halting of general business activity to
commemorate or celebrate a particular event.

2. A religious feast day; a holy day.

3. Chiefly British. A vacation. Often used in the phrase on holiday.
intr.v. Chiefly British holi·dayed, holi·day·ing, holi·days
To pass a holiday or vacation.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
[Middle English holidai, holy day, from Old English hlig dæg : hlig, holy;
see
holy + dæg, day; see day.]
---------------------------------------------------------------------


Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:51:25

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"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
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I read in sci.electronics.design that roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote (in
1103362371.997071.219840@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:

Not sure what you mean here: sorry. Perhaps I should explain what I
meant?

I know what you meant; I was applying 'relentless logic'. If a date of
writing is proven false, it was false from whenever it was stated, not
from when the falsity was discovered.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

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"Fred Bloggs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:41C45537.8050404@nospam.com...
TAKE YOUR FRIGGIN XTIAN XMAS AND GO STRAIGHT TO *HELL* WITH IT. AS FAR
AS I'M CONCERNED, YOUR GODDAM NATIVITY SCENES SHOULD ALL BE SMASHED.
TAKE *YOUR* ILLITERATE AND IGNORANT IDEA OF XIANITY AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR
ASS- YOU ARE HOPELESS MORON IN NEED OF A PSEUDO-PARENT AKA JC.

jsmith wrote:
The secularists ... [SNIP GRABAGE]

Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:52:58

Would you fuckheads stop crossposting to rec.travel.cruises?


"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:61m8s052mktvcig1nvu23cmmofq85lumpd@4ax.com...
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:06:34 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:

TAKE YOUR FRIGGIN XTIAN XMAS AND GO STRAIGHT TO *HELL* WITH IT. AS FAR
AS I'M CONCERNED, YOUR GODDAM NATIVITY SCENES SHOULD ALL BE SMASHED.
TAKE *YOUR* ILLITERATE AND IGNORANT IDEA OF XIANITY AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR
ASS- YOU ARE HOPELESS MORON IN NEED OF A PSEUDO-PARENT AKA JC.

jsmith wrote:
The secularists ... [SNIP GRABAGE]

Fred, No one gives a fillern what you think about anything other than
your technical contributions.

When you rant uncontrollably you turn everyone off for reading ANY of
your posts.

PLONK

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:53:31

Would you fuckheads stop crossposting to rec.travel.cruises?


"John Larkin" <john@spamless.usa> wrote in message
news:6qm8s098mfa8nmdi7mhcu2ii767gj06h1h@4ax.com...
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:06:34 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:

TAKE YOUR FRIGGIN XTIAN XMAS AND GO STRAIGHT TO *HELL* WITH IT. AS FAR
AS I'M CONCERNED, YOUR GODDAM NATIVITY SCENES SHOULD ALL BE SMASHED.
TAKE *YOUR* ILLITERATE AND IGNORANT IDEA OF XIANITY AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR
ASS- YOU ARE HOPELESS MORON IN NEED OF A PSEUDO-PARENT AKA JC.


Hey, very nice caps.

John


Bryan

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Bryan » 18 des 2004 18:53:33

Rich Grise wrote:
Xians don't seem to have any sacred dates of their own so they hijack
those of whatever pagans lands they invade.

Anyone would think that their most sacred time of year, when JC rose from
the dead, would not be named after the Goddess of fertility Oestre with
her symbols the egg and rabbit.


I don't see why not - it's about rebirth and all that.

What I don't get is why they call his execution day "Good" anything!

Cheers!
Rich


What I don't get is why us christians keep ranting that the jews killed

jesus and that it was a bad thing. After all, isn't it us christians
that are always explaining unfortunate events as god working in
mysterious ways. And how might history have been different if jesus
hadn't become a martyr through his death. He might not have gained the
power us christians gave him if he had just grown old and died a natural
death. Ultimately, if us christians are going to continue to rant that
the jews killed jesus, then the least we could do is be grateful;
without his death we have no martyr, no death for our sins, and no
resurrection. Woe be to me or to any other christian that believes god's
will was a bad thing.

Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:54:40

Would you fuckheads stop crossposting to rec.travel.cruises?


"Bryan" <bryanNO459@NOpacbell.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:hNZwd.263$yV1.192@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
jsmith wrote:

The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a
number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions
to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ. Isn't it
time
we begin boycotting those merchants who in their TV advertising are
exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not acknowledging that this is
truly
the Christmas season. The code word "holiday" season is coming into
increasing use in an effort to minimize the influence the Truths that
were
taught by the Prince of Peace.


You're such a dumbass! The use of the word holidays in lieu of
christmas is an effort to practice behavior that includes people instead
of excluding people.

There's nothing anti-christian about it and no one is attempting to
minimize the celebration of the meaning of christmas.


Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:55:46

Would you fuckheads stop crossposting to rec.travel.cruises?


"Bryan" <bryanNO459@NOpacbell.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:dTZwd.267$yV1.52@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
wrongaddress@att.net wrote:

People always adopt local traditions, holidays and pagents
as their own. Get over it and enjoy the holidays


So, how come the salvation army bell ringers are not ringing the bell
at Target stores and the local post office this year?
.
How will we give to the poor if nobody is ringing the bell?

-Bill

There are hundreds of ways to give to the poor without handing pocket
change to bell ringers.

Personally, the bell ringers didn't bother me, but the stores can't say
no to the krishnas and yes to the bell ringers.

Diane James

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Diane James » 18 des 2004 18:56:40

Would you fuckheads stop crossposting to rec.travel.cruises?


"Bryan" <bryanNO459@NOpacbell.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:oUZwd.268$yV1.185@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Paul Burke wrote:

jsmith wrote:

The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a
number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??)
concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ.


Keep your sticky fingers off our Yule. We (humans) were celebrating the
Winter Solstice thousands of years before you traduced the teachings of
Bar Yussuf.

Might be the last one this time though. We can't find any virgins in the
village this year, so the sun might never come back...

Paul Burke

What a fun reply! Thanks.

Mr.Extreme

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Mr.Extreme » 18 des 2004 19:00:10

STFU! TWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK

Diane James wrote:
Would you fuckheads stop crossposting to rec.travel.cruises?


"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:dSmySaDItAxBFwVG@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote (in
1103362371.997071.219840@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:


Not sure what you mean here: sorry. Perhaps I should explain what I
meant?

I know what you meant; I was applying 'relentless logic'. If a date of
writing is proven false, it was false from whenever it was stated, not
from when the falsity was discovered.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk



A&T

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av A&T » 18 des 2004 19:03:13

"Diane James" <^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^> wrote in message
news:10s8rotkkskqj79@corp.supernews.com...
Would you fuckheads stop crossposting to rec.travel.cruises?



And to alt.genealogy, please.

Tricia

A&T

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av A&T » 18 des 2004 19:06:23

Actually, if you believe that then you are the dumbass.

It is now a winter break, not Christmas vacation, there are no nativity
scenes in public places except for Church yards still brave enough to do it,
the greeting you hear in stores is happy holidays, not Merry Christmas.

I could go on but, you've probably stopped listening.

Tricia
"Bryan" <bryanNO459@NOpacbell.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:JPZwd.266$yV1.63@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
A&T wrote:

We aren't sure when Christ was born, but we celebrate in on December 25.

I wish the people who still believe that Christ was born (whenever it
was)
would revolt against the people trying to take it away from us.

Tricia

Once again, don't be such a dumbass. No one is trying to take christmas
away from anyone.

Bryan

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Bryan » 18 des 2004 19:41:33

A&T wrote:

Actually, if you believe that then you are the dumbass.

It is now a winter break, not Christmas vacation, there are no nativity
scenes in public places except for Church yards still brave enough to do it,
the greeting you hear in stores is happy holidays, not Merry Christmas.

I could go on but, you've probably stopped listening.

Tricia
"Bryan" <bryanNO459@NOpacbell.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:JPZwd.266$yV1.63@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

A&T wrote:


We aren't sure when Christ was born, but we celebrate in on December 25.

I wish the people who still believe that Christ was born (whenever it

was)

would revolt against the people trying to take it away from us.

Tricia

Once again, don't be such a dumbass. No one is trying to take christmas
away from anyone.




No, I'm still listening. It's kind of like driving by an accident, you

can't help but slow down and look.

You choose to see our religion as under attack. I choose to see
language like winter break and happy holidays as a positive effort to
include all religions and non-religions.

The absence of nativity scenes in church yards has nothing to do with
religion or with society trying to take christmas away from christians.
It has everything to do with vandalism and theft by people who have
nothing to do with any religious incentive.

Bottom line, the only people causing anyone any problems on a social
scale are evangelical christians (and as usual, this applies to the
self-serving myopic fanatics). My christianity is not for sale and not
to be used as a political weapon.

Happy Holidays to all and Merry Christmas to my fellow Christians.

Nicholas O. Lindan

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Nicholas O. Lindan » 18 des 2004 20:00:48

"Bryan" <bryanNO459@NOpacbell.invalid.net> wrote

I choose to see language like winter break and happy holidays
as a positive effort to include all religions and non-religions
[and rec.travel.cruises].

An object creates the meaning of a word. Changing the word does
not change the object.

You can't include everybody. You shouldn't even try.

Diversity means everyone's different and allowed to be that way.
Inclusion and conformity would have everyone shouting "Happy Holidays"
and waving their Visa cards on cue.

I wish to be who I am and not have my beliefs thrust into some
uniform mold to increase retail sales.

Happy Holidays to all and Merry Christmas to my fellow Christians.

Bah, Humbug!

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com
psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/

Pig Bladder

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Pig Bladder » 18 des 2004 21:44:05

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:06:34 +0000, Fred Bloggs wrote:

TAKE YOUR FRIGGIN XTIAN XMAS AND GO STRAIGHT TO *HELL* WITH IT. AS FAR
AS I'M CONCERNED, YOUR GODDAM NATIVITY SCENES SHOULD ALL BE SMASHED.
TAKE *YOUR* ILLITERATE AND IGNORANT IDEA OF XIANITY AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR
ASS- YOU ARE HOPELESS MORON IN NEED OF A PSEUDO-PARENT AKA JC.

jsmith wrote:
The secularists ... [SNIP GRABAGE]

Interestingly, God even loves _you_.

Merry Kwanzaa!
--
The Pig Bladder From Uranus, still waiting for
some hot babe to ask what my favorite planet is.

Rich The Philosophizer

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Rich The Philosophizer » 18 des 2004 21:49:32

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:53:33 +0000, Bryan wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:
Xians don't seem to have any sacred dates of their own so they hijack
those of whatever pagans lands they invade.

Anyone would think that their most sacred time of year, when JC rose from
the dead, would not be named after the Goddess of fertility Oestre with
her symbols the egg and rabbit.


I don't see why not - it's about rebirth and all that.

What I don't get is why they call his execution day "Good" anything!

Cheers!
Rich


What I don't get is why us christians keep ranting that the jews killed
jesus and that it was a bad thing. After all, isn't it us christians
that are always explaining unfortunate events as god working in
mysterious ways. And how might history have been different if jesus
hadn't become a martyr through his death. He might not have gained the
power us christians gave him if he had just grown old and died a natural
death. Ultimately, if us christians are going to continue to rant that
the jews killed jesus, then the least we could do is be grateful;
without his death we have no martyr, no death for our sins, and no
resurrection. Woe be to me or to any other christian that believes god's
will was a bad thing.

Maybe, but people sure do go into a tizzy when I say, "Free Will is God's
Will." The big bearded white guy in the sky ain't God.

Cheers!
Rich

Richard The Troll

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Richard The Troll » 18 des 2004 21:51:07

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:36:34 +0000, Paul Burke wrote:

jsmith wrote:
The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ.

Keep your sticky fingers off our Yule. We (humans) were celebrating the
Winter Solstice thousands of years before you traduced the teachings of
Bar Yussuf.

Traduce? Is that like promulgate?

Thanks,
Rich

Richard The Troll

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Richard The Troll » 18 des 2004 21:56:49

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:06:23 +0000, A&T wrote:

Actually, if you believe that then you are the dumbass.

It is now a winter break, not Christmas vacation, there are no nativity
scenes in public places except for Church yards still brave enough to do it,
the greeting you hear in stores is happy holidays, not Merry Christmas.

I could go on but, you've probably stopped listening.

Well, it takes one to know one.

There is nothing forbidding anyone from putting up nativity scenes except
the Constitution, which _only_ proscribes _government_ from endorsing any
religion. And only the federal government at that.

And really, if the Republic worked the way it was originally intended, it
would be a local issue anyway. What do I care if the citizens of Birdseed,
Kansas want to put some display up at their own town hall? But applying
anyone's personal standards to a whole f***ing country is way out of
bounds, as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks,
Rich

Rich Grise

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Rich Grise » 18 des 2004 22:03:16

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:51:29 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <rich@example.net
wrote (in <pan.2004.12.18.09.00.40.834400@example.net>) about 'Christmas
vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:
(and
practically everything else, for that matter, even Moties?)

I don't recall any mention of enantiomorphism among Moties.

Well, notwithstanding I've never heard the word, I do remember some
mention of handedness, to the degree that he mentioned that the proportion
of left-handed Moties was very close to the proportion of left-handed
humans.

And I could almost see the expression on the face of that one Motie when
our hero said, "On the other hand..."

But it's been a long time since I've read the story.

Thanks!
Rich

Richard The Troll

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Richard The Troll » 18 des 2004 22:04:45

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:06:44 -0500, keith wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:24:24 +0000, Rich Grise wrote:

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:14:28 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:31:22 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
...
Has anyone ever determined exactly how a common housefly lands on a
ceiling? Does he do a loop-the-loop, or a barrel roll?

Thanks,
Rich


I think it's barrel roll.

I have determined, by experiment, that a fly CAN NOT take off while
rubbing the fore-legs together. Thus I wait, with a swatter, for the
leg rubbing, then SLAM ;-)


Thanks for this (and the other respondents), but as far as watching for
them rubbing their front legs together, I haven't tried that. My
experience has been that they're telepathic, i.e., they know I'm about to
swat them, and take off milliseconds before the rolled-up magazine gets
there.

maudlin crying-drunk crap
Did you ever catch one alive in your bare hand when you were a

My cats have all been fly-catchers. One would leap 4' in the air and
catch them in its front paws, land, then eat. Once a fly got caught
down in the toe webbing and he couldn't get it out. It was buzzing like
hell and the cat was going *nuts* trying to get at it. Funny!

For hours of entertainment, just give a kitten a piece of scotch tape.


:-
Rich

James A. Doemer

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 18 des 2004 22:46:08

Bryan <bryanNO459@NOpacbell.invalid.net> wrote:
A&T wrote:

We aren't sure when Christ was born, but we celebrate in on December
25.

I wish the people who still believe that Christ was born (whenever
it was) would revolt against the people trying to take it away from
us.

Tricia

Once again, don't be such a dumbass. No one is trying to take
christmas away from anyone.

Indeed. Mostly we would be happy if the Christians would agree to "you
celibrate the holiday your way, and let us celibrate it our way" phylosophy.

James A. Doemer

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 18 des 2004 22:47:58

Nicholas O. Lindan <see@sig.com> wrote:
"Bryan" <bryanNO459@NOpacbell.invalid.net> wrote

I choose to see language like winter break and happy holidays
as a positive effort to include all religions and non-religions
[and rec.travel.cruises].

An object creates the meaning of a word. Changing the word does
not change the object.

You can't include everybody. You shouldn't even try.

Yes, you can. That is the whole point.

John Woodgate

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av John Woodgate » 18 des 2004 23:00:30

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <rich@example.net>
wrote (in <pan.2004.12.18.20.15.19.929133@example.net>) about 'Christmas
vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:

Well, notwithstanding I've never heard the word, I do remember some
mention of handedness, to the degree that he mentioned that the
proportion of left-handed Moties was very close to the proportion of
left-handed humans.

And I could almost see the expression on the face of that one Motie when
our hero said, "On the other hand..."

But it's been a long time since I've read the story.

Someone borrowed my copy of 'Mote' and I didn't get it back. I have
'Moat', but I don't think it's anywhere near as good a story.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

John Woodgate

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av John Woodgate » 18 des 2004 23:03:41

I read in sci.electronics.design that Richard The Troll
<rtt@example.net> wrote (in <pan.2004.12.18.20.03.08.826645@example.net>
) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:36:34 +0000, Paul Burke wrote:

jsmith wrote:
The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ.

Keep your sticky fingers off our Yule. We (humans) were celebrating the
Winter Solstice thousands of years before you traduced the teachings of
Bar Yussuf.

Traduce? Is that like promulgate?

More like calumniate. Or vilipend.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Becca

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Becca » 18 des 2004 23:12:35

Please stop posting this to rec.travel.cruises.

Becca


Bryan wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:

Xians don't seem to have any sacred dates of their own so they hijack
those of whatever pagans lands they invade.

Anyone would think that their most sacred time of year, when JC rose
from
the dead, would not be named after the Goddess of fertility Oestre with
her symbols the egg and rabbit.



I don't see why not - it's about rebirth and all that.

What I don't get is why they call his execution day "Good" anything!

Cheers!
Rich


What I don't get is why us christians keep ranting that the jews killed
jesus and that it was a bad thing. After all, isn't it us christians
that are always explaining unfortunate events as god working in
mysterious ways. And how might history have been different if jesus
hadn't become a martyr through his death. He might not have gained the
power us christians gave him if he had just grown old and died a natural
death. Ultimately, if us christians are going to continue to rant that
the jews killed jesus, then the least we could do is be grateful;
without his death we have no martyr, no death for our sins, and no
resurrection. Woe be to me or to any other christian that believes god's
will was a bad thing.

Jim Thompson

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Jim Thompson » 18 des 2004 23:33:02

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:45:54 -0500, "Diane James" <^ ^
^ ^ ^ ^> wrote:

[snip]

Why so cranky, Diane, horny ?:-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

bob gillis

Re: This newgroup was[Christmas vs "Holidays"]

Legg inn av bob gillis » 18 des 2004 23:49:53

This has to be the absolutely craziest and worthless newsgroup. Of the
recent messages almost all were threaded Christmas vs "Holidays". And
the exchages have gone on and on and on. After the first few I have
just been ignoring. Goodby and good riddance.

Spehro Pefhany

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Spehro Pefhany » 19 des 2004 00:08:44

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:33:02 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:45:54 -0500, "Diane James" <^ ^
^ ^ ^ ^> wrote:

[snip]

Why so cranky, Diane, horny ?:-)

...Jim Thompson

Potty mouth b*tch, eh?

Richard Henry

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Richard Henry » 19 des 2004 01:17:51

"Diane James" <^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^> wrote in message
news:10s8r20tblcff0e@corp.supernews.com...
Would you fuckheads stop crossposting to rec.travel.cruises?

Why? Are you compelled to read all threads, even those that you have
decided irritate you?

Richard Henry

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Richard Henry » 19 des 2004 01:20:25

"Bryan" <bryanNO459@NOpacbell.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:x8_wd.272$yV1.225@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Rich Grise wrote:
Xians don't seem to have any sacred dates of their own so they hijack
those of whatever pagans lands they invade.

Anyone would think that their most sacred time of year, when JC rose
from
the dead, would not be named after the Goddess of fertility Oestre with
her symbols the egg and rabbit.


I don't see why not - it's about rebirth and all that.

What I don't get is why they call his execution day "Good" anything!

Cheers!
Rich


What I don't get is why us christians keep ranting that the jews killed
jesus and that it was a bad thing. After all, isn't it us christians
that are always explaining unfortunate events as god working in
mysterious ways. And how might history have been different if jesus
hadn't become a martyr through his death. He might not have gained the
power us christians gave him if he had just grown old and died a natural
death. Ultimately, if us christians are going to continue to rant that
the jews killed jesus, then the least we could do is be grateful;
without his death we have no martyr, no death for our sins, and no
resurrection. Woe be to me or to any other christian that believes god's
will was a bad thing.

Really? When did htis rant start?

I haven't been to church much lately. However, when I was still attending,
it was pretty clear from the sunday school stories that it was the Romans
who killed Jesus.

Nicholas O. Lindan

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Nicholas O. Lindan » 19 des 2004 01:43:15

"James A. Doemer" <jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote

Yes, you can. That is the whole point.

Show me.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com
psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/

Niggercrusher

Re: Christmas vs "Holidays"

Legg inn av Niggercrusher » 19 des 2004 04:27:13

That was SO intelligent Yard Ape. The Lady asked a normal question, what do
you do ? NIGGER UP TNB STYLE !! NO surprise there...

--
You have just been crushed SAMBO gutter apes, by the NIGGERCRUSHER.




"Mr.Extreme" <extremeone@theHNIC.net> wrote in message
news:cq1r7a$81o7$1@news3.infoave.net...
STFU! TWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK

Diane James wrote:
Would you fuckheads stop crossposting to rec.travel.cruises?


"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:dSmySaDItAxBFwVG@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote (in
1103362371.997071.219840@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Sat, 18 Dec 2004:


Not sure what you mean here: sorry. Perhaps I should explain what I
meant?

I know what you meant; I was applying 'relentless logic'. If a date of
writing is proven false, it was false from whenever it was stated, not
from when the falsity was discovered.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
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