How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
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Rich Heimlich
How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
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K0BBE
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
"Rich Heimlich" schreef ...
: When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
:
: Mary Smith - Wife
:
: How are you supposed to enter her name in your database?
: What's the formal, accepted method?
:
: What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as
: "Mary (Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to
: denote that I don't know her maiden name.
:
: The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it
: also keeps down the confusion levels when searching for
: someone actually named "Mary Smith" versus a Mary who
: married a "Smith".
:
Rich,
I call them all "Incognita".
(So I can do a search on all my Incognita's.)
--
K0BBE ( webblad: http://go.to/coilge )
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: When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
:
: Mary Smith - Wife
:
: How are you supposed to enter her name in your database?
: What's the formal, accepted method?
:
: What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as
: "Mary (Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to
: denote that I don't know her maiden name.
:
: The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it
: also keeps down the confusion levels when searching for
: someone actually named "Mary Smith" versus a Mary who
: married a "Smith".
:
Rich,
I call them all "Incognita".
(So I can do a search on all my Incognita's.)
--
K0BBE ( webblad: http://go.to/coilge )
e-adres: incorrect
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Lesley Robertson
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
"Rich Heimlich" <agrajag@comcast.net> schreef in bericht
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I have a simple system for all unknowns. Where a surname isn't known, I
enter it as Nn, so she'd be Mary Nn. Where I have a male with an unknown
forename (eg if Mary Smith appears in my data as a widow), I use Yy (giving
Yy Smith), where it's a female with an unknown forename I use Xx. This makes
unknowns who need a lot more work immediately obvious in the index.
Lesley Robertson
news:hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com...
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
I have a simple system for all unknowns. Where a surname isn't known, I
enter it as Nn, so she'd be Mary Nn. Where I have a male with an unknown
forename (eg if Mary Smith appears in my data as a widow), I use Yy (giving
Yy Smith), where it's a female with an unknown forename I use Xx. This makes
unknowns who need a lot more work immediately obvious in the index.
Lesley Robertson
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James A. Doemer
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
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I just type in Mary ?
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"Rich Heimlich" <agrajag@comcast.net> schreef in bericht
news:hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com...
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
I have a simple system for all unknowns. Where a surname isn't known, I
enter it as Nn, so she'd be Mary Nn. Where I have a male with an unknown
forename (eg if Mary Smith appears in my data as a widow), I use Yy
(giving
Yy Smith), where it's a female with an unknown forename I use Xx. This
makes
unknowns who need a lot more work immediately obvious in the index.
Lesley Robertson
I just type in Mary ?
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Bruce Remick
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
"Rich Heimlich" <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I enter Mary _____. This way if I print out a family report it is clear
that I don't know the maiden name, plus it looks good (to me) in a report.
Bruce
news:hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com...
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
I enter Mary _____. This way if I print out a family report it is clear
that I don't know the maiden name, plus it looks good (to me) in a report.
Bruce
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Ron Parsons
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
In article <hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com>,
Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
I leave the last name blank. If it was a census record that shows the
birthplaces of her parents, I enter them both with blank names and show
their birthplaces.
Both searches and lists have the choice of Last Name or Married Name.
I use () in the First and Middle names to show a preferred or nick name
when it is not the same as the First name.
--
Ron Parsons
Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
I leave the last name blank. If it was a census record that shows the
birthplaces of her parents, I enter them both with blank names and show
their birthplaces.
Both searches and lists have the choice of Last Name or Married Name.
I use () in the First and Middle names to show a preferred or nick name
when it is not the same as the First name.
--
Ron Parsons
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singhals
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
Rich Heimlich wrote:
Yes, but (name) is how most married women show their maiden name, so
unless you explain it carefully everytime you show or share this, most
of the people who look at it will assume Mary Smith married John Smith.
Those who don't make that assumption will wonder why she wished to be
known as Smith instead of Mary, because some genealogists use (name) to
indicate the name the person used.
The MAC project of the (US) National Genealogical Society decided to use
SURNAME: Smith
name: Mary (Mrs)
for married women of unknown surname. It was thought that this would
put all the married women somewhere in the same alpha region as their
spouse (g) while differentiating between Mary, daughter of John Smith,
and Mary, wife of John Smith.
Still, it's your database, so do whatever makes it easier for you to
manipulate.
Cheryl
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
Yes, but (name) is how most married women show their maiden name, so
unless you explain it carefully everytime you show or share this, most
of the people who look at it will assume Mary Smith married John Smith.
Those who don't make that assumption will wonder why she wished to be
known as Smith instead of Mary, because some genealogists use (name) to
indicate the name the person used.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
The MAC project of the (US) National Genealogical Society decided to use
SURNAME: Smith
name: Mary (Mrs)
for married women of unknown surname. It was thought that this would
put all the married women somewhere in the same alpha region as their
spouse (g) while differentiating between Mary, daughter of John Smith,
and Mary, wife of John Smith.
Still, it's your database, so do whatever makes it easier for you to
manipulate.
Cheryl
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Allen
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
Bruce Remick wrote:
I've been using parens, but I like the idea of _______ better. It
conveys the idea of a blank that needs to be filled in. I'm going to
change all my ()s when I have time.
Allen
"Rich Heimlich" <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com...
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
I enter Mary _____. This way if I print out a family report it is clear
that I don't know the maiden name, plus it looks good (to me) in a report.
Bruce
I've been using parens, but I like the idea of _______ better. It
conveys the idea of a blank that needs to be filled in. I'm going to
change all my ()s when I have time.
Allen
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Rich Heimlich
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:39:51 -0500, "Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net>
wrote:
Thanks Bruce. I'm going to use a variant on this idea. I don't like
the idea of the underscores as I'll likely end up having to clean up
variously sized underscores. Plus Mary _____ doesn't convey they I
know her married name from Index lists and such. So, I'm going to try
adding "( )" without the quotes, to the Suffix so that Mary would show
up "Mary Smith ( )". That's easy to search on and conveys, at least to
me, that I don't know her maiden name as maiden names are often in
parenthesis.
wrote:
I enter Mary _____. This way if I print out a family report it is clear
that I don't know the maiden name, plus it looks good (to me) in a report.
Thanks Bruce. I'm going to use a variant on this idea. I don't like
the idea of the underscores as I'll likely end up having to clean up
variously sized underscores. Plus Mary _____ doesn't convey they I
know her married name from Index lists and such. So, I'm going to try
adding "( )" without the quotes, to the Suffix so that Mary would show
up "Mary Smith ( )". That's easy to search on and conveys, at least to
me, that I don't know her maiden name as maiden names are often in
parenthesis.
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K0BBE
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
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When will you seat the late retail miners before Yosri does?
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stomach's soil.
Let's negotiate underneath the useful gates, but don't earn the
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Well, Afif never integrates until Martha persists the full cabin
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Sherry
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
Ron Parsons <jrp59@gte.net> wrote in
news:jrp59-8F184B.07312214122004@news.verizon.net:
Ron,
I think this is probably the best way to handle unknown names, at
least from a Legacy perspective. I don't know about other programs,
but in Legacy you can create a book report and insert underlines for
missing information. If you have *anything* in that field, you won't
get the underlines.
The nice thing about having the underlines is that it's a real quick
clue to the reader that information is missing and they could very
possibly be able to fill in the blanks, so to speak. If the blanks
aren't there, the fact that something is missing won't be as visible.
Sherry
news:jrp59-8F184B.07312214122004@news.verizon.net:
In article <hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com>,
Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I
don't know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
I leave the last name blank. If it was a census record that shows
the birthplaces of her parents, I enter them both with blank names
and show their birthplaces.
Ron,
I think this is probably the best way to handle unknown names, at
least from a Legacy perspective. I don't know about other programs,
but in Legacy you can create a book report and insert underlines for
missing information. If you have *anything* in that field, you won't
get the underlines.
The nice thing about having the underlines is that it's a real quick
clue to the reader that information is missing and they could very
possibly be able to fill in the blanks, so to speak. If the blanks
aren't there, the fact that something is missing won't be as visible.
Sherry
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Otto Jørgensen
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
On 14 Dec 2004 22:19:02 GMT, in alt.genealogy Sherry
<sherdh@excite.com> wrote:
the correct name.
For the moment you can also add that this is the name regarding the
source you have and even add a note to your program/ to the name that
this is what she is known as.
I do not think you should make her unknown. This is at least what she
is know as at the specific moment.
--
Otto Jørgensen
http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/bk/
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<sherdh@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Parsons <jrp59@gte.net> wrote in
news:jrp59-8F184B.07312214122004@news.verizon.net:
In article <hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com>,
Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I
don't know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
I leave the last name blank. If it was a census record that shows
the birthplaces of her parents, I enter them both with blank names
and show their birthplaces.
Ron,
I think this is probably the best way to handle unknown names, at
least from a Legacy perspective. I don't know about other programs,
but in Legacy you can create a book report and insert underlines for
missing information. If you have *anything* in that field, you won't
get the underlines.
The nice thing about having the underlines is that it's a real quick
clue to the reader that information is missing and they could very
possibly be able to fill in the blanks, so to speak. If the blanks
aren't there, the fact that something is missing won't be as visible.
I would entered her as she is known. Later on you can always change to
the correct name.
For the moment you can also add that this is the name regarding the
source you have and even add a note to your program/ to the name that
this is what she is known as.
I do not think you should make her unknown. This is at least what she
is know as at the specific moment.
--
Otto Jørgensen
http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/bk/
All email is checked by NORTON
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Ron Parsons
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
In article <Xns95BF91ADAB72BTansyRagwortNetscape@130.133.1.4>,
Sherry <sherdh@excite.com> wrote:
My program displays "UNNAMED" whenever there is a child with a blank
first name. In reports when there is no name at all, it prints "UNNAMED"
but otherwise, it displays or prints the portion of the name that it
knows.
--
Ron Parsons
Sherry <sherdh@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Parsons <jrp59@gte.net> wrote in
news:jrp59-8F184B.07312214122004@news.verizon.net:
In article <hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com>,
Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I
don't know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
I leave the last name blank. If it was a census record that shows
the birthplaces of her parents, I enter them both with blank names
and show their birthplaces.
Ron,
I think this is probably the best way to handle unknown names, at
least from a Legacy perspective. I don't know about other programs,
but in Legacy you can create a book report and insert underlines for
missing information. If you have *anything* in that field, you won't
get the underlines.
The nice thing about having the underlines is that it's a real quick
clue to the reader that information is missing and they could very
possibly be able to fill in the blanks, so to speak. If the blanks
aren't there, the fact that something is missing won't be as visible.
My program displays "UNNAMED" whenever there is a child with a blank
first name. In reports when there is no name at all, it prints "UNNAMED"
but otherwise, it displays or prints the portion of the name that it
knows.
--
Ron Parsons
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Ron Parsons
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
In article <cu1ur0trhve6v2q8akhodnfsf2qv9vj0b6@4ax.com>,
Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
I don't understand why you are not just entering her birth last name.
Her married name at any point should flow from her husband's last name.
--
Ron Parsons
Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:39:51 -0500, "Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net
wrote:
I enter Mary _____. This way if I print out a family report it is clear
that I don't know the maiden name, plus it looks good (to me) in a report.
Thanks Bruce. I'm going to use a variant on this idea. I don't like
the idea of the underscores as I'll likely end up having to clean up
variously sized underscores. Plus Mary _____ doesn't convey they I
know her married name from Index lists and such. So, I'm going to try
adding "( )" without the quotes, to the Suffix so that Mary would show
up "Mary Smith ( )". That's easy to search on and conveys, at least to
me, that I don't know her maiden name as maiden names are often in
parenthesis.
I don't understand why you are not just entering her birth last name.
Her married name at any point should flow from her husband's last name.
--
Ron Parsons
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Otto Jørgensen
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:51:42 GMT, in alt.genealogy Ron Parsons
<jrp59@gte.net> wrote:
it is not all place that the name of a female is generated from the
husband last name, so that is no general rule
--
Otto Jørgensen
http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/bk/
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<jrp59@gte.net> wrote:
I don't understand why you are not just entering her birth last name.
Her married name at any point should flow from her husband's last name.
it is not all place that the name of a female is generated from the
husband last name, so that is no general rule
--
Otto Jørgensen
http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/bk/
All email is checked by NORTON
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Rich Heimlich
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:51:42 GMT, Ron Parsons <jrp59@gte.net> wrote:
As Otto said, there are many cases where that will not work and then
explaining it in notes would get to be a bit cumbersome. Simply coming
up with a token that shows you don't know their maiden name works
great.
I don't understand why you are not just entering her birth last name.
Her married name at any point should flow from her husband's last name.
As Otto said, there are many cases where that will not work and then
explaining it in notes would get to be a bit cumbersome. Simply coming
up with a token that shows you don't know their maiden name works
great.
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Alan Jones
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
In the genealogy program I use, PAF 5.2, it recognizes
the first names and the surname separately.
It can be set to view in different ways, the way I use is where
"Firstname Middlename /Lastname/"
The program puts the slashes around the lat word entered and asks
if it was correct in assume this was the surname.
For women of unknown maiden name, I enter "Mary //"
The program knows that I do not have her maiden surname.
All reports come out correctly.
Alan
"Rich Heimlich" <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote in message
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the first names and the surname separately.
It can be set to view in different ways, the way I use is where
"Firstname Middlename /Lastname/"
The program puts the slashes around the lat word entered and asks
if it was correct in assume this was the surname.
For women of unknown maiden name, I enter "Mary //"
The program knows that I do not have her maiden surname.
All reports come out correctly.
Alan
"Rich Heimlich" <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com...
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
-
Allen
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
Ron Parsons wrote:
This thread is specifically about when the birth last name _is not known_.
Allen
In article <cu1ur0trhve6v2q8akhodnfsf2qv9vj0b6@4ax.com>,
Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:39:51 -0500, "Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net
wrote:
I enter Mary _____. This way if I print out a family report it is clear
that I don't know the maiden name, plus it looks good (to me) in a report.
Thanks Bruce. I'm going to use a variant on this idea. I don't like
the idea of the underscores as I'll likely end up having to clean up
variously sized underscores. Plus Mary _____ doesn't convey they I
know her married name from Index lists and such. So, I'm going to try
adding "( )" without the quotes, to the Suffix so that Mary would show
up "Mary Smith ( )". That's easy to search on and conveys, at least to
me, that I don't know her maiden name as maiden names are often in
parenthesis.
I don't understand why you are not just entering her birth last name.
This thread is specifically about when the birth last name _is not known_.
Allen
Her married name at any point should flow from her husband's last name.
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Andrew W Applegarth
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote in
news:hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com:
I enter the last name as LNU (Last Name Unknown). This makes it very
easy to search for them and to recognize them for what they are. It's
makes it very easy to tell the difference between a person who I only know
the first and last name and somebody who I only know the first and middle
name. It puts them all in the same spot in alphabetical order, so it's
easy to see who I need to be researching.
Likewise, if I find a daughter listed in an obituary or something where
she is only listed as Mrs X (for example), I enter her as FNU MaidenName.
This makes them very easy to recognize and search for.
Also, since the FNU and LNU are distinctive, I can enter her as FNU LNU
if I find a reference to a wife that only lists her as Mrs X.
- Andrew W Applegarth
news:hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com:
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
I enter the last name as LNU (Last Name Unknown). This makes it very
easy to search for them and to recognize them for what they are. It's
makes it very easy to tell the difference between a person who I only know
the first and last name and somebody who I only know the first and middle
name. It puts them all in the same spot in alphabetical order, so it's
easy to see who I need to be researching.
Likewise, if I find a daughter listed in an obituary or something where
she is only listed as Mrs X (for example), I enter her as FNU MaidenName.
This makes them very easy to recognize and search for.
Also, since the FNU and LNU are distinctive, I can enter her as FNU LNU
if I find a reference to a wife that only lists her as Mrs X.
- Andrew W Applegarth
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Annasplace
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
In my program, I list her as Mary (Unknown).
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Ron Martell
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
I have been adding the prefix Mrs. to the name and using her married
name.
Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
I have been adding the prefix Mrs. to the name and using her married
name.
Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."
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bob gillis
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
Since i don't have Rich's original post I am relpying to a follow up
Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
In The Master Genealogist you would enter Mary as given and leave the
Surname blank. Her name prints as Mary ---?--- or something else if
you want. Mer married name appears in the Pick List or Project Explorer
as Mary Smith and Mary appears also.
bob gillis
Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
In The Master Genealogist you would enter Mary as given and leave the
Surname blank. Her name prints as Mary ---?--- or something else if
you want. Mer married name appears in the Pick List or Project Explorer
as Mary Smith and Mary appears also.
bob gillis
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Sharon
Re: How to enter unknown maiden names - genealogical standar
According to http://www.genealogy.com/rhonda010600.html
For unknown maiden names:
First though a look at the standard. If you look in any of the published
journals, you will see that females with unknown surnames are listed as Mary
[--?--]. This is the accepted standard.
Just FYI, when I first started doing genealogy research I came across
relatives in a GEDCOM with the name of MNU - I thought it was some exotic
name. Took a while to realize the person who entered it used it for "Middle
Name Unknown" I think we forget that not everyone in the world speaks
English and therefore LNU would mean nothing to someone who only spoke
another language.
Just my two cents worth.
Sharon
"Rich Heimlich" <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com...
For unknown maiden names:
First though a look at the standard. If you look in any of the published
journals, you will see that females with unknown surnames are listed as Mary
[--?--]. This is the accepted standard.
Just FYI, when I first started doing genealogy research I came across
relatives in a GEDCOM with the name of MNU - I thought it was some exotic
name. Took a while to realize the person who entered it used it for "Middle
Name Unknown" I think we forget that not everyone in the world speaks
English and therefore LNU would mean nothing to someone who only spoke
another language.
Just my two cents worth.
Sharon
"Rich Heimlich" <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com...
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
-
Otto Jørgensen
Re: How to enter unknown maiden names - genealogical standar
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:12:30 GMT, in alt.genealogy "Sharon"
<sharon@wjcshul.org> wrote:
or "ukjent" = not known
And standard for the english is not neassary standard for the rest of
the world.
Do remember that this newsgroup is a interntional newgroup
--
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<sharon@wjcshul.org> wrote:
According to http://www.genealogy.com/rhonda010600.html
For unknown maiden names:
First though a look at the standard. If you look in any of the published
journals, you will see that females with unknown surnames are listed as Mary
[--?--]. This is the accepted standard.
Just FYI, when I first started doing genealogy research I came across
relatives in a GEDCOM with the name of MNU - I thought it was some exotic
name. Took a while to realize the person who entered it used it for "Middle
Name Unknown" I think we forget that not everyone in the world speaks
English and therefore LNU would mean nothing to someone who only spoke
another language.
Just my two cents worth.
or "ukjent" = not known
And standard for the english is not neassary standard for the rest of
the world.
Do remember that this newsgroup is a interntional newgroup
--
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Rich Heimlich
Re: How to enter unknown maiden names - genealogical standar
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:19:33 +0100, Otto Jørgensen
I believe that's why Sharon pointed out the standard [--?--] use.
Do remember that this newsgroup is a interntional newgroup
I believe that's why Sharon pointed out the standard [--?--] use.
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Otto Jørgensen
Re: How to enter unknown maiden names - genealogical standar
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:59:06 -0500, in alt.genealogy Rich Heimlich
<agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
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<agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:19:33 +0100, Otto Jørgensen
Do remember that this newsgroup is a interntional newgroup
I believe that's why Sharon pointed out the standard [--?--] use.
for USA, not all other countries
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MrBrad
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
I use LNU followed by a three digit number - the LNU is "Last Name
Unknown" and the number is a sequential number beginning at 001 for
the first time I used this scheme. I am now at LNU098 and so you will
see why I left provisions for a large number.
When I learn of the last name I then go back and update the record - I
never reuse a number under any occasion..
Works well for me.
Regard, Brad Henderson
up On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:58:17 -0500, Rich Heimlich
<agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
Unknown" and the number is a sequential number beginning at 001 for
the first time I used this scheme. I am now at LNU098 and so you will
see why I left provisions for a large number.
When I learn of the last name I then go back and update the record - I
never reuse a number under any occasion..
Works well for me.
Regard, Brad Henderson
up On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:58:17 -0500, Rich Heimlich
<agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
-
Udo & Jo Ann
Re: How to enter unknown maiden names - genealogical standar
"Sharon" <sharon@wjcshul.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:OzDwd.18$kq2.2@twister.nyc.rr.com...
In Germany it is NN or N.N. either meaning "nomen nescio" or "Nomen
nominandum" (name unknown).
I personally use "???" (I use just one "?" for questions within my data) for
which ever part of the name I don't know (either first or last) - this keeps
the "unknowns" at the top of the list for me. All I will have to do when I
get ready to publish my information is replace "???" with "NN". In the name
line of my program (I use Cumberland Family Tree) where I actually enter the
names, I put "exacting" data behind the second "/", i.e. " ??? /???/ first
wife of SMITH, John ". I know this will take quite an effort to clean up
afterwards, but for entry purposes it is essential. (At the moment I am
entering the local parish books into a genealogy program.)
Jo Ann
news:OzDwd.18$kq2.2@twister.nyc.rr.com...
According to http://www.genealogy.com/rhonda010600.html
For unknown maiden names:
First though a look at the standard. If you look in any of the published
journals, you will see that females with unknown surnames are listed as
Mary
[--?--]. This is the accepted standard.
Just FYI, when I first started doing genealogy research I came across
relatives in a GEDCOM with the name of MNU - I thought it was some exotic
name. Took a while to realize the person who entered it used it for
"Middle
Name Unknown" I think we forget that not everyone in the world speaks
English and therefore LNU would mean nothing to someone who only spoke
another language.
Just my two cents worth.
Sharon
"Rich Heimlich" <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com...
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
In Germany it is NN or N.N. either meaning "nomen nescio" or "Nomen
nominandum" (name unknown).
I personally use "???" (I use just one "?" for questions within my data) for
which ever part of the name I don't know (either first or last) - this keeps
the "unknowns" at the top of the list for me. All I will have to do when I
get ready to publish my information is replace "???" with "NN". In the name
line of my program (I use Cumberland Family Tree) where I actually enter the
names, I put "exacting" data behind the second "/", i.e. " ??? /???/ first
wife of SMITH, John ". I know this will take quite an effort to clean up
afterwards, but for entry purposes it is essential. (At the moment I am
entering the local parish books into a genealogy program.)
Jo Ann
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Jim
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
In my program (Ancestral Quest), I can leave the surname blank, but my
preference is to show her as "Mary (________)". This gets around the
confusion of where a given name is or could be a surname, as in "Douglas
(_______)". I feel the important thing is that in these situations, be
consistant, always use the same format.
Jim
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confusion of where a given name is or could be a surname, as in "Douglas
(_______)". I feel the important thing is that in these situations, be
consistant, always use the same format.
Jim
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Lesley Robertson
Re: How to enter unknown maiden names - genealogical standar
"Udo & Jo Ann" <fellenzer@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
news:cq42ub$f03$05$1@news.t-online.com...
Accepted standard where? Acccepted by who? I've never seen it before.
Yes, I use Nn. It keeps all the unknowns together, and combining upper and
lower case characters prevents FTM from having hysterics at the sight of 2
upper case letters together.
Basically, as long as it's clear to the user and family, it doesn't really
matter what is used.
Lesley Robertson
news:cq42ub$f03$05$1@news.t-online.com...
"Sharon" <sharon@wjcshul.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:OzDwd.18$kq2.2@twister.nyc.rr.com...
According to http://www.genealogy.com/rhonda010600.html
For unknown maiden names:
First though a look at the standard. If you look in any of the published
journals, you will see that females with unknown surnames are listed as
Mary
[--?--]. This is the accepted standard.
Accepted standard where? Acccepted by who? I've never seen it before.
In Germany it is NN or N.N. either meaning "nomen nescio" or "Nomen
nominandum" (name unknown).
Yes, I use Nn. It keeps all the unknowns together, and combining upper and
lower case characters prevents FTM from having hysterics at the sight of 2
upper case letters together.
Basically, as long as it's clear to the user and family, it doesn't really
matter what is used.
Lesley Robertson
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James A. Doemer
Re: How to enter unknown maiden names - genealogical standar
Lesley Robertson <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:
That's my take on it. Any of those methods are probably going to be clear
to most everyone.
"Udo & Jo Ann" <fellenzer@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
news:cq42ub$f03$05$1@news.t-online.com...
"Sharon" <sharon@wjcshul.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:OzDwd.18$kq2.2@twister.nyc.rr.com...
According to http://www.genealogy.com/rhonda010600.html
For unknown maiden names:
First though a look at the standard. If you look in any of the
published journals, you will see that females with unknown surnames
are listed as Mary [--?--]. This is the accepted standard.
Accepted standard where? Acccepted by who? I've never seen it before.
In Germany it is NN or N.N. either meaning "nomen nescio" or "Nomen
nominandum" (name unknown).
Yes, I use Nn. It keeps all the unknowns together, and combining
upper and lower case characters prevents FTM from having hysterics at
the sight of 2 upper case letters together.
Basically, as long as it's clear to the user and family, it doesn't
really matter what is used.
Lesley Robertson
That's my take on it. Any of those methods are probably going to be clear
to most everyone.
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Gjest
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
With a number of women in my data with the same forename, for whom I did
not know their maiden names, leaving the surname blank, or using the
same surname on all made searching an alphabetized listing of my
database a problem for me. Either 10 "Mary"s or 10 "Mary Nn"s or 10 Mary
whatevers drove me nuts.
So I began to use First/Given name plus (unknown-married name) for my
women of unknown maiden names.
Example: Mary (unknown-Jones), Mary (unknown-Smith), etc. Works for me.
I also us Y for unknown male given names and X for unknown female given
names.
tootncmon
not know their maiden names, leaving the surname blank, or using the
same surname on all made searching an alphabetized listing of my
database a problem for me. Either 10 "Mary"s or 10 "Mary Nn"s or 10 Mary
whatevers drove me nuts.
So I began to use First/Given name plus (unknown-married name) for my
women of unknown maiden names.
Example: Mary (unknown-Jones), Mary (unknown-Smith), etc. Works for me.
I also us Y for unknown male given names and X for unknown female given
names.
tootncmon
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D. Stussy
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Rich Heimlich wrote:
In my database, she would appear as "Mary ?"; the question mark appearing in
place of the surname.
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
In my database, she would appear as "Mary ?"; the question mark appearing in
place of the surname.
-
D. Stussy
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Lesley Robertson wrote:
....And when someone comes along who speaks a different language - where these
could be pronouncable (e.g. "Lnu" vs. last-name-unknown), all this will do is
confuse and confound others to search for the mysterious "Lnu" family (and
other such nonsense).
The best idea is to NEVER use any abbreviation nor acronym that could be
mistaken for a surname - and the best idea to avoid that is to use a
placeholder that contains NO alphabetic characters.
"Rich Heimlich" <agrajag@comcast.net> schreef in bericht
news:hkhtr09kjlrh4q3o7vi9livm9h46oq8aq7@4ax.com...
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
I have a simple system for all unknowns. Where a surname isn't known, I
enter it as Nn, so she'd be Mary Nn. Where I have a male with an unknown
forename (eg if Mary Smith appears in my data as a widow), I use Yy (giving
Yy Smith), where it's a female with an unknown forename I use Xx. This makes
unknowns who need a lot more work immediately obvious in the index.
Lesley Robertson
....And when someone comes along who speaks a different language - where these
could be pronouncable (e.g. "Lnu" vs. last-name-unknown), all this will do is
confuse and confound others to search for the mysterious "Lnu" family (and
other such nonsense).
The best idea is to NEVER use any abbreviation nor acronym that could be
mistaken for a surname - and the best idea to avoid that is to use a
placeholder that contains NO alphabetic characters.
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D. Stussy
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Ron Parsons wrote:
One cannot enter what one doesn't know.
Did you read the first post of this topic?
In article <cu1ur0trhve6v2q8akhodnfsf2qv9vj0b6@4ax.com>,
Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:39:51 -0500, "Bruce Remick" <remick@cox.net
wrote:
I enter Mary _____. This way if I print out a family report it is clear
that I don't know the maiden name, plus it looks good (to me) in a report.
Thanks Bruce. I'm going to use a variant on this idea. I don't like
the idea of the underscores as I'll likely end up having to clean up
variously sized underscores. Plus Mary _____ doesn't convey they I
know her married name from Index lists and such. So, I'm going to try
adding "( )" without the quotes, to the Suffix so that Mary would show
up "Mary Smith ( )". That's easy to search on and conveys, at least to
me, that I don't know her maiden name as maiden names are often in
parenthesis.
I don't understand why you are not just entering her birth last name.
Her married name at any point should flow from her husband's last name.
One cannot enter what one doesn't know.
Did you read the first post of this topic?
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Nell
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
D. Stussy wrote:
I may change at a later time but at this point I'm using /UNKNOWN/ in my
PAF. PAF doesn't holler at me, just as long as I'm using the // format
correctly.
Nell
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Rich Heimlich wrote:
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
In my database, she would appear as "Mary ?"; the question mark appearing in
place of the surname.
I may change at a later time but at this point I'm using /UNKNOWN/ in my
PAF. PAF doesn't holler at me, just as long as I'm using the // format
correctly.
Nell
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Gjest
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
I like that idea Lesley. Thanks for the tip.
Chris
Chris
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Donna
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
In order to know which surname the "Unknown" belongs with, I record the name
of John Smith's wife as Mary Unknown[Smith].
Donna in Texas
"Jim" <waddellatpathcomdotcom> wrote in message
news:41c5902e$1_3@127.0.0.1...
of John Smith's wife as Mary Unknown[Smith].
Donna in Texas
"Jim" <waddellatpathcomdotcom> wrote in message
news:41c5902e$1_3@127.0.0.1...
In my program (Ancestral Quest), I can leave the surname blank, but my
preference is to show her as "Mary (________)". This gets around the
confusion of where a given name is or could be a surname, as in "Douglas
(_______)". I feel the important thing is that in these situations, be
consistant, always use the same format.
Jim
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In my program, I list her as Mary (Unknown).
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David J Grimshaw
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
Nell wrote:
As I am doing a One Name Study what I do is put Unknown and if I have
more than one Mary which I do have that I do not Know the maiden name I
add an alphbeticical letter starting from A this will give me at lest
26 Mary Unknown's excluding the first one.
Hopefully over time this will deminish as reseach confirms what the
Maiden name was. Time and Money.
D. Stussy wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Rich Heimlich wrote:
When you find a woman, say in a census, and she's listed as:
Mary Smith - Wife
How are you supposed to enter her name in your database? What's the
formal, accepted method?
What I'm doing in Legacy right now is putting "Mary" in as "Mary
(Smith)" using parenthesis around the last name to denote that I don't
know her maiden name.
The problem is that it's tough to search this way but it also keeps
down the confusion levels when searching for someone actually named
"Mary Smith" versus a Mary who married a "Smith".
In my database, she would appear as "Mary ?"; the question mark
appearing in
place of the surname.
I may change at a later time but at this point I'm using /UNKNOWN/ in my
PAF. PAF doesn't holler at me, just as long as I'm using the // format
correctly.
Nell
Hi De ho,
As I am doing a One Name Study what I do is put Unknown and if I have
more than one Mary which I do have that I do not Know the maiden name I
add an alphbeticical letter starting from A this will give me at lest
26 Mary Unknown's excluding the first one.
Hopefully over time this will deminish as reseach confirms what the
Maiden name was. Time and Money.
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D. Stussy
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, it was written:
As an aside, I may use the underscore format instead of a question mark, but
ONLY WHEN I know how many letters there are in the surname (e.g. when it is
garbled and ureadable - but one can tell how many letters are present). To me,
the underscore method implies knowledge of the count of letters.
In my program (Ancestral Quest), I can leave the surname blank, but my
preference is to show her as "Mary (________)". This gets around the
confusion of where a given name is or could be a surname, as in "Douglas
(_______)". I feel the important thing is that in these situations, be
consistant, always use the same format.
As an aside, I may use the underscore format instead of a question mark, but
ONLY WHEN I know how many letters there are in the surname (e.g. when it is
garbled and ureadable - but one can tell how many letters are present). To me,
the underscore method implies knowledge of the count of letters.
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Chris
Re: How to enter unknown maiden names - genealogical standar
I believe that's why Sharon pointed out the standard [--?--] use.
Is the reason why for an unknown last name I use ?
For an unknown First name I use ?M for Male annd ?F for Female
So all my unknowns are on the top of my list.
Just my way
Chris
Is the reason why for an unknown last name I use ?
For an unknown First name I use ?M for Male annd ?F for Female
So all my unknowns are on the top of my list.
Just my way
Chris
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SBeireis
Re: How to enter wives when you don't know their maiden?
I use PAF and I use the Husbands Surname with only one parenthia "ie: Mary
Sumbs)
this allows the wife to be at the bottom of the Sumbs line and I don't have
to go through 50 Marys to find the one I am looking for.
"D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.60.0412210211580.66@kd6lvw.ampr.org...
Sumbs)
this allows the wife to be at the bottom of the Sumbs line and I don't have
to go through 50 Marys to find the one I am looking for.
"D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.60.0412210211580.66@kd6lvw.ampr.org...
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, it was written:
In my program (Ancestral Quest), I can leave the surname blank, but my
preference is to show her as "Mary (________)". This gets around the
confusion of where a given name is or could be a surname, as in "Douglas
(_______)". I feel the important thing is that in these situations, be
consistant, always use the same format.
As an aside, I may use the underscore format instead of a question mark,
but
ONLY WHEN I know how many letters there are in the surname (e.g. when it
is
garbled and ureadable - but one can tell how many letters are present).
To me,
the underscore method implies knowledge of the count of letters.
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Otto Jørgensen
Re: How to enter unknown maiden names - genealogical standar
On 27 Dec 2004 06:40:10 -0800, in alt.genealogy "Chris"
<rich_genealogy@comcast.net> wrote:
An other way. I use
boy Smith
girl Smith
of course in Norwegian
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<rich_genealogy@comcast.net> wrote:
I believe that's why Sharon pointed out the standard [--?--] use.
Is the reason why for an unknown last name I use ?
For an unknown First name I use ?M for Male annd ?F for Female
So all my unknowns are on the top of my list.
Just my way
An other way. I use
boy Smith
girl Smith
of course in Norwegian
--
Otto Jørgensen
http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/bk/
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Otto Jørgensen
Re: How to enter unknown maiden names - genealogical standar
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 04:20:24 GMT, in alt.genealogy "D. Stussy"
<kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
the program do mark the gender for the person.
The use of "boy", "girl" is only a temp compensation for the firstname
of the child untill we have the correct first name
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<kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Otto Jørgensen wrote:
On 27 Dec 2004 06:40:10 -0800, in alt.genealogy "Chris"
rich_genealogy@comcast.net> wrote:
I believe that's why Sharon pointed out the standard [--?--] use.
Is the reason why for an unknown last name I use ?
For an unknown First name I use ?M for Male annd ?F for Female
So all my unknowns are on the top of my list.
Just my way
An other way. I use
boy Smith
girl Smith
of course in Norwegian
...And if some [other] descendant of the same ancestor(s) of those whom you
specified as "boy" or "girl" doesn't speak the language you specified them in,
what are the chances that they will think that the word you used is their
actual, given name?
Using a non-alphabetic character placeholder is the only way to absolutely
avoid that problem.
the program do mark the gender for the person.
The use of "boy", "girl" is only a temp compensation for the firstname
of the child untill we have the correct first name
--
Otto Jørgensen
http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/bk/
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