Ahnentafel vs ancestors list

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Inger Helene Falch-Jacobs

Ahnentafel vs ancestors list

Legg inn av Inger Helene Falch-Jacobs » 08 des 2004 11:22:15

Is "ahnentafel" just the hard way of spelling
"ancestors list"?
Or is ahnentafel the correct and commonly used
term for a numbered list of one's ancestors?
Will English speaking visitors get confused on
this page:
http://home.no.net/ingernet/genealogy/
Which term should I use, any advice?

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Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen
http://home.no.net/ingernet/

Mike Curtis

Re: Ahnentafel vs ancestors list

Legg inn av Mike Curtis » 08 des 2004 13:16:13

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 11:22:15 +0100, Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen
<Inger@neseblod.invalid> wrote:

Is "ahnentafel" just the hard way of spelling "ancestors list"?

Sort of! It's a German term that means ancestor list or ancestor table.

Or is ahnentafel the correct and commonly used term for a numbered list
of one's ancestors?

Ahnentafel is a very specific numbering list for one's direct ancestors.
The individual you start with, whether male or female, is always numbered
"1". After that, all males have even numbers and all females have odd
numbers. To find the father of anyone on the chart, just double his or her
Ahnentafel number. To find the mother, double his or her Ahnentafel number
and add "1". So for example, you would be #1 on your chart, your father
#2, your mother #3, your father's father #4, your father's mother #5, your
mother's father #6, your mother's mother #7, and so on.

Will English speaking visitors get confused on this page:
http://home.no.net/ingernet/genealogy/

I went to your page labeled "ancestor list." I did become confused because
it looks like you simply numbered your ancestors consecutively. If someone
was missing, as it appears one of your great grandparents is, you just
provided the next person on your list with the next number in sequence.
Therefore, it makes it difficult to figure out the exact relationship of
any one of these people to you.

Which term should I use, any advice?


Only use the Ahnentafel label if that is the numbering system you are
using (which I highly recommend). It tells a visitor that doesn't speak
your language exactly what they are looking at.


Best regards,

Mike Curtis

Gerrit Schippers

Re: Ahnentafel vs ancestors list

Legg inn av Gerrit Schippers » 08 des 2004 15:21:40

Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen <Inger@neseblod.invalid> wrote:

Is "ahnentafel" just the hard way of spelling
"ancestors list"?
Or is ahnentafel the correct and commonly used
term for a numbered list of one's ancestors?
Will English speaking visitors get confused on
this page:
http://home.no.net/ingernet/genealogy/
Which term should I use, any advice?

I have an English genealogy program. Due to this program is a created
"ancestors list" an "Ahnentafel Report".
It has the same numbering you used.
I think English speaking people understand both terms.

Gerrit Schippers

Homepage;
http://home.t-online.de/home/gschippers ... index.html

Inger Helene Falch-Jacobs

Re: Ahnentafel vs ancestors list

Legg inn av Inger Helene Falch-Jacobs » 08 des 2004 16:54:14

Mike Curtis wrote:
Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen wrote:

Is "ahnentafel" just the hard way of spelling "ancestors list"?

Sort of! It's a German term that means ancestor list or ancestor table.

The format of a list is quite different from the
format of a tree-shaped table, don't you agree...
like this:
http://home.no.net/ingernet/genealogy/s ... etavle.php

Or is ahnentafel the correct and commonly used term for a numbered
list of one's ancestors?

Ahnentafel is a very specific numbering list for one's direct ancestors.
The individual you start with, whether male or female, is always
numbered "1". After that, all males have even numbers...

Is it the numbering that makes it an Ahnentafel?
I see now that I should have written "a numbered
list using Kekule von Stradonitz' system"... I
didn't mean that the individuals should just have
consecutive numbers!

Will English speaking visitors get confused on this page:
http://home.no.net/ingernet/genealogy/

I went to your page labeled "ancestor list." I did become confused
because it looks like you simply numbered your ancestors consecutively.

I didn't!

If someone was missing, as it appears one of your great grandparents is,

All g. grandparents are there! The Norwegian
naming practice may be confusing to you, I can
understand that!

you just provided the next person on your list with the next number in
sequence. Therefore, it makes it difficult to figure out the exact
relationship of any one of these people to you.

Yeah, that would have been stupid, but I've seen
that too.

Which term should I use, any advice?

Only use the Ahnentafel label if that is the numbering system you are
using (which I highly recommend). It tells a visitor that doesn't speak
your language exactly what they are looking at.

If I change it to Anhnentafel, will it be obvious
to any visitor that I have used that numbering
system? I understand that it isn't obvious to you
the way it is now!


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Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen
http://home.no.net/ingernet/

Mike Curtis

Re: Ahnentafel vs ancestors list

Legg inn av Mike Curtis » 08 des 2004 17:13:48

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:54:14 +0100, Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen
<Inger@neseblod.invalid> wrote:

Mike Curtis wrote:
Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen wrote:

The format of a list is quite different from the format of a tree-shaped
table, don't you agree... like this:
http://home.no.net/ingernet/genealogy/s ... etavle.php

Yes, but both can include an Ahnentafel numbering system.

Is it the numbering that makes it an Ahnentafel?
I see now that I should have written "a numbered list using Kekule von
Stradonitz' system"... I didn't mean that the individuals should just
have consecutive numbers!

Yes, Ahnentafel strictly refers to the numbering system. It could be shown
as a table, pedigree chart, or some other format.

Will English speaking visitors get confused on this page:
http://home.no.net/ingernet/genealogy/

I went to your page labeled "ancestor list." I did become confused
because it looks like you simply numbered your ancestors consecutively.

I didn't!

Which makes me a perfect test case as a dumb American. :-)

If I change it to Anhnentafel, will it be obvious to any visitor that I
have used that numbering system? I understand that it isn't obvious to
you the way it is now!

Hopefully others will answer as well. The term Ahnentafel is very clear to
me, and I would understand exactly what I was looking at if I saw that
heading. I may not be representative of other English speakers, though, or
even of other Americans.

Best regards,

Mike Curtis

StanBarras

Re: Ahnentafel vs ancestors list

Legg inn av StanBarras » 08 des 2004 22:15:34

I see you have received some advice concerning numbering systems.
Most genealogy programs allow you to have an ID number and some sort of
reference number. What I do is let the program assign an ID number as I add
people but then give them a reference number that matches their position in
the ahnentafel system. Also you can sort people either by ID or reference
number for various reports and lists.
Stan.

"Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen" <Inger@neseblod.invalid> wrote in message
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Is "ahnentafel" just the hard way of spelling
"ancestors list"?
Or is ahnentafel the correct and commonly used
term for a numbered list of one's ancestors?
Will English speaking visitors get confused on
this page:
http://home.no.net/ingernet/genealogy/
Which term should I use, any advice?

--
Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen
http://home.no.net/ingernet/

Inger Helene Falch-Jacobs

Re: Ahnentafel vs ancestors list

Legg inn av Inger Helene Falch-Jacobs » 11 des 2004 23:28:55

Mike Curtis wrote:

Yes, Ahnentafel strictly refers to the numbering system. It could be
shown as a table, pedigree chart, or some other format.

Hopefully others will answer as well. The term Ahnentafel is very clear
to me, and I would understand exactly what I was looking at if I saw
that heading. I may not be representative of other English speakers,
though, or even of other Americans.

You have been very helpful, Mike, the terms make
more sense to me now. I have changed the link text
to Ahnentafel, it looks like this is the best choice.

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Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen
http://home.no.net/ingernet/

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