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Hugh Willmer

genealogy program

Legg inn av Hugh Willmer » 06 des 2004 16:38:38

Hi im starting from scratch to research my familt tree and what pc program
you would recommend to use to record all the imformation, as there seems to
be so many on the market. Im not worried about paying for one , i just want
to start of with a good one ,thanks

Otto Jørgensen

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av Otto Jørgensen » 06 des 2004 17:11:45

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:38:38 -0000, in alt.genealogy "Hugh Willmer"
<hugh@willmer2.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

Hi im starting from scratch to research my familt tree and what pc program
you would recommend to use to record all the imformation, as there seems to
be so many on the market. Im not worried about paying for one , i just want
to start of with a good one ,thanks


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Mick Gurling

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av Mick Gurling » 06 des 2004 17:26:50

"Hugh Willmer" <hugh@willmer2.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Hi im starting from scratch to research my familt tree and what pc program
you would recommend to use to record all the imformation, as there seems
to
be so many on the market. Im not worried about paying for one , i just
want
to start of with a good one ,thanks


I would honestly recommend you start with one of the available free programs

like Legacy http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ or PAF
http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wcs/st ... wnloadView and
get used to your research style and needs. Then if you wish to change to one
of the commercial packages you'll have an informed wish list of features to
seek. Any reasonable commercial package will import data from the above
programs.

Mickg

Hugh Willmer

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av Hugh Willmer » 06 des 2004 17:37:07

Thanks for your help im sure you all get fed up with quetions like that and
i appreciate you replying, ive just come across genes reunited anyfeed back
on that site?

David J Grimshaw

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av David J Grimshaw » 06 des 2004 18:24:34

Hugh Willmer wrote:
Hi im starting from scratch to research my familt tree and what pc program
you would recommend to use to record all the imformation, as there seems to
be so many on the market. Im not worried about paying for one , i just want
to start of with a good one ,thanks


Hi Hugh,

For a starter regarding a good Genealogy program one good say they are
all good, but they all have areas that are not so good and this depends
on your personal requirements.
I recommend where possible to see the program up and going.
If you have a Genelogical group in your area contact them talk to the
members with computers as most will have a Genealogical program.
The more you see the better idea you will get as to what you like as
there is no perfect Genealogical program.
You may end up using two differant programs.
I personally have used about four differant programs but now use two
these being Family Tree Maker and Legacy, I mainly use Legacy as at the
end of the day I feel that the makers of Legacy are not out to rip me
off by expecting one to pay for so called up dates every six months or so.
I personally would recommend Legacy as I veiw this program highly, this
highly acclaimed genealogy program can be downloaded FREE at
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Index.asp?mid=38KJlAi

bbgo

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av bbgo » 08 des 2004 19:01:46

In message <cp21rb$k46$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Hugh Willmer
<hugh@willmer2.freeserve.co.uk> writes
Thanks for your help im sure you all get fed up with quetions like that and
i appreciate you replying, ive just come across genes reunited anyfeed back
on that site?


I have found it great in giving me branches that I did not know existed.

A great £7.50 worth.

--
Regards, Brian Gough, Saffron Walden, Essex, UK
To reply by E-mail, please use bri.gough@ntlworld.com

Researching: Smith & Webb in Harwich; Warner in Suffolk; Harvey in London (East
End); White & Parr in the Midlands; Gough, Lavender, Hipkiss, Summers in
Birmingham/Aston: Dawson, Shaw, Gunby, Bateman in Lincolnshire; Hornby in
Cheshire and Lancashire; Ravenhill anywhere: All years

bbgo

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av bbgo » 08 des 2004 19:09:20

In message <btxnV1KFG0tBFwW2@ntlworld.com>, bbgo <bbgo@ntlworld.com>
writes
In message <cp21rb$k46$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Hugh Willmer
hugh@willmer2.freeserve.co.uk> writes
Thanks for your help im sure you all get fed up with quetions like that and
i appreciate you replying, ive just come across genes reunited anyfeed back
on that site?


I have found it great in giving me branches that I did not know
existed. A great £7.50 worth.

Forgot to say you do need to check on the sources of the data provided

by others.
--
Regards, Brian Gough, Saffron Walden, Essex, UK
To reply by E-mail, please use bri.gough@ntlworld.com

Researching: Smith & Webb in Harwich; Warner in Suffolk; Harvey in London (East
End); White & Parr in the Midlands; Gough, Lavender, Hipkiss, Summers in
Birmingham/Aston: Dawson, Shaw, Gunby, Bateman in Lincolnshire; Hornby in
Lancashire & Cheshire; Ravenhill anywhere: All years

William Barfieldsr

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av William Barfieldsr » 12 des 2004 21:01:02

"Mick Gurling" <mickg.SpamTrap@toto.com> wrote in message
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"Hugh Willmer" <hugh@willmer2.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cp1udn$26t$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
Hi im starting from scratch to research my familt tree and what pc
program
you would recommend to use to record all the imformation, as there seems
to
be so many on the market. Im not worried about paying for one , i just
want
to start of with a good one ,thanks


I would honestly recommend you start with one of the available free
programs
like Legacy http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ or PAF
http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wcs/st ... wnloadView
and
get used to your research style and needs. Then if you wish to change to
one
of the commercial packages you'll have an informed wish list of features
to
seek. Any reasonable commercial package will import data from the above
programs.

Mickg


Is there a program for making gedcoms and exporting them with ALL the

information intact and possibly making a webpage. I am using the free PAF
genealogy program from the LDS church and I am very frustrated when it
changes the names of people it considers as"Living". I made a webpage with
it and it replaced all the living names with just "Living". If I had wanted
that done, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of entering the information
in the first place. Is there a program out there that doesn't "CENSURE" what
I have entered?
--
William Barfieldsr

MikeS

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av MikeS » 12 des 2004 21:28:12

"William Barfieldsr" <wbarfieldsr@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:10rp8mc3u7ci099@corp.supernews.com...
Is there a program for making gedcoms and exporting them with ALL the
information intact and possibly making a webpage. I am using the free PAF
genealogy program from the LDS church and I am very frustrated when it
changes the names of people it considers as"Living". I made a webpage with
it and it replaced all the living names with just "Living". If I had
wanted
that done, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of entering the information
in the first place. Is there a program out there that doesn't "CENSURE"
what
I have entered?

Hi William,

PAF has done you a favor. Frankly, you shouldn't post "Living" individuals
data on a website. You open the "Living" to identity theft and yourself to
liability for releasing the data without written permission.

Mike

William Barfieldsr

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av William Barfieldsr » 12 des 2004 22:01:01

"MikeS" <archangel@heaven.com> wrote in message
news:wR1vd.28221$yf.11767@fe2.texas.rr.com...
"William Barfieldsr" <wbarfieldsr@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:10rp8mc3u7ci099@corp.supernews.com...
Is there a program for making gedcoms and exporting them with ALL the
information intact and possibly making a webpage. I am using the free
PAF
genealogy program from the LDS church and I am very frustrated when it
changes the names of people it considers as"Living". I made a webpage
with
it and it replaced all the living names with just "Living". If I had
wanted
that done, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of entering the
information
in the first place. Is there a program out there that doesn't "CENSURE"
what
I have entered?

Hi William,

PAF has done you a favor. Frankly, you shouldn't post "Living"
individuals
data on a website. You open the "Living" to identity theft and yourself
to
liability for releasing the data without written permission.

Mike


Sorry Mike, it wasn't a question of whether I should or should not post

"Living" individuals data on a website or even open the "Living" to
identity theft and myself to liability for releasing the data without
written permission. I think you need to go back and reread the question
because you certainly didn't in no way try to answer it.

--
William Barfieldsr

William Barfieldsr

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av William Barfieldsr » 12 des 2004 22:20:02

"William Barfieldsr" <wbarfieldsr@grandecom.net> wrote in message
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"MikeS" <archangel@heaven.com> wrote in message
news:wR1vd.28221$yf.11767@fe2.texas.rr.com...

"William Barfieldsr" <wbarfieldsr@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:10rp8mc3u7ci099@corp.supernews.com...
Is there a program for making gedcoms and exporting them with ALL the
information intact and possibly making a webpage. I am using the free
PAF
genealogy program from the LDS church and I am very frustrated when it
changes the names of people it considers as"Living". I made a webpage
with
it and it replaced all the living names with just "Living". If I had
wanted
that done, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of entering the
information
in the first place. Is there a program out there that doesn't
"CENSURE"
what
I have entered?

Hi William,

PAF has done you a favor. Frankly, you shouldn't post "Living"
individuals
data on a website. You open the "Living" to identity theft and
yourself
to
liability for releasing the data without written permission.

Mike


Sorry Mike, it wasn't a question of whether I should or should not post
"Living" individuals data on a website or even open the "Living" to
identity theft and myself to liability for releasing the data without
written permission. I think you need to go back and reread the question
because you certainly didn't in no way try to answer it.

BTW, you can't steal a person's identity with just their name. If that was
all that was needed for theft identity, one could find all the names one
wanted, with addresses and phone numbers, by just looking in the phone book.

--
William Barfieldsr

James A. Doemer

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 12 des 2004 22:22:08

William Barfieldsr <wbarfieldsr@grandecom.net> wrote:
"William Barfieldsr" <wbarfieldsr@grandecom.net> wrote in message
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"MikeS" <archangel@heaven.com> wrote in message
news:wR1vd.28221$yf.11767@fe2.texas.rr.com...

"William Barfieldsr" <wbarfieldsr@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:10rp8mc3u7ci099@corp.supernews.com...
Is there a program for making gedcoms and exporting them with ALL
the information intact and possibly making a webpage. I am using
the free PAF genealogy program from the LDS church and I am very
frustrated when it changes the names of people it considers
as"Living". I made a webpage with it and it replaced all the
living names with just "Living". If I had wanted
that done, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of entering the
information in the first place. Is there a program out there that
doesn't "CENSURE" what
I have entered?

Hi William,

PAF has done you a favor. Frankly, you shouldn't post "Living"
individuals data on a website. You open the "Living" to identity
theft and yourself to liability for releasing the data without
written permission.

Mike


Sorry Mike, it wasn't a question of whether I should or should not
post "Living" individuals data on a website or even open the
"Living" to identity theft and myself to liability for releasing
the data without written permission. I think you need to go back and
reread the question because you certainly didn't in no way try to
answer it.

BTW, you can't steal a person's identity with just their name. If
that was all that was needed for theft identity, one could find all
the names one wanted, with addresses and phone numbers, by just
looking in the phone book.

--
William Barfieldsr

I was thinking the same thing. I'm no expert on identity theft, but it
seems like you would need a social security number, or drivers license
number, or something.

Sherry

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av Sherry » 12 des 2004 22:57:42

"William Barfieldsr" <wbarfieldsr@grandecom.net> wrote in
news:10rp8mc3u7ci099@corp.supernews.com:

<snip>


Is there a program for making gedcoms and exporting them with ALL
the information intact and possibly making a webpage. I am using the
free PAF genealogy program from the LDS church and I am very
frustrated when it changes the names of people it considers
as"Living". I made a webpage with it and it replaced all the living
names with just "Living". If I had wanted that done, I wouldn't have
gone to the trouble of entering the information in the first place.
Is there a program out there that doesn't "CENSURE" what I have
entered?


Do you have *permission* from those living people to post their names
and information to a website?

I was quite upset a couple of years back to find *my* information
posted to a website by someone I didn't give it to - I had shared it
with another person, who most likely had shared it with this third
person and not just the names, but birthdates and other info that we
considered "private". It took some strong threats to convince him to
even respond to me, let alone remove the info! Heaven knows who has
the info now....

Names, birthdates and mother's maiden name are unfortunately used to
identify an individual for banking and other things.

Some of my family members are very "private" and don't even like to be
listed in the local phone book!

Sherry

Dave Hinz

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 13 des 2004 16:28:26

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:08:31 -0600, William Barfieldsr <wbarfieldsr@grandecom.net> wrote:

Sorry Mike, it wasn't a question of whether I should or should not post
"Living" individuals data on a website or even open the "Living" to
identity theft and myself to liability for releasing the data without
written permission. I think you need to go back and reread the question
because you certainly didn't in no way try to answer it.

I think you need to go read "How to ask qusetions the smart way", at
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
....before you alienate the _entire_ online community.

singhals

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av singhals » 13 des 2004 16:40:16

William Barfieldsr wrote:

"MikeS" <archangel@heaven.com> wrote in message
news:wR1vd.28221$yf.11767@fe2.texas.rr.com...

"William Barfieldsr" <wbarfieldsr@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:10rp8mc3u7ci099@corp.supernews.com...

Is there a program for making gedcoms and exporting them with ALL the
information intact and possibly making a webpage. I am using the free

PAF

genealogy program from the LDS church and I am very frustrated when it
changes the names of people it considers as"Living". I made a webpage

with

it and it replaced all the living names with just "Living". If I had
wanted
that done, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of entering the

information

in the first place. Is there a program out there that doesn't "CENSURE"
what
I have entered?

Hi William,

PAF has done you a favor. Frankly, you shouldn't post "Living"

individuals

data on a website. You open the "Living" to identity theft and yourself

to

liability for releasing the data without written permission.

Mike



Sorry Mike, it wasn't a question of whether I should or should not post
"Living" individuals data on a website or even open the "Living" to
identity theft and myself to liability for releasing the data without
written permission. I think you need to go back and reread the question
because you certainly didn't in no way try to answer it.


Yes, there's a way, but after that swipe, find it yerself.

Cheryl

William Barfieldsr

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av William Barfieldsr » 13 des 2004 19:28:13

I would never post information about anyone that wasn't already in the
public domain or that wasn't readily available to the public as in the phone
book or other public places. Any information I post that isn't readily
available to anyone, I will have their permission to do so. If ever I do
post something about someone and they contact me and explain to me that the
information posted is of a private nature I would always remove it with an
apology. It was not my intention to start a war here. I have found that it
most likely was the web host that edited out this information, if I used
another editor besides PAF to create web pages. When using PAF to create web
pages it does the editing. I was trying to find a program that would create
a web page as easy as the PAF program but keep all the information just as I
had entered it. Knowing now that it was the host, RootsWeb Free Pages, that
edits the information I would post a web site with a host that doesn't edit
out my information.
--
William Barfieldsr
"Sherry" <sherdh@excite.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95BD8E0BCAC8DTansyRagwortNetscape@130.133.1.4...
"William Barfieldsr" <wbarfieldsr@grandecom.net> wrote in
news:10rp8mc3u7ci099@corp.supernews.com:

snip


Is there a program for making gedcoms and exporting them with ALL
the information intact and possibly making a webpage. I am using the
free PAF genealogy program from the LDS church and I am very
frustrated when it changes the names of people it considers
as"Living". I made a webpage with it and it replaced all the living
names with just "Living". If I had wanted that done, I wouldn't have
gone to the trouble of entering the information in the first place.
Is there a program out there that doesn't "CENSURE" what I have
entered?


Do you have *permission* from those living people to post their names
and information to a website?

I was quite upset a couple of years back to find *my* information
posted to a website by someone I didn't give it to - I had shared it
with another person, who most likely had shared it with this third
person and not just the names, but birthdates and other info that we
considered "private". It took some strong threats to convince him to
even respond to me, let alone remove the info! Heaven knows who has
the info now....

Names, birthdates and mother's maiden name are unfortunately used to
identify an individual for banking and other things.

Some of my family members are very "private" and don't even like to be
listed in the local phone book!

Sherry

Doug Chadduck

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av Doug Chadduck » 14 des 2004 03:50:17

William Barfieldsr wrote:

I would never post information about anyone that wasn't already in the
public domain or that wasn't readily available to the public as in the phone
book or other public places. Any information I post that isn't readily
available to anyone, I will have their permission to do so. If ever I do
post something about someone and they contact me and explain to me that the
information posted is of a private nature I would always remove it with an
apology. It was not my intention to start a war here. I have found that it
most likely was the web host that edited out this information, if I used
another editor besides PAF to create web pages. When using PAF to create web
pages it does the editing. I was trying to find a program that would create
a web page as easy as the PAF program but keep all the information just as I
had entered it. Knowing now that it was the host, RootsWeb Free Pages, that
edits the information I would post a web site with a host that doesn't edit
out my information.

William, this is not directed at you but is only directed at the subject
matter.

My name is in the public domain.
Where is the line drawn?
My birthday is in the public domain.
Is this where the line is drawn?
My birth place is in the public domain.
Is the line drawn here?
My phone number is in the public domain.
Or maybe here?
My address is in the public domain.
Is this where the line gets drawn?
My military record including my retired status is in the public domain.
Maybe draw the line here.
My vehicles are in the public domain.
Someone may enjoy knowing what I drive.
The value of my home is in the public domain.
Got a nice chunk of equity here.

I'm hoping the line is drawn somewhere prior to here though.

My wife's name is in the public domain.

Now we're in a whole different ball park.

My children's names are in the public domain.

Now someone is gonna dance! My line has been crossed BIG TIME.

The word discretion comes to mind.
The word respect comes to mind.
Just plain common curtesy comes to mind.

My practice is to publish or share nothing from my parent's generation
forward. I still have living aunts and uncles. The previous generation
is gone on both sides of my family but if I don't know you as family,
then you better have a good reason before I'll even share my
grandparent's generation. Before that is fair game.

YMMV

William Barfieldsr

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av William Barfieldsr » 16 des 2004 18:10:02

"Doug Chadduck" <dchadduck@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Jxsvd.566092$D%.398176@attbi_s51...

William Barfieldsr wrote:

I would never post information about anyone that wasn't already in the
public domain or that wasn't readily available to the public as in the
phone
book or other public places. Any information I post that isn't readily
available to anyone, I will have their permission to do so. If ever I do
post something about someone and they contact me and explain to me that
the
information posted is of a private nature I would always remove it with
an
apology. It was not my intention to start a war here. I have found that
it
most likely was the web host that edited out this information, if I used
another editor besides PAF to create web pages. When using PAF to create
web
pages it does the editing. I was trying to find a program that would
create
a web page as easy as the PAF program but keep all the information just
as I
had entered it. Knowing now that it was the host, RootsWeb Free Pages,
that
edits the information I would post a web site with a host that doesn't
edit
out my information.

William, this is not directed at you but is only directed at the subject
matter.

My name is in the public domain.
Where is the line drawn?
My birthday is in the public domain.
Is this where the line is drawn?
My birth place is in the public domain.
Is the line drawn here?
My phone number is in the public domain.
Or maybe here?
My address is in the public domain.
Is this where the line gets drawn?
My military record including my retired status is in the public domain.
Maybe draw the line here.
My vehicles are in the public domain.
Someone may enjoy knowing what I drive.
The value of my home is in the public domain.
Got a nice chunk of equity here.

I'm hoping the line is drawn somewhere prior to here though.

My wife's name is in the public domain.

Now we're in a whole different ball park.

My children's names are in the public domain.

Now someone is gonna dance! My line has been crossed BIG TIME.

The word discretion comes to mind.
The word respect comes to mind.
Just plain common curtesy comes to mind.

My practice is to publish or share nothing from my parent's generation
forward. I still have living aunts and uncles. The previous generation
is gone on both sides of my family but if I don't know you as family,
then you better have a good reason before I'll even share my
grandparent's generation. Before that is fair game.

YMMV



It is the sad truth, that someone who is in the business of stealing
someone's identity Will have already checked those sources, then use those
sources to gleen the information that is not in the public domain. Nearly
all stores we, speaking about all of us, do business with keeps a log of our
purchases as well as our addresses and then sells that information to other
companies or to whom ever will pay for it, so they in turn can try to sell
you something or use that information as they wish. A lot of our own
Internet Service Providers try to do the same thing by loging our movments
on the internet not to mention all the spyware that is constantly attempting
it infiltrate our computers without our even knowing it has been installed
on our computers. Insurance companies are the biggest gatherers of
inforation and utilize a large clearing house where everyone has a file from
birth to the grave, everytime you see a doctor, have a perscription filled
or if you are involved in a car accident, that infromation is fed into your
file. Sorry for all this OT stuff and this is the last I'll say on this
subject.
--
William Barfieldsr

Nearl J Icarus

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av Nearl J Icarus » 02 jan 2005 06:00:04

In article <wR1vd.28221$yf.11767@fe2.texas.rr.com>, archangel@heaven.com
says...

data on a website. You open the "Living" to identity theft and yourself to
liability for releasing the data without written permission.

Does that apply to phone books as well? So of I tell you I have a cousin by
the name of Sharon Taft she can sue me for it? ooops...

William Barfieldsr

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av William Barfieldsr » 02 jan 2005 18:20:02

"Nearl J Icarus" <nj_toothenbecker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0dLBd.65694$Jk5.39601@lakeread01...
In article <wR1vd.28221$yf.11767@fe2.texas.rr.com>, archangel@heaven.com
says...

data on a website. You open the "Living" to identity theft and yourself
to
liability for releasing the data without written permission.

Does that apply to phone books as well? So of I tell you I have a cousin
by
the name of Sharon Taft she can sue me for it? ooops...


Some people forget just how much information is already in the public eye.
If it is already publicly disclosed then there should be no problem. If
there is a non-discloser contract and you publish that information, then you
will have problems. As far as identity theft, they need more than just a
name, however if they are really determined, it doesn't matter what you do
they will find a way.
--
William Barfieldsr

Gjest

Re: genealogy program

Legg inn av Gjest » 03 jan 2005 12:05:30

"Publicly disclosed" is surely not the same as "available from any
computer anywhere in the world."

When folks have to put forth some effort to get information about
people, like having to dig through records themselves or go to the site
where the records are, it would seem to me to lessen the 'threat' of
identity theft. Putting everything online just makes it easier for such
thieves.

JMHO

tootncmon

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