1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
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Guenter Dannoritzer
1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Hi,
Would somebody be so kind and look up:
Lester Samueal Horn, born May 12, 1884 in Texas, died June 27, 1927 in
Duncan OK.
Thanks
Guenter
Would somebody be so kind and look up:
Lester Samueal Horn, born May 12, 1884 in Texas, died June 27, 1927 in
Duncan OK.
Thanks
Guenter
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Joe Pessarra
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
"Guenter Dannoritzer" <dan_nospam_noritzer@web.de> wrote in message
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Could this be your man? Age looks about right, but birthplace shows to be
Alabama.
Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year
HORN LESTER 27 M W AL TX WOOD 4 J-PCT 1910
Good luck on your search.
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Joe in Georgetown, Texas
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Hi,
Would somebody be so kind and look up:
Lester Samueal Horn, born May 12, 1884 in Texas, died June 27, 1927 in
Duncan OK.
Thanks
Guenter
Could this be your man? Age looks about right, but birthplace shows to be
Alabama.
Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year
HORN LESTER 27 M W AL TX WOOD 4 J-PCT 1910
Good luck on your search.
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Joe in Georgetown, Texas
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Guenter Dannoritzer
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Hello Joe,
Joe Pessarra wrote:
[snip]
It might be possible, I don't have any information about where he was
born, just when.
He married in Dec 1910 Genete Dodd in Naples, TX.
I looked up Naples and it seems to be in Morris County, so that would
not match Wood County.
I am actually looking for information about Lester's parents.
Guenter
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Joe Pessarra wrote:
[snip]
Could this be your man? Age looks about right, but birthplace shows to be
Alabama.
Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year
HORN LESTER 27 M W AL TX WOOD 4 J-PCT 1910
Good luck on your search.
It might be possible, I don't have any information about where he was
born, just when.
He married in Dec 1910 Genete Dodd in Naples, TX.
I looked up Naples and it seems to be in Morris County, so that would
not match Wood County.
I am actually looking for information about Lester's parents.
Guenter
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Robert Heiling
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
Hallo Guenter
And here's another one for you to think about if you want to consider a
very close discrepancy in birthdates. There is a:
Sam Horn, b. Apr 1884, age 16, born Texas as were both parents. He was
enumerated in Texas, Panola, Justice Precinct No. 2 (part of) on 14 June
1900 and was living with his uncle, George & Nettie Jenks.
Series: T623 Roll: 1663 Page: 71
I can send you the census image if you'd like.
MfG
Bob
Hi,
Would somebody be so kind and look up:
Lester Samueal Horn, born May 12, 1884 in Texas, died June 27, 1927 in
Duncan OK.
Hallo Guenter
And here's another one for you to think about if you want to consider a
very close discrepancy in birthdates. There is a:
Sam Horn, b. Apr 1884, age 16, born Texas as were both parents. He was
enumerated in Texas, Panola, Justice Precinct No. 2 (part of) on 14 June
1900 and was living with his uncle, George & Nettie Jenks.
Series: T623 Roll: 1663 Page: 71
I can send you the census image if you'd like.
MfG
Bob
Thanks
Guenter
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Robert Heiling
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Robert Heiling wrote:
And here is what appears to be the same man in 1910:
HORN SAMUEL 25 M B TX TX FREESTONE TEAGUE 1910
Series: T624 Roll: 1553 Page: 193
What is interesting about the age 25 is that the census was taken on 8 May
1910 and, if he really is your man, he would have been 25 and not 26 yet. I
think that adds to his being the right guy.
None of this solves your basic stated issue in regard to his parents, but
you do know now that his father was a HORN and his mother was a JENKS. So
that's the combination that needs to be looked for.
There is another problem in that you said:
He married in Dec 1910 Genete Dodd in Naples, TX.
and this man is already married
MfG
Bob
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
Hi,
Would somebody be so kind and look up:
Lester Samueal Horn, born May 12, 1884 in Texas, died June 27, 1927 in
Duncan OK.
Hallo Guenter
And here's another one for you to think about if you want to consider a
very close discrepancy in birthdates. There is a:
Sam Horn, b. Apr 1884, age 16, born Texas as were both parents. He was
enumerated in Texas, Panola, Justice Precinct No. 2 (part of) on 14 June
1900 and was living with his uncle, George & Nettie Jenks.
Series: T623 Roll: 1663 Page: 71
And here is what appears to be the same man in 1910:
HORN SAMUEL 25 M B TX TX FREESTONE TEAGUE 1910
Series: T624 Roll: 1553 Page: 193
What is interesting about the age 25 is that the census was taken on 8 May
1910 and, if he really is your man, he would have been 25 and not 26 yet. I
think that adds to his being the right guy.
None of this solves your basic stated issue in regard to his parents, but
you do know now that his father was a HORN and his mother was a JENKS. So
that's the combination that needs to be looked for.
There is another problem in that you said:
He married in Dec 1910 Genete Dodd in Naples, TX.
and this man is already married
MfG
Bob
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Guenter Dannoritzer
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Hi Bob,
Robert Heiling wrote:
[snip]
If I understand the print out right, this man was African-American
origin? The one I am looking for was Caucasian.
Guenter
Robert Heiling wrote:
[snip]
Hallo Guenter
And here's another one for you to think about if you want to consider a
very close discrepancy in birthdates. There is a:
Sam Horn, b. Apr 1884, age 16, born Texas as were both parents. He was
enumerated in Texas, Panola, Justice Precinct No. 2 (part of) on 14 June
1900 and was living with his uncle, George & Nettie Jenks.
Series: T623 Roll: 1663 Page: 71
And here is what appears to be the same man in 1910:
HORN SAMUEL 25 M B TX TX FREESTONE TEAGUE 1910
Series: T624 Roll: 1553 Page: 193
What is interesting about the age 25 is that the census was taken on 8 May
1910 and, if he really is your man, he would have been 25 and not 26 yet. I
think that adds to his being the right guy.
None of this solves your basic stated issue in regard to his parents, but
you do know now that his father was a HORN and his mother was a JENKS. So
that's the combination that needs to be looked for.
There is another problem in that you said:
He married in Dec 1910 Genete Dodd in Naples, TX.
and this man is already married
MfG
Bob
If I understand the print out right, this man was African-American
origin? The one I am looking for was Caucasian.
Guenter
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Guenter Dannoritzer
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Hello,
And thanks to Joe and Bob for the look up.
I am pretty new to researching with censures. I read an introduction
document about censures and it says that after 1900 the most detailed
information are contained in censures. Also it said to look for several
family members to verify the result.
When searching for Lester Samual, would it be more benefitial to do a
cross search for his wife Genete Dodd or start with one of his sons,
like JT Horn, born 1919 in Grand Saline, TX?
My goal is to find something about Lester's parents.
Thanks for the help.
Guenter
And thanks to Joe and Bob for the look up.
I am pretty new to researching with censures. I read an introduction
document about censures and it says that after 1900 the most detailed
information are contained in censures. Also it said to look for several
family members to verify the result.
When searching for Lester Samual, would it be more benefitial to do a
cross search for his wife Genete Dodd or start with one of his sons,
like JT Horn, born 1919 in Grand Saline, TX?
My goal is to find something about Lester's parents.
Thanks for the help.
Guenter
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Joe Pessarra
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
"Guenter Dannoritzer" <dan_nospam_noritzer@web.de> wrote in message
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Could not find the post that Bob sent. But, here is another possibility.
Surname GivenName Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location
Year
HORN LESTER 38 M B TX OK MUSKOGEE 4-WD; MUSKOGEE 1920
However, his wife is not named Genete, and they have no one year old son.
I had tried to find Genete Dodd with no results.
How did you arrive at this person, Lester Horn, if you did not know parents'
names? What is Lester's relationship to you? A little more information
would help in deciding where to search.
Joe in Georgetown, Texas
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Hello,
And thanks to Joe and Bob for the look up.
I am pretty new to researching with censures. I read an introduction
document about censures and it says that after 1900 the most detailed
information are contained in censures. Also it said to look for several
family members to verify the result.
When searching for Lester Samual, would it be more benefitial to do a
cross search for his wife Genete Dodd or start with one of his sons,
like JT Horn, born 1919 in Grand Saline, TX?
My goal is to find something about Lester's parents.
Thanks for the help.
Guenter
Could not find the post that Bob sent. But, here is another possibility.
Surname GivenName Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location
Year
HORN LESTER 38 M B TX OK MUSKOGEE 4-WD; MUSKOGEE 1920
However, his wife is not named Genete, and they have no one year old son.
I had tried to find Genete Dodd with no results.
How did you arrive at this person, Lester Horn, if you did not know parents'
names? What is Lester's relationship to you? A little more information
would help in deciding where to search.
Joe in Georgetown, Texas
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Robert Heiling
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
That's the type of information that is helpful & needed for doing
lookups.Your basic information got snipped also and that's a pain, so I'll
put it back in the thread here:
Lester Samueal Horn, born May 12, 1884 in Texas, died June 27, 1927 in
Duncan OK. He married in Dec 1910 Genete Dodd in Naples, TX.
Grand Saline is in Van Zandt County and for 1920 there is:
HORN LESTER 38 M W AL TX VAN ZANDT 4-PCT 1920
His wife Netie, age 32, is a very good match for Genete. Children are son
Nallis age 6 and dau Allie age 3. JT could be with the grandparents? Who
know? But let's first determine if this is the right person. A lot of
information doesn't agree.
Bob
I am pretty new to researching with censures. I read an introduction
document about censures and it says that after 1900 the most detailed
information are contained in censures. Also it said to look for several
family members to verify the result.
When searching for Lester Samual, would it be more benefitial to do a
cross search for his wife Genete Dodd or start with one of his sons,
like JT Horn, born 1919 in Grand Saline, TX?
That's the type of information that is helpful & needed for doing
lookups.Your basic information got snipped also and that's a pain, so I'll
put it back in the thread here:
Lester Samueal Horn, born May 12, 1884 in Texas, died June 27, 1927 in
Duncan OK. He married in Dec 1910 Genete Dodd in Naples, TX.
Grand Saline is in Van Zandt County and for 1920 there is:
HORN LESTER 38 M W AL TX VAN ZANDT 4-PCT 1920
His wife Netie, age 32, is a very good match for Genete. Children are son
Nallis age 6 and dau Allie age 3. JT could be with the grandparents? Who
know? But let's first determine if this is the right person. A lot of
information doesn't agree.
Bob
My goal is to find something about Lester's parents.
Thanks for the help.
Guenter
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Robert Heiling
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Robert Heiling wrote:
I need to correct myself as all the information does agree except for the
absence of JT. The 1920 was enumerated on 19 June 1920 so that age 38 is
correct. Then looking for a birthplace of Alabama, this following was
enumerated on 6 May 1910 so that age 27 is correct also.
HORN LESTER 27 M W AL TX WOOD 4 J-PCT 1910
He is single, laborer, and enumerated with a John Stokes(33) & Lucy &
children. John was born in Texas, but both parents were born Alabama.
Bob.
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
I am pretty new to researching with censures. I read an introduction
document about censures and it says that after 1900 the most detailed
information are contained in censures. Also it said to look for several
family members to verify the result.
When searching for Lester Samual, would it be more benefitial to do a
cross search for his wife Genete Dodd or start with one of his sons,
like JT Horn, born 1919 in Grand Saline, TX?
That's the type of information that is helpful & needed for doing
lookups.Your basic information got snipped also and that's a pain, so I'll
put it back in the thread here:
Lester Samueal Horn, born May 12, 1884 in Texas, died June 27, 1927 in
Duncan OK. He married in Dec 1910 Genete Dodd in Naples, TX.
Grand Saline is in Van Zandt County and for 1920 there is:
HORN LESTER 38 M W AL TX VAN ZANDT 4-PCT 1920
His wife Netie, age 32, is a very good match for Genete. Children are son
Nallis age 6 and dau Allie age 3. JT could be with the grandparents? Who
know? But let's first determine if this is the right person. A lot of
information doesn't agree.
I need to correct myself as all the information does agree except for the
absence of JT. The 1920 was enumerated on 19 June 1920 so that age 38 is
correct. Then looking for a birthplace of Alabama, this following was
enumerated on 6 May 1910 so that age 27 is correct also.
HORN LESTER 27 M W AL TX WOOD 4 J-PCT 1910
He is single, laborer, and enumerated with a John Stokes(33) & Lucy &
children. John was born in Texas, but both parents were born Alabama.
Bob.
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Tara
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I think Bob's right about the Wood Co. 1910 and Van Zandt Co. 1920 Lesters
probably being the same. Wood Co. is about half way between Morris Co.,
where they were married, and Van Zandt Co. About a hundred miles travel
between all 3 counties. Genette/Nettie Dodd seems to be with her parents,
James and Elsa, in Morris Co, TX in 1910 and in Jackson Co. AL in 1900. In
the 1920 census, the writing is pretty bad. The children's names might be
Hollis, age 8, and Allis, age 3. Does that ring any bells? I can't find JT
either....
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Robert Heiling wrote:
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
I am pretty new to researching with censures. I read an introduction
document about censures and it says that after 1900 the most detailed
information are contained in censures. Also it said to look for several
family members to verify the result.
When searching for Lester Samual, would it be more benefitial to do a
cross search for his wife Genete Dodd or start with one of his sons,
like JT Horn, born 1919 in Grand Saline, TX?
That's the type of information that is helpful & needed for doing
lookups.Your basic information got snipped also and that's a pain, so
I'll
put it back in the thread here:
Lester Samueal Horn, born May 12, 1884 in Texas, died June 27, 1927 in
Duncan OK. He married in Dec 1910 Genete Dodd in Naples, TX.
Grand Saline is in Van Zandt County and for 1920 there is:
HORN LESTER 38 M W AL TX VAN ZANDT 4-PCT 1920
His wife Netie, age 32, is a very good match for Genete. Children are son
Nallis age 6 and dau Allie age 3. JT could be with the grandparents? Who
know? But let's first determine if this is the right person. A lot of
information doesn't agree.
I need to correct myself as all the information does agree except for the
absence of JT. The 1920 was enumerated on 19 June 1920 so that age 38 is
correct. Then looking for a birthplace of Alabama, this following was
enumerated on 6 May 1910 so that age 27 is correct also.
HORN LESTER 27 M W AL TX WOOD 4 J-PCT 1910
He is single, laborer, and enumerated with a John Stokes(33) & Lucy &
children. John was born in Texas, but both parents were born Alabama.
Bob.
I think Bob's right about the Wood Co. 1910 and Van Zandt Co. 1920 Lesters
probably being the same. Wood Co. is about half way between Morris Co.,
where they were married, and Van Zandt Co. About a hundred miles travel
between all 3 counties. Genette/Nettie Dodd seems to be with her parents,
James and Elsa, in Morris Co, TX in 1910 and in Jackson Co. AL in 1900. In
the 1920 census, the writing is pretty bad. The children's names might be
Hollis, age 8, and Allis, age 3. Does that ring any bells? I can't find JT
either....
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Tara Larkin
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Guenter Dannoritzer
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Robert Heiling wrote:
Bob, can you explain me that with John Stokes and Lucy, are that the
siblings of Lester?
Lester had three sons. JT, born in 1919, James Hollis, born October 8,
1911 and Olli Aron, born January 24, 1917. I only know from JT that he
was born in Grant Saline, but don't know where his brothers were born.
Lester's wife, Genete Dodd was born Mai 16, 1887.
So yes, that seems to be the right person.
Sorry I am coming out so late with the information. I looked in other
threads how people asked for censures and they just wrote the name,
place of birth and birth date. Learned the lesson now.
So is it possible to find the parents to him?
Guenter
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Robert Heiling wrote:
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
I am pretty new to researching with censures. I read an introduction
document about censures and it says that after 1900 the most detailed
information are contained in censures. Also it said to look for several
family members to verify the result.
When searching for Lester Samual, would it be more benefitial to do a
cross search for his wife Genete Dodd or start with one of his sons,
like JT Horn, born 1919 in Grand Saline, TX?
That's the type of information that is helpful & needed for doing
lookups.Your basic information got snipped also and that's a pain, so I'll
put it back in the thread here:
Lester Samueal Horn, born May 12, 1884 in Texas, died June 27, 1927 in
Duncan OK. He married in Dec 1910 Genete Dodd in Naples, TX.
Grand Saline is in Van Zandt County and for 1920 there is:
HORN LESTER 38 M W AL TX VAN ZANDT 4-PCT 1920
His wife Netie, age 32, is a very good match for Genete. Children are son
Nallis age 6 and dau Allie age 3. JT could be with the grandparents? Who
know? But let's first determine if this is the right person. A lot of
information doesn't agree.
I need to correct myself as all the information does agree except for the
absence of JT. The 1920 was enumerated on 19 June 1920 so that age 38 is
correct. Then looking for a birthplace of Alabama, this following was
enumerated on 6 May 1910 so that age 27 is correct also.
HORN LESTER 27 M W AL TX WOOD 4 J-PCT 1910
He is single, laborer, and enumerated with a John Stokes(33) & Lucy &
children. John was born in Texas, but both parents were born Alabama.
Bob.
Bob, can you explain me that with John Stokes and Lucy, are that the
siblings of Lester?
Lester had three sons. JT, born in 1919, James Hollis, born October 8,
1911 and Olli Aron, born January 24, 1917. I only know from JT that he
was born in Grant Saline, but don't know where his brothers were born.
Lester's wife, Genete Dodd was born Mai 16, 1887.
So yes, that seems to be the right person.
Sorry I am coming out so late with the information. I looked in other
threads how people asked for censures and they just wrote the name,
place of birth and birth date. Learned the lesson now.
So is it possible to find the parents to him?
Guenter
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Guenter Dannoritzer
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Tara wrote:
Tara, yes that seems to be the right person. See my reply to Bob's
message. I added some more detailed information and the names of JT's
brothers.
That is strange that JT is never in a censures. Is it possible that the
reason for that is that he was still alive until recently?
Starting from that is it possible to find the parents of Lester?
Guenter
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"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Robert Heiling wrote:
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
I am pretty new to researching with censures. I read an introduction
document about censures and it says that after 1900 the most detailed
information are contained in censures. Also it said to look for several
family members to verify the result.
When searching for Lester Samual, would it be more benefitial to do a
cross search for his wife Genete Dodd or start with one of his sons,
like JT Horn, born 1919 in Grand Saline, TX?
That's the type of information that is helpful & needed for doing
lookups.Your basic information got snipped also and that's a pain, so
I'll
put it back in the thread here:
Lester Samueal Horn, born May 12, 1884 in Texas, died June 27, 1927 in
Duncan OK. He married in Dec 1910 Genete Dodd in Naples, TX.
Grand Saline is in Van Zandt County and for 1920 there is:
HORN LESTER 38 M W AL TX VAN ZANDT 4-PCT 1920
His wife Netie, age 32, is a very good match for Genete. Children are son
Nallis age 6 and dau Allie age 3. JT could be with the grandparents? Who
know? But let's first determine if this is the right person. A lot of
information doesn't agree.
I need to correct myself as all the information does agree except for the
absence of JT. The 1920 was enumerated on 19 June 1920 so that age 38 is
correct. Then looking for a birthplace of Alabama, this following was
enumerated on 6 May 1910 so that age 27 is correct also.
HORN LESTER 27 M W AL TX WOOD 4 J-PCT 1910
He is single, laborer, and enumerated with a John Stokes(33) & Lucy &
children. John was born in Texas, but both parents were born Alabama.
Bob.
I think Bob's right about the Wood Co. 1910 and Van Zandt Co. 1920 Lesters
probably being the same. Wood Co. is about half way between Morris Co.,
where they were married, and Van Zandt Co. About a hundred miles travel
between all 3 counties. Genette/Nettie Dodd seems to be with her parents,
James and Elsa, in Morris Co, TX in 1910 and in Jackson Co. AL in 1900. In
the 1920 census, the writing is pretty bad. The children's names might be
Hollis, age 8, and Allis, age 3. Does that ring any bells? I can't find JT
either....
Tara, yes that seems to be the right person. See my reply to Bob's
message. I added some more detailed information and the names of JT's
brothers.
That is strange that JT is never in a censures. Is it possible that the
reason for that is that he was still alive until recently?
Starting from that is it possible to find the parents of Lester?
Guenter
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Robert Heiling
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
I've combined the 2 messages together so that all info is together in this one.
We don't know any more about John Stokes other than that Lester was living with
him. I mentioned the fact just in case that the name Stokes was familiar to you
and because he might tie in later in this research.
That essentially agrees with the 1920 information I posted above except mainly
for the sex of Olli.
But why is there the discrepancy in Lester's birthyear? You gave us 1884. If one
just census were off, I would say that the census was wrong, but they both say
1882 and I would agree with that. What is the source of your data? I didn't
originally realize that it would have errors in it. Who is the person who
immigrated from Germany? We need more information to give us clues and to enable
us to evaluate what we've seen so far. See how much the simple clue of Grand
Saline brought us in results.
Yes. Many of those people are simply being lazy and they make the job more
difficult for the persons doing a lookup, so try not to learn from them! Your
lookup is a more difficult one also and we need more information.
He probably died before the 1920 census. Here again, how is it that you know
about him? An old letter or . . . ?
Not yet. I've looked at quite a few census sheets in Texas & Alabama for Horn
families where the head was of a right age to be Lester's parents, but that's
become tiresome. We need more clues from you!
Bob
Tara wrote:
"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Robert Heiling wrote:
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
I am pretty new to researching with censures. I read an introduction
document about censures and it says that after 1900 the most detailed
information are contained in censures. Also it said to look for several
family members to verify the result.
When searching for Lester Samual, would it be more benefitial to do a
cross search for his wife Genete Dodd or start with one of his sons,
like JT Horn, born 1919 in Grand Saline, TX?
That's the type of information that is helpful & needed for doing
lookups.Your basic information got snipped also and that's a pain, so
I'll
put it back in the thread here:
Lester Samueal Horn, born May 12, 1884 in Texas, died June 27, 1927 in
Duncan OK. He married in Dec 1910 Genete Dodd in Naples, TX.
Grand Saline is in Van Zandt County and for 1920 there is:
HORN LESTER 38 M W AL TX VAN ZANDT 4-PCT 1920
His wife Netie, age 32, is a very good match for Genete. Children are son
Nallis age 6 and dau Allie age 3. JT could be with the grandparents? Who
know? But let's first determine if this is the right person. A lot of
information doesn't agree.
I need to correct myself as all the information does agree except for the
absence of JT. The 1920 was enumerated on 19 June 1920 so that age 38 is
correct. Then looking for a birthplace of Alabama, this following was
enumerated on 6 May 1910 so that age 27 is correct also.
HORN LESTER 27 M W AL TX WOOD 4 J-PCT 1910
He is single, laborer, and enumerated with a John Stokes(33) & Lucy &
children. John was born in Texas, but both parents were born Alabama.
Bob.
I think Bob's right about the Wood Co. 1910 and Van Zandt Co. 1920 Lesters
probably being the same. Wood Co. is about half way between Morris Co.,
where they were married, and Van Zandt Co. About a hundred miles travel
between all 3 counties. Genette/Nettie Dodd seems to be with her parents,
James and Elsa, in Morris Co, TX in 1910 and in Jackson Co. AL in 1900. In
the 1920 census, the writing is pretty bad. The children's names might be
Hollis, age 8, and Allis, age 3. Does that ring any bells? I can't find JT
either....
Tara, yes that seems to be the right person. See my reply to Bob's
message. I added some more detailed information and the names of JT's
brothers.
Bob, can you explain me that with John Stokes and Lucy, are that the
siblings of Lester?
I've combined the 2 messages together so that all info is together in this one.
We don't know any more about John Stokes other than that Lester was living with
him. I mentioned the fact just in case that the name Stokes was familiar to you
and because he might tie in later in this research.
Lester had three sons. JT, born in 1919, James Hollis, born October 8,
1911 and Olli Aron, born January 24, 1917.
That essentially agrees with the 1920 information I posted above except mainly
for the sex of Olli.
I only know from JT that he
was born in Grant Saline, but don't know where his brothers were born.
Lester's wife, Genete Dodd was born Mai 16, 1887.
So yes, that seems to be the right person.
But why is there the discrepancy in Lester's birthyear? You gave us 1884. If one
just census were off, I would say that the census was wrong, but they both say
1882 and I would agree with that. What is the source of your data? I didn't
originally realize that it would have errors in it. Who is the person who
immigrated from Germany? We need more information to give us clues and to enable
us to evaluate what we've seen so far. See how much the simple clue of Grand
Saline brought us in results.
Sorry I am coming out so late with the information. I looked in other
threads how people asked for censures and they just wrote the name,
place of birth and birth date. Learned the lesson now.
Yes. Many of those people are simply being lazy and they make the job more
difficult for the persons doing a lookup, so try not to learn from them! Your
lookup is a more difficult one also and we need more information.
That is strange that JT is never in a censures. Is it possible that the
reason for that is that he was still alive until recently?
He probably died before the 1920 census. Here again, how is it that you know
about him? An old letter or . . . ?
Starting from that is it possible to find the parents of Lester?
Not yet. I've looked at quite a few census sheets in Texas & Alabama for Horn
families where the head was of a right age to be Lester's parents, but that's
become tiresome. We need more clues from you!
Bob
-
Guenter Dannoritzer
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Robert Heiling wrote:
Lester is the great-grandfather of my wife. We are living in Germany
now. So that might be confusing. My wife grew up in Oklahoma.
The information are from the grandmother of my wife. So it could be that
she was off for two years with his birthday.
I don't know when the Horn's came to the U.S. that is why I would like
to trace them back and see where they actually came from.
JT is the grandfather of my wife. He died last year. I am not sure how
detailed his death certificate would be. Do you think I might get more
information from that? He was in the 8. Airforce during the world war
II. Maybe there would be another source to find some information about
his parents?
I will see whether my mother-in-law has still some information.
The "mystery" about Lester is that he actually was murdered. So my
mother-in-law actually never met him.
Guenter
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
Tara wrote:
"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:41B49341.E6D50A7@comcast.net...
Robert Heiling wrote:
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
I am pretty new to researching with censures. I read an introduction
document about censures and it says that after 1900 the most detailed
information are contained in censures. Also it said to look for several
family members to verify the result.
When searching for Lester Samual, would it be more benefitial to do a
cross search for his wife Genete Dodd or start with one of his sons,
like JT Horn, born 1919 in Grand Saline, TX?
That's the type of information that is helpful & needed for doing
lookups.Your basic information got snipped also and that's a pain, so
I'll
put it back in the thread here:
Lester Samueal Horn, born May 12, 1884 in Texas, died June 27, 1927 in
Duncan OK. He married in Dec 1910 Genete Dodd in Naples, TX.
Grand Saline is in Van Zandt County and for 1920 there is:
HORN LESTER 38 M W AL TX VAN ZANDT 4-PCT 1920
His wife Netie, age 32, is a very good match for Genete. Children are son
Nallis age 6 and dau Allie age 3. JT could be with the grandparents? Who
know? But let's first determine if this is the right person. A lot of
information doesn't agree.
I need to correct myself as all the information does agree except for the
absence of JT. The 1920 was enumerated on 19 June 1920 so that age 38 is
correct. Then looking for a birthplace of Alabama, this following was
enumerated on 6 May 1910 so that age 27 is correct also.
HORN LESTER 27 M W AL TX WOOD 4 J-PCT 1910
He is single, laborer, and enumerated with a John Stokes(33) & Lucy &
children. John was born in Texas, but both parents were born Alabama.
Bob.
I think Bob's right about the Wood Co. 1910 and Van Zandt Co. 1920 Lesters
probably being the same. Wood Co. is about half way between Morris Co.,
where they were married, and Van Zandt Co. About a hundred miles travel
between all 3 counties. Genette/Nettie Dodd seems to be with her parents,
James and Elsa, in Morris Co, TX in 1910 and in Jackson Co. AL in 1900. In
the 1920 census, the writing is pretty bad. The children's names might be
Hollis, age 8, and Allis, age 3. Does that ring any bells? I can't find JT
either....
Tara, yes that seems to be the right person. See my reply to Bob's
message. I added some more detailed information and the names of JT's
brothers.
Bob, can you explain me that with John Stokes and Lucy, are that the
siblings of Lester?
I've combined the 2 messages together so that all info is together in this one.
We don't know any more about John Stokes other than that Lester was living with
him. I mentioned the fact just in case that the name Stokes was familiar to you
and because he might tie in later in this research.
Lester had three sons. JT, born in 1919, James Hollis, born October 8,
1911 and Olli Aron, born January 24, 1917.
That essentially agrees with the 1920 information I posted above except mainly
for the sex of Olli.
I only know from JT that he
was born in Grant Saline, but don't know where his brothers were born.
Lester's wife, Genete Dodd was born Mai 16, 1887.
So yes, that seems to be the right person.
But why is there the discrepancy in Lester's birthyear? You gave us 1884. If one
just census were off, I would say that the census was wrong, but they both say
1882 and I would agree with that. What is the source of your data? I didn't
originally realize that it would have errors in it. Who is the person who
immigrated from Germany? We need more information to give us clues and to enable
us to evaluate what we've seen so far. See how much the simple clue of Grand
Saline brought us in results.
Lester is the great-grandfather of my wife. We are living in Germany
now. So that might be confusing. My wife grew up in Oklahoma.
The information are from the grandmother of my wife. So it could be that
she was off for two years with his birthday.
I don't know when the Horn's came to the U.S. that is why I would like
to trace them back and see where they actually came from.
Sorry I am coming out so late with the information. I looked in other
threads how people asked for censures and they just wrote the name,
place of birth and birth date. Learned the lesson now.
Yes. Many of those people are simply being lazy and they make the job more
difficult for the persons doing a lookup, so try not to learn from them! Your
lookup is a more difficult one also and we need more information.
That is strange that JT is never in a censures. Is it possible that the
reason for that is that he was still alive until recently?
He probably died before the 1920 census. Here again, how is it that you know
about him? An old letter or . . . ?
JT is the grandfather of my wife. He died last year. I am not sure how
detailed his death certificate would be. Do you think I might get more
information from that? He was in the 8. Airforce during the world war
II. Maybe there would be another source to find some information about
his parents?
Starting from that is it possible to find the parents of Lester?
Not yet. I've looked at quite a few census sheets in Texas & Alabama for Horn
families where the head was of a right age to be Lester's parents, but that's
become tiresome. We need more clues from you!
Bob
I will see whether my mother-in-law has still some information.
The "mystery" about Lester is that he actually was murdered. So my
mother-in-law actually never met him.
Guenter
-
Robert Heiling
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
Actually it's Lester's DC that you need to get.
http://www.oktagagent.com/forms/brec.htm
You may also be able to locate an obituary and that murder should have generated some
newspaper articles to be searched for.
Unless someone gets lucky and finds him in the 1900 census with his parents, we may
have exhausted what census searches can do here. I'll try to come up with other ideas
and I hope that others here will do likewise.
Bob
Robert Heiling wrote:
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
Tara wrote:
"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:41B49341.E6D50A7@comcast.net...
Robert Heiling wrote:
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
I am pretty new to researching with censures. I read an introduction
document about censures and it says that after 1900 the most detailed
information are contained in censures. Also it said to look for several
family members to verify the result.
When searching for Lester Samual, would it be more benefitial to do a
cross search for his wife Genete Dodd or start with one of his sons,
like JT Horn, born 1919 in Grand Saline, TX?
That's the type of information that is helpful & needed for doing
lookups.Your basic information got snipped also and that's a pain, so
I'll
put it back in the thread here:
Lester Samueal Horn, born May 12, 1884 in Texas, died June 27, 1927 in
Duncan OK. He married in Dec 1910 Genete Dodd in Naples, TX.
Grand Saline is in Van Zandt County and for 1920 there is:
HORN LESTER 38 M W AL TX VAN ZANDT 4-PCT 1920
His wife Netie, age 32, is a very good match for Genete. Children are son
Nallis age 6 and dau Allie age 3. JT could be with the grandparents? Who
know? But let's first determine if this is the right person. A lot of
information doesn't agree.
I need to correct myself as all the information does agree except for the
absence of JT. The 1920 was enumerated on 19 June 1920 so that age 38 is
correct. Then looking for a birthplace of Alabama, this following was
enumerated on 6 May 1910 so that age 27 is correct also.
HORN LESTER 27 M W AL TX WOOD 4 J-PCT 1910
He is single, laborer, and enumerated with a John Stokes(33) & Lucy &
children. John was born in Texas, but both parents were born Alabama.
Bob.
I think Bob's right about the Wood Co. 1910 and Van Zandt Co. 1920 Lesters
probably being the same. Wood Co. is about half way between Morris Co.,
where they were married, and Van Zandt Co. About a hundred miles travel
between all 3 counties. Genette/Nettie Dodd seems to be with her parents,
James and Elsa, in Morris Co, TX in 1910 and in Jackson Co. AL in 1900. In
the 1920 census, the writing is pretty bad. The children's names might be
Hollis, age 8, and Allis, age 3. Does that ring any bells? I can't find JT
either....
Tara, yes that seems to be the right person. See my reply to Bob's
message. I added some more detailed information and the names of JT's
brothers.
Bob, can you explain me that with John Stokes and Lucy, are that the
siblings of Lester?
I've combined the 2 messages together so that all info is together in this one.
We don't know any more about John Stokes other than that Lester was living with
him. I mentioned the fact just in case that the name Stokes was familiar to you
and because he might tie in later in this research.
Lester had three sons. JT, born in 1919, James Hollis, born October 8,
1911 and Olli Aron, born January 24, 1917.
That essentially agrees with the 1920 information I posted above except mainly
for the sex of Olli.
I only know from JT that he
was born in Grant Saline, but don't know where his brothers were born.
Lester's wife, Genete Dodd was born Mai 16, 1887.
So yes, that seems to be the right person.
But why is there the discrepancy in Lester's birthyear? You gave us 1884. If one
just census were off, I would say that the census was wrong, but they both say
1882 and I would agree with that. What is the source of your data? I didn't
originally realize that it would have errors in it. Who is the person who
immigrated from Germany? We need more information to give us clues and to enable
us to evaluate what we've seen so far. See how much the simple clue of Grand
Saline brought us in results.
Lester is the great-grandfather of my wife. We are living in Germany
now. So that might be confusing. My wife grew up in Oklahoma.
The information are from the grandmother of my wife. So it could be that
she was off for two years with his birthday.
I don't know when the Horn's came to the U.S. that is why I would like
to trace them back and see where they actually came from.
JT is the grandfather of my wife. He died last year. I am not sure how
detailed his death certificate would be. Do you think I might get more
information from that? He was in the 8. Airforce during the world war
II. Maybe there would be another source to find some information about
his parents?
Actually it's Lester's DC that you need to get.
http://www.oktagagent.com/forms/brec.htm
You may also be able to locate an obituary and that murder should have generated some
newspaper articles to be searched for.
Starting from that is it possible to find the parents of Lester?
Not yet. I've looked at quite a few census sheets in Texas & Alabama for Horn
families where the head was of a right age to be Lester's parents, but that's
become tiresome. We need more clues from you!
I will see whether my mother-in-law has still some information.
The "mystery" about Lester is that he actually was murdered. So my
mother-in-law actually never met him.
Unless someone gets lucky and finds him in the 1900 census with his parents, we may
have exhausted what census searches can do here. I'll try to come up with other ideas
and I hope that others here will do likewise.
Bob
-
Guenter Dannoritzer
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Robert Heiling wrote:
[snip]
Thanks Bob, I appreciate the help. I might go and order the official
death certificate.
Guenter
[snip]
Unless someone gets lucky and finds him in the 1900 census with his parents, we may
have exhausted what census searches can do here. I'll try to come up with other ideas
and I hope that others here will do likewise.
Bob
Thanks Bob, I appreciate the help. I might go and order the official
death certificate.
Guenter
-
Robert Heiling
Re: 1884 Texas, Lester Samual Horn
Guenter Dannoritzer wrote:
Have you tried any of the message boards? Even if the people don't have your Lester in
their tree, they may have seen him in the course of their Horn searches. Here are 2 to try:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/horn/
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board ... names.horn
Here's an article about the origin of Horn. Just be careful what you believe.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/hornrb.htm
MfG
Bob
Robert Heiling wrote:
[snip]
Unless someone gets lucky and finds him in the 1900 census with his parents, we may
have exhausted what census searches can do here. I'll try to come up with other ideas
and I hope that others here will do likewise.
Bob
Thanks Bob, I appreciate the help. I might go and order the official
death certificate.
Have you tried any of the message boards? Even if the people don't have your Lester in
their tree, they may have seen him in the course of their Horn searches. Here are 2 to try:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/horn/
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board ... names.horn
Here's an article about the origin of Horn. Just be careful what you believe.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/hornrb.htm
MfG
Bob