From New York to Detroit

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James A. Doemer

From New York to Detroit

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 27 nov 2004 21:10:32

If one were travelling from New York to Detroit, what would be the usual
mode of transportation in 1852?

Gerrit Schippers

Re: From New York to Detroit

Legg inn av Gerrit Schippers » 27 nov 2004 23:58:33

James A. Doemer <jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote:

If one were travelling from New York to Detroit, what would be the usual
mode of transportation in 1852?

I found the following in book written by Ed. Prins:

"People in the County of Bentheim went on March 25, 1847 to Rotterdam,
from which port they boarded the ship "Antoinette Marie" on April 4, and
on May 23 they arrived in New York, after a voyage of 49 days.

In this group were
Father Rutgers and family, Steven Lucas and family, Arend J. Neerken,
Geert Henveld, Jan H. Lemmen, Hendrik Brinkman and family, Father
Klomparens and Jan Klomparens, D. Zaalmink and wife, Geert Zaalmink and
family, Jennigje Meyer, Lambert Tinholt and family, Lucas Tinholt, L.
Kropschot and family, Gerrit Bouws, Kaspel LaHuis, and G. Ferks.

To this group were joined from the province of Drenthe in the
Netherlands Father Hunderman with his son Klaas, B. Ter Haar and wife,
Stokking and wife, Hendrikus and H. Strabbing, Hendrik Hofmeyer and
family.
They were in New York, after having spent 49 days on the great waters,
and yet the trip was not ended. Yes, in a certain sense the privations
started now for the first time.
Partly because it was cheaper, and partly because rail service to
Holland was not yet available, it was decided to travel on boats. They
went from New York along the Hudson River to Troy, and from Troy with
canal boat to Buffalo. The trip on the canal boat has been especially
well remembered by the older persons. From Buffalo they went on Lake
Erie to Detroit, from Detroit on Lake Huron to Mackinac City, and from
there on Lake Michigan to Holland.
Finally, on June 20, 1847, after many privations and suffering, they
reached their destination. What a trip! They were happy and grateful
for the Lord's providence in allowing them to reach the place about
which so much had been said and for which they had eagerly longed."

They settled in Graafschap/ MI.

Gerrit

James A. Doemer

Re: From New York to Detroit

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 28 nov 2004 01:35:01

Gerrit Schippers <gschippers@t-online.de> wrote:
James A. Doemer <jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote:

If one were travelling from New York to Detroit, what would be the
usual mode of transportation in 1852?

I found the following in book written by Ed. Prins:

"People in the County of Bentheim went on March 25, 1847 to Rotterdam,
from which port they boarded the ship "Antoinette Marie" on April 4,
and on May 23 they arrived in New York, after a voyage of 49 days.

In this group were
Father Rutgers and family, Steven Lucas and family, Arend J. Neerken,
Geert Henveld, Jan H. Lemmen, Hendrik Brinkman and family, Father
Klomparens and Jan Klomparens, D. Zaalmink and wife, Geert Zaalmink
and family, Jennigje Meyer, Lambert Tinholt and family, Lucas
Tinholt, L. Kropschot and family, Gerrit Bouws, Kaspel LaHuis, and G.
Ferks.

To this group were joined from the province of Drenthe in the
Netherlands Father Hunderman with his son Klaas, B. Ter Haar and wife,
Stokking and wife, Hendrikus and H. Strabbing, Hendrik Hofmeyer and
family.
They were in New York, after having spent 49 days on the great waters,
and yet the trip was not ended. Yes, in a certain sense the
privations started now for the first time.
Partly because it was cheaper, and partly because rail service to
Holland was not yet available, it was decided to travel on boats.
They went from New York along the Hudson River to Troy, and from Troy
with canal boat to Buffalo. The trip on the canal boat has been
especially well remembered by the older persons. From Buffalo they
went on Lake Erie to Detroit, from Detroit on Lake Huron to Mackinac
City, and from there on Lake Michigan to Holland.
Finally, on June 20, 1847, after many privations and suffering, they
reached their destination. What a trip! They were happy and grateful
for the Lord's providence in allowing them to reach the place about
which so much had been said and for which they had eagerly longed."

They settled in Graafschap/ MI.

Gerrit

Thanks Gerrit, that's interesting and informative.

Brendan R. Wehrung

Re: From New York to Detroit

Legg inn av Brendan R. Wehrung » 28 nov 2004 06:30:51

My father's German ancestors who arrived in 1847 also were supposed to
have traveled via the Erie Canal. They settled near Monroe, MI.

Wasn't this just about the end of the Erie Canal's busy period?
Railroads. which were to play such a pivitol part in the Civil War, were
being feverishly built asll over what we now call the Midwest. I wanted
to know how another ancestor wound up in Ionia Co. There was a new road
in 1850 from London, Ontario to Sarnia (across from Port Huron, MI) and in
1865, when they left Flushing in Genessee Co., the relatively new Per
Marquette line that in Kiddville, where his brother then lived. I always
ask about contemporary maps when I trace an ancestor on the move, because
a network of roads can answer many questions.

Brendan



Gerrit Schippers (gschippers@t-online.de) writes:
James A. Doemer <jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote:

If one were travelling from New York to Detroit, what would be the usual
mode of transportation in 1852?

I found the following in book written by Ed. Prins:

"People in the County of Bentheim went on March 25, 1847 to Rotterdam,
from which port they boarded the ship "Antoinette Marie" on April 4, and
on May 23 they arrived in New York, after a voyage of 49 days.

In this group were
Father Rutgers and family, Steven Lucas and family, Arend J. Neerken,
Geert Henveld, Jan H. Lemmen, Hendrik Brinkman and family, Father
Klomparens and Jan Klomparens, D. Zaalmink and wife, Geert Zaalmink and
family, Jennigje Meyer, Lambert Tinholt and family, Lucas Tinholt, L.
Kropschot and family, Gerrit Bouws, Kaspel LaHuis, and G. Ferks.

To this group were joined from the province of Drenthe in the
Netherlands Father Hunderman with his son Klaas, B. Ter Haar and wife,
Stokking and wife, Hendrikus and H. Strabbing, Hendrik Hofmeyer and
family.
They were in New York, after having spent 49 days on the great waters,
and yet the trip was not ended. Yes, in a certain sense the privations
started now for the first time.
Partly because it was cheaper, and partly because rail service to
Holland was not yet available, it was decided to travel on boats. They
went from New York along the Hudson River to Troy, and from Troy with
canal boat to Buffalo. The trip on the canal boat has been especially
well remembered by the older persons. From Buffalo they went on Lake
Erie to Detroit, from Detroit on Lake Huron to Mackinac City, and from
there on Lake Michigan to Holland.
Finally, on June 20, 1847, after many privations and suffering, they
reached their destination. What a trip! They were happy and grateful
for the Lord's providence in allowing them to reach the place about
which so much had been said and for which they had eagerly longed."

They settled in Graafschap/ MI.

Gerrit




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Dan

Re: From New York to Detroit

Legg inn av Dan » 28 nov 2004 15:52:24

"James A. Doemer" <jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:Ya5qd.1843$6K5.1690@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:

If one were travelling from New York to Detroit, what would be the
usual mode of transportation in 1852?



Hello;

I know this is 20 years before your timeframe, but when my ancestors
came to the Detroit area from New York, they went by horse and buggy
through Canada. I presume that could still have been a viable venue
in the 1850's also.

Good luck,

Dan Harriman
Orange, Texas

Bruce Remick

Re: From New York to Detroit

Legg inn av Bruce Remick » 28 nov 2004 15:55:28

"Gerrit Schippers" <gschippers@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:1gnxoin.e3vc9l1oqrhiyN%gschippers@t-online.de...
James A. Doemer <jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote:

If one were travelling from New York to Detroit, what would be the usual
mode of transportation in 1852?

I found the following in book written by Ed. Prins:

"People in the County of Bentheim went on March 25, 1847 to Rotterdam,
from which port they boarded the ship "Antoinette Marie" on April 4, and
on May 23 they arrived in New York, after a voyage of 49 days.

In this group were
Father Rutgers and family, Steven Lucas and family, Arend J. Neerken,
Geert Henveld, Jan H. Lemmen, Hendrik Brinkman and family, Father
Klomparens and Jan Klomparens, D. Zaalmink and wife, Geert Zaalmink and
family, Jennigje Meyer, Lambert Tinholt and family, Lucas Tinholt, L.
Kropschot and family, Gerrit Bouws, Kaspel LaHuis, and G. Ferks.

To this group were joined from the province of Drenthe in the
Netherlands Father Hunderman with his son Klaas, B. Ter Haar and wife,
Stokking and wife, Hendrikus and H. Strabbing, Hendrik Hofmeyer and
family.
They were in New York, after having spent 49 days on the great waters,
and yet the trip was not ended. Yes, in a certain sense the privations
started now for the first time.
Partly because it was cheaper, and partly because rail service to
Holland was not yet available, it was decided to travel on boats. They
went from New York along the Hudson River to Troy, and from Troy with
canal boat to Buffalo. The trip on the canal boat has been especially
well remembered by the older persons. From Buffalo they went on Lake
Erie to Detroit, from Detroit on Lake Huron to Mackinac City, and from
there on Lake Michigan to Holland.
Finally, on June 20, 1847, after many privations and suffering, they
reached their destination. What a trip! They were happy and grateful
for the Lord's providence in allowing them to reach the place about
which so much had been said and for which they had eagerly longed."

They settled in Graafschap/ MI.


I find accounts like this fascinating. They "humanize" our ancestors,
putting their activities and struggles in a perspective we can better
identify with. I have my gg/grandfather's 1859 diary/ledger in which he
describes his rail travel from Portland, ME to La Crosse, WI via Detroit.
(a flight of less than two hours today)

2 Mar 1859- Left my home this afternoon at 1 PM and arrived at Island Pond
at 7:45 PM. Remained all night.

3 Mar - Started this morning at 8:45 AM for Montreal where I arrived
at 4:30 PM. Started from here at 5:30 PM for Toronto.

4 Mar - Arrived at Toronto at 10:30 Toronto time. As the cars passed
the jail the passengers saw from the windows two men hanging by their necks
who had just been executed........ Started from here for Windsor at 1:30 PM.

5 Mar - We arrived at Detroit at ten last evening and started
immediately for Chicago where we arrived at 10:30 this morning. We left
this place at 1:30 PM for La Crosse via Milwaukee.

6 Mar - I arrived at La Crosse this morning at 5 o'clock. Took up
quarters at the Augusta House.......


I transcribed this entire diary into a report on the computer,
inserting maps, photos, etc where they would be appropriate. At the end, I
also added a section showing the types of coins, currency, and stamps that
would likely have been encountered in Portland, ME in 1859, as well as some
events and personalities in the US and rest of the world that year. (e.g.
Buchanan was president. "Billy the Kid" born. First intercollegiate
baseball game played in US.) I made copies and passed them out to
relatives. The kids, especially, seemed to find it interesting.

Bruce

James A. Doemer

Re: From New York to Detroit

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 28 nov 2004 16:33:03

Dan <kc5gxl32@ih2000.net> wrote:
"James A. Doemer" <jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:Ya5qd.1843$6K5.1690@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:


If one were travelling from New York to Detroit, what would be the
usual mode of transportation in 1852?



Hello;

I know this is 20 years before your timeframe, but when my ancestors
came to the Detroit area from New York, they went by horse and buggy
through Canada. I presume that could still have been a viable venue
in the 1850's also.

Good luck,

Dan Harriman
Orange, Texas

That is a thought... But I don't think that is what happened in my
family's case. A horse and buggy would have been expensive and hard to come
by for an immigrant fresh off the boat in 1852.

Harry Dodsworth

Re: From New York to Detroit

Legg inn av Harry Dodsworth » 29 nov 2004 04:16:43

"James A. Doemer" posted:
If one were travelling from New York to Detroit, what would be the
usual mode of transportation in 1852?

1852 makes this a very difficult question and I would have to research
it to give a definite answer.
Earlier the water route (Hudson River, Erie Canal, Lake Erie) would
have been most likely. However I think the Erie Railroad from New York
to Erie, Pa was open in 1852 but from Erie to Detroit would have been
a voyage by lake steamer. I also think Buffalo could have been reached
by rail from New York via Albany but again a steamboat on Lake Erie.
The railroad south of Lake Erie (Buffalo to Cleveland) was only opened
in 1853 after pitched battles at Erie between Pennsyvania interests
who wanted to keep Erie as a transhipment point between rail and water,
and New York interests who wanted to connect Buffalo to the west with
a standard gauge railroad (the Erie RR was wide gauge).

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Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca
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James A. Doemer

Re: From New York to Detroit

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 29 nov 2004 04:25:25

Harry Dodsworth <af877@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
"James A. Doemer" posted:
If one were travelling from New York to Detroit, what would be the
usual mode of transportation in 1852?

1852 makes this a very difficult question and I would have to
research it to give a definite answer.
Earlier the water route (Hudson River, Erie Canal, Lake Erie) would
have been most likely. However I think the Erie Railroad from New York
to Erie, Pa was open in 1852 but from Erie to Detroit would have been
a voyage by lake steamer. I also think Buffalo could have been reached
by rail from New York via Albany but again a steamboat on Lake Erie.
The railroad south of Lake Erie (Buffalo to Cleveland) was only
opened in 1853 after pitched battles at Erie between Pennsyvania
interests
who wanted to keep Erie as a transhipment point between rail and
water, and New York interests who wanted to connect Buffalo to the
west with
a standard gauge railroad (the Erie RR was wide gauge).

Okay... That sounds interesting. Is there someplace where they keep the
passenger lists for the RR and Steamboat jouneys?

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