simple definition - ancestor

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Ennc

simple definition - ancestor

Legg inn av Ennc » 17 nov 2004 18:38:24

Hi,

I have looked up "ancestor" and thought I was reading it correctly that they
are the straight ladder up our tree. For instance 3 x gr grandparents are
our ancestors ... 4 x gr grandparents are our ancestors, 5 ... and so on.
But another genealogist just told me today that the siblings of our 5 gr
grandparents would also be our ancestors as well. Is this true? If so I
have been wrong all these years. Any thoughts on this???? Thanks, Nancy

Jeanne Connell

Re: simple definition - ancestor

Legg inn av Jeanne Connell » 17 nov 2004 19:27:49

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:38:24 -0500, "Ennc"
<nancyandgene65@nospamcomcast.net> wrote:

Hi,

I have looked up "ancestor" and thought I was reading it correctly that they
are the straight ladder up our tree. For instance 3 x gr grandparents are
our ancestors ... 4 x gr grandparents are our ancestors, 5 ... and so on.
But another genealogist just told me today that the siblings of our 5 gr
grandparents would also be our ancestors as well. Is this true? If so I
have been wrong all these years. Any thoughts on this???? Thanks, Nancy



I would consider them ancestors, too. And if you want to be specific
about your gr grandparents (whatever x they are) you could say "direct
ancestor" the same as you say "direct descendent". But that's just
my 2 cents. (smile)

Jeanne

Huntersglenn

Re: simple definition - ancestor

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 17 nov 2004 19:37:36

From what I've seen in dictionaries and genealogy, your ancestor is as
you described. Your 'ancestry' though, could very well include the
siblings of your ancestors. The siblings of my 5 gr grandparents didn't
contribute anything to my gene pool, even though they share(d) some of
the same genes as my 5 gr grandparents. Oh, wait, that's not exactly
true (g). I am my own cousin (many times removed) because the
grandchildren of one of my gr grandfathers married one another.

Take care,

Cathy Roberts

Ennc wrote:

Hi,

I have looked up "ancestor" and thought I was reading it correctly that they
are the straight ladder up our tree. For instance 3 x gr grandparents are
our ancestors ... 4 x gr grandparents are our ancestors, 5 ... and so on.
But another genealogist just told me today that the siblings of our 5 gr
grandparents would also be our ancestors as well. Is this true? If so I
have been wrong all these years. Any thoughts on this???? Thanks, Nancy


Dave Hinz

Re: simple definition - ancestor

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 17 nov 2004 19:38:57

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:27:49 -0500, Jeanne Connell <siobhanabu@rcn.com> wrote:
I would consider them ancestors, too. And if you want to be specific
about your gr grandparents (whatever x they are) you could say "direct
ancestor" the same as you say "direct descendent". But that's just
my 2 cents. (smile)

Well, I consider them "family", but not "ancestors". Far as I know,
the definition of ancestor is someone who has given you genetic
material. Siblings (and adoptive parents) are Family, but not Ancestors.

Dave Hinz

Ennc

Re: simple definition - ancestor

Legg inn av Ennc » 17 nov 2004 22:27:15

Then here is the 6 million dollar question. Can you get into the DAR if
your ancestor's sibling was in the Rev War? Nancy

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:QPMmd.50$D26.25@lakeread03...
From what I've seen in dictionaries and genealogy, your ancestor is as
you described. Your 'ancestry' though, could very well include the
siblings of your ancestors. The siblings of my 5 gr grandparents didn't
contribute anything to my gene pool, even though they share(d) some of
the same genes as my 5 gr grandparents. Oh, wait, that's not exactly
true (g). I am my own cousin (many times removed) because the
grandchildren of one of my gr grandfathers married one another.

Take care,

Cathy Roberts

Ennc wrote:

Hi,

I have looked up "ancestor" and thought I was reading it correctly that
they
are the straight ladder up our tree. For instance 3 x gr grandparents
are
our ancestors ... 4 x gr grandparents are our ancestors, 5 ... and so
on.
But another genealogist just told me today that the siblings of our 5 gr
grandparents would also be our ancestors as well. Is this true? If so
I
have been wrong all these years. Any thoughts on this???? Thanks,
Nancy



Ron

Re: simple definition - ancestor

Legg inn av Ron » 17 nov 2004 23:24:39

Yes my dictionary gives
"Someone from whom you are descended (but usually more remote than a
grandparent)"

But I sometimes use the plural Ancestors to "loosely" refer to their
siblings etc
Of course if asking a question about "my ancestor" you should be
referring to actual direct descent

--
Ron Lankshear - Sydney Aust (from London- Shepherds Bush & Chiswick)
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/

James A. Doemer

Re: simple definition - ancestor

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 18 nov 2004 00:02:47

Ennc <nancyandgene65@nospamcomcast.net> wrote:
Hi,

I have looked up "ancestor" and thought I was reading it correctly
that they are the straight ladder up our tree. For instance 3 x gr
grandparents are our ancestors ... 4 x gr grandparents are our
ancestors, 5 ... and so on. But another genealogist just told me
today that the siblings of our 5 gr grandparents would also be our
ancestors as well. Is this true? If so I have been wrong all these
years. Any thoughts on this???? Thanks, Nancy

There are ancestors, descendants, and contemporaries. A contemporary of
your gr x 5 grandparents, say a brother or sister, would also be considered
your ancestors, although not "direct line" ancestors. Here is, however,
the double standard... The gr x 5 descendant of your brother is not
generally considered your descendant... This was once explained to me in
greater detail by a guy that did genealogical research professionally, most
of it was pretty confusing.

Ennc

Re: simple definition - ancestor

Legg inn av Ennc » 18 nov 2004 01:04:34

"James A. Doemer" <jdjunkmail@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Ennc <nancyandgene65@nospamcomcast.net> wrote:
Hi,

I have looked up "ancestor" and thought I was reading it correctly
that they are the straight ladder up our tree. For instance 3 x gr
grandparents are our ancestors ... 4 x gr grandparents are our
ancestors, 5 ... and so on. But another genealogist just told me
today that the siblings of our 5 gr grandparents would also be our
ancestors as well. Is this true? If so I have been wrong all these
years. Any thoughts on this???? Thanks, Nancy

There are ancestors, descendants, and contemporaries. A contemporary of
your gr x 5 grandparents, say a brother or sister, would also be
considered
your ancestors, although not "direct line" ancestors. Here is, however,
the double standard... The gr x 5 descendant of your brother is not
generally considered your descendant... This was once explained to me in
greater detail by a guy that did genealogical research professionally,
most
of it was pretty confusing.


Well, that pretty well clears it up. Thanks all.

Huntersglenn

Re: simple definition - ancestor (DAR)

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 18 nov 2004 01:27:09

According to the website for DAR (http://www.dar.org/default.cfm), the
answer is no. You must be a lineal, blood line descendent from the
person who you're trying to claim membership through:

"Any woman is eligible for membership who is no less than eighteen years
of age and can prove lineal, blood line descent from an ancestor who
aided in achieving American independence. She must provide documentation
for each statement of birth, marriage, and death."

Hope that helps,

Cathy


Ennc wrote:
Then here is the 6 million dollar question. Can you get into the DAR if
your ancestor's sibling was in the Rev War? Nancy

Bonnie Bunce

Re: simple definition - ancestor

Legg inn av Bonnie Bunce » 18 nov 2004 03:15:25

"Ennc" <nancyandgene65@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:wbGdnSs8kOP7EQbcRVn-qw@comcast.com...
Hi,

I have looked up "ancestor" and thought I was reading it correctly that
they
are the straight ladder up our tree. For instance 3 x gr grandparents are
our ancestors ... 4 x gr grandparents are our ancestors, 5 ... and so on.
But another genealogist just told me today that the siblings of our 5 gr
grandparents would also be our ancestors as well. Is this true? If so I
have been wrong all these years. Any thoughts on this???? Thanks, Nancy

I've heard of the siblings of my direct ancestors being referred to
as "collateral" ancestors, meaning apparently that if you can find
information about a sibling it will take you back to an earlier generation,
just as if you were following information on a direct ancestor. My
Webster's dictionary defines the word "collateral" as "parallel in time,
rank, importance, etc. corresponding." That seems to match what I've heard
about "collateral" ancestors. That is why it is important to learn as much
about siblings of your ancestors, because sometimes there is more
information available for them than for your direct ancestor. Hope this
helps. bb

Jane

Re: simple definition - ancestor (DAR)

Legg inn av Jane » 18 nov 2004 03:27:21

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:yXRmd.71$D26.51@lakeread03...
According to the website for DAR (http://www.dar.org/default.cfm), the
answer is no. You must be a lineal, blood line descendent from the
person who you're trying to claim membership through:

"Any woman is eligible for membership who is no less than eighteen years
of age and can prove lineal, blood line descent from an ancestor who
aided in achieving American independence. She must provide documentation
for each statement of birth, marriage, and death."

Hope that helps,

Cathy


Ennc wrote:
Then here is the 6 million dollar question. Can you get into the DAR if
your ancestor's sibling was in the Rev War? Nancy


Oh, shucks, this means I cannot join.

I have lots of direct ancestors who fought in the revolutionary war, but I
doubt if you could describe them as having aided American indepence.

In Canada, we call them United Empire Loyalists. :-)

Jane

Lesley Robertson

Re: simple definition - ancestor

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 18 nov 2004 10:33:23

"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:301k61F2q4htnU1@uni-berlin.de...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:27:49 -0500, Jeanne Connell <siobhanabu@rcn.com
wrote:

I would consider them ancestors, too. And if you want to be specific
about your gr grandparents (whatever x they are) you could say "direct
ancestor" the same as you say "direct descendent". But that's just
my 2 cents. (smile)

Well, I consider them "family", but not "ancestors". Far as I know,
the definition of ancestor is someone who has given you genetic
material. Siblings (and adoptive parents) are Family, but not Ancestors.

Dave Hinz

Yes, I'd agree. Simply put, if the word "parent" occurs in their

relationship to you, they're an ancestor. Other relations are family - you
don't descend from them.
Lesley Robertson

Nearl J Icarus

Re: simple definition - ancestor (DAR)

Legg inn av Nearl J Icarus » 09 des 2004 11:16:34

In article <yXRmd.71$D26.51@lakeread03>, huntersglenn@cox.net says...

aided in achieving American independence. She must provide documentation
for each statement of birth, marriage, and death."

I wonder how hard that would be. The first Mc Mindes over in this country was
in the New Jersey militia. His father-in-law was as well.

Huntersglenn

Re: simple definition - ancestor (DAR)

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 09 des 2004 17:57:39

Huntersglenn wrote:
According to the website for DAR (http://www.dar.org/default.cfm), the
answer is no. You must be a lineal, blood line descendent from the
person who you're trying to claim membership through:

"Any woman is eligible for membership who is no less than eighteen years
of age and can prove lineal, blood line descent from an ancestor who
aided in achieving American independence. She must provide documentation
for each statement of birth, marriage, and death."

Hope that helps,

Cathy


Ennc wrote:

Then here is the 6 million dollar question. Can you get into the DAR if
your ancestor's sibling was in the Rev War? Nancy


Huntersglenn

Re: simple definition - ancestor (DAR)

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 09 des 2004 17:58:58

Nearl J Icarus wrote:
In article <yXRmd.71$D26.51@lakeread03>, huntersglenn@cox.net says...


aided in achieving American independence. She must provide documentation
for each statement of birth, marriage, and death."


I wonder how hard that would be. The first Mc Mindes over in this country was
in the New Jersey militia. His father-in-law was as well.


The DAR site has instructions for completing the application and
acceptable sources are listed:

http://www.dar.org/darnet/forms/RGG-1000.pdf

Cathy

singhals

Re: simple definition - ancestor

Legg inn av singhals » 09 des 2004 22:07:05

No, you cannot. DAR requires a direct lineal ancestor, not a
collateral. Daughters of the Confederacy permits collateral ancestry,
though.

Cheryl

Ennc wrote:

Then here is the 6 million dollar question. Can you get into the DAR if
your ancestor's sibling was in the Rev War? Nancy

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:QPMmd.50$D26.25@lakeread03...

From what I've seen in dictionaries and genealogy, your ancestor is as
you described. Your 'ancestry' though, could very well include the
siblings of your ancestors. The siblings of my 5 gr grandparents didn't
contribute anything to my gene pool, even though they share(d) some of
the same genes as my 5 gr grandparents. Oh, wait, that's not exactly
true (g). I am my own cousin (many times removed) because the
grandchildren of one of my gr grandfathers married one another.

Take care,

Cathy Roberts

Ennc wrote:


Hi,

I have looked up "ancestor" and thought I was reading it correctly that

they

are the straight ladder up our tree. For instance 3 x gr grandparents

are

our ancestors ... 4 x gr grandparents are our ancestors, 5 ... and so

on.

But another genealogist just told me today that the siblings of our 5 gr
grandparents would also be our ancestors as well. Is this true? If so

I

have been wrong all these years. Any thoughts on this???? Thanks,

Nancy




Bonnie Bunce

Re: simple definition - ancestor

Legg inn av Bonnie Bunce » 16 des 2004 20:53:32

The DAR has a website at http://www.dar.org/natsociety/default.cfm
where you can find an answer to your question. bb

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Then here is the 6 million dollar question. Can you get into the DAR if
your ancestor's sibling was in the Rev War? Nancy

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